yeah, it feels good to live in a place where I like the house itself and where I also get along well with people that are renting from and I can afford it just like a lot of things come together to make it a hot for me, so


not yet,


no intention to leave, I don't ask you,


that's good, that's always a situation that you want to get in. Especially like here in California, it's hard to sign a good landlord because there's just such demand to live here, even if you have


and


a nice one in the beginning, you know the desire to make more money always creeps up at some point than


yeah, yeah, I'm just mute my phone, sorry, I've got a couple of new education is going off that I don't want to bother me. Yeah, you know I have a friend who lived up in Portland Oregon for a while and he was saying very much the same thing that even if you find a good place after one year when it comes time to sign your release again, the landlord wants to check the rent so much that you essentially get forced out and it doesn't matter where you go like that's what's happening everywhere because the the price of housing is just going up in all the neighborhoods of the city.


yep. And I know there was a big migration of people from California to Oregon and so I think like the price of Portland probably skyrocketed to close to California


The


prices in the last like 10 years. Mhm.


Mhm. Yeah, that's, wow, okay. Yeah.


trendy to live out here.


Yeah. Well do you at least get to have fun with it?


I do, I do that. I mean that's why I commute so far to work because I just love being here. I don't because I don't I'm not really like a a city person, I went to college in san Francisco but I quickly learn like I didn't actually ever want to live there because it's so overwhelming. But the nice thing about northern California versus southern California is we don't have all the traffic, like we have some traffic like don't get me wrong, but you drive an hour out here and you're in a totally like different area and like so much open space. And if you like hiking, this is a great place to be um clean air, you're by the water. So there's a lot of perks uh being here and I'm close enough to san Francisco where I can go visit whenever I want. You know that happened to live there. I'm

Mhm. Mhm. Sure, Sure. Right. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Sure. Yeah. Yeah.


That's so funny.


big on going to concerts, although I don't know when that's going to happen. All right.


I know, yeah.


our governor is like really strict or I mean I all the other states are going to open in California is gonna be dragging way. So I don't know when those will come back, but that was like my favorite activity. So I'm like in a really, I feel thought to go to like all the concerts in northern California. Sure off.


who are some of your favorite musicians?


Uh I'm like an undercover metal head. So yeah, I like a like slayer system of a down. Um I liked some new battle nu metal bands to like slipknot or disturbed stuff like that. Um Now I'm like blanking. Um Let me, who was I let me think who I was gonna see this year. I was gonna see death tones and Gojira over the summer, but that was cancelled. So


Yeah, I wonder if they somehow matched us together based on metal that's totally music.


don't you? I don't know.


that's unbelievable. Yeah, man, some of the deftones show us they've been putting on a day to day lives deftones and stuff like that, like they've really been getting some interesting bills together recently. Yeah.


Yeah, so deftones are actually from Sacramento which is like just a few hours from san Francisco. So I think they boycotted this area for a really long time. I want to say someone like spit in the lead singer space or something


and


like that. Maybe that


go out.


band, but something happened where like the deftones salt really insulted even though this is like their home town. I think it's only in like the last like five years or so that they've been like torn here. And when we have uh a pretty big festival in Sacramento every year called Aftershock. They're saying it's still going to happen this year. I don't know Metallica supposed to headline two nights and I've never

Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh, mm. Mhm. Yeah.


One.


seen Metallica, so I so stoked um I really hope that it happens. Um but deftones will play that festival a lot. They'll usually headline because that is literally their hometown sacramento. So we love them here, like we're please coming back.

Uh huh. Yeah, wow. Yeah. Right, right, mm.


Oh that's fantastic. Oh before I forget, have you heard of a band called Low from


Well,


England? Low of


no, I have not already thought down though.


serious death tone vibes from them? There there are five piece I think from England and in february they dropped an album um album's kind of long name, it's um I let it in and it took everything is the name of the album and there are there are spots on it that are like so close to death tones that it feels it came a little close on my rip off radar. Yeah. But um but it just barely didn't


What?


cross the line because


I could see that they were doing their own thing with it and I think they're self conscious of the fact, I think they're trying to sort of pay homage to deftones without, because


that


the whole album is very diverse. I think if you, if you check it out, you'll see what I mean. There are parts where you're gonna go like, oh yeah, this is totally like um if you think of some of the very heavy but spacey, atmospheric, slow parts of deftones songs. Trying to think of a good example, like maybe like Minerva to off of the self titled album, the one with the Skull and the Roses on it, um just like super chill but heavy and spacey and like airy, floaty. Um There are some passages like that on the lowest album that reminded me of them, but like, they they rip it up, they're really cool.


stop.


I think you would, you bet you're going to try them. Yeah.


Oh, that's so cool. I'm glad we're having this conversation because there's nothing else to really do right now,


I know,


Listen to.


you know. Mhm.


So do you go to a lot of concerts where you are? Do they have them out there?


Well, so Connecticut's weird Connecticut is right in between new york and boston. And so in a lot of ways we kind of get passed over because bigger acts will put on a show in each of those big cities, but they don't want to over saturate the market up here, so not a lot of major acts make pit stops in Connecticut. Um and right, there's also like I there's another thing going on where I wonder sometimes if either people in the promotion industry or shady businessman or something like that have actively fought to keep big acts from coming to Connecticut so that they wouldn't water down the market or water down the attendance at the boston in new york shows, just get nervous. There are, there are a couple of venues over the decades that I've heard kind of started to bubble up and start getting some of those bigger act and something mysterious always seems to happen. There seems to be a fire or there seems to be a sudden change in management or something like that where all of a sudden that then you kind of loses the momentum. It seemed to be gaming.


how


And it's like this,


is he?


like this mysterious pattern. Um, part of the reason I saw that was, I don't do it anymore, but for seven years I wrote the local music column for the alternative weekly newspaper here. So it was, it was pretty neat. It was an interesting gig. So I used to go to two concerts every week.


Oh my gosh, that's like my dream job.


Mm It, I'll tell you it's, it's a double edged sword because I started doing it because I was going to concerts all the time and I was like, somebody will pay me to write what I probably was going to email my friends about or like write in my journal, like hell yeah, I'll do that. Um, but when you take something that you love and you turn it into your job, it sucks a little of a magic out of it, you know? Um


it's hard.


And


A lot of concerts like a week because I feel like in the last couple years because there were so many farewell shows, I really was just going to like everyone that was coming through a


he.


lot. We get everyone here. There's some weeks. I was going to two or three like major concerts, like traveling over an hour to get there and I was just like for so I could see, I could see like literally having to go and then like doing work, you know, I get tiring because yeah.


Yeah. You get burned out being like by yourself in the car, coming home at like two a.m. You get burned out like waiting for the 45 minute or hour between sets, you know? Like, and especially if you're trying to review bands that are new to you. Then over and over, you end up in a venue or a basement or a scene where you don't know anybody. And um I'm I'm friendly but I don't have the easiest time like making small talk or breaking into a conversation or just like making a random new friend and like eventually it just gets really boring to sit there like you're sipping your beer as slowly as you can, going, okay, come on, next band, come on. Um and this was when I was doing it to, it was before smartphones, so I didn't really have anything substantial to occupy my time in that downtime. Um and you kind of can't bring a book with you and into the bars or into the basement of the punk house. So yeah,


one


so


time


things


I was seeing slower um and I was taking my final, it was the week I take my final exam for my Master's degree and everyone else like thought because I haven't traveled to the school because I did an online program, but I had to go in person to take the final. So it was like an hour and a half, like backtrack like maybe it was only an hour back to san Francisco to like see slayer, but it was like my finals week. So everyone else is like freaking the fuck out. Like how can you go to a concert? Like your master's degree? Like rides on this exam. I was like, I got it, it's slayer. Like I'm not making them actually brought my notes with me and I was studying in between set mhm


yeah. That


can


somebody seen.


be done and I've done it and I like telling the story because I was one of the only people that not only passed, like all those people that stayed behind the study failed and didn't get their degrees, I passed with honest. It was so funny because the gardener at the school, it comes up to me and my shirt the next day and he's like, he likes layers, like yeah, he's like, I'm like one of jerry Holtz good friends, like I I threw his wedding and stuff and like yeah, so mhm


why? That's dedication?


Uh huh uh huh But I couldn't imagine not having a smartphone though like because I'm I'm not really, I can't come off as outgoing, but I have to be like introduced to people or afternoon someone, so I couldn't imagine going to like a punk house. We've got lots of them out here like in Oakland um and like having to like sit around, I would be so uncomfortable. Yeah.


Yeah. It could be challenging. It can be challenging at times. Um Another weird thing was, you know, I was going to all these concerts and I was writing these columns and then I would, you know, so I go out during the week and on the weekend, and then on monday is when I would file my column, so the paper would come out on Wednesday. And so, like, Wednesday leading up to the weekend, all these people were reading about the concert that had already happened. And so, like, I could maybe write about, like, the IT band or a band that had just released an album and try and drive people to like, their next gig, or say, at the end of the column, you know, this coming weekend, they're playing at this place or whatever, but, like, it kind of felt like I was not helping connect interested people to interesting bands, you know? So, like, in the final couple years of my column, I finally convinced my editor instead of reviewing the live shows, to, like, let me interview the bands, like, let's do let's front loaded, and I'll talk to the band about their new album in advance of the show, so that when the paper drops on Wednesday, people can go and see the show on friday night feeling like, you know, a little more about the band and feeling like they picked out like, okay, this band plays a kind of music that I like and I went online, I listened to a couple extremely couple songs I'm into it. It's worth the 10 bucks, you know, let's go for it.


No.


Uh huh. So that that felt good that I finally sort of I had to push him a lot to change the column that way. Uh huh But that was a that was a cool change and it meant that I didn't have to go out as much anymore. Go ahead. But it was writing for a newspaper and all the newspapers started to fold. This was I finished writing for them, I want to see maybe in like 2012, something like that. And just all the little newspapers were starting to plummet because there isn't really any advertising money to cover local based coverage anymore, you know? So yeah, I kind of saw the writing on the wall when they started going like, okay, we want you to write a bigger column for the same day and we want you to start writing like three blog posts a week and getting photos for the blog for the same pay. And I was like, oh boy, I'm getting a bad feeling about where your finances are going based on these questions. So ended up splitting off. But yeah, it was a, it was a weird and wild gig. It was pretty interesting.


well I'm sure it was interesting for a while. At least you like had that experience while there's still more newspapers because yeah, everything's a blog now.


Yeah, yeah, and writing doesn't, doesn't pay anymore. Like the, I mean, not that it was, it was never enough for me to really fully stay afloat. It was enough for me to barely pay my expenses and I had to have my partner at the time helped chip in the last little bit for groceries or for this bill or for that pill every month and we made it work between the two of us, but I was never financially Solomon, they paid me as a contractor, they didn't withhold any taxes or any benefits or anything, so like every april when tax day came around I had to pay all the taxes on, on whatever they cut me. Um yeah, it wasn't like a regular wage job where they would hold part of your earnings and they chip in part of your taxes, like you have a pit bull, like basically one third of everything you are, so tax day always for um so yeah, um anyway, I'm curious what, so you were saying you went to school before but I didn't catch what your masters was,


Oh my Masters is in public health.


you know,


Yeah, so, um I


interesting news for you now. Mhm,


want to be like a health educator that hasn't happened. I actually have, I have a pretty interesting start how I got into all this because I, I wanted to be a radio DJ when I was younger, that was job I wanted to be, because we surprisingly have pretty shitty radio stations in northern California. Like, it's really hard, like, uh like in in sacramento, like where the capital is, like, there's some decent, like rock stations that play metal and stuff, but like in san Francisco, like, it really is not that great. It's all like indie or like electronic music and stuff like that. So if you're like a rocker metal head, like there's not much for you. So I wanted to do that, but then I realized there was no money in that. Like, I was not going to stay afloat in this area, like, you mean it? And job when I was in college was working at a cannabis club surprisingly, and uh I didn't use a product myself, but I kind of just got thrown into this whole world of alternative medicine where I was like, um and who knows who's paying for this research study. And I realized, you know, big pharma is doing some pretty like

mm. Right. Uh huh. Mhm Oh, mm, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Oh sure.


Focus


baby stuff. And I wanted


honey.


to like connect


What?


people back with like medicine and um what's labeled alternative, which I think is just ancient wisdom knowledge, you've, you know, made to be sound like it's crazy if you uh use it because we're relying on Medicaid, not that there isn't like a place or medication, but I think there are other options available to. So I really wanted to like bring that education um, to other people because when I was working in that industry, I kind of became an expert on CVD before it blew up, I, I left the industry like right before it blew up so I could have made a lot of money if I, if I had stuck with it. But my boss was a little shady, he went off deep end and I couldn't be involved anymore. And so I got my masters degree so I could be a health educator, but it's really hard to get in that field. And then like for me, it's hard to find something that I am feel good about because I couldn't, I couldn't just go like work at a hospital and teach the correct they have because I might not fully agree. So I actually work for the Department of Public Health right now. And so it is pretty interesting with the coronavirus. Um, I'm kind of just on standby waiting to see what my job is going to be because there's just so much stuff going on that I could just be sent anywhere. I don't know what my role is going to be right now, so

All right. Yeah, sure. Right. Oh, right. Yeah. Right. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Mhm, mm. Sure. Right, Right, right. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mm. All right. Sure.


Do you sort of have any idea of what it might transform into the like and when you say sent anywhere like could they really like send you far a field international or?


well they can't send me international. So I've been in government for a while now. And so when there is a emergency of any kind and I don't, I don't know if you heard about the northern California fires that we've had in the last few years. So those have um, those are in my area. And so like back in 2017 I had to respond to a fire. So I was just like an office worker and I get thrown into, I have to commute two hours away, all the sentence work night shift with the National Guard because we had to make a makeshift hospital at Fairgrounds. And so I somehow became the check in person technically doing security with the National Guard. Um So they can make your g they can have you do anything like you really don't want. Um

Uh huh. Yes. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Mhm, wow.


Yeah.


I think because of the the nature of what's going on right now, my role will probably be worked at home, which is really great because I wanting a work at home job


Thanks


and I just quit my job to get it. So I feel a little like guilty sometimes because I'm like, oh I actually really wanted a scenario like this, like not because of these circumstances, but I was hoping for something


then on.


this I think what I'll probably end up doing is like uh monitoring people that have contracted the virus or something like yeah probably be my role for a people of time. But I'm on standby waiting to get a new assignment. So


Yeah, wow, that's while


I used to just um so here in California, like if you, let's say you go to the hospital and you have a complaint, you would call my department and our nurses would go investigate your complaint and see if they're following the laws and things like that. So I just process the paperwork for that kind of stuff. So so yeah, so obviously all that's going to be put on cause that's the least of anyone's concerns right now. No. Yeah.

Okay. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Well,


I'm really happy that I mean this is kind of changed the world in so many ways, but I think one of the good things that might come out of this is that like now so many people have like tasted the forbidden fruit of working from home and like all the managers who are like, I don't know, I'm skeptical like they have to overcome that and like that argument is done like


And


the


what's interesting


infrastructure is in place.


is there realizing how cost effective it is too, because


No,


the state of California was actually about to buy a building which you can imagine how expensive that would be in California. We're going to buy a building so they can accommodate all the employees. And now they're like, we could save that money and put it into the coronavirus and everyone can work from home if they want to and wait and like way happier like staff now.


you know? Yeah, yeah, so now, like so many people, you know, whenever we do eventually go back to normal, whatever normal looks like at that point like so many people are going to be like, well let's make it work from home, like I want to, I want to keep doing this and they're gonna be like, no, you can come back five days a week, they're gonna be like, I think it's worth it to me to put my foot down and say like I'm going to work from home three days a week if you want to keep me, you know, and like a lot of bosses are going to have to make those tough decisions, but I feel like there's no there's no going back now. Like we've seen we can do it, we've seen that people actually show up for it and do a decent job, They're much happier, like it doesn't take a huge amount of it investment and so much of the network infrastructure and the software and stuff is gonna be there set up already that to not use it would almost be wasteful, you know, like you can save on the real estate in the office space like yeah, do it.


Many cars off the road. I mean lot


many


of,


good things.


yeah, I mean I still have to go into the office like um, like two days a week right now, but it's not so bad anymore because it's like my hour commute is like a 45 minute commute now.


sir.


It's really not that bad. And I, I actually like look more forward to going into the office now because I am working from home so much at the time and we can't really do anything on our days off right now. I mean you can go for a walk or whatever, but you can't do that much. So it's like, it's nice to go in the office and like see whoever is in that day and yeah, way better quality of life.


Yeah, that's rad. Fight for it. Fight for it when when normal comes back it


What


sounds


about


like it's


you?


working really well for you,


What do you do?


so I'm so I'm not working right now. Um I was going to start work around the end of March with the census.


I'm Oh


I have been part of the previous phase of the census where we were gathering up sort of everybody's addresses, so we know where to mail the forms to and New England in general was really on top of their address canvassing and pretty much finished the work in New England about a month ahead of schedule.


whoa


And so I had been counting on the census to provide me work for the whole period that they contracted me and it ran out this month early and I was like, oh shit! And I kind of poked and prodded my bosses, I was like, there's no work anywhere. And he was like, well actually there might be something, I'm hearing some rumblings from upstairs, like, let me check into it and it took a little bit of doing. But we learned that other places in The US, especially in the far south were very far behind on their canvassing especially because you have to travel so far between each house that it just makes the whole process slowdown to a crawl. So they ended up taking workers like me from up here in New England and flying us down to places like Louisiana texas and they sent me to Oklahoma and put me up in a hotel. Um I would never have any reason to go to Oklahoma. It's a part of America that like I've never seen before and like didn't really have any personal connection to but I was like hell yeah I want to see a different part of the U. S. And they put me up and they fed me. It took them a long long time because government but they eventually reimbursed me for my food and from a rental power and stuff like that. And yeah I stayed down there for almost a month


Where


going around


our?


seeing all this beautiful farmland and prairie land and actually some not so beautiful tiny like rural cities that were just like kind of frozen in time somewhere back in the seventies or eighties you know and just had you can just sense that like the people there have no life.


Oh my All right. Uh huh.


But yeah so I got to see this very different part of America from New England. And so I was like okay cool this is like the senses need and there was decent money to let me rack up tons of overtime like pretty much as much as I wanted to work they would pay me for. So so I signed up to come back for the next days and that was supposed to start at the end of March. And my training was natural for the very same week where all of the state governments started going, oh, I think we need to lock things down, you know? Um So all of that is postpones until who knows when at this point. So I'm still hired technically, I'll still have the job whenever things are safe again. But uh huh. Until then I've just sort of been at home doing prolific and collecting unemployment and trying to make it as long as I can between runs to the grocery store, you know, like go out as little as possible. So yeah,


Oh that's


it


crazy.


is two. Yeah, appear in Connecticut. It's it's kind of rough because our proximity to new york state made us like we were very early in reacting to like close down schools and try and get ahead of things. Like we were among the first states who started taking like stay at home protections and stuff like that. Um, but despite that we're so close to the epicenter in new york city and once people in new york city found out how bad it was and started to get a picture of how bad it was going to get. A lot of people fled the city and they came to Rhode island Connecticut massachusetts northern new york anywhere that they have family or you know, somebody that they can stay with, He got out of new york city itself. And so we had a lot of confirmed cases coming up in sort of the southern part of Connecticut that we're probably connected to the outbreak in new york city.


Oh my gosh.


So, so


Good. Really? A


and


lot of people that like commute into new york for work, right?


we do, it's not so much where I'm in central Connecticut, so um, it's Connecticut's very odd culturally because you know, we're like we're that rectangle with a little hanging down, he bit down in the corner that points towards New york city that hang down a bit is like culturally basically part of new york city. Um if you work in new york city and you're wealthy, chances are you actually live in Connecticut and you drive in or take the train in to new york city for work, but you want your kids to go to the wealthy Connecticut school system and like have your flashy house down there or whatever. So like that part of Connecticut is like so culturally different from the rest of Connecticut. It's like not, it's like essentially a different state in a lot of ways um where I am is pretty disconnected from New york city. Most people who live around here work in like uh the insurance industry is a really big industry based out of Hartford you know? Um And it's really easy if you're like a young kid who just graduated and got a bachelor's or a master's in business or something like that, you can definitely get hired as an entry level analyst with one of the major insurance companies here. So there's a lot of that. Um and there's you know there's like some major shipping, there's a lot of headaches, a lot of ups oh my God I just got up, I'll show her to you if you come down in the night, she's up on the ceiling fan just out of camera. Yeah


yeah,


so it's not it's not super connected to New york city right where I am but there is a giant trunk in Connecticut that is very intertwined with life in new york. So. Yeah. Yeah.


yeah, they thought that san Francisco was going to be like new york, but we actually, I think we're also an early adopter out here, A lot of the county's adopted their own ordinances before the governor made any declarations and people have done a really good job of following the rules. I can't southern California because I've been pretty wrapped up in what's going on here, but I don't think California as a whole has had, you know, anything close to what happened in new york. But they totally thought that they did like we were I'm like I said I work for the public health department, we were prepared for the worst. Like we were


mom.


all standby. So I'm so grateful that people have followed up cautions.


Get up. Yeah it works, it works if you do actually remember that weren't there, weren't there a group of like a handful of people who were some of the first Oh yeah this is jennifer.


jennifer.


Oh see how I do. She's


you.


a ring next of mhm. Yeah. So she has the same kind of bird as like you know the white piece stuff, Same type of bird, different color. Yeah,


Uh huh. See me.


she's very sweet anyway um weren't you weren't there some confirmed cases that were among the first to actually enter the United States that like disembarked


I


in California


that


or something?


we I think it wasn't sacramento. We had people come from a cruise and that's what happened. So like we thought we were gonna get slammed pretty hard and I actually have a co worker who got


First


it


one.


and she's she recovered and she's been working from home and she's in a yeah in her sixties I think and she's doing fine. So um Uh huh Yeah. Yeah.


Sorry, go ahead.


Uh huh. So I think because people followed it so well that even if you did get sick it was so easy to isolate and like all the, you know, like we had like, you know, all the stores put in like protocols, uh insta cart grubhub made everything made like delivery affordable. Like they made it very just transition into isolation. Yeah. So


Yeah. Me. I'm glad that that worked out well. Yeah. Are you having any of the wackos who are like protesting then wanting to open up the state? Like, have


no,


you heard of that?


now


No.


pretty much everyone that I've talked to kind of hopes that uh we continue this for a while um because I know someone in Georgia who opened, I want to say like two weeks ago or like a week and a half ago and he, he was like, I wish it was like California here because no one ever follow the precautions and like I feel like gonna get it and there's nothing I can do about it because I can't make anyone else all the rules.


Yeah. Yeah. It's really scary, like I'm seeing a lot of news about places where people who feel that their freedom is being infringed upon are starting to like protests capitals and stuff like that and actually push their legislature to open the state again and we're just not ready. I guess there was a hearing, I want to say earlier today in um in Congress where a couple epidemiologists testified about the current state of things and they said, okay, we're hearing talk of states who who want to reopen. Like these are the things like, here's the laundry list of things that you need to have accomplished in order to safely reopen. And they went through and they gave very sort of comprehensive looks at different parts of public life and whatever that you would need to have under control or whatever. And currently, no state in the Union is hitting all all of those criteria. You know, they were, they were like, we want to be very clear like no state is ready to reopen. Yeah,


my God,


so it's not that it's impossible. Like you can see like each of these things are doable, you know, they're talking about like, you have to have two weeks of a downward track of new cases and you have to have this level of public testing available and stuff like that, you know? And so it's like all goals, like good goals to be shooting for. Um, but they're big takeaway is they were saying there's kind of this false dichotomy right now between public health and the economy, is that we have to choose one or the other. And they were like, you can't have public health without a functioning economy and you can't have a functioning economy without living healthy people like they're one and the same and we need to be talking about them as such, like we need to be visualizing this as a working together to get both of these things really going well right now, you know?


that's what


So like


we're


me.


talking about. A guy work like we're kind of in the middle past because it's like, well we could disregard public health and just open the economy, but then we're going to have, like, a scourge in case because and indeed the health care system and will be screwed. We also could just stay closed off indefinitely. But then people are going to be out of work because not everyone can work from home. Not everyone has a job that can be done online. So like, you're going to really screw some people over, or we could, but like, but if we did that, then the k then coronavirus will eventually just it will keep going down and it will go away. But that's not an option. So we have to take the middle path, so we have to just open it. So well, they keep changing their approach. So last week they

Yeah. Oh right. Yeah, Yeah, yeah. Yes. Right.


But


were going to open industry by industry. So like, we'll start with one industry, if that goes well then we can open another one. But today they were talking about we're gonna open county by county. And so like not every will open at the same time. So it won't be like, oh, all of northern California opens, it will be like, you know, some counties in northern California, some in central, some in Southern and then see how that goes and then open more.


Uh huh, interesting, What


But they


are you thinking


we


that?


have another spike in october by doing this like to just know that we're gonna have another spike. And something that I talked to my boss about is that this virus mutates. So what's going around right now is going to be mild compared to like the second generation. So that what makes me nervous about opening back up. And I wonder if we're just gonna be implementing this kind of protocol every flu season now. I don't because that's when it's gonna because because a lot of people that I talk to you think that well when I open back up we're all safe and it can all go back to normal it cannot go back to normal actually. So like when it opens back up we need to be even more cautious because that's when the virus is from U. T. And it's going to be more generous. So.


right. Yeah, it's tricky. I really, I really do wish we could just stay on lockdown indefinitely and make sure that people who are out of work are supported financially and are able to support their family and their loved ones. Right. I wish there was a robust enough social safety net so that we could keep those people safe at home and keep the curve flat, you know? And I don't like that, that people are putting pressure on the government to try and reopen as a, as a matter like that, they're politicizing the issue as an infringement on their personal rights and liberties because public health, like we pay people like you to tell us what to do in these times of grave crisis, right? Because we don't all have that sort of textbook knowledge that you studied and we need the guidance of people who understand it from an epidemiological perspective, who understand it from a geographical perspective, you know, and who can take these different disciplines and put them together. And so like I guess I feel like I wish America could be so different in so many, like we would have to be, we would have to already have been a different country in so many ways for things to go differently and for things to go more sustainably. And I two are really scared about what's going to come down the pipe in the fall because I don't think people are going to be willing to sit around all summer on lockdown. I think they're just going to give it up and they're going to want their baseball back and they're going to want their concerts back and they're going to want to go back to work and eventually they're going to put so much pressure on the local level politicians that they're going to get some version of that. Um, and that's, that's frustrating to me because I've been working really hard to stay at home and like practice good, you know, All of, all of the new protocols, facemasks, handwashing stuff like that. Like I've been working like I haven't, I want to see my partner, I haven't been for like almost two months now because that's like what we have to do to each play our part, you know? But I feel is frustrating that other kind of like your friend said like other people can throw my hard work away.


I know it's hard like um I didn't see my partner for probably like a month and a half and it was


No.


a birthday and we had to like sell. So we did a socially distance where I went and I bought him dinner and we somewhere where we could safely sit outside and like eat together without even to felt like. Yeah I see like other people because we have a lot of like social justice work who's out here in California and they're like eating this up for whatever reason saying like look at me like falling all the rules and like judging you for like not social distancing and all on instagram. I've actually lost a handful of friends and started because I've been calling people out just like I work like the health department, I don't know who you're judging because you should be judging your own actions because like you're not falling social distancing at all. You're traveling all over

Yeah. Mm. Oh yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. Really? Mhm Oh,


what?


California saying that you need to visit family for emotional support that you're like cross contaminating like five households. I am


Go


like wanting to see


wonder.


my partner


Thanks.


like birthday and like just being in the presence of other people outside of like the socially distance office that I go into like once, but like I can't because people like you think that you know better and think that you are following the rules and you're nowhere near following the rules. I think you're like the exception to the rule because you have all these like morals and stuff, but you're not like you're not doing anything to help this Cause right now


Uh huh. That's


I


frustrating.


hope this one girl, I was like, don't even mention social distancing and this photo because you're not, you're not, it's yeah, I'm like, you're not take the caption off. They're not socially distance about this photo.


Shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, frustrating.


yeah. I finally like did see my partner in this past weekend because we both had, we, we felt like we had followed like long enough of the protocol that it was like safe to see each other and we were just going to see each other. Oh,


Yeah.


but that's


Let


what,


me


it's


see.


really hard. Like I can't imagine the people that are like completely alone because I live alone, but at least I have like family or like a boyfriend and I can like see and interact with, but I know there's lots of people that don't have that at all. Imagine how hard that is right now.


You're, yeah, I'm, I'm living with a roommate that I don't get along with because she is doing risky coronavirus. She went on a coronavirus vacation to south Carolina, stayed with her partner for a while. And then when work reopened, she came back to Connecticut and refused to, she didn't get tested. She refused to like stay in a separate place for any period of time to see if she developed symptoms like, no, she just cruised right back in. Um, and so like I'm living with her, but we're avoiding each other, you know? But at least I know that I have friends who live nearby that I have a partner who like we made, we made an agreement that if one of us gets sick, like we're gonna come and the caretakers, you know, despite the incredible labor, that's going to be involved in the incredible risk that's going to be involved with that. You know? And so yeah, even for me, you know, I, I am kind of like, mm, well I'm technically not living alone. I'm like, I'm definitely on my own right now, you know? And even then I can still envision how much harder it would be if I didn't have those relationships and those connections that I knew I could count on. You know, like if I, if I got really sick and my partner couldn't make it here to like deliver groceries. I know there are people that I could call our message who would like drop off a hot meal on the porch for me, you know, and like be tough would be sad, but like they would show up for me, you know? But yeah, it's really scary to think of the people who don't have those kind of supports.


I know, I'm so crazy. It, but hopefully because we have been falling, the rule will be okay and I think we'll get a little bit of a break in the summer months because I don't do well in warmer weather. You know, that's what makes october scary. I know that I will personally be taken cold and flu season a lot more seriously.


Yes. Well we didn't get any talking problems. I guess we were just, yes, we did it. Right. Cool. Yeah, I think it's been enough time. See


So


oh, he went way over. Hey, we did agree.


I've got about $15.


Yeah, that's a pretty, I gotta say that's pretty even as an hourly rate, I'll take that. I think that's the money. Okay.


Or was nice chatting with you.


Yeah. You too going? I'm like, I'm glad that there are, it's nice to connect and see that there are other people out there who are taking it seriously. Like I guess like the silent minority in some ways, but like more power to you for one.


more metal heads across the unite.


we're out here, we're doing it check out load. I think you'll like them and uh hopefully someday in the not too distant future the concerts will be back and you'll get to rock out again. Dream. All right, my friend, nice to meet you


Nice to meet you and take care.


immediately.


Bye.


Oh I finally have someone


Sorry. Hi. How are you?


I'm good, I tried having a chat last night and the person didn't show up and I thought is this part of the study like how we respond to this or something? So it's good


I,


that we have conversation today.


yeah, that didn't happen to me, so I don't think that's it, but I don't know. Maybe I'm the control. Mhm


Yeah, maybe you're one of the R. S. Now. Um


What's your name?


I am nick. How about you


Live?


Liz or live?


Live with a V


Okay, let's cool.


nice to meet you.


Yeah. Nice to meet you.


Mhm. Where are you from?


Yeah, I am from Illinois like the Chicago suburbs, wow,


Well,


how about you?


I'm from Omaha in Nebraska.


Okay, cool. Are you a University of Nebraska fan?


Um, I mean, I went there. I don't care that much though. Uh,


I oh sorry,


no, you go ahead


I I went to northwestern so I just asked it's it's like a big 10 kind of school and I remember there was this one football game we had in Illinois


and on Lincoln


Whichever which one is in the Big 10.


Lincoln,


Oh, I didn't realize there are two.


Your good, Sorry, Sorry. Okay.


But yeah, they, the Lincoln one, they travel really well. Their fans.


mm hmm. Yeah. Mhm Yeah. Never


I


been one of those people, but that's okay. Sorry. I left. Do not have a good setup in here. So I'm finally


Where are those paintings in the back,


mhm. Um, there, my, I got my girlfriend's grandma through them like a while ago, so yeah, I did not. I wish we


The thing


couple. Yeah. Do


the thing


you?


that's


I'm sorry. Go ahead.


the thing that's interesting in my background old school phone


Whoa.


that doesn't work because this is like an office room. It's uh just my parent's basement. But yeah


that's so funny. I don't think I've seen a phone like that since like my grandparents old house. Right.


my uh my grandma was in a nursing home last year and she had like one of the old school phones where you plug it in and then it just had like big buttons for the numbers. I I feel like she just never owned a cell phone but she she was also like in her nineties.


I mean,


What?


you know, yeah. Whatever works for people I guess.


Yeah, it's kind of like I can see something starting to go buy me like I don't I don't have a tic tac and I never got into like VR type of stuff. So I feel like maybe there'll just be more technology things that I just don't really get into. All


How old are you?


I am 27.


Okay. I have a Tiktok, but I'm 23, so


Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. My, um, I have three younger sisters and I think they all have Tik TAKS and they're like 25, 24, So


Yeah, it's not, I like it because you can just like spend literally hours on it. Like, and especially now like I'm, I just started a new job like a month and a half ago, so I've been like training from home and so I don't really have that much to do. So I'm just like on Tiktok all day and


I,


more runs out.


when I was in college, my, one of my friends and I, we were really into vine and I feel like I would like that part of tick tock where it's kind of like the funny sketches or whatever. I just, I don't think I would like the, all the dancing and stuff and I don't know, maybe like the lip sinking


it kind of like, I don't know how much you care. So if this is boring, like tell me and I'll stop, but it kind of like learns what you like. And


and


so if you like a bunch of like funny videos will do more of that. Like I always like, I like a lot of like cat videos, so cat videos show up a lot and then like the more like dancing ones I never really like. So those don't show up quite as much, so it kind of adjust to what you like. So that's nice.


Yeah, That's like youtube. A lot of my entertainment comes from youtube, but I figured out there's this extension for google chrome that just tides like basically every suggested video. But yeah, like before


Well,


I had that, it was always like, oh, let me just go on and then four hours later I'm still


waiting


looking at videos. So, but what's your, what's your new job? Is that like your first job after college or?


Um Yeah, I've been working for like my last job I've had for four years, so um this one it's really hard to explain. So it's in like the mental health field though and it's um like it's kind of like a social worker, but not quite, but it's just helping families, I work for a nonprofit and it's like a voluntary program. And like if their kids are having issues, we kind of like help them that they have to be like diagnosed with a mental illness active.


Okay. So are you, are you doing like the data to figure out the diagnosis? Are you doing like home visits or?


so it's really hard to explain and I'm I'm too new I think to be good at explaining it. But so like there's this process called wrap around that we use. And so it's kind of like the whole like idea of it is like the family should be like really involved and they know the kid the best. And so like they should be more involved in professional people Because like, you know, if it's like a 16 year old, your mom has been with you since you were a baby versus like a therapist who's known you for like a couple of months. So it's like, you work with the family and you help them identify like people who are supports to them and then you're, it's kind of like being a facilitator and you help them like create like a plan and like figure out and just kind of help them be accountable and help the kid have like some advocacy to so that they have ownership and it's just more successful that way as opposed to a bunch of old people telling them what to do.


that's cool. So what happens when you need a new family and you think the parents are just, I don't know, like they're they're just not doing good parenting, but you can't, it's hard to convince them to be like, oh, actually, your your child would be better with this thing because I, I come from, so the last couple of years I was kind of a long term. So what kind of a pair of professional in a

Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm.


Mhm.


elementary school special needs classroom?


Oh, that's


And sometimes sometimes parents would do things that the two special needs teachers in there would just like, not really like, but it was hard to kind of convince them of like, oh actually you should be doing this other thing.


I think it like, mhm. Like, I think it depends if it's something like you have an example, I'm sorry. Mhm.


Um


Mhm. Mhm,


I don't know because there were there was uh let me try to thank. Mhm.


Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm.


I can't think of one besides, there was this one case where it was like seeing kind of like child abuse and we tried to push it a little bit, but it seems like with child abuse like you you really, as a parent, you really have to mess up before they start doing any sort of charges or anything


Mom.


like that, but I guess it would be like, I guess one example would be okay, so some of the students, they were doing physical therapy because they just, they just didn't do well with like going up or down stairs or something like that. So one hypothetical would be the teacher saying, Hey, uh parents of this child, like make sure you're practicing going up and downstairs with the child. And then maybe they just blow that off and just don't do it or something like that.


So I think, and again, I'm like still pretty new. So um if it's like something where we're like, oh, that's kind of maybe abuse like we call cbs, but if it's something more like that, I think we would like talk with like the kid and the parents and um at least is what I would do but try and figure out like why I'd be like hey like this might be a good idea and if they're not doing it kind of like just really legit like talking through like okay like why aren't you doing it like you think it's a good idea but like something is preventing you from doing it or do you think it's stupid? And if you think it's stupid why? Because you know maybe it's something where we're like well you should be doing it at home but they're like you know maybe they don't have stairs at home or maybe they don't have like their kids won't listen to them and kind of helping like figuring out why they're not doing it and then helping them find solutions or like some alternatives or something like that like because to me I mean like there's not like a wrong way to parent or a right way to parent, but maybe if there's something that will be helpful, then you have to help the parent figure out like why it's not happening or what's a better way to get around it, you know what I mean? So. Mhm.


That's cool. I um just because this is more anonymous, but I I've been seeing, Well I started with one psychiatrist when I was 14 and I think like two years ago I'm just with a different one. But I just because I've needed medication for mental health issues, so that is cool, like the whole doing it as


Would be.


team like with the family, because I know early on when I was in high school, I would sometimes go with like my mom or my dad or something like that. But then I kind of went by myself, but it it is nice like everyone's on the same page because I remember a lot of times and this probably is better for like maybe therapist what they're trying to do, like different techniques and you've got to practice at home as opposed to taking some medicine. But it would have been nice because sometimes I feel like I would come home from it and I would just maybe forget like parts of what the psychiatrist said and I'm like, oh, I don't know now, my like parents might not know exactly everything or whatever. So

Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah,


man, I know, we really try to have, like people are seeing therapists, we always try to have the therapist involved because it is like a really important role to play in someone's life, you know? So I don't know. So you are are you a teacher now or subsequent?


yeah, so I finished student teaching mid March, I was actually, I'm in a master's program to become a high school science teacher and


How awkward?


My grad school is on trimester, so the student teaching would have ended a week later, March 20, but then here in Illinois, the school's got cancelled after March 13, so I kind of just had a free week and I was applying to A bunch of high school districts like 15 of them starting late February throughout March and then a little bit in May and unfortunately I didn't get accepted anywhere ahead


Well.


a couple of interviews and at first I was just kind of, I don't know, sad or anxious because I thought that it was kind of a failure. But then I realized, oh there are a lot of things I can do with this time to make myself better because I went into it and I should have done


What?


these things a long time ago but I went into it and I was only approved or certified to teach Biology because I was I was student teaching in Biology. I realized though with science as opposed to something like high school english where you just need the high school english endorsement that you can teach any sort of english class with science Biology is like only a little some of the jobs available. There's also like Chemistry and physics. So I'm working on, I'm finishing up a physics class, I'm taking kind of like a Proctor it online, final in a couple of days or like Wednesday next week and then I'm going to take a


Yeah.


lab and a physics class after that, that's also online and finish that up. And then whenever the local community college opens up again and when I'm done with the physics stuff, I can take the endorsement tests for chemistry and physics to get endorsed in that. And I think just


Five.


having the three endorsements as opposed to the one, especially since Biology is so popular and it seems more competitive than the other ones would really help me because I I learned that through the two interviews, the two interviews, one was from my home town school districts. So it was the first interview I also had. So I was a little nervous. Like are they only doing this because


Just,


This is my hometown. And also because that department chair, he went to northwestern like 20 years ago. So I'm like, hopefully I get more interviews and but the script, the description sometimes it's just like general science teacher. And I got into the interview and he said this is for physics. So at that point, I know that I'm at a disadvantage if anyone has student teaching in physics or if they have a physics endorsement, I'm at probably at a huge disadvantage. And I felt like I really had to do really well to kind of outpace that. And then Like two weeks later I had an interview again, General Science went down the same path because both of them, I had two interviews for each of them. And I learned in the second interview because the first interview was just I was answering interview questions and I was submitting videos through email. So it's kind of like prerecorded stuff. The second one was with the department chair and other teachers and the department chair said this is for chemistry And they both said that later on like next year there will be biology openings or like 2021, and I didn't get accepted there and then I didn't haven't heard from anyone else. So I figured it's unlikely I'll be teaching in the fall. But at least because grad school was expensive, I had moved back to my parents last summer and that helps in terms of it's not like I'm just broke from paying for these grad school classes because I am just keeping like a spreadsheet of just what I owe my parents because they pay for it. And then I just over the money in the future. So it's

yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Oh yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm, mm hmm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah, mm hmm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm.


What? What?


it's nice having this time also, I would have been substitute teaching again in the spring just throughout the preschool to middle school district. But I think that's, I guess that's like the unfortunate part of this virus is that I miss out on like 10 weeks of pay and then I couldn't really get unemployment claim figured out, like there's kind of an error there. But I like that I have this time to work on these classes and improve my application for maybe applying for like january if people go on maternity or paternity leave or whatever, stuff like that, so yeah, I'm optimistic.

Mhm, mm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm.


That's awesome. That's great. You're like making good use of the time, you know, like I think a lot of people who maybe aren't like aren't really, I'm really lucky that I can be working now, but I think a lot of people are not so lucky and then they also are just kind of not doing a whole lot, which I probably would do. Like I'm not ragging on him or anything, but it's really awesome that you're not. So did you pick biology because you like it? The pest or was it just


Um so back in college I was pre med and that was kind of because my parents were doctors and I saw their happiness, it was kind of ingrained. And also I had a lot of surgeries as a child, like 150 surgeries,


always?


basically I would these like kind of blood lesions would come around my like lower lip and then sometimes inside, so I was just like surrounded by medicine a lot and I thought it was kind of


Important.


like kind of like my path or whatever, it would have been kind of hard to get off that path. And even my parents, they were like, hey, you should try looking into engineering because you're, I was always good at math and that didn't work out. I applied to med schools after college and work out and then I realized with lack of sleep, that would have happened if I got into med school and then residency, that might not be best in terms of my mental health because lack of sleep really hurts me. So I thought, okay, what can I do? That might be a little bit less stressful that I'll still really like. And late senior of college, I was tutoring other college students in physics and I really enjoyed that and then I did a lot of tutoring after college and I like those. And then I I'm finishing on my third year of substitute teaching. The first two years were with the special needs classroom and this past fall I was kind of bouncing around because I couldn't commit, but I overall I just really liked all those teaching things. So I thought, okay, I think teaching makes sense. Plus with high school I'm really into chess and tennis and teaching those playing those. So I think becoming a coach for those eventually is also really great. So

Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm Yeah.


Dude,


that's kind


I


of why.


would be


Thanks.


so cool. Oh my gosh. Good luck though. High schoolers Suckley like I talked in high school so like yeah.


I uh, speaking of Tiktok in high school, there was one class, it was like a special needs class that I student taught for and they would always, they were pretty wild and I, I didn't have like good skills to try to control them, but I read like a book or two after and like, oh, I could have done this, this and this, but they were, they were really into Tiktok and they were doing like the doja cat dance and stuff and like, I don't know, like a bunch of like tic tac things, so it's kind of funny and I just told them like, oh yeah, I used to be on vine and I think some of them might have been on vine. I don't know. So


Yeah. Yeah, I know, I never like was ever online, but then like after it got shut down, I would watch like find compilations on Youtube so like I got the main point, you know?


Yeah. Yes. I said they're still around in terms of on Youtube. Actually the one friend who I talked about who was in divine couple of days ago. He, we have a group text among us and he's like, yeah, I signed up for vine or I signed up for tick tock and, but he's like, he's really funny. Like when I was on Snapchat, he was really good in terms of like just kind of like little jokes and then he also played the UKulele. So I'm like, oh dude, you're going to kill it on Tiktok if you post on it, which


Football.


he might. But I think he was saying kind of what I was saying that he would like the skits and stuff there but not the dances. So maybe if I get really bored.


you should. I think like, I feel like everyone always goes through the same progression. Like I know when I got it and then everyone that I've got started on it, like it's always like you like download it ironically kind of and you're like, oh whatever. And then you're like, oh there's like kind of funny and then like a couple months later you're like, oh my God, I can't stop. Like and you just send him home to everybody. Like it's a it's a trap, honestly. Mhm.


I would be very trapped. Also if some of my favorite designers went to there and some of them probably might be. So, it be I think it's something maybe maybe when I'm done with these upcoming physics classes and I have more time maybe. So we'll see.


Did you ever like, I don't know how to Sarah last name. It's like Sarah shower or


It's really funny.


she doesn't want to pack.


D H A U E R Tiktok. Okay. Yeah.


She didn't.


A lot of lot of the famous finders went to instagram. So I tried to ask my sister's like, did they also branch out to tick tock or do they just stay on instagram? And I wasn't sure. She wasn't sure.


I


But


don't know. But I know she's on that's the only one that I know of. Mhm


All right.


Yeah,


Mhm.


I know. What do you got going on for your weekend? Are you studying


Every, well,


please?


yeah, like during the day I Even when I don't have, so what happened with this classes I signed up for and I started doing it back last June and I had 12 months to do it and I just got busy with like student teaching and stuff. And then I usually I took the for the midterm at the local community college. So then I was kind of waiting until may arrive to see okay, is the college gonna be open? But they're not gonna be open till june. So luckily the professor like a couple of weeks ago said, call this number in case you can't get a proctor exam, so I'm just going to do it on its called adobe, connect some sort of, they can like, I think they're going to record me on webcam and then maybe record my screen or something so that I'm not cheating. But yeah,

Mhm. Mhm. Mhm Okay. Oh. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Mhm.


Yeah.


other than that, every saturday night, my friends and I, I'm closer with my high school friends and my college friends, my college friend group kind of died out because they all moved out east, but a lot of my high school friends stayed around here. So every saturday night we get on either like a zoom or a Microsoft teams or a google hangout. And we played poker because in high school and a little bit in college we played poker like every weekend. So just texas hold'em. It's been really fun. We've found a couple of websites that worked pretty well, but they've received a lot more traffic during the pandemic, so sometimes it's slow, but they've been pretty good lately, so it's nice. And then we just all have like a bunch of Venmo money stockpiles. So it almost feels just like fake money, just like giving it to someone one week and then they give it back the next week kind of thing. So we do that every saturday night tonight. My mom wants to watch a movie, just, I think I like on netflix, which we sometimes do. And then Mother's Days on sunday we were going to do a picnic like at a forest preserve for dinner, but it looks like it's gonna be cold. So

Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm, mm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah, mm hmm.


Well,


my mom wants to play this one board game that we play settlers of Catan sometimes. So we're gonna play that. But I don't know what else we're going to do. But


that's


how about you?


all I know. Um


Yeah, it'll be good.


yeah, I don't know. I know. Tomorrow I'm going to go see my mom and we're just going to hang out for Mother's Day. So um mhm. I mean that's really, I don't know what we're gonna do, honestly. We'll probably end up just playing some games, but we'll do that and then on sunday I probably won't really end up doing much. I'll probably day drink honestly, but no actual plans for the majority of the week, but


So are you for your job, are you just doing like video visits then with the family


and


or how does that work?


Yeah, we're doing like calling and like zoom or whatever kind of whatever they prefer, but we're not going to people's houses just because like our office


And


is closed. So like, I haven't even been to the office yet, like since I started, so since we're not even at the office, we're not going to go to other people's houses because, you know, I want to be safe and whatnot. So um but yeah, I don't know because we asked, in theory, we're supposed to go back to the office like june but they said that they don't know if we'll go to people's houses when that happens because there's still like, I don't know how Illinois has been like in Nebraska, there's still like an increase of cases and our governor just like opened everything back up basically, even though the cases are still increasing because that makes so much sense. Um you know, so we're like, now that everything's open, people are going to be going and going out and spreading all their dreams everywhere. So now I really don't want to go and like, so I don't know what we're gonna do, but for the meantime, yeah, we're not going to see anyone. So it's kind of making things a little more difficult. People are answering their phones as much and missing meetings and not letting us know and it's kind of annoying, but mhm.

Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah. Our our governor, Well, he's it's a very Democratic state, so


Is it?


like liberal. So we're very it's like right now More stuff might open June one, but he has this whole like five stage plan of like, okay, we have to we're not increasing it well, we have kind of like the same number of cases each day. So we're just hoping some point this month that they will start to decrease. But it's this whole thing like if you want to get to the next stage you have to like, I don't know. It's like you either test more people or you Trace where people are. And also I think he wants like some sort of decrease over, I don't know, like a 14 or 28 day period. So Right now we're on stage two which is there is some limited stuff like things like gardening places got opened and then golf got open with limitations and a couple other things like regular surgeries that weren't essential but they can do them because the hospitals are at a better capacity and then the next stage would be like, I think just more stores and like haircut places. So We'll see if that happens in June one. But I'm not sure just because I think, I think his goal now is like he wants to try to get, he wants to move it down to like just not that many people each day, which I don't know when that's going to be. And I have heard that it might take like a couple of years for a vaccine, so not sure. Um Yeah.

Mhm. Mhm. Right, mm hmm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm, mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah.


That's cool though. What's, that's really good that your governor is doing that because like we didn't even Nebraska so stupid. Like I hate it, but whatever, but like we didn't even close everything down. Like we never actually had like a stay in place shelter or whatever it's called. Um So he had it like most things were closed down, but like you could still go like to home depot or Target or like you could still go to like most stores, like they close like restaurants and bars and then, okay, I think like last week he opened up restaurants to 50 capacity, like 50% capacity and like hair salons and they're opening bars back up again. And like, I don't think things were even really shut down that long and nothing's nothing's gotten any better and he's opening everything back up. And I'm like, there's, but I also think he has, like, someone said that he has like money invested in. Like we have like a big outlet mall that he has money in and stuff like that. So I think he's just opening it so he can make money. No,


That's unfortunate.


I love that. He's an idiot.


I'm, I'm especially living with my parents. Like I, even when things open up, it's like I'm going to be very cautious and my friends and I right now we have, we do fantasy football for the NFL first off, we don't even know if NFL is going to work out this season. And also every year for like around Labor Day or sometimes before that we go on a trip somewhere in the US. It started like a couple of years ago,


No


so


problem.


to draft our teams. So we're just nervous because we're planning on going, going to New Jersey, which is very that new york are like number one and two. So it's looking like like we already paid for the Airbnb, which we can't get a refund on and


You want think they


the


give


flight.


more influence?


So Airbnb, their policy I saw is that It's like you can get a refund if the air baby was before June one. But like after that you just can't so it's kind of kind of stinks. So yeah,


it's


we'll


like,


see. I'm not sure like if I wanted to go to that, which would be like airplane and then taking a train, it'd probably be something where it has to be like, just not that many cases each day kind of thing. So I don't know. We'll see.

Mhm, mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


I think, I hope that works out like that would suck dang.


But Yeah, we'll see. It might be a situation where some


No.


of the group of 10 of us go and some don't. So we'll see. But yeah, I


Mhm.


don't, I don't agree with opening things up quickly in Nebraska because what was the point of closing things down in the beginning anyways, then you kind of kind of like erases all the progress that limiting stuff would have made. Yeah.


And Nebraska is just kind of like a dumb state in general. Like it's, you know, we're always like, I think the last ones to do anything mildly smart or progressive or anything. So I mean it tracked, but it still sucks, right. Mhm. Cap.


All right. We've, we've been at the 25 minutes. So


That's right. Yeah.


anything else you want to say?


I don't think so. It was nice to talk to you.


Yeah, it's nice meeting you live like liv Tyler, I think that's the only live I know there's


don't


also,


need to do.


there's also a live, I think it's like a nightclub or something. Might be like in Miami or Vegas or something.


That's what many days Lives lounge in Omaha, but


That's cool.


not mine.


You can just tell people that they named


Not


it after.


hurt.


It's like, yeah, my grandpa named it after me or something, her grandma. Uh huh.


Well, yeah, it was very nice to meet you and talk to you.


Yeah. It's nice meeting you.


Yeah. You have a good evening and weekend.


Yeah. Thanks, you, too.


All right. Bye.


Okay. Mm. Yeah. Right. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Because yeah. Okay. Let's get a couple. Mm hmm. Right. Mhm. Yeah. I don't know. Really? Still here.


All


Mhm. Uh huh. Yeah. Who are you?


yeah, you hear me? Okay,


Mhm. But hi, my name is minute. Okay.


I'm sorry, what's your name?


The night


Okay, my name is mine, a nice to meet you.


you see where your son?


Oh, I'm from pennsylvania, Oh, how about you?


come from, boston.


Oh, nice, yeah, I'm in Pittsburgh, so mhm


My pleasure to go is.


it's going okay, I woke up with a sore throat, so I'm kind of freaked out, but but I feel fine otherwise, so I think I'm just like psyching myself out because I can be kind of a hypochondriac. Act


Have


what?


you, have you been like going out? Mhm.


I've been to a restaurant like a couple of times, but I haven't gone in a while and haven't been really


Yeah.


experienced with that many people besides like people that I see all the time, so fine, I'm just gonna go before, so paranoid, but


I thought not to be right now, I feel


yeah, I think it's so easy to get like freaked out about everything. How are you doing?


Um Pretty good. I've


I mean,


been away for so long. I don't know why I like wake up so early now since like quarantining and like I'm not a morning person and like when I was working I was never woke up early so it's like weird to me that I have nothing to do and I love that like six.


Yeah, I don't, I feel like that too, I normally let's sleep into like 10 or so now, like eight, it's really bizarre. Okay.


I would like literally, I mean I have nothing to do with, I was, we tried so hard to find things to like busy night time up but not very successful.


Are you in college or We're


I got a few years ago, so I was working, I lived in California and then I got laid off so I came home,


come on.


I didn't want to stay in California, it's okay.


It's kind of nice to be home and I see with my family for a bit because I lived at home since I graduated.


Yeah. That is nice. Yeah, I'm a junior at pit right now. So I came home in like april because my roommate was potentially exposed. So I came


And have


So it's part to environment. Yeah,


on all


they


my classes.


were interesting. Um It kind of made things easier. Her like tests and stuff because I don't know, it was kind of nice but it was just weird to have everything stops so quickly, which I'm sure you felt the exact same thing. But yeah, I think it's almost worse now because we don't know what's really going on for the fall. Yeah. Mhm. They are not really giving us answers like we're all going back to campus, but I don't know like how, how it, how it's gonna work. Like they're talking about things like hybrid classes and I feel like that's going to be harder than like all online are just completely in person so it'll be interest

Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Mhm. Yes. Yeah.


Yeah. For sure. What do you study?


um there a science and psychology. What was your injury?


I said a finance and hospitality. Yeah, I was being financed out of the hotel a little bit of salt, but hotels are not going to bounce back anytime soon, so I'm thinking like I need to refocus honestly I'm okay with that. I think like right now certainly a hard time finding a job because there's like the recent grads, but I'm now looking and then like people who got laid out for looking like a big candidate for, I think seeing them a lot more competitive. Yeah,

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, mm. Mhm. Yeah.


Yeah. Yeah. That's really scary. I'm sorry you got laid off.


that's okay. I feel like everything happens for a reason. So it's like 40.


Yeah, that's what I try to tell myself. It's so freaky. Have you been going out mostly staying home?


I've been mostly staying home. Like I have hung out with some friends who are also like quarantining and not really doing anything. So like we're


Well


going to hang out with my household at their house and he, so I don't get very close and like we usually try to stay outside, but otherwise like I, but I don't really like um here they started opening up like stopping and um


Mhm.


they have outdoor dining


What


and um


people?


I don't know what else has opened up and I don't really want anywhere. Like is it worth it? Really? Yeah.


the couple of times I did go out like my friend got engaged so she had like a luncheon. Yeah


so that it was like reserved group and I knew who everyone was and stuff but I just felt so like not guilty but like kind of guilty I guess it was just like not worth going out, I don't think I'm glad I want a friend, but yeah, in general, I don't think it's worth

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Cool. Uh huh. Okay. Yeah.


It's


going, but yeah.


crazy. I'm sure it's fully


Thanks.


reopened like it resumed all normalized. Yeah.


No,


Like


no.


they were the least um like shut down to begin with slightly for me. Um but they're reopening was still fast and they're fully reopened now. There's nothing that you can't do and you're not required to learn that in public 15


Very well,


years. Yeah. So I don't know like what the


No.


situation there is. Like if they have a lot of cases or not but I can't imagine how they put in with the way they're handling things. But at the same time I'm like if they had such a huge fight like they would have done something like that would have modified in some way. But third yeah. They're just doing their things


wow, it's freaky. I haven't heard about them but you know, I've heard about like texas and California


florida


ST yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah florida was like the biggest 12


part of nuts. Those people are crazy. Right?


like such a western p a thing to go to like Ocean City or Myrtle Beach or something. I'm like, is it worth it like for that if I'm going on vacation I want to go somewhere nice. Yeah.


Well it's also, I mean, I feel like, yeah, you can go to the beach and like you can like a relatively far from people that you're not like with, but it's like, I don't know, it's a very different kind. It's kind of apocalyptic that's going to public place, but when you're faced with some people going off, like

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


What?


it's like, it's weird, like, I don't know if I don't want to, but I mean, I guess people are getting very like Sir Casey, which I get, but it's like, it's not like we're staying home just for fun, like for no reason. Like there's a purpose. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah.


Yeah, we were talking to our neighbours yesterday and she was like we rented a condo and I know we can stay like pretty isolated and they're like, well we're scared to like lose


our money if we don't go. So there's like financial factors and stuff like that too. But I'm like and well,


I feel like people are basically leaning like refunds on stuff, so right now.


yeah, I wasn't gonna like start an argument with her because we're not, it's not, you know,


Not


not that


worth it.


yeah, that's how I feel with a lot of controversial opinions. I'm like, I'm not even gonna get started because I don't think we're going to get any more productive. But yeah, it's been very interesting times for sure.


Well,


No. No.


as you mentioned, your friend got engaged, I feel like so many people have gotten engaged before you pain and I'm like, Mhm. Talk to you guys for this proving that you guys can make it like that you guys are like, I don't wanna go for it because I feel like so many people have broken out. Like it's a field cut for relationships right now.


Yeah, I think so. And like um our other friend was we were all joking about like quarantine babies and stuff when people came in whatever and we like we try to go like walk every day because we're not like near anyone in the park and I think it's fine and I need to do some kind of exercise, I'm going crazy. And anyway, she just told us that she was pregnant yesterday, which was we because Mhm. We were not expecting that and she just like casually dropped that baby breakup.


Stop


Thank


breaking


you.


off. And you know the lady?


No, they're not breaking up. I just meant like people in


So


general.


like both things are happening. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Like my friend was telling me that he moved into his girlfriend like three months ago and I'm like, but a really bad time when you learn with someone because you literally move in and then you're spending every waking moment with them. There's open for teachers because you've got the first group of people who got laid off or like staying home was like a lot of faith time. If you guys really like each other, you will be good


what?


if you don't, you don't know


Well?


like now you'll find out.


yeah, that is very stressful. Are you in a relationship with anyone?


No. Are you?


Yeah, I have a boyfriend we've been dating like almost two years now, but


Hello?


we obviously don't get together, so I've seen him like a couple of times because his parents are older and a little more high risk and we're trying to be really cautious about that, but we've been distance. Like the whole not just we're like an hour away, so I'm kind of used to not see him too much. It would be really interesting if we just like we did the other one getting


Yeah. I don't know like, I mean I really fast way to find out if it's the right relationship or not like I don't know if I want to do it.


yeah with like leases and rent and I don't know, I couldn't do that stresses me out but


I have a lot of my friends are like really like feeling like allow I really need a boyfriend now. They're like going so hard on like the dating app and I'm like this is like a really weird time to do that because it's like everyone was so socially isolated that like everyone so needy. I'm like hi this system of goodbye. Like it's a really weird time to look for a relationship but

Yeah. Oh. Oh yeah. Oh right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


What?


it's like he's ever gonna have more three times a day.


that's true.


Really never flagged. I don't know if people are in the right frame of mind to be but


Yeah. We all some non conventional dates like.


my friends are just like going on days but it's like meeting up like hanging out of parts and I'm like that's the right place work for you and you do it. But I don't know how many like how many times I'd be cool like meeting up with a stranger at apart during the pan down there. Mhm. Yeah.


you do if that's what you want one.


I also just like every time I've gone out like that go look okay, drives with my sister or something and like it really sucks not being able to find restrooms anywhere.


Yes, I've encountered that too.


I can't I can't do it. I don't know why anyone wants to be out for an extended period of time because like literally if you have to go to the bathroom, like probably not going to find one. Yeah.


I was at the park and I just wanted to refill my water bottle and all the like water fountains where it closed off and stuff like to drink, it was just awful.


Uh It's annoying but I mean


Forget it, mm


I don't get so like like restaurants that are open like doing take out like


Good.


so when you use the restaurant because I don't know and I feel like it even if like someone like not hygienic or like maybe it's infected and using the restroom as long as you're not like girls making sure you don't touch anything like you'll be okay. I don't but I get also like that they go out one man power. It has like clean like I think that's the pain that happens like every hour if they're open that's like a lot more manny for cleaning will disclose it.

Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah. Yeah. That's stressful. The one thing that really like I've tried really hard to put it all into perspective and be like my life is fine. I can adapt and you know, let things get canceled and stuff, but stuff like the dentist, the guy knee, you know, like stuff. I'm like, why can't I just go get my teeth? Like I know they're only doing like emergency visits and stuff, but just like stressful because now all of that stuff is so behind and,


I


but if you're a regular


think, I think it was a dentist here open. I don't know if vary by state, but my mom had a dentist appointment like a couple days ago for a regular screening. Yeah.


canceled. I was like early june and they called and canceled me. But


And you know it sounds like it's gonna take forever to get it rescheduled like because


And


everyone's in your dream scheduling right?


And like I don't know about your dentist, but mine, you have to schedule it like six months in advance. So you never know if that day anyway. So that kind of stuff I don't really understand. Like I understand minimizing risk and stuff, but I feel like those kinds of things should be allowed because so many people not getting seen, like even if you think about like mammograms and stuff like that, you could be missing those check ups that people need to like get screened for. I don't


know.


like epidemic like they can do like a very thorough cleaning of the room during in between education and like the dead, this can be like well equipped with PPE and like should be fun. You know like it's because they're sanitizing anyways. It's not like this is like a lot of this isn't gonna be additional cleaning like defeat more thoroughly and like always so are handled himself like okay that's new. But like the cleaning of the tool, the tool should have been sanitized the same way that they would be now because

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Right. Uh huh. Yeah.


Yeah. And like they


top


always want to ask anyway. I don't know. So that stuff like that kind of frustrates me because I don't want people to get sick and not know it because they're missing those kinds of things and then it just like back at the hospital and stuff even more. But yeah. So so


I know it's the same thing with weddings like all the people who at the cancel their weddings. like I know some people are just like forget it or like I'll just like do my doom wedding or whatever. But like all the people who are wanting to read book their weddings, these venues are going to be still overwhelmed. There was not going to be the time for people who are planning 2021 weddings and the people who are spending 2020 weddings plus whoever like this wasn't planning their wedding, it like all fit them in next year. Like whenever things start to open again because like that's also very destructive and it's like not going to be like it, it's too much people that are going to have a need now that they're not going to be able to meet. They're not able to make the lawyers

yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Because I know some people are trying to reschedule like for the fall and now we're like, well the fall it's not gonna work. So who knows when it's going to be to actually reschedule your stuff because I don't know. And it's even more stressful because you think about like if we could get like a vaccine or treatment or better testing, there's so many like skeptics and conspiracy theorists are like they're tracking us there, injecting us with stuff. Like it's those kinds of people that aren't going to let us go back to normal earlier than we should be. So it really freaks me out. No.


wonder if we're close to getting a vaccine and honestly, and then usually that can take years to develop. But I don't know what the whole world is working on this right now


Yeah. I feel like by next year they probably might have one, but I have no idea. Okay.


because I was like, I mean developing it but then they have to do with all the test indian child particularly with some more time since ending part. But I don't even think about that now. But I don't have any like I think that they were like in like stage three of one vaccine behind them. Don't you never hear about it on the news or I don't really talk about it. But you just randomly see an article. Well like I talked to a guy like friends or nurses or like pharmacists and like they're more important, you know? So like tell me stuff and I'm like, oh okay. Yeah.


Yeah. It's hard to know because like I do research to not for vaccines but just like the research process. It takes so long to get approval to work with people and I'm hoping they can expedite that kind of like bureaucracy stuff. Getting everything but you're right. Like it just takes long because you don't know how people are going to react. You just kinda have to let it like tickets, cores, wow,


Okay. Yeah. And the


Everyone


crazy.


what? Yeah. Uh huh.


Have you like done these like survey things before? Okay.


Um I started doing prolific probably in like March just for like an extra thing to do because my lab uses it like well do surveys on here. So I was like, wait, I should try to get extra money too. So I've done like the better piece. I've done this survey before too. Like I've talked to one other person. Um Yeah, so that was interesting like the first time, so I had no idea what to expect and then I fine like I really want is awkward, but the other, it was like


No,


kind of painting whatever.


I feel like why would you sign up for this if you're like not like, I mean I think like right now like honestly at my social skills are like not what they used to be because I don't talk to people anymore, but like literally speaking if you're like socially, like why would you send up?


I know it's like I'm kind of weird around strangers, but I feel like if anyone can just like, like most people should just be able to hold a conversation for 20 minutes. Yes.


right now. It's like you just like you just talk about quarantine and fly. It's just everyone, you know like maybe in normal circumstances, like you don't know what you can relate to bring some stranger on like everyone's going through this. So which is already at the point of this, I feel disappointed this experiment. I kind of feel like how many people are going to use quarantine is like their thoughts put up a topic of conversation.

Right. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm


Yeah, it's just so easy to find like, like you said, just you can relate to and everyone's going through it. Have you gone to any protests or anything like that?


No. Have you?


I went to one because it was really local, like it's like five minutes from my house and they were really emphasizing how it was going to be useful and I trusted the people that were leading it so and that was fine. It was completely like peaceful and safe and I stayed away from everyone and we had masks on and all that, so that was nice. Was really empowering. But I haven't gone to any like big ones in the city or anything.


I like really? I can't okay, I can't believe that like with what's going on and like how much people are talking about it, that like it almost seems like police misbehaviour is like happening more and I just don't get it because I feel like it, if this is I feel public and it's such a look at the top of conversations on the forefront as much as it is, like it's like they'd be on their best behavior, felt


you've


like


been a great


it's not like I like actually getting worse and if they're being like more audacious about it, bizarre to me.


Yeah, I don't under there's just been so many new stories and I'm this shit even real like it's very disheartening. I I don't know different people in my family feel differently about it and I'm trying to see everyone's like perspective but you know it's different when we're dealing with human rights and safety and I don't know it's just such a sensitive topic but I feel like both sides are so loud and so like set on their way. I don't know. I feel like not that we should compromise but like you would think that the people who are arguing that all lives matter and police lives matter and shit like that would just like to take a step back and not think about themselves for once if that makes sense, you know? Oh


I just feel like I just don't get how people


And yeah.


can be ignorant to like the reality of what's happening life. Like I I don't know how you gonna deny that like you're literally doing a story about someone who died. Look for no reason it takes I just


and if


did


you see


it.


the video of it and you're still like well you know, that's what happened.


like the old man that like they just shoved and then he started bleeding from his head and then they all like 57 officers were dying like in response like yeah how why? But at the same time like I've been reading things about like officers who have tried to like um see whistleblowers are like stand up for what's right and then they get totally blackballed and they get like forced out of their jobs and they get like targeted at work. And so it's like you really


look.


can't win. So it's like effect the system that the environment that they operated even if there are police, which part there are like they can't effectively make change because even like like this one of those things like kept escalating and escalating and escalating what happened and every level he took it to the same response. They were like you're wrong and he got reprimanded and like splendid like singles out looks like if that's the system that's how it is and like really can't make a difference.


Yeah. And that's hard because you want the good people to stay in and try to make the change and then you have people that are like, well all the like if you're a cop who has good morals, you should quit your job. And I'm like what is that doing? You're just learning the bathrooms like have a bigger voice.


The green, what is letting me like you either put your job or you stay silent simple then you're not making a difference there either and you like it needs to be reworked just there has to be a better way but it has to start from the top like it's not there.


yeah. And I think the issue with like the media and stuff as people are focusing on these very like trivial changes, like changing it jemima or changing Uncle Ben's like those brands, like no one's asking for that. No one's mad about those like trivial things. No one was like asking you to rename things they want like laws and they want reform and you know policy want like these symbolic changes that don't really do anything to make things better because those kinds of changes are what make other people who don't really like get the movement be like, oh this is just getting ridiculous. They are asking for too much and you know no one, no one was really asking for that at least from what I've seen I meant so I don't know,


But also kind of like, I think that could protests are effective in raising awareness and getting attention affection for the cause.


I agree.


But I don't think that the protests are necessarily what like getting the changes that have been made. Like, like the policy changes that have happened on like a small scale. I think that's like the petition and the letters and the people who are like reaching out to people in politics, in their districts and like that. I think that's what like pushing it, but I guess that wouldn't really be happening as much as if there wasn't that traction and attention that they're getting at the protest.


Yeah, it's hard to know like what is the biggest driving force but as long as you're doing something I guess it's better than doing nothing. But at the same time like you said you can't you know expect to get things done unless you're actually like signing and crawling and doing everything you need to do so.


It's just sad that the people who are like going out and protesting are like putting themselves in like so much harm's way could do it because they're getting on to act like it. Mhm. It's just crazy. Like I can't imagine what like the rest of the world is thinking being like how what's the behavior of our government and our police? I can't imagine this is the most unstable country ever.


Yeah. And I don't, I can't even imagine like the issues with other countries that have like I don't know it's like third world countries like because this one is so crazy and we're supposed to be one of the better ones. Like I think I'm so much more sympathy for other people in general. Mhm.


I just think like, imagine like the country was taken training europe, like where were so comfortable like in terms of like the standards and like how we operate and like


And


barbaric, what's happening here is literally it's like comparable to a third world country, but it's so it's supposed to be so involved. So it's like, I don't know how, I think it's really interesting how foreign affairs will be affected by this because it's like, you really can't be


Well yeah.


country with the way things happen here and that looks so public.


Okay. Yeah I agree. 100% wow. We've been we've got our 25 minutes and already thank you. Yeah I think we're good. Sure what?


Okay. Well, it was nice talking to you,


You know it's nice talking to you too. I hope you have a good day.


you to feel better. Yeah.


I feel fine. I think I'm just being dramatic. Yeah.


All right.


well nice to meet you.


What you do?


Bye.


Yes. Uh huh. Oh. Uh huh. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's, wow. Yeah.


Hi.


Hi,


What we're doing?


Good, how are you?


Oh, one pretty okay. Not bad. No, just open my day kinda ends well. I got like a lot of almost to do. So hopefully


that's


that yeah, it's constant, hopefully confirmation to grain because I'm, I just want to be free tomorrow. I don't want to do anything to me and I just want to relax, have a nice to stay and I would like that before the weekend comes and you kind of get busy again and I want to like that. So you know, that's my life so far.


I I mean I get it. I have to go back to work after this, I'm using, this is my lunch break to take a break from having to be an adult. So


Well,


I sympathize with that, yep.


no, no. Where


Trust


do you work out there? Like what do you do?


I'm a software engineer, so I work


No.


for a health care company that manages like healthcare data. No.


That's pretty nice. Um I'm doing mathematics right now, but when I'm done, I plan on going back to take out print like an engineering cars, uh mechanical or electrical engineering, something like that. I don't know, it depends on whatever. Because I'm a really good attention people. Like I was, I was thinking, you know, it was gonna be easy, but how do I have pretty much like physics and mats, but I'm not really good at fascinated London, like whatever I know down to other people. So I'm like, you know, just fuck it. I'm just gonna do something, something else that would probably be a little bit like more, you know, easy for me to be able to like, oh, embrace it on every point that Yeah. So is anything


I actually actually switched from physics into computer science because when I got a physics internship it was all coding and I was like this is kind of cool and then I was like but I can definitely get a job programming. I don't know if I can get a job in physics where I live, so I just was like, screw it, we'll switch. Ouch.


Oh, I pretty much leaving close to Chicago. So


What?


how do I pretty much want to like move out when I'm done with college? Because I mean you guys was pretty okay but it's not like the best place ever. Like even like I have like people you pretty much know. It's kind of like kind of sucks so I'm hoping I could move out when I'm done. Go somewhere else. Just explore other places. Just not fun, things like that. But yeah, I know, it's pretty, pretty hard