Yeah. And that's the thing, like I feel fortunate that, you know, even as a student, they're not forcing us to be in contact with, just not at risk, but just in general patients in the hospital, you know? So yeah, a lot of things have then um just like if we're not doing it at home, we're just in the pharmacy and there's restricting us to just like if you have any questions for the patients, you would call them any recommendations to the provider. We would be just calling them instead of, you know, having more that face to face interaction. Yeah.


That's really good. Yeah.


Yeah.


That's super fortunate.


Yeah. And like I haven't even been working at the pharmacy, like even when I'm doing this because my dad has diabetes and I'm not sure if, you know, like a lot of people with diabetes are more at risk and other people for just getting the coronavirus so definitely is concerned.


Yeah. We have that. My wife and I have um her parents and then my parents kind of have some like one has respiratory issues and stuff like that. And they are kind of like uh deal and we're just sitting here like well we had to tell them, we're like, look, we're not going to see you for a while because they aren't taking it super seriously and


I and that's the thing. It's like, like, why isn't serious? It's called pandemic for a reason. It's not called like, like a o is like a small outbreak, you know, or an epidemic pandemic. It's like, I like, even if you have like the little health complications, like, there's no, there's no, like, I don't want to sound rude, but there's not a care for this. There's not a treatment like,


totally.


it's just managing the patient's symptoms of when, like anything that comes up with the coronavirus, you know? So that's why I mean, I don't that's so strange. Like, why are they serious? You know? It's like, it's real. It's not fake.


Well I have this, I have this theory that I have no academic data to follow up on, but I'm kind of like, I've started to really believe that the people who were like, let's get back to normal, let's do this right now are the ones who are genuinely afraid of like that new. I know it's always said that way, but a new normal, like they don't want that and so they're kind of in denial of what's actually happening and especially like where we're at, our numbers aren't crazy. Um but they're worse than they were in March and april by a long shot and things keep getting worse and it seems like that keeps pushing people more and more into like, well, it's no big deal, we're fine. We haven't got it. Look, there's hardly anybody and it's like, yeah, that's how you prevent it. You don't uh


Two and like, but no, I agree. It's like they're saying. I mean, like, even our own presence saying it is what it is now. Like instead of instead of accepting the new normal, he's just saying it is what it is. People die like how how tragic is that? You know? And like even like I've been reading on florida how they're like, oh yeah it's been going down, it's going down because no one's getting tested during a hurricane warning. Um who's gonna go, you know, drive to get tested during a hurricane morning season? No one is so that's why cases are going down because there's not just being tested reported But like no one is making common sense and these things and it's I don't I don't get it. It's like is it that hard just to take care of yourself and others by wearing a mass outside? Apparently it is. Okay.

Okay. Uh huh. Uh Yeah, yep. Cool. All right. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. All right.


Yeah, I don't get it. And I'm even more um you know, of course there's certain news stations I steer clear of just because they're crazy. Um But after, I don't know if you saw that that axios interview with trump


I didn't watch the whole thing now.


it is it that is a part of my language. It was a shit show and it's awful. Like it's just it was so awful. And then for the hell of it, I saw there was a Fox News video on Youtube about joe biden's uh he can't get through a sentence and I was like okay, I'm going to watch this, it shows like one part where he like stumbles over his words, but the dude used to have a stutter and so that's going to happen every once in a while and then they asked him if he'd take that cognitive test that trump was bragging about, he's like, no, I'm not going to do that. Why why would I do that? That's for people who are like they're concerned about like other issues, right? I'm sure you know that, but they just kept ragging on biden about how he can't get through a sentence, how he doesn't understand anything and I'm like this just projection like, you know that your buddy trump is awful, but let's redirect to biden because we don't like him.


Yeah and that's a no I heard degree. Not only the redirecting the whole like concerns for dementia also redirecting like trump's association with like you know like Jeffrey Epstein and stuff. Same thing with Biden, they're trying to redirected towards Biden and his pedophilic tendencies to touch Children in like you know inappropriate location and all this stuff and it's like it's like okay so you're saying trump doing it and his friends doing it's okay but you shouldn't vote for biden because he also does it, that makes no sense. And and it's it's very strange how people accepted like that or like how trump you know, is saying oh mask are okay and people now are okay kind of winning mask now, it's like like are you seriously gonna follow a dude who has, well, a political background or someone who has a doctoral background for multiple, multiple decades, you know? Right? No 100% agree with you have everything you said. It's I don't understand it. It's laughable in my opinion. But that's that's what we get though. Um I think from just having a vast source of the internet, people can read what they want to believe and that's all they're gonna read about. And I feel I feel like they're not gonna I don't want to say the truth, you know? But like actually just brought in the horizon. But that's what I know as a, you know, as as from what I know, but and like even like my dad's like 64 now, like, like I don't get how my dad's more well knowledge and like renews, but the other six year olds, they think it's fake. It's not real. It's I don't, from, from my perspective, I don't understand it, you know?

Uh huh. God. Uh huh Yeah. Right, yep. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Mhm. Yeah, yep. Yeah, yeah,


same,


That's it. Yeah.


Yeah, it's frustrating, especially like you said when they have like different, they won't apply the same things to both people um and each time they go, but what about this person doing it? It's like, so does that like you said, does that make it okay? Are you justifying it because my guy did it first? Like what the hell? Why can't both be a bad thing or can both be a good thing or something? But yeah, just these weird standards that people um aren't applying to trump, I just, it's weird, I just never, I'm not like I haven't been around on this earth like forever, like my late thirties, but this is just weird, like I've never seen anything this weird before and it's just because of a lack of logic and reason and uh


No, I completely agree with you and you know like I'm glad that like you actually have that same like realization because I'm like is there other people like me that realized like this is so weird? Like how how can you justify one thing but not accept the other thing? It makes no sense. Or like how can you justify that? The coronavirus is just for the election. It will go away after the election. Like, like so how can it impact the whole world? But it's just for the United States election. Like this makes no sense at all. This makes no sense at all. Like and but like oh when I get it, I know it's real and I should tell everyone but but when I don't have it it's fake. It makes no sense. And like I understand people are saying it's the same thing as I'm not sure if you heard, but like apparently in like the whole mask situation is the same thing as a seatbelt situation. Apparently in the eighties And 90s people are saying that it's the same thing, but like why should I you know where seat belts, it's not gonna like, is it for me it's for someone else, It's the same thing with mask and I'm like, but there's a difference. You know, one is a car accident and this is a pandemic where you breathing can kill someone. It's you know, so

yeah, yeah. Mhm. Right. Yeah, yeah, yep. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah.


You


it's


know actually, oh go ahead. Sorry,


No, no, it's okay. I was done.


I actually you can actually take that car thing even further because people go, well I'm not wearing a mask because I don't care if I get sick and it's and the same people would be like, I'm not wearing a seat belt because I don't care if I die when I crash, but it's like the both of those things affect other people and just like a car crash, if you don't wear a seatbelt and you get thrown in your car, loses control, hurt somebody else and people have been ejected out of windshields and been okay and then they lightly tap a car and that person like it killed them, so it it doesn't even make sense. Oh, and then like, so if we have masks, why do we need social distancing? It's like a car has breaks in a seat belt and an airbag and like all of these things it really is a good


What?


comparison and just shows how people are afraid of just change and


And


not knowing


thanks.


other people because they I mean I admit it I've lived in a fairly white bubble my whole life but and I've traveled a decent amount and this might sound dorky but I just really love to watch movies um and T. V. Shows and documentaries and everything because it's like that's something that's like a slice of life from somebody else or this is a story that somebody came up with in their head and they're sharing that with everybody and just Just that and just knowing like people do not, I should say it the other way I don't have to deal with like 90% of the crap a lot of people deal, so I'm fortunate in that regard, but I'm not delusional, that my experiences everybody else's and um we all just have different problems and things that affect us. And I used to work uh like in customer service and like I used to work in a video store and people would come in and get bent out of shape about like a dollar late fee or something like that. And it was somebody I wish I could remember who said it to me, but somebody said you know that person is not mad about that dollar, there's something else that they're upset about and they want to have control over this one thing just to feel stable and I'm like, oh my god, that makes that makes perfect sense. And so I try to give people a little bit of um cut him some slack and everything, but the ones who were just actively out to care for themselves.


The Karens of the world.


Yes. The karens. That's right. Oh


Yeah.


man. Yeah.


Yeah. No, I 100% agree with everything you said it. I it's like, you know, there's like, yeah, like, I think the same way, it was like sometimes people don't wear masking like a story and I'm like, okay, is there a reason behind it? But most, you know, definitely the benefit of doubt. But like if there's a reason why you're not wearing a mask, why are you even going to the store in the first place?


Oh absolutely. Yeah, no I agree to man, it's nice being smarter and better than other people know,


No,


I'm just getting


it's it's just, I just don't get how like we can rationalize these things out, you know, yet other people have the same information, have access to the same the internet just like we do the same sources of information, but they can't make that connection is in I understand that, you know, America is more of a individualistic community society at the same time. Like we America United States was founded based on, you know, unity and community efforts, not individualism. So it's like, it's very, it's i it's and I'm like, look just like you I'm fortunate I'm in a bubble where no, I am surrounded by people who have seen beliefs that me and are more self aware so I can't understand certain things and very I just I just don't understand how people can just justify like that. But and it's just it's just so strange and like I'm like, I don't know like when it comes to politics, it's just like, you know, both sides has bad aspects, but like when you have a president who is not taking a pandemic seriously that just said something about you know, where we are as a nation. But that's that's how I perceive it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Mhm.


No


It's just


it's true.


and like like are you working like what are you just staying at home? Yeah.


I'm sorry, I I thought you were saying like to trump are you working? And I was like yeah, no


um well see and this is another reason why I'm really double fortunate a couple of years ago, I just pretty much crashed on office work and I've been doing it for years and I just crashed and my wife said like well I can support both of us, why don't you write because that's what you want to do? Um So I did I wrote a novel and I'm editing it right now, so I haven't made a Penny yet. Um But I have, I can also say I'd never worked that hard in my life, like it was just daily working on something and I I ended up with this like, 600 page beast of a novel that I'm trying to like hack through and slim down, but um man, so I'm double fortunate. Um and and I know like not everything works out the way we act, you know, planned for and whatever, but but my wife and I are just trying to be aware of like, where things can go. Maybe maybe her job may or may not be stable, you know, the people at her work don't take this stuff seriously. Um But she gets to work from home fortunately, which is, which is good, makes both of us relieved. Um But yeah, so that's like I said, I'm really fortunate to be doing what I like to do and hopefully it I make some money someday.


All


But I just wrote it because it's something I would want to read, I'm like that's how I always feel a watch or read something and I go that person I think that that's meant for me you know and just little things that you can take away from and and um how that stuff affects you and build builds your personality and obviously like storytelling and stuff doesn't make up a whole person. But um I just really like it because it tells me um something about somebody different I guess. So


What genre is that


that's a very good question. Uh So it's uh it's fiction


section?


uh and it's like adventure, horror comedy. Um And do you know who H. P. Lovecraft is?


That sounds so familiar but


He's the guy who back in like the 20s and 30s he came up with like Kahului and the neck or not.


yeah. Yeah. Okay that's why it sounds when they were Okay.


so I really love dogs. So I made talking dogs and a couple of cats and these people in their little neighborhood like the heroes and there's this giant like other world lead creepy monster thing who is may or may not be indestructible is trying to get dogs so that he can build an army to overtake people and when you know dogs are loyal, so the dogs are like no we're not going to do that. And so it's like a big there's all kinds of crazy crap in it. I I could take an hour just describing the premise but maybe that's not good. Um But yeah I just I really like horror, I really like funny horror, adventure is great and then you know there's of course like sad stuff, it has stakes, it's not just goofy all the way through, so um But yeah, I don't know who will read that, but I'm happy that I finished at least, so


Well that's good though and I guess then after you finished revising and adding it, are you like is it the plan just post it on publish it like independently or like?


you know, I'm not um I'm not sure, I've looked at a few Um publishing houses around here and there's one when I was looking for stuff, I actually found the exact genre that I guess I would call my book, which is bizarro fiction, it has um like really over the top, like gore and violence, but you really care about the characters, and I'm like, whoa, perfect. And there's um in Portland, there's this um publishing house that does that genre specifically, but their books are generally between like 100 and 200 pages or something like that, they're pretty short, but mine's a epic, crazy thing. That's part of my thing


I


that I won't cut it down that far if that took off with that publishing house, that'd be great. But I'm pretty sure I'm just going to like self publish online and um I try and market it, I hate that word though. Um try and market it all from home now, where I was kind of thinking about maybe I could go to like comic Cons and get a table and sell it stuff like that, but I think right now it's unfortunately going to be word of mouth I assume, but That step 10 7000 one step 12 Something. So


Yeah. I'm just curious because I know I've I've read a lot of stuff on how like there's like should you go with publishing companies or should yourself publishing the benefits and eggs on both sides? Oh yeah, I was just curious and it looks like you know, you've definitely you went like you flogged and stuff so that's good.


It's still, you know um knowing very, I think I know one or two people who have actually like published something, but I'm kind of, you know, the good side about the internet is I can go find people who know things are, you know, there's tons of stuff on Youtube about the pros and cons. Um like you said, so yeah, I don't, I don't really know yet. Um, I wish I had a little bit more guidance, but I'll get there I think once it's actually cut down enough and I can have an editor give it a proper read over instead of like my second character, whatever. So, uh yeah, it's been fun. It's been weird and I'm I'm very proud of myself for doing it and that doesn't happen very often.


I mean, Hey, I wouldn't be able to write 600 pages of like anything, so that's


But


amazing though.


you have, you have all those like pharmaceuticals and all that information in your head, right? So


Yes. Way way too much stuff. Yeah.


Yes.


Way too much stuff. But yeah, that's true. And poet, you know, I'm assuming you have a title for this, this uh this novel. Right,


yeah. It's going to be called The Dogs of Westbury Port and I'm in Oregon. And so I made like a fictional town on the west coast, like a beach town. And even that


correct.


is like, it's like a little play on a Lovecraft story called The Cats of All Far, and it's this really short story about like, the cats go missing in this town and nobody knows where they went until they show up, but you should look it up if you want the Cats of All Far, and it's probably like a five minute read. Um But so my title was kind of like a little play on that. Yeah, so


I mean that's I mean, hey, every author has their influences so when the companies are writing so definitely


yeah, and that's part of my novel to as multiple characters are like, pop culture obsessed. So they're dropping references left and right. And I started wondering like, maybe there's too much of that, but I just started watching psych recently and I'm like,


my God, such a good show.


is so I started I'm like, look at all the I think I'm gonna be okay in my book because they're constantly dropping references. I just watched Tuesday the 17th, which was a lot of fun. It was like the Friday


I'm


the 13th ounce


Do


off.


you do you play Spot the pineapple or no? Okay.


few things, right? It's kind


What?


of um crap fist bump, there's always a fist bump and I feel like there's a couple of things people say in every episode, like I can't do this right now or something.


I didn't know that. I know it's always a pineapple in every episode, and like you said the title, it's always a play on on something. It was it was a good show. Um They have one movie and there's going to be another movie coming up.


Oh, I saw that. It's coming out this year, Something like that. Right? Yes,


I grew I grew up with it.


that's


Very good. Yeah,


I just started season four and I think there's eight seasons, if that's right, but I've been mowing through it and it's been great, it's been a lot of fun.


it's uh for a like a pandemic tv show,


perfect.


It's a good one, It's a perfect one. So much comedy.


totally. I watched or I rewatched I guess v for vendetta last night. Um And it's sort of I hadn't watched in a few years and it's sort of shocking how much of that is, like, more realistic than it used to be when I first watched. It's like, oh, man, I hope we never live in a fascist state like this. And then it's like the news is lying about stuff and it's all about control. There's a virus spread in the world that killed like 100,000 people. Uh There's a civil war in the United States, like it's just nuts. So, I that ended, I'm like, okay, time for psych made me feel a lot better. So

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah and it's funny how like you know like you said that like it's like we have movies or like references that these things might happen to our society but you know it's just you wouldn't think it happens but apparently does the United States.


yes, it does, unfortunately.


Yeah, but nice like thanks a good show, the watches here off, especially when there's like nothing new right now because like no production studios are filming or anything. Yeah, I haven't been watching anything. Uh huh


I watch too much stuff. Um But it is kind of funny noticing the shows that are obviously being like uh maybe not produced, but they're doing like the post production work on it because a lot of people are using stock footage now, and I feel like and call that stuff out. I'm like, wow, that's generic stock footage. I've seen that one before, so


That's funny because yeah, you're right. I think I've noticed in a lot more advertisements so lately because you can't no one is going to be doing that. Yeah, that's funny. Well that's a good thing to point out. Yeah. Uh huh.


But all right man. I think we We hit 25 minutes. Unless there do you want to talk about?


I mean I'll be honest right now, I wish we could talk longer, but I have a project do that I've been protesting on so I


Well,


actually need to complete that.


yeah, no worries. Well, I was gonna say if you want to I can give you my email or my facebook thing if you want to shoot me a message sometime or told you though.


I'm in uh facebook would be fine and I really don't I don't use it often, but it's definitely something and definitely I can write it down,


Sure. So my first name is L. O. U. And uh it's Freetown F. As in frank R. I. T. O. N. People using this video for academic research please just blank out what I said right there. Thank you.


All


So yeah. Yeah.


No, I actually will add you after this, but yeah,


on


it's nice, it's definitely is this your second time? First time? Third time talking we're doing this study or?


this is my second time.


Okay, this is my third time and


on.


yeah, it's been pretty great, so I'm not sure if they're doing this on purpose, but like all three of them are more less leaning when it comes to the political spectrum and it's been more tailored towards, you know, no, just similar characteristics. So now if you're doing this the third time I'm assuming, so get someone similar to me or someone even better. But yeah it's been


No,


definitely not talking to you lou.


you too dan. I appreciate it. Well, good luck on your project and uh well, hopefully chat soon


Yeah, no worries. And you good luck in your book. Hopefully


and


I see it. You know, probably maybe on amazon or maybe a new york's best seller. We'll see.


hopefully I need to knock on. There we go. So All right, well, you take care to talk to you soon


yep. Here we go away.


Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Mhm Yeah. Uh huh. Mhm Yeah. Mhm Howdy.


I just. How's it going? Can you hear me?


can you hear me?


Yes I can just wanted having trouble during work earlier. I'm like oh God don't break.


That was me yesterday. I did one of these interviews and I couldn't get audio for like


yikes


five solid minutes. I was like what is happening? It's so frustrating.


and I don't get it because microphones and webcams they'll work one minute and then literally the next minute they just stop there's no rhyme or reason you're like okay what is different about this? Six last 60 seconds?


I am super glad my kids don't use it for school and I'm super happy about that. Like I've seen so many people real stressed out about doom and all that stuff.


yeah we we have teams for my work and luckily we don't need to video conference very often but we do call through teams a lot especially cause I'm training a new person and it's always a little bit of a roll of the dice. Like is it gonna work? Probably.


From


But


what do you do?


I


No


work in customer service in a billion department for an insurance company. So I basically


that


spend all day telling people yes you have to pay your bill. No it's not optional. No I can't


well


change the amount etcetera etcetera.


wow, that sounds horrible


I mean it's better than


and


what I Jill so everything is better than that. But yeah I would really enjoy getting out of customer service at some point in the next, I don't know decade would be an improvement. What


I mean at least


about


you


you?


have job security now though like.


That's true. I do have lots of job security and I can't discount that. I've been employed the entire time despite the pandemic. Um And I get to work from home full time currently so that's awesome. I


Yeah.


don't ever


What


want to go back to the office. Although it it'll happen eventually. I'm sure


theoretically, where are you from?


I'm originally from Illinois right now. Live in Iowa.


Right on my, one of my best friends on the salon in Iowa and what the hell is it called? Urban something she does amazing hair products. Like she moved from, I'm from new york and she moved from here to Iowa, I was like of all places why Iowa. No idea.


I Iowa for college and I just ended up really liking it. So I went home for a little bit to Illinois but then I was like everything is so much cheaper to move back. But yeah I can't imagine living somewhere like new york and going to the middle like smack dab in the middle of the country


I mean to be fair though like the new york that we live in was super rural,


and


like it's not


look at


new york city,


me


it's definitely like upstate, you know,


fair enough.


New york unfortunately is not all awesome. Like most of it is far and the occasional mountain, you know


yeah, fair enough.


everyone.


I was all farm aside from, I think there's three cities, four I guess. But for the most part we're all farm,


Oh it's not the worst or at least it's peaceful.


it can be. Yeah. And I mean I live in a fairly populous city, so it's not so bad. I the driving is so you have to drive everywhere basically. Like if I want to go see my family have to drive, it's so boy. But other than so bad and it is kind of central, at least of the things I need, so I can kind of get wherever I need to go, which is nice.


It's weird how you like find that no matter where you go like you'll find a spot like okay, this is gonna be my restaurant, this is going to be like the thing that I do all the time. Like this place has palatable coffee. Like you find what you need. I feel like wherever you go,


definitely. I think that's true. You, I think it's like the human nature to nest or whatever. You just, you're like, okay, I like this feeling from this place. This is my spot.


currently that is my house and I would love to not leave it anytime in the near future.


I'm with you there. I mean like I know that a lot of people are taking the most mostly isolation tough, but not me. I'm like, oh my God, I don't have to leave and people aren't going to be like, man, you have a problem. Yes, this is my dream.


I've trained my whole life for this. Like I have bookshelves, I have video games, like I am okay, you know?


Right. I'm missing way. I'm like, okay, I have the internet. We had a bad storm not too long ago and then I didn't and then it was kind of painful. But now I have the internet. I have my books have been movies and video games. I don't have to interact with humans unless I want to like


it's


from


beautiful.


it's perfect.


I'm not really mad about it. And I kind of feel bad because you have all those extroverts friends who are like, this is my nightmare,


Like it's so hard. It's so trouble. And I'm like, oh yeah, that really sucks. I'm sorry. You feel that way. Yeah.


Like I can get whatever food


I


feel


want to


like


deliver to my house now. Like, this is amazing. I've been waiting for this, you know?


right now I'm definitely with you there. I didn't, I wasn't particularly outside before that, but I mean we went out, you know? But mostly my boyfriend went out, we would just go drive around or we would go out to eat or something. Like I am perfectly happy driving around and picking up the food and bring it all instead


That one,


and not having to deal with too many other people.


if you take me to to different spots to pick up food, like we're golden. That is my ideal date. Pick me up the job, like the java shake from Arby's and like anything else. We're good. Okay. It's not too bad. My husband's the same way. We don't really like party. You know what I mean? Like we'll go out here and there and like if our friends are going out to the bar will hang out for a little while, but it's not my thing. I would much rather be home.


say I'm the same and my boyfriend, he's fairly extroverted, but he doesn't like big intense things. He'd much rather do, like a few people playing board games at the house or so he was upset for a few things we missed, we missed our friend's birthday because it literally got canceled and we missed her wedding got rescheduled. But like other than that, he's like whatever, he


hey.


misses having board game days, but like theoretically if we masked up and stuff, it wouldn't be the end of the world.


Right. What do you guys play for? Board games? No, I'm in because I have quite the collection. Like


We


I'm committed now.


uh yeah, we have an entire like plastic garage shelf, like the dangerous to organize a graduate of an entire one filled with board games and we've got a little bit of everything. We have stuff you've never even played before because I got him a board game subscription for his birthday slash christmas one year.


Oh, I love that


But we got like 4-5 new games a month on just different themes. Like sometimes we're small card games, some of our big board games and so we haven't even played half of them. We actually, we should really go through them and decide what we actually want and what we don't because like it's been over two years, we haven't even touched some of them. They're completely brand new.


you guys played munchkin at all.


Uh Yeah, we have a couple of those actually, I used to play those a lot when I was in college I had some friends who had like four versions and every time


No,


party we'd break out those uh


there's that every college, I swear to God, like every single college party I've ever been to. There's always that group of kids. That's like I have every edition of munchkin ever made and I know all the rules. My heart. Let's go.


I'm not quite that dedicated but no we definitely have munchkin. Uh Got


but


my favorite is probably a board game called Arabian Nights, have you ever heard of that?


no, but I'm interested.


Okay, so you have to like games that require a little bit of setup but basically then choose your own adventure story set in like the story of the Arabian Nights, kind of you pick from like one of six characters and you have a specific question trying to accomplish. But then each new place you go, you get kind of like side quests that you can and you you basically you have to choose your action so they give you a table uh and you choose your action from that table and then someone else reads the result of what happens to you. So it's really just, it's really random and I've played it probably 14 or 15 times and I've never had the same story twice. Like I don't even think I've seen someone have my story before. Like it's just


That's


it's


crazy.


very a lot of fun. It does require a bit of setup though and you have to have at least like four people because you pass the books around so that you can't get a hint of what your result would be. But I like choose your own adventure games a lot. And that one's a lot of fun.


I feel like that definitely feels a lot to me like the video games I play, so I would probably love that under hurry. You


I


know


like choose your adventure video against too. So yeah, it's kind of right up my alley.


what are the odds you play? Elder scrolls online?


I don't play online, I have played before, but I've never played online. I don't so my boyfriend is much more into video games than I am. He dominates the station more so than I do. But I will I I do like owner scrolls though. He bought that one just for fun and I played it and not him. So.


it's super fun. And it's a time killer too. Like you can just get lost and wandering these worlds and like picking flowers, which I do sometimes I'm like really need to like decompress, let's go wander the fields in some fantasy world. You know what I mean? Like?


Yeah, absolutely not.


Plus it's so hard to fuck good to player board games. Like we've been struggling so hard to find something that For two people but still fun and like challenging.


Uh So it Target has a target has to choose your own adventure board game that sci fi themed. They borrow a lot from Star Trek and Star Wars like very thinly too. The main characters is a princess or a queen on her home planet and one of the story options, her home planet gets destroyed while she's watching. So


come on.


like one time you can land your you can land your ship on what you think is a lake or a patch of like mossy land and spoil and it's a big monster so they borrow heavily. But it that one you can do with two people and it's because you just play multiple characters are four characters. If you don't have four people you just each take two. And so that's a lot of fun. It's remember what it's called. I think it's literally called choose your own, choose your adventure and then it has a


Looks


step.


like we cover those books. Right? I've definitely seen that at Target. We tried to


that


play,


was good. Do we also have like a haunted house version? But we didn't like that one as much?


We tried to play the Oregon trail with two people recently and it literally played for 10 minutes. Died like 17 times. I was like this is not even like this game is not awesome at all. I thought it would be better than computer but it's not.

Yeah. Right. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah we we bought the Oregon trail game too. But yeah with only two people it's just very it's too challenging like you have to be you also want to have a chance to win with two people. There's just I think it's going to be like what one in a million to win with only two


There's


like


it's not even worth it. Like we um I bought Labyrinth and I really loved that. Labyrinth is a super game. I


that's


don't know if you've ever seen it, it's like so you have the board and it's all


And remember?


a bunch of moving squares and you have one square that you have to use to push the other squares out of the way and basically like undo to get to certain cards. It's actually really awesome. It's a good strategy game,


It's


sounds


pretty


good,


basic


I


but it's


like that


time.


one out. Mhm


It's It's like $40 on Amazon now I bought it for like 20 and I don't know why it's so expensive. Now I just recently looked at it to buy for someone else, I was like yeah okay.


My guess is that people liked it. They Right.


it's like that I've been wanting to try ticket to ride because they look awful, they


they


look


deal


like


with


they're,


girl.


there's so many options. Do they have like a bunch of different like add ons for it too, I think.


Yeah I like games that do the expansions is I like I like building up the world even bigger. Yeah


Why don't you just put me in here?


we do we do you play


I was like at this point like you're already there. Yeah.


we do you play D. And D. Ooh that's a good game. Have you ever heard of Expedition?


No.


Okay so order from amazon, I'm not even kidding do it, it is DND but in card form and they have this entire database online of these stories that people just write and submit of storylines you can follow. So basically you the cards come and they have all these different characters you can choose. Uh and then you also choose traits and so like there's a plus trait in the minus trait. So that kind of it affects how you do things. But then yeah you like you just go on these virtual stories that are on their free app and you make your decisions just like in DND except you don't have to go through all the creating a character and buying all the items and stuff. So they get


that's


much


literally the best part.


if that part is fun. But this is it's a lot of fun even if you like traditional DND because it's a little bit more fast paced and you can just kind of get right into it and there's and I like the part where people can kind of just write their own stories and put it in and you just follow along with the app then you can play it on your own completely. It can be a one person game where you can play it with like eight people.


Oh, I love that. That would be great


We


actually.


Yeah, we have a board game days with friends and we brought it to one pre pandemic obviously just so they can try it out because the this other couple were playing with their also into Dnd and no joke. We played one round and then we played in the whole rest of day for 14 straight hours because we're having so much. And um some of the creators, they do like multiple part stories, which is a lot of fun and


That


you do items and stuff too, but you get it a little bit more organically, like, you know, as it comes through with the uh with the stories, but no expeditions, a lot of fun. And they have an expansion now they added tech stuff uh so that you can like, you can combine magic and tech now, which is a lot of fun. They also added skills. You can you get the opportunity when you level up to either uh like swap out um abilities that your character has or you can get these things called skills I think is what they're called, like gives you a bonus to certain checks because you still have to do roll checks and stuff like that, like you have different cards which like I usually pay an archer and you have different cards that allow you to do things like take a shot for five damage and stuff like that, you have to roll on, you know and pass all of these things and so the skills can help you pass your role checks and stuff.


How crazy is it that in 2020


Well


we can find other


three.


adults that play d. and D like this easily. I love that.


me too. We've been trying to find, we were prepared and trying to find a good group here. We've got a friend who we play with but we keep we keep running into drama filled DND groups and I'm kind of like, dude, we're in our thirties. Can we?


And we're also all playing D and D. Like, are you kidding?


hmm. Can we, can we skip this part? Because like I was able to put up with a certain amount of it in college when I first started, but I'm like, I'm too old for this. Can't we just play the game and move on with our lives and just play the game,


people are crazy man. Like I've just been 31 and I feel like I have younger


I


friends and I just don't want to live that life. It's so hard. Like it's emotionally exhausting. My friends stuff will literally called me and just tell me about her


no,


life and I'm like I'm tired. Like what are you doing? I'm tired for you. Like living vicariously through you is exhausting. Like


what? No, I'm definitely with you. I have have some older friends and I have some younger friends but you have the younger friends, they talk about their lives and I'm like, you do all of that. You go through all of that. I'm like why you're


what was


stop.


yourself


But I keep telling people, I like getting older. I'm just, I just turned 32 of everyone's like, you're gonna hate being 30 you're going to go through it really bad. I'm like, are you kidding me, thirties awesome. And they're like, well it'll probably hit you at 31 once you realize you're officially out of your twenties, I'm like, Dude, I am a 90 year old woman, I am aging into my personality, this is fine. Like


I've committed


and


today.


I am one year closer to being able to yell at kids to get away from my house and dress up like a witch for Halloween and make people think my house is haunted you around. Like


I'm


love that here


how


for


much


it.


coffee to my goal? Mm


I wish more people would like that. My neighborhood sucked for Halloween. Like nobody put up lights like it was so lame. I feel like I remember when I was a kid, it was such a huge deal. You'd have people like wandering the neighborhood with baked


I just


knives, like scaring the shit out of kids and now it's just so boring


it is. And I'm like, what is wrong? Where is the joy you people like, I know we're all getting older, but it isn't part of getting older finding joy in something like, Halloween is the best. It's my it is the only holiday, it's the best holiday because you get candy, you can dress up however you want and it's totally acceptable and it doesn't have the same family pressure that like christmas or thanksgiving.


world commitment


Like Exactly, like you can do it if you want to stay home and do nothing to watch horror movies, you can you want to stay home and do nothing but watch other movies. You can, if you want to go out dressed up as something crazy, you can like it's the happiest holiday.


followed up by the two most stressful holidays of the year though. That's the, you start on such a high note and it just like declines.


it's true that that is the danger of Halloween, is that like, if you really get into it like I do then Yeah, it's immediately followed by everyone shoving thanksgiving and christmas down your throat and your like, stop, I just want to ride the Halloween high for just eight or nine more months. That's it. Like


I went into Michael's and they had christmas shit like at the beginning of october and I was like,


word.


I'm quitting. This is dumb.


It's


I don't want this


so dumb. I can't stand it. I'm like, okay guys, fine, november 1st break, break out the christmas stuff, whatever, but like come on, you gotta gotta hold off until after Halloween. Let us enjoy october


seriously. And I like, I'm in upstate new york. Fall is real here. Like we have actual seasons all year round where like I can actually enjoy fall, Let me have it. I don't need to know it's gonna suck when it happens and really be shitty. It gets to like negative 30 where I live like no exaggeration, negative 30


Yeah, I'm jealous. You guys get actual seasons because for us fall typically last like two weeks and that's it. And then, and it shouldn't be, but it just seems like it gets worse. It like fog gets shorter every single year drives me a little bit bonkers spring to this year. Like we had like two weeks of nice weather after winter and then it wrapped it up to like 80. I'm like, what


nothing


is happening?


more.


No.


I don't want 80 is not for me.


I don't want extremely extreme cold. I just want, I want my fallback.


If we could do follow you around, I have googled this literally and northern California is your best bet.


interesting.


Their temperature is like 57.


Perfect.


That's what I'm saying. Like I could live,


What? Right. And I have to try and talk my boyfriend into that. He won't because his parents are in Wisconsin, but that's my ideal situation or I keep trying to convince him we should move to the mediterranean. And he's like, it's not, it's not that hot on the water. Like the water keeps it pretty temperate. Like you would like that weather.


so what does he do?


One of their is 30° so he isn't nobody star. Yeah, he likes winter. I'm like, what is wrong with


my


you?


winter


double my driveway guy. Like yeah dude,


Sure.


you don't like winter until you're like, I don't


Well.


know, I can't imagine a human being that actually enjoys winter because I've lived with it my whole life. Like I'm originally from Buffalo which obviously worst rap for winter mood farther upstate and it's colder and crappy er with less to do. I'm like, this


Very.


is not ideal at all.


I think he runs really warm so and he doesn't like being uncomfortable. So I think that's it. But I'm like, that's no excuse. And


No,


also


you go outside.


you're not as warm as you think you are calm down.


I just need the lack of like enjoyable activities.


And


I don't want to go out. I don't snowmobile. Like I've never even been on a snowmobile Any length of time outside. Sopes like a bad plan for me if it's below like 45.


yeah, like I used to enjoy sledding as a kid and I think sometimes like, okay, I would maybe enjoy that again. I mean, I just, well, it's like my perfect winter is it stays, You know, above 45 and doesn't


I know.


know how and then all of a sudden for late two days it snows a lot that I happen to have off really great point, happen to have off work and then I can go back and then it goes away, it melts


I


and


love them.


real life.


I kind of love that though. Like that would be ideal though because after christmas happens, I'm like, okay, we can be done now. Like I have that


Like I see the benefit of a white christmas, I'll concede people that are like, you know, I could even put up with two weeks of snow around christmas, you know, after it for kids who have christmas break they want, you know, so you can play outside or whatever, but then, you know, let's just melt that down. Bring back a little bit of the warmth extends for an in fall. Yeah,


Dude shoveling out six ft of snow from my driveway


probably.


is in no way fun literally ever. And I hate it. So two weeks it's fine for me.


Right. Yeah, No, I can't, we're still in apartments and I mean at least there's, although this department's pretty good, they put out salt for us. Last department only did sand. I don't mean to happen so I didn't really understand their thought process there, but that was a pain, but this one is pretty good, but I don't


Our


miss


community


you.


literally put out like giant, like those steel barrels full of like sand salt mix just on the corner for people to like grab because it's just so important and they really encourage you like salting the sidewalks and shit. So they're like on every corner in like the village I live in so people theoretically will salt, but


But


it's a super


hmm.


small towns, like a ton of kids walk to school so there, that's why they like crazy about it.


Well, yeah, I mean that makes sense like, oh God, I remember when I was in college, we were, my campus was on a giant hill, like


Of course.


going up the hill downhill, uphill, downhill all the time. They would only stand exclusively sand. I'm like, what is wrong with you? Salt is not that expensive. Like for the amount of tuition or pain, you can at least salt


That


it


was no


like


state


I'm going into a lot of debt. Dammit salt fall down a giant hill and break something.


paid off last year paid off last year. Dude,


I've


it feels


been


so


writing,


good.


what was that


It feels so good to be finally done,


first? I believe that it does. I will probably at this point I feel like I'll never be done. But so I had to stop part the way through because I ran out of money. So it's just kind of been sitting there waiting for me because I wasn't able to get a better job to pay it off easier. So now I'm back in school hoping


jesus.


to finish and then I should theoretically have enough money to pay it off in a timely fashion. But


I don't


if


hate


that just


that.


I missed my goal is just to die with it because I can't make, I'm not married and I don't have any Children, can't make someone else pay it. There's a little and so Michael is to get a better, get a good accountant job so I can pay it off and if that doesn't fall through, I'm gonna die with it so that someone else has to waive it.


I kind of love that though. Mine got paid


What,


off because they took my entire tax return. So yeah,


No.


I mean like it hurt at the time, but now


but


that it's gone


you know, you feel amazing, you're like, it's not over my head, it's a miracle.


right the day that had happened, I was like, what do you mean? I don't get a tax return this year Like this physically hurts me but like wait okay so


Oh


now I don't have somebody calling me all the time being like I need all of the money that you possibly make the end. I ended up going to school for philosophy and then becoming a chef. So all of that money I spent intuition was literally garbage


Yeah. The money I spent previous to this was worthless because I was a history major, I was going to teach and then Didn't finish and now I've gone two billion in accounting. But accounting has a much less annoying career prospects than teaching so can't


probably


complete.


again more stable


Yeah, and if I can stay with my current company, they'll keep paying for it right now, they're paying for my degree, they reimburse me as long as I get an A in entirety if I get to


that


be there


war


percent. So theoretically I can finish this whole accounting degree if I can stay with them and not essentially not pay for very much of it. So that works for me.


or make it definitely take it. My husband's boss, he works for a dentist, ended up paying for his schooling to like finish dentistry


Well,


school. It was awesome. I for that I am here for employers actually doing a thing right?


If


and


you're


it's


not going


such


to pay me.


raw, such a huge draw.


yeah did we


I'm


make it


just uh yeah, looks like we we hit 25 exactly. I know


donald?


they say we should. Yeah, that would really quick. Probably gives me a lot in common, but it's actually been


Dude, I've had way more painful conversations with people like


absolutely the 1st 1st I talked to asking


that.


questions like he didn't really engage much and I'm like, okay, I'm struggling to find anything we have in common here like, but also we can start something happening and said asking questions luckily I had some ready but I just kept going on my list.


Dude I had like this 50 year old Asian guy who barely spoke English from Florida and I was like, I'm dying. I


What?


what can we talk about? Dude? Like I got nothing please. You are kind of And he was just in


And


this like weirdly militant room. I'm like this is so creepy. I hate every second of this. I'm just going to talk as much as I can and get that money like


All right. Just going to keep this going, keep us going, come


staring at the


help


clock.


finish this and get paid position


Right? All right, what was nice talking to you


nice tonight. Do you do?


later?


Yeah. Yeah, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Hello.


Hi.


Good, how are you?


Not too bad. Oh.


Is it nighttime where you are? Mhm.


no. Dinner time White. Yeah.


It's around 9:45 where I am?


Okay. We're about are you


Um in the east coast of the United States Georgia.


West Coast? Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Um I'm not really sure what,


we're


how women


supposed


together.


to be talking about, Yeah, I thought


What?


it said something about questions. Uh huh. No, I didn't see any. Um


Um


yeah, so


Yeah,


I work in with nonprofits, what do you do?


I'm a medical researcher.


Mhm. Oh, that's interesting,


Mm. So what area of um


like.


what you and I think you're kind of profit um Kind


It's


of charitable cause


like for art and dance um


fucking


for kids, Yeah. Mhm.


Yeah. I


Yeah.


used to live in Australia and there was always a lot of commotion about how there's not enough funding for the arts I think


Same here


about


in the


my


States.


appreciation or that kind of stuff.


How


And


long were you in Australia?


I grew up in Australia. I'm relatively us actually,


Yeah. So how long have you been to the, in the U. S.


but you know.


Okay. So pretty very recently actually, yeah.


Well,


Is your family still in Australia?


Mhm. Yeah. Everyone back in Australia. I just moved over here for a job. Mhm. Yeah. Um So how long have you been in the U. S.


Oh, I was born here, so yeah, my whole life, mm hmm.


Um How long are you? Haven't you been on your current organization?


Not too long either about, I only started in january, so it's only been like about five months. And of course it was interrupted by the whole covid crisis. So are you stable still able to work remotely?


because I do um biomedical research. Some of my aspect is essential for the union. Yeah. Mhm.


Uh


How about yourself?


I've been doing remote some remote stuff but it's hard to do a lot of this stuff I would do um Normally so there's just less work ST


Uh what's the bu based in,


Atlanta. How about you?


I'm in California. Northern


And


California. Yeah.


I have a friend who works in um at the shell um power grid for the shell um whatever the shell facility and near san Francisco and his work is also essential. Yeah. Yeah.


Mhm. The healthy covid situation where you are now.


Um It's okay I mean um thankfully none of my family has gotten sick so that's good. We started um social distancing early just in our family but um I mean you might have heard Georgia is opening up starting to was one of the first states to start opening things up again so but we're not rushing to get out so. Yeah how


Yeah.


about you?


Um California is on the opposite end where we were very early with the shelter in place and I think our governor has been very has been very um cautious, proceed with opening, you know, things like that. But


That's good


actually


though.


hospital and we haven't really been inundated with cases because


you work in the hospital? Okay,


yeah, I think at any one time in my hospital particular we've been had like 10 cases max


Okay, that's good.


mm so nothing like new york. Um I brought some friends who work at the presbyterian Hospital in new york and it's apparently chaos.


Oh wow. Yeah I'm sure it is. I think people here aren't or most people are trying even if they are sick they're trying to not go to the hospital so so you usually end up getting the really critical cases I've heard.


Yeah. And the thing is even if you go to hospital, they're very hesitant to actually test you. But I know someone who ended up having COVID-19 and He went in and they tested him for like 5:16 before they even resorted to COVID testing. Yeah.


they're right, they're looking for other things. Like are you testing negative for the other flu and stuff? I heard that too.


Hopefully things get better soon. Um So did you study in the university?


Yes. Um I studied anthropology and then I went back for public policy. Yes.


Where did


What?


you study?


Uh in Houston? An undergrad at least. Yeah and then in Georgia player, a technical uh Georgia tech. Yeah.


Is texas and Georgia are very different.


Um yeah it's at least Houston and where I'm from are pretty different because there's actually where I went to undergrad, it's it's basically right downtown and they have um, they have good like public transportation and the university was actually in the medical center, so that was kind of interesting. It was like in the part of the city that um a lot of the hospitals were in. Um and there's the weather is pretty different as well. So I mean what have you liked or what have you noticed that you miss or is different from Australia since you've been here a year?


one of the things you mentioned actually public transport


Hey?


uh public transport in California is absolutely terrible.


Uh huh. That's supposed to be one of the better ones in the country. We just don't value public transport in the United States as much as other countries do. Yeah.


I found out being a very severe lacking aspect, very hard to get around uh like once I got here I think in the first month or so, I was like I need a car, I just can't live without a car within back in Australia, it was very easy to get around with public transport. I say for example if a trip will take you 30 minutes by car, it took public transport, it might be like 40, minutes. Yeah. A trip that would take 20 minutes by car. Take it like two hours


yes. Are you um is there other the buses where you are using um like a tram rails and stuff? Is there in your bark?


as many buses. And there's like And the other thing is this train the trains are really bad and it's run by like four or 5 different companies. So like when you go on one you buy a ticket for that one and you can't use the other system. The one thing that like back where are from with one unified system so we just one ticket and then you use the entire network.

Oh yeah, mm hmm. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah, yep. Yeah.


Yeah that makes more sense. It was it's kind of like that in um I think in a in a few cities in the United States I think D. C. Has a pretty good Um you know 11 card gets you everywhere using the trains and the underground system so. Mhm mm.


Unfortunately I haven't had much chance of trouble here. Was having to use some troubling. But then covid 19 everything telling him. Yes.


there's a lot of good trips I think, I mean there's a lot of good uh if you like spending time in nature, probably a lot of places you could visit in California but now that everyone's on lockdown, I don't know.


Mhm. Any any word from your workplace when you would be able to return to normalcy?


No not really. It minds like a it's like a small organization so it's even um it's a lot of families come in so they're being cautious okay.


there have been you decide to go into that area of non profit. Okay.


I mean kind of accidentally actually because I was more interested in uh natural resources and like natural resources policy and but this organization is one that popped up that was really close to where I live and I knew some of the people who um like go to who our clients there. So how did you end up in your field?


Um So I went to a university in Australia and initially I was going to do medicine, so I went to the university because I got into undergrad and I got a guaranteed place in medicine afterwards. But in my 30 I had a lecture from a fantastic


so


professor


on


who


take me to.


studied, studied muscle stem cell biology and just after the election, I was so fascinated by the hypnotic and he was just such a a charming, he spoke with a lot of passion


The


about his area. So I had a chat to him afterwards and he said, oh so this work in my the first master of my last year and he was like you if you're interested come come to my lab and the second semester give research trial. So I did and I loved it. Um I guess so. Also because like growing up in an asian household, is that pressure to go do medicine? And is that ideas like you should do medicine, cure cancer, cure HIV, whatever else. And like, I think I realized along the way that doctors or physicians aren't, wants to actually find cures for diseases. It, if that's the real reason I wanted to go into that area, then I research and find that for research. That's really the answer. So when I made that realization, it became pretty clear path um from the pursuit of PhD and then at the end of my PhD year, I was offered a position here at stanford and it's hard to say no to.

mhm mm mm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah exactly. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Okay. Yeah.


Yes. Can I just say no to that? Yeah.


Uh, and here I am, I'm doing what's called a postdoctoral fellowship. Some people training for four years. Yeah.


And how far are you into that?


Our first to, well towards the end of it, three more years. Yeah,


that's pretty cool. Uh in my um the underground I went to there were a lot of people who were you know interested in uh the medical fields. So I have a couple of friends also who are one of them just got his PhD and is now doing he's doing research too but he's still in Houston. Um I think he was he was studying uh uh because

mm. Mhm, mm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm.


Yeah.


he's he likes like sports stuff so he was studying C. T. E. S. Um Or like the traumatic brain injuries. Oh um and now works in Houston. Another one of my friends actually did go on to become a doctor but she's in um she's in Alabama Birmingham. So and it's interesting there because they only have that basically they only have that one hospital system. So um I think they're pretty busy with everything that's going on. Um But yeah so do you do do you still do stem cell research? Mhm.

Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.


Um So I specifically look at muscle stem cells. Um I don't know if you know this condition but I looked at one called Duchenne muscular dystrophy, but it's a disease that only um predominant only affects boys and it causes wasting of the muscles, a fatal disease. So patients normally has to come to the disease when between mid twenties thirties. So I'm looking at a way to um it's caused by a defect in one specific gene. I'm looking at a way in which we can take the muscle stem cells from the patient themselves, fix that gene and then put it back into the patient hoping that themselves then eventually replaced the at least enough of the muscle that it becomes functional.


that's pretty cool. Yeah I do like uh it's really medical research and biomedical research is really cool but I was never really a fan of chemistry so I never did it myself. But yeah, talk to it with, I talk about it with my friends sometimes, so. Mhm. Yeah.


Yeah. I just wish like both the us and as well as the Australia would provide more funding biomedical research.


Yeah. It's not like the Flash, the flashy type of thing that people usually like to that really takes most of the funding because it doesn't like produce the huge results that I was like, oh look what we did. You know, his research is that slower and a lot of trial and error. So yeah.


Yeah. But with the uh circumstances around covid 19 I hope people have more of an appreciation of how important science is to be well being of both the economy as well as to individual people.


You could only help. Yeah, we could only hope that it does. But I don't really, I don't know, we'll find out, especially if this is supposed to last until I think now they're saying 20, or something, at least some effects of it and probably longer than that as well. So.


Okay. Yeah. It's kind of been an interesting year. It's been so much chaos. So we started the year with the Iran stuff and then something close to my heart. Bushfires in Syria. That that was crazy. And then now with COVID-19 situation so it's like one after after another.

Yeah. Mhm, mm. Mhm. Oh yes. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,


exactly. Because yeah, I was just looking at someone who was saying, oh I thought, you know, everyone thought that the brush fires was going to be the, you know the story of the year and then Covid happens. So it's just a huge disaster, unexpected disasters to multiple in a row this year, so I don't know.


Yes. I know some people in Australia who were like heavily affected by bushfires And in a way they, they are a bit upset because like there was a lot of attention on it and like directed efforts to help people overcome that situation because of it's been kind of overshadowed by the COVID-19 situation. A lot of these swept under the rug. So now the politicians are really thinking about how to help people um, would come with fires anymore. And then the question is only worse because like if you were like just kind of recover from losing their homes, losing the business and then the COVID-19 situation makes it that much harder to recover.

Oh wow. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,


if it's compounded, that's yeah, that's terrible.


So tell me a bit more about your organization that you work for? Like what kind of area of arts?


Um they do like we do uh theater mostly. So it was basically because it was such a small place, there were a bunch of lessons like you could take and we also worked a lot with home school kids, so kids would come in to take guitar lessons or drum lessons or art classes like visual art and then there are also a bunch of dance classes like um ballet and tap. And also some there were some broadway shows that um that we would put on. And there were also some adult class like those um fitness dance classes for adults as well. But you know the the Children's classes make more money than the adults classes so there's more variety of those. Um But yeah I was I would I just started there like I said so it was kind of interesting. It was it was fun to see all the kids come in um You know and learn learn some new art art programs up until we stopped we stopped coming in.

Oh yeah. Mm. Nice. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.


Yeah. So what kind of age group that is mainly working with?


Well we have um there was there was even we have teenagers so all the way up to high school and then there was also like a couple classes for babies like three and four year olds. That was my favorite


Oh, a lot of very early.


there we call it um what is it called? I think they call it creative movement classes, and but we call it baby ballet, they like come in their little leotards and kind of just bounce around, so that was cute. But yeah, so basically Like three year olds to 18 year olds I guess, and then adults can keep coming.


So how do you get the little ones to focus and like


I


game,


have no idea, thankfully, I didn't have to do that part, but like I think


but


from talking to the instructor who did like sometimes the baby's just don't don't feel like listening one day, so you're just like try to get them to do something, and a lot of the times you see them or they try to like run out to their parents and the parents have to like go back and go back in, so it's just I guess it's just you have more flexible with them, let them run around more.


Yes, I can appreciate that because I'm involved in a program here cause scientist Elementary and what we do is we go to a primary school once a month. So


Good.


we've run experiments for um From Grade one through to six. And I find it really hard to keep the little ones engaged and like listen, like we would teach them a lesson of magnets and we were handing out magnificent. They can play with all of them will be like magnets. I I don't, you never gave me any magnets.


Who do you leave with? Less um Less magazine came in with sometimes?


Yeah. We, we have a lot to make sure that we don't just lose them all.


That's cool. So you do have school outreach or you were doing it? Yeah, that's really fun. Mhm.


Yeah. So we're trying to, I guess get the kids interested in science as early as possible and I guess often that along the way and hopefully we had a new generation of scientists from these guys. I'm


that's


finding


good. That's how you get it done.


a lot of fun. So you don't, you don't run any class with yourself.


No, I don't, I usually I do the like the office management type thing, so I see everybody agree everyone as they come in the door and stuff like that. So I see everyone and then I peek my head in and watch people, but I don't actually teach any of the classes. So. Yeah.


So is it run like five days a week?


Yeah. Yeah, it's one I think we're open on weekends too, so yeah, most days I think just not Sundays and we're not open the whole day most of the days, but it's just whenever there are like most of the classes are like Maybe from 10 to tend to like noon, Then there's like a lunch break and they come back for classes in the, there's some more classes in the evening, so yeah, after, so you give people time to have dinner, have lunch to have dinner and go home and stuff, so Uh huh.


What kind of shows have you run? You mentioned like you would run some broadway shows?


Um let's see this year. Well, they were supposed to be doing uh anne for kids, honk the musical, which I don't think I've actually, I don't think I actually know what that was about. I think it's kind of an ugly duckling story. And then um what was the other 1? The, the teenagers were doing something


What?


called You're in town, which I also haven't seen, so, but it would have been interesting. I looked at the script, so. Yeah.


I'm a bit of a broadway pass. I love um


Yeah,


I


me


saw


too.


wicked and then I just fell in love with it and then uh fast


that's


they offered


his name for me. I saw Wicked is the first, probably the first Broadway one that I saw as well.


it's a, it's a good point to see if your first one is very engaging. It's got that little bit of also it's kind of reminiscent and


so


again,


you kind of know and then it like does twists and turns on you. Yeah, I love that one and I still listen to my like broadway soundtracks, playlists and stuff but and I was supposed to see Hamilton this month but of course that got postponed. So


I don't know if you heard but they kind of go a um completely


I saw, yes, they were supposed to be next year but they were releasing it early, that's good luck at least.


yeah I'm very excited for that


Have you seen it? Mhm,


technically yes


technically.


well one of my friends got a bootleg copy of it taking


I see. Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean, technically, yeah.


but there's something different about seeing a


In person


the first and then just atmosphere but I don't think you can really be counted it yet but I think I'm dying to see, I'm hoping to get to new york to see as fans of the opera.


Ooh, that's probably a really good one, I haven't seen that one,


I've seen the


I've only seen the movie.


I'm not the movie


I


doesn't count Gerard Butler absolutely which is that role I can't wait to make a trip to new york and actually see um see your light and person. Yeah


wow,


yeah


there's so many that I want to see in person. Did you see the Sound HeIM concert that was like two weeks ago or something? It was a tribute to Sound Time.


No I haven't.


It's like a live stream. Let's see. I think it's, it should still be available on Youtube. Just look up um celebration of Sound Time and it's like a bunch of broadway stars


music,


doing like just singing from their house is kind of, it was


all


fun.


that


I put it on in the background while I was doing other work and like would look up for you know favorite people but it was all, all of them are good of course because they're professionals but yeah.


Yeah


Uh huh.


a lot of a lot of the people are trying to engage in different ways now that the actual theaters can be open the photograph for. Andrew Lloyd Webber has a Youtube channel now called the Show Must Go On and each week they do a Lloyd Weber's musical so they've done like phantom um Love Never Died, jesus christ superstar so that that's another one to keep an eye out for.


Okay. Yeah. Yeah, good tip. This has been productive. We exchanged theater here. Thanks to look up on the internet.


one of the big reasons why I came to America, it's too good to like engage in some of these theaters. Uh


really?


huh


That's okay, that's good.


the theater culture in Australia is not that great. Like we would have like 11 Broadway musical musical like every couple months. Well there's always musical is going on around here. Yeah.


And even you know and set up in different cities, even if it's not broadway broadway, you still get like, you know, local people or the touring group coming to different cities. Would you move to new york for the broadway?


no one of them's I hate the cold. One of the better things like California is the weather.


that is, that's true. Yeah, we get were mostly warm here in Georgia, but we sometimes get the occasional like low snow, but I could never do where it snows like multiple months in a row and you're snowed in and you just have to keep going to work. I don't think I could do that.


Yeah, so when I was considering job was often either job here, but I also had a job offer in Canada. The first thing I did was I look at the weather and they're like it's like Cold like 10, 9 10 months of the year, I'm like no. Mhm.


it's important. You have to, it's like a completely different mindset of lifestyle where you have to get used to, you know, going to work while it's snowing on the ground. You have to like have snow tires and know how to get your, your car out of the snow or whatever. I don't know, It's a whole different, I feel like they have a whole different brain almost to deal with snow that much.


Yeah. They give me long wrong, I love the idea of snow, but I think I get over it in like a day, I'll be like it would be nice and then I'll be like okay I'm ready for the sun again.


Yeah exactly. It's nice to nice to like visit places and then like I'll leave.


No, it doesn't snow that.


I mean not really we mostly we get like if it doesn't know sometimes it doesn't like stick on the grounds or it's like only a couple inches were more likely to get ice storms, which is the not fun version of cold weather. It just weighs down the trees and then they, you know, might fall on your house. So I do think yeah northern California and you know um Washington. I've only I've been to northern California and Washington. Both of those I think have really lovely weather um and no storms which is I'm jealous of. So I might consider I was thinking about if I moved anywhere in the country it might be the pacific Northwest just because they have nice weather and no storms. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Mhm mm. Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yes.


Mhm. Yeah. Mhm.


Everyone. Yeah. Okay. I think we're good on time. But remind me of the thing then you um, it was Andrew Lloyd Webber called


Uh Could the show must go on?


the show. Must Go on. Ok. Yeah. I'm going


I


to


think


look that


you check


up.


you.


And yours is the Sound Time. A celebration of Sound time. Yeah.


actually look that up. Okay, so it was nice to meet you.


Nice talking to you.


Likewise


Take care.


you


Bye.


Absolutely yeah. Get over here. Okay thank you. Mhm. What is the matter of Islam? He was over? Okay. Yeah. It's crazy. Uh Really? You don't really know? Mhm. Okay. No


Hey? What's going on, man?


so


Trying to get this money?


That's very $15.


Oh, I'm just here. So I don't get fined going on, man. I don't even know what the hell is supposed to talk about.


I don't know. We don't have to talk at all.


You


I'm just


hear


watching


it?


tv.


You ain't never lie there. Yeah, Yeah. 25 minutes on this. Damn. Cut down. An hour and overtime protection.


I know that would make money if I work overtime if they offered it, but they don't offer.


Uh see my spot gets over time so shit. I can't get over time at home in my bed though. So


That's right,


Here we are getting this 15 things like conversion.


Oh that's right.


I don't know what the hell you at, but


I'm in florida. What about you?


Delaware. Right


Yeah.


now. Keep in florida. I go to Tampa all the time. Yeah, no man up here. I am tired of shit too.


What time is it over there?


We understand. We're on the east coast.


Okay. Okay. Okay. Don't


I,


know my geography.


I just washed the american public schools. No, I was just at work all day. Do overtime today actually. So anything popped up, it was like, hey, you got this video chat, all that shit.


It's my first time doing one of these.


Oh yeah, I almost has been like 12 cents like. All right, Sure. I like coke, Whatever. Uh This came to I was like, all right


What


Michelle.


how long have you been doing? The prolific thing? Okay. I started like middle of october


Yeah, I mean, I ain't gonna lie. I got like 85 off of it.


yeah, I'm I'm by like 100 right now,


Yeah. So I'm like, I'm not mess.


nope.


So that one heart up for 15. I was like CMS. Yeah,


I don't make any money. I made very little money in december though like I don't know. Thanks for not popping up.


I didn't I didn't do shit in november, but like december. Um I put the extension at work too. That's where I work. I was like, oh that pops up. I was like, hey, I'll be back y'all.


That's


But


good. That's good.


right. They come in. She just fucking around watching netflix. So


Yeah. You do any other survey sites?


um survey junkies.


Okay. Are they good?


So I just started that one last week, right? All the surveys seem to be all right, but they take a minute to do Like, like 15 and 20 and 25. I don't have it.


man.


Yeah. Although a little extra bear money or whatever. eight The cellphone trip.


No,


I've done worse for less. Yeah.


I want to do those focus groups. Like


You did a focus group.


no, I want to, I signed up, but no one ever chose me. Looks like a site called respondent,


responded.


something like that.


Never heard of that one. No. I try to do the whole transcription thing for a minute there.


Uh Sound quarrying man. Like you, you have to like you listen and then you type


no. Yeah you just you just type, yeah but you gotta rewind it because half the time. Mhm. It sounds bad. You


no.


have to take um you had to take like a test first and nobody gets that test right Like 10 15% before you can even do it. And then you get like the really awful ones at first. Then it gets better. So I mean one of my friends does it and she gets like 200 a week off of it.


True.


Yeah she just doesn't like 40 hours at home. Wait.


I looked into it and they said like they reject a lot of like stop.


she's a transcriptionist like she does for work work. So she was just like yeah whatever I do it, I got turned down for it and it's like you can apply in 45 days. I don't care that much. You guys. Yeah. Shit.


What is it that you do? Like what's your main job?


Oh I'm analyst. Yeah


analyze, what do you analyze?


surveys, surveys where respondents. Yeah for like schools. So uh do comparisons and standard deviation Seeing, you know if they suck or not,


No. And then


people buy my survey reports. I don't I don't get what they pay for them. Okay people schools pay like Anywhere from 2015004. I don't get that. But that's what the great form so there it worse, it's a way to semi is my degree I guess counts. Mhm.


accounting degree.


Oh shit. No mathematics. Yeah no I was I was really bad at accounting.


Yeah. No, like I was good at math in high school and then I started accounting and that shit was hard man.


We'll see. Accounting


Well,


has shit to do with math. It's like all organizations organized. Uh huh. Ma nah. Um Yeah math and logistics. It's what I got a good reason so I was about to be a teacher and being an extra takes way too long so.


because I'm looking into thinking about doing actuary stuff because I heard they get paid.


Oh actuaries get paid out the ass like entry level. They're like 82.


Damn that's that's twice as much as what I make man.


Well 082. Oh yeah it's double me.


Yeah that's why we're on this site.


facts. You're not seeing any millionaires at this by uh like but have you taken any of the tests?


No and it's been so long


I figure for real if you don't start trying to be an actuary by 30 just give up. It's 10 tests. Um it's 10 years to get like to fellowship. Um I took the first two tests and like Oh you have to pay like $160 attest to. So like if you fell it you have to pay $150 again you don't have to do a math degree to do it. Like you just do it. You do a math or economics or. All right. Um Business analytics. If you do that then you'll get paid too. Like I'm getting I'm getting my second bachelor's and that because they get paid, they paid sore. Nobody


I don't think so.


didn't.


Business


Adam


business


was


would in his


business um analytics


in this analytics. All right


or big data analytics is what a couple of schools call it too. And there's only like 13 schools in the country that do it and there's like two in florida to do it because I was gonna move down there with my home people like I said I got friends in Tampa so down all the time. I keep trying to get me to move down there florida.


can you do it online


Was that?


and get the degree online or you got to go to school?


I am. It's 2020 at this point. I imagine getting degree online


that's true.


right? I mean I got um I got my logistical mostly online. Like my last two semesters was online. I I don't think you want to do an online college or anything like that


No


like you don't want to do like the variety university or any shit.


no


But


no no no


but if your


not


school


like the actual university like.


yeah if your school has school then you're good to go so yeah don't don't do that. I work


in student


I don't


those


know. Uh


Yeah I was like I can't do anything about degree like you got it from a place that was behind the subway like nothing you can do at this point. Yeah. Yeah. What are you like far south florida? Are you like


I'm in Miami yeah.


said but you from from Miami?


Yeah I'm like just north of Miami Hollywood Hollywood florida.


okay. Yeah like one of my friends at the station with was in Liberty City like that's where he was from so. Yeah. Oh that's legit then so you don't really do cold or anything like that? Huh?


you know. No it got like what? Mhm. High sixties the other day and shit. Where's my jacket? Where is everything?


real talk. I was I was down there um and I went to Tampa hard rock Or whatever the casino is home remember? Um but it was like last December and it went the like 61. They were tripping.


That's cold man?


I was like look I was like when I fly back because I fly into philadelphia when I come back home, when I fly back it is right now negative two degrees. My jean like you are tripping out here but I get it. Yeah I mean I was stationed I was stationed in Vegas and I was stationed in California so you get acclimated to that. Yeah 60 will be cold to you real fast on it so but I had an ex girlfriend in Minnesota too and like 40 would be real warm to them like it'll hit summer for like 2.5 months and then 0 -20 day out there in the hot tub. Okay.


No man. Forget that


I was like you know we're the tropical people. I'm not doing any of that shit right there.


work. Way back to the actuary thing. He said like it took two tests for actuary or something.


Yeah. I took two, there's 10 tests in total. Um


Is that enough just to test? Is that enough to do the entry level thing?


um As long as you have your bachelor's. Yeah. Yeah because that kind of shows them that you're like serious about it Because you know you've dropped 320 on some tests. Their artists like it was probability and financial, financial something around there, it was P. And F. M. So you know if you can do compound interest and if you can do like simple like combinatorics and all that, you know it's hard, right?


huh.


You should have done it in like 8th grade like that's how that Shit was. But


I remember some of it. I just need a fresh reminder I guess. Yeah.


I mean if you're gonna do it for real um Study on it for about six months, like just get refresher because like when when you're in that ecosystem then you know, you're doing those problems all the time. But if you haven't done it for a minute


Right.


you got to get back into it. So yeah right Because when I when I went back to school to do this data analytics, I like Matthew is kind of my thing right? Like Aldo and capitalism like seventh grade. Like no issues. Yeah. I was like, I don't remember how to do the rift. Like calculators do this for me now. I don't remember any of this. Uh But yeah, if you can do that, I don't know what the Miami outlook is on um actuaries because I imagine that's probably in high demand so their pay might be a little lower. Like


I


if all the people.


don't know what would love when my friend was but like he was making six figures yeah like


Oh


for


that's


like


what?


some insurance company like shit. Yeah


I think I think 81 might be on low end.


I'll check whatever.


I'm just trying to get the 50. I'm a simple dude. You know just get the


I'm


here looking at government jobs. I'm looking at their benefits like Dan get 50 I'll get a 50 year.


No if I get 50 I'm golden. Let's do this. All right. Especially up here because it's really expensive up here so well right between them New york city and I mean all the major cities are with


yeah that's right.


you know like D. C. And new york city and Phillies right right there. I'm within two hours of that Baltimore. So all those big wheels are there?


How much is like a regular house to buy?


Regular house. Um If you want to not be in like a shitty neighborhood quarter mil.


Okay. Yes. What the same here? Yeah to 50.


Yeah I think I'm I don't know about Miami but no Tampa's Cost of living was 6% lower than where I'm at.


Yeah like north florida is a bit cheaper.


Yeah. So I hear Miami is one of the more expensive cities but you're fucking Miami so


Yeah I'm a little North Miami so it's a little less expensive. I try to avoid Miami at all costs.


I hear the driving down there is kind of treacherous.


It's horrible man, that's why car insurances are so high,


Was that


The car insurance is so high. Like oh you live in lived in south florida or does dracula for insurance?


real talk? All right. So I moved out here from Indiana. Um, Indiana is a shit hole by the way. Never, never do it. Um, but I moved out here from Indiana and so let me go ahead and get this car insurance. You know, we were a little $105 a month or whatever. Nothing. Nothing. Crazy. Full coverage, Nah


Now.


man, 3 25


No.


among I have no accidents,


no.


nothing. I'm like,


What?


like my car was like nine years old. What are you doing to me right here? I was like, mm this is, but I live in by the worst neighborhoods


Well


up here though. So maybe after or something. I live


I was


I live in a neighborhood


and this


where


is where.


people take surveys for extra money. That's, that's where I'm at, right? Oh,


It's well yes.


hmm. So I go to sleep where we at, what Was it


What


was 20


was the point?


minutes or 25 minutes I forgot.


Well my counter says.


Oh, you got a car?


Yeah. Um because like when I clicked on the bun and open up to this where I'm interviewing you but then on the previous tab I have like at it 1830 Right now. Uh huh. If you got that then you started a little after me. I don't know


Oh, there we go.


those are.


I got 17, 17 1/2. You cool, you cool people. There you go folks. I ain't going. I was hoping to get a woman, but you


let


know,


me through


I feel like


like uh like a dress very lightly. What?


let's see, let's see what kind of can we get out here? My luck's never like that though.


No.


My math classes, there was none. I was like, damn, can I get


From


what?


what? Like I have a buddy in California, he did computer programming and like where he's like there's no girls where he's at like shit.


I had a teacher that was hot. I was like,


one


what's really good But not this, There's none. Yeah. It's the only black person half the glass is, it's just like, hey, should you be playing basketball? Like I do that too. But I can also run these numbers now hey.


Yeah that are asian people, indian people. Yeah. No look I was on the map team in high school man. I know. I know


What


I think I


are you


just


doing jeremy


I just wish


man.


I remember all that stuff because I should have studied statistics or something in college.


Well I mean really talk you can probably just fake it at this point. You know I you see me right? I got numbers just hire right now.


Mhm


Yeah. Yeah I


I'll


should


give you a discount, give me 50,000 man.


no discount. Come on get that discount man. I mean I also play sports but oh two got that. He was funny too because they'll be like these little nerdy little little white dude petrified

Yeah discount. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Right.


Pretty


of


much


me being in there anyway. Like you're


what to cook.


I don't want no parts of your little lunch money. You're all right man. Try to get this degree too. So uh huh But you know how they be sometimes man sure hey races but good. Oh I like chinese food. Fuck out talking to me. My favorite

Uh huh. Uh huh. Uh huh. Okay. Uh huh. Yeah. Sure. Okay.


What?


rapper Snoop Dogg. Like I'm I'm from the south so I know how that games play. Like I'm from Virginia. We


that's


got infected.


my biggest fear of like moving like if I move towards north florida it becomes kind of redneck e or more country and north Korea is like I don't want to deal with that


they say


so


that principle area. That little panhandle is just nothing to be played with. So Mhm. I don't know. I ain't real talk though. Either one of us. You're not going to really escape it that much unless


you go


true.


coast. So where is it going to be less crazy at? Because California was legit. My double


Yeah alchemy is nice. It's expensive.


Cool. It is expensive as all hell. One of my friends um he does software security out there. He makes like 200,000 and he is broke.


Mm. Yeah Like 200. That's no that's your lower class. Yeah


You


I'll


like


make any sense.


He has a decent studio and he pays like 3500 for it. What you like? I'm thinking about getting roommates move man. Yeah.


What's the point? What's the point?


Yeah. If I moved back home right now. What I'm making I'd probably be like the richest person in the county, right? Are you making 20 an hour? You're making good money. Word. Go to food line. Make my mind. Oh what


Yeah.


Yeah. What do you do?


What?


You said you said you don't get


I


overtime.


I I work from home. I'm a medical biller like I read medical charts and then I put like stuff for the insurances and yeah.


Yeah. I used to cook a little girl that did that and like she made decent money like and you're at home so you'll have to sweat like a commuter notion.


Yeah that's the only good part. Yeah I don't get a lot of vacation days or


And


the benefits kind of suck. Yeah that's I want a government job. I heard the benefits are really good.


benefits are good depending on what you get. You know, looking those GS jobs. I don't know what civil service like down there. But yeah, I mean if you can get one For the same shit you're doing now, you can probably count like 150% increase in my pay. Get


I hope so.


have you taken the civil services and yet?


I don't even know what that is.


Uh go ahead and look online for your state man. Get on the civil services there uh


Civil service.


down there. They have to go in somewhere. If you could just take it online. But that'll put your foot in the door right there. The only reason I haven't done it appears because dover, that's where the Air force bases up here and it's not close. It's like an hour away. I can walk to my job now in like 10 minutes. I'm good. So right. And they want to come up on to pay a little bit though. I can be sold for 50 k. easy. Yeah. Now look into that man. Look into that civil service.


I will look into that. The business analytics or big data analytics looking


I'm saving money


good.


because as soon as I get this last degree, I'm a free agent, I am not tied to Delaware. I've only been here a few years. I like it here, you know, atlantic city's clothes and whether it's kind of temperate so I'm cool with it. But I will move. This is my 14 state. I can do number 15 ever.


And I've been in florida my whole life.


I mean, if you got to be somewhere your whole life, Miami.


It's not bad.


Yeah. It's not like being like little rock your whole life or some shit. So you in school now then 80


I


degrees.


mean I want to I got to have an accounting degree. I have a respiratory therapy a degree and I got a medical coding degree. So I've been to too much school man because I don't know what I want. I'm 33 man. I don't know what I want to like. Yeah.


I mean, you got a little bit of time left, like I'm 41. So you got a little bit of time left, Ma just do it soon.


that's true. That's true.


You don't want to be, you don't want to be in a spot where all your supervisors are younger than you


I know.


chickens. All real fast. And now you get to go, man, you got plenty of time. I would say. Have you tried any of the uh um, coursera courses?


my friend just told me about that for like computer stuff or,


Get you a couple of significance. I think. Um I think they started charging for access. I think it's $50 either a month or a year. But either way like if you can you know parlay that into some type of employment that gives you some money


Yeah it's


worth


all


it.


that matters. That's all that matters.


My my my credit hours are, It's like 219 a credit hour or something. Shit. So $50 a month


That's nothing.


spent on Uber eats. So we're good. She say less. Yeah. I wonder what these questions are going to be about. Uh huh.


I don't know.


I'm kind of worried about that shit. Okay,


What's your time?


I'm at 26. My mind. Yo good team man, you good folks.


You too.


It would be easy.


All right you two later.


Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Perfect. I Yeah, no, true. Mm. Okay. Yeah. All right. Okay. Mhm. Yeah, mm. Okay. That's right. Okay. Mhm. Thank you. Oh, good. Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Okay. Oh yeah. Uh huh. Okay. Mhm. Look at that time. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. That might be Oh, Mhm. I think yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Hello? Hi.


I'm ordinarily


I think this is like my sixth time doing this and you're the first person to show up every other time. I'm


my gosh,


shocked


this is my


of


fourth


shark tank.


time. I only had one person not


Really? I don't know what my luck is or something. But anyway, what are you supposed to?


You talk about anything that you want, like it doesn't really matter because I've become


smoking awesome. I'm getting paid to do this. Okay.


yeah, it's crazy because it actually pays you every single time.


Really? Oh my God. Like


I'm


I seriously


not here


signed


are so


up.


evil


dan.


sorry. Oh, I'm just like, I forget what I was gonna say, but I feel like every single time have signed up and then I get a time and then like nobody shows up. Like I would love to have a conversation with a stranger early. But


That's crazy. I don't know. It's like, oh no, I'm good. I don't want money like what?


Yeah. Well, I get like, forgetting it. Like, I get that because like, a couple of times I didn't know to look at my um my messages on there and then like, you know, like, I noticed like a day later, it's like, oh, so I like was the No show once wise, but it's like, it's seriously like six times nobody's shown up and it's like, oh my God, frustrating. But


my gosh, I'm sorry,


but


anyway,


muting this. Um


I wasn't sure if that was years


Well


of I've


yeah, that was my weight. I was I was gonna say something for my brains like oh


So


you're the first girl, like you're the first woman that I've gotten. It's all been moved. Men like or like older


What?


men were middle aged men or like yeah, it's never


That's


been a girl go interesting,


that's super weird because like, I don't know. I imagine the type of person who does this is like young. Like, I don't know. Like not usually


No,


men because like, my


it's


aunt


family


and my mom,


quick. See


my


years


and my mom


normal.


do this. Yeah, exactly. That's so fucking weird. Well, anyway, where are you from?


I'm from pennsylvania.


Or


I


are


you


live,


allowed to,


you know


are you allowed to say stuff


what?


like this? Just


like


can


general,


talk about.


get to know you okay. I didn't know if there was like a privacy thing of like, don't disclose who you are or whatever. Okay. No, it just feel free to be like, no,


Yeah, it's okay. I don't mind. Yeah, but I'm from but you know what really is


Kind of, Yeah, I haven't been in that region at all. But like, I


well I


have


wouldn't


an idea,


need breaking now. Where do you live?


okay, I am living in Washington state currently, but I don't, this isn't my home. I'm supposed to be living in europe right now and here I am because of Covid.


Why


Yeah, I know


what's the story? Yeah.


Well, I grew


No.


up in Alaska and then I lived in Minnesota for a few years and then I was like moving from Minnesota to Seattle and I was like, hey, fuck it, I want to go to europe. And I've never been and like now I have some time in between jobs and I didn't actually have a job yet. And I was like fuck it, I'll just go like on a one way ticket for like three or four weeks and this was two years ago now. And I lived


What


there for a year and a


for?


half. I traveled for like three months and then I lived there for like a year and a half and then I came back for christmas this last year and while Covid happened and here I am.


I have never met anyone from a lab in my life.


well


I


there's a lot


want


of them


one


here.


thing. Yeah. I love how you move from there and then you go somewhere else. I've never been like wow and then decide to live with her. Like why? What made you want to do that?


because I I learned german through like high school and I've always been curious about europe like, I don't know why not, but I hate flying. So I was like, I'll never go if I have less than three weeks. And I was between jobs. So it's like fuck it, I'll get a one way ticket and see what happens like.


You can look like yourself?


Yeah. And then like


you know this one needs to just pick up and leave.


Actually not as much as you think. I mean here I am doing like surveys, right? Like I


What?


mean like I'm studying the first full and stuff, but like, and I like kind of like work for like neighbors and stuff, like doing yard work like part time. But like I so like when you, it's like the ticket to get over there is the expensive part. But like, okay, if you're like in paris or like London, it's super expensive. But if you're like eastern, europe, west or central and eastern europe, it's actually super cheap. Like there's


I wouldn't


places.


want to get