how can you mentioned the high specifically?


So I've never been, but like all of my in laws like rave about it, they have a tradition of going every year like after 4th of July. And um, I just moved here from florida. So it's like, I have the opportunity to go, we can't go this year because we're not going to sit on the beach in a mask, Like we're just not going. That just sounds so lame. So, uh, I, I have yet, I'm the only person in the family, only in law who has yet to go to like Glorified La Hoya. And


He.


uh, I've only been to the east Coast speeches like in the atlantic and the gulf ones and they're always like, oh, it's not, this is not the lawyers so much better. So yeah, that's for me, like that's the quintessential Californian destiny's other than Disneyland. So yeah, that's, it's my waiting thing, I guess.


Yeah. It's like um I'll explain the whole more and more in a little bit but but you do bring up something that would have been trying to do over especially or the last 3, 4 years is every day. I just remind myself just to be grateful for where I live mike I'm sure it's expensive and stuff. But just just to be able to say I live where people want a vacation. Like I I just could never take that for granted.


Yeah, that is, that's very true. I think I know a little, maybe like a portion of that because my parents live in colorado and a destination where like, well a lot of people, it's like a tourist town. And so I've been able to Like, it's like with Indian ruins, it's like by the four corners area. Um, so there's like a lot of stuff that I've been able to just like go like for a day trip and people literally have come from china to come see this stuff. So


man.


I know also the colorado thing like that, the whole mountains and it's so beautiful like everybody travels to come see that. Don


I


it's


bet.


free.


I believe it.


Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty, I know what you mean. You have to be grateful for it. So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so what do you do for a living? Money?


Um right now I work at right now I work at home as a loan processor but I'm thinking um but I'm also looking at it, it's like I I enjoy it. I mean I'm I'm grateful to have it. I mean I get to work from home, it's really really easy money. Um I can have my tv on in the background the entire day while I do it.


Down to hustle.


It's all data entry. So like don't get me wrong I'm really grateful for it. But I'm also looking at an opportunity with Kaiser and I would be it be the same thing I'd be working at home data entry. I don't gotta it's all data entry. But the reason I'm looking to switch to Kaiser from loan processing is because um um Kaiser offers the company itself offers way better insurance and benefits than being alone processor


yeah, I can kind


so.


of see. Yeah, it's a bigger company, right?


Right. Right. And I just something about being a loan processor. I mean, I don't want to say it feels dirty, but I don't like, unlike the energy or vibe around it because I see come from come for confidential information all the time when people are applying for loans and I don't know, I just just the amount that you have to pay back on alone and I don't know, it just gives me just, it's great money. But I just get bad thoughts all the time about like when I'm like processing the zones, I'm like, man, I feel bad for this person that they taking out this horrible alone. Like every time I process alone and I want to call the person and be like, man, like stuff you don't need this, like it's


my


probably not worth how much you're gonna have to pay back. It's like, I don't want to say it's a dirty industry but it just feels kind of dirty when I'm doing the work and I'm just like uh like I feel more honest working for Kaiser too.


Yeah. Yeah. Whatever makes you feel better honestly life's life's too short to stand something that you just you know it makes you feel like you're doing every day. Yeah. Good


Yeah.


for you, good for you to have you applied to for Kaiser yet?


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right now I've been working with a job recruiter and she's um already did all the paperwork and stuff I got to do for it should go right now. The process you said it's just really slow because of Covid. So she said she'll just keep me up today. Um get back in touch with me but it's not like I'm in a rush or anything like if it happens it's cool if it doesn't I'm cool with what I'm doing now so.


I mean the covid thing, it's kind of nice and slow down everything, I mean like for me it's given me a chance to catch up on stuff. Um But at the same time I'm just I'm so over I'm so over it like like i in Arizona there they were trying to like open up everything but now we're getting an uptick in cases um And it's especially like kind of around the reservation a little bit um because they do things a little bit different, their culture is a little bit different and how they handle things um And it's also just part different parts of phoenix too. Different parts of phoenix, different parts of Tucson, I'm in Tucson right now, but um yeah, it's just it's such a bummer because like my my older nieces and nephews are like, they don't know if they're gonna be able to go back to school or I don't know, I'm just like, oh and also we can't go without a mask, like there's a mask requirement here and for me like I have asthma but I don't really like have proof that I have asthma, so I have to wear it anyway, and it's hard, it's really hard and


I believe it


so and I think another thing like people, I didn't even think about this um but if you go to like restaurants or whatever, you go to like check out or wherever just the general public and you're wearing your mask and the other person is wearing their mask. It's like really difficult to like see their emotions and then like, it's hard to even like hear them sometimes. It's, and I would say like makes me panic so much, but I guess it just makes me like,


War


like socially it makes me feel a little unstable.


uneasy.


Yeah. It makes you feel uneasy I guess. And I don't know why, but it's just like that wall, it's just like another barrier I guess if that makes sense.


Right. Makes sense.


Yeah. And it's just really, it seems like like logically it seems like it would be really dumb. But still like I even asked my mother lunch because she lives really close and I just saw her and I asked him like, does this like make you feel weird? She's like, yeah. Yeah. So I'm hoping it gets over with soon because okay. It's hard to handle.


It's um yeah it really makes you I mean obviously there are certain companies and groups of people that have thrived because of this. You know obviously companies that are like netflix, all online shopping etcetera etcetera. But for the most part you just gotta feel so so bad for all the groups companies that have been negatively affected by this. Like like even I try to think about it on the most personal individual level like like I don't but I was thinking about it was like what if I had a friend who um he like lived in an apartment was just making ends me and he worked full time at like the movie theater and just out of the blue out of the blue nowhere he's he lose his job and then he's just devastated like overnight it's devastating like now what do I do now, what I do


no.


and then


Yeah. Right. It's really the in it, honestly, this is like unprecedented. Like I don't think anybody even like my mom's there, she's a boomer and she hasn't even, she hasn't even dealt with something like this like as have been for a while. And actually my sister in law now, do you, do you know anybody who actually got Covid?


not personally.


Yeah, I don't either. But my sister in law, her husband lost his job. He was like a lawyer for like a church or whatever. Um And he had just got, he had the job for a year and they have four kids and a mortgage. And it's been and he's still looking like he's up in Nebraska is still looking for a job. And like it's it's a good thing that I mean unemployment is going on and everything for a lot of people. But it stresses me out like like my husband is an essential worker and everything so I like we're okay but I don't know what my like my in laws are going to do. It's rough. It's so great.


Yeah and then also think about the um people that are just about to enter college, like they're not going to get that whole college experience of moving into the dorms, etcetera, etcetera. Like their first year of college is all mine,


And oh my gosh I came out even imagine like, well I mean I guess the upside of it is it kind of makes you more resilient you know makes you a little bit more resilient. Make sure I appreciate it. I'm not really an extrovert in a while. I mean I need to see people but I'm not like like it's not as much as like a personal crisis like a social crisis. I mean I don't know about you. Are you are you like an extroverted and introverted?


I'm in the middle, I would say. Oh,


Yeah. It's rough. Yeah. I mean a couple of couple of my friends are really struggling and I don't really know what that's like because I I can see somebody like once a week and just like be fine. Um B I I have no idea how they're handling it. They're just Mhm. So my only hope is that we're not going to have like state home orders again right now. They're just doing like the face masks and everything. Um So we'll see. Yeah, we shall see. I don't know. Yeah. That's rough. That's right. And so what is your first thing? I don't know if you like staying in like how um how much are you like isolating yourself for you? Like mostly staying home?


Uh to be perfectly honest, Covid like um hasn't affected me whatsoever. The amount I go out, the amount I self isolate etcetera etcetera. Like I probably go out just as much as I did before coded. Um the only difference is when I go out, it's, you know, not to the mall or to like club or anything, it's just to someone's house. Yeah, so I'm very fortunate like Covid like hasn't affected my life whatsoever. Like I was working at home before, well, kind of working at home before Covid still doing that now, the literally the only thing that's changed for me is, you know, gyms are closed, well, they reopened now but before they were closed, so, and, and obviously the face mask thing.


yeah. Yeah. Do you guys like how is it a requirement there


Um Crazily enough, san Diego has been one of the less strict cities when it comes to Covid, we


rip?


were like Los Angeles is where they're really, where they've really tried to crack down um closed, non essential businesses, put on face masks, etcetera. But san Diego is kind of a little more lax. Um they let businesses open up a lot sooner than other areas and uh yeah, and then San Diego was definitely more Republican, a conservative than other areas of California.


I didn't know that.


That's, yeah, they're definitely when it comes to their way. Pretty conservative and Republican.


Gosha, interesting. Yeah. I didn't know that. I I kind of assumed like all of California was lip like the the liberal kind of thing. So that's that's news to me on the dish that goes to show you like, I don't know. I don't know.


no, there's definitely the pockets, especially the more wealthy areas that are way more Republican, like lawyer is very, very conservative. Yeah.


wow, interesting. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. Um We actually just had a it's kind of become like a, I wouldn't say it's like political a political reaction for people because some people like really are like want to keep themselves isolated and like safe against covid it kind of really just depends on your outlook on it. Um But we actually had a like a gathering with my husband's coworkers a few days ago and like we went in and we didn't know kind of how they were going to deal with it, like if we had to go in like wearing face masks or anything and of course you're like you don't want to offend anybody like by coming in, like I'll spread my germs all over your house. Um So but but it's just it's kind of done like, again, it's like another social layer that you have to worry about. So yeah, it was it was kind of thankfully they have apparently, it seemed like they didn't really care, even though like we're in Arizona and we're one of those rising key states. Um But apparently they just, you know, and I've been like, like we're within like kind of the medical community anyway, and some I find people are worried about it based upon where you are, like if you're in like the cities and that they're a little bit more worried, but other than that if you're not in a city or if you're just like a mid sized town, you know, it's not gonna be there a big issue. So um like we were we were in like a like a mid size town when before we moved here and I think my husband's hospital went like three or four weeks about seeing a single covid patient.


that's great.


Oh so it just it kind of just depends I guess.


I see. Yeah.


Yeah. It just really depends.


It's funny you bring up the social issues because I was just thinking recently that's um one major reason that as a country we're not going to overcome this anytime soon or as fast as other nations is because we have um to differing opinions on it that are so far apart and so to overcome this, we all need to like kind of have to be on the same page. But the two different opinions on it are just so far apart. You have the one side that's like we got to wear the mask, we still got to take this seriously and then we have the other side that's like we don't need mask, everyone can go out again. Like I understand why we got to stay home and I there's there's no, at least in my opinion there is no clear middle ground. Like I see, I see facilities like starting to reopen but in limited capacity, but to me, um middle ground is just, It's it's half fast and ineffective because like for example, like let's say restaurants say we're going to reopen, but at 50% capacity, you gotta wear your mask on the way in or you got away or your mask while you're waiting for food. But I almost don't want to say it's completely useless, but I feel that it's not really that effective because Even at 50% capacity, even if you got to wear your mask on the way in, there's no way to enforce people walking past each other. There's no way to enforce um that one person who is just kind of very against it and just won't put it on unless he sees an employee walking by. There's no no way to control people touching the same bathroom handle, door, touching the same chair table. Just, that's why I feel like like semi reopening, it's it's just, it's all for show because they

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Mhm. Yeah.


I'd have to agree with you there and I think I feel like it's like that with walmart too because they tried to put those things on the isles where you have to walk one way but I guarantee you nobody including myself


no,


like I yeah, nobody follows that stuff because it's I mean I don't know, I guess it's just a concentrated amount of effort that you have to put in and people are just are not used to that.


it's


It's


all for show


Yeah. And everybody has a different, like, I wish there was a middle ground. I really do, but I think especially like right now, like, before the election, before like, whatever it is,


to add another layer to the


there's


matter.


there's just there's not going to be a middle ground because everybody's tensions are going to be high, it's always gonna be this battle between. And to be very honest with you, I've had to like, like say peace out, especially with like, although like the Black Lives Matter Movement happening and all the I've had to get off my social media because I I just can't handle it because there's going to be the extremists on each side, I can't handle everybody is afraid to like say something or they say it too much. I've had to get off because I just I can't hang with it anymore, I have to just kind of stay home. I don't really go out too much, I'm like kind of like you, I don't really go out as much um and obviously I'm in a new city so I don't know anybody here. Um But I've honestly just had to take a break because you know, even while meaning people can, you know, is for even for them, it's hard to follow regulations or you know, it's a it's a bunch of effort, it's an out of effort and it's hard. It is and I don't blame them, but it's yeah, it's hard to find that little girl. Okay.


so as we uh as we approach the halfway point of the year, next few days um Mhm once


Mhm.


we, once we get to the end of this year, I was thinking about it, there is no way in hell for people to be able to put a positive spin on year and rewind videos,


Oh my gosh, Okay. That's really funny. I have literally thought about that, you know how like google like every year they come out with like a commercial like and they put like the highlights of the year and everything.


you're like, oh, this happened. Mhm.


all I can see them have doing is like medical personnel doing their like Tic Tac's or whatever. Like if you see those videos or they do dancing text, I think that's like the only thing they can come up with.


the only positive spin you can put on it is let's let's learn, let's not dwell on the past, let's let's make our promises to be stronger going forward.


Yeah. This is, it honestly has been the shittiest here and that and that at least everybody can a ground which no, no matter what side you're on, we can all agree. This has been a the shittiest year by far. Yeah.


Just so just so out of nowhere to like, I mean it's not not only has it been an off here, it's been a Once in every 10, years kind of year.


Yeah. Yeah. I would say like Probably since 2001. I thought I would say this has been the worst year since 2001. Probably.


Yeah, I can agree with that.


Yeah. How well I'm just gonna stay home. I I just I I think it's some people think it's bad to like isolate yourself and stay within your little bubble. Um But I think to a certain extent that's not bad. Um I mean I do poke my head out every once in a while just so I stay semi informed but um I am a small person, there's not a ton I can do um Except you know raise my kids, you know I love my family, I go to the liquor store a little more often than I used to which is not right but uh but I but I got to try the line that I I have always wanted to try. So I guess that's an upside, That's the upside of 2020. So actually our our timer just went off. I don't know if you have stuff to do but are the time I just went off for our conversation so. Mhm.


Already,


Already thank you so much.


of course, stay safe.


You too how do you end this? Do you just, you just end you just click the video off?


I believe I believe you can just exit the link, but so long as you kept the other link open, then you're good


Okay. Cool, awesome. Have a good life.


appreciate it you as well.


Bye.


sure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I can't recall. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. I'm sorry. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Uh huh. Don't forget about that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm, mm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Yes. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Yes. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Okay. Mhm, mm hmm. Mhm. Yeah, mm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. A couple of days. Right. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. See. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Okay, mm hmm. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Mm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Right. I got a chance to have a second. Yeah. Given time connector. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. It's a different thing. Good. She's fine. Every Mhm. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Mhm, mm hmm. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Mhm. Okay. Okay. It's mm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Hey? Yeah, Everything. Mhm. Mhm. Whoa. Mhm, mm hmm. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. 100, Italian. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. People. All right. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Want to go. Mhm. Yeah. Oh, country.


wait, let me plug in my ear buds way.


All right. Hi.


Hey there. I'm in the car. So I hope, I hope it's not the background isn't too crazy.


I'm not hearing anything. Are you getting any background for my fan?


No, no,


No?


not at all. Not at all. All right. Let me find a timer just so we're compliant. Mhm 25


uh


I think.


yeah. 25 minutes.


Okay. I'm gonna set it for 26 just so we have cushion there. Hey, hey.


Cool. So, um, yeah, I'm not sure what we're supposed to do for this, but uh


Just talk about whatever. So where are you?


Um, I'm in North Dakota actually. Where are you? Mm.


So, um, you know how michigan shaped like a mitten? So there's that what they call the thumb area. My husband and I took off this morning, their little light houses and parks on the beach and whatnot. So we went and left and sort of wrapped around part of the thumb and now we're headed home. So we're very fortunate that we go. He says, hi, hi.

Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Cool. Uh huh. Oh,


hi.


We're fortunate that we actually have internet service because they're big chunks is as, you know, big chunks of the state that don't really get the full internet.


Yeah. Yeah. I've been in michigan before. Um Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty rural in some areas, it's really like kind of woodsy um


Yeah,


Actually uh when I was driving through it the first time I was like this feels actually a lot like Wisconsin and you know, kind of like the whole like lakes, you know, region. Um


Like


So yeah,


the Dells, yeah,


yeah


like that area, so


Where are you in, in a city or?


yep, I'm in um so it's called the Red River Valley and there's a place called um


Mhm.


Grand Forks, that's where I am and it's like one of the third or it's like the third biggest city in North Dakota, obviously we're pretty rural, pretty small, so it's not really saying much, but um yeah it's that's kind of what I call it um it were quite a bit different than like there's like the east part of the state which is like the Red River Valley where like Grand Forks, you probably heard of Fargo maybe, yep. Um

Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah, mm. Mhm,


yep.


So that's like one kind of like region, but then like west is out is like bismarck and um you know, other cities


Cash.


that you probably haven't heard of unless you've been out here, Montana. So


Um my sister in law went to graduate school, was it? Grand Forks went to graduate school, University of North Dakota, University of North Dakota. And Grand Forks?


what did she go to grad school for?


Um psych psych psychology I believe. Yeah.


That's really weird because.


like the craziest thing was like, you know, she grew up in Tampa goes to school there, miss this guy gets married and you know, like two months after they get married, they moved to North Dakota from florida, so


Yeah, I've actually heard a lot of stories like that


hold


where,


on.


you know, people get married and then then just kind of end up here, but it's weird that you said you and D for psychology because that's exactly what I'm doing right now. I'm a grad student. Psychology. Yeah, so that's that's really weird, but um obviously I don't want you don't have to like release any like, identifying information or whatever. But I think it's just weird like anytime I meet somebody who's like, oh I I know somebody who like went to school there, like I guarantee you I probably know that person within two or three iterations like because um

Mhm. Mhm Oh cool. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Uh Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah,


that's kind of cool. Yeah. Now are you from there or you just in school there?


I'm from the region um There's a small town that's like an hour east of here that I grew up in, I did my undergrad here and stuff like that, so. Yeah,


Well now are you wanting to stay or do you want to go somewhere else or?


no I definitely would like to go to at the very least Fargo, which you know, it's you know, much bigger city, there's a lot more to do but um kind of in my field I have to like go to a bigger area to kind of find work. Um I mean that might be changing the next few years with like tele work and stuff like that, but um no, I would

Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Yeah.


What's


like to


your field?


kind of either psychology.


Yeah. Uh What's your specialty? Mhm.


Oh it's so social experimental


Hi there.


psychology, yeah.


Yeah.


So.


You might you might have to get somewhere else. Sorry, I lost the video, but then the audio got really loud but that's okay. Not a big deal. Yeah. So is it already cold there? Because I like today is I think our last nice day of the season, it's like in the 70's as we had further south in the state, but.


Yeah, it's honestly it's been a really really mild fall here, I've been waiting for it to like You know in the morning to be like 30 or 40°, but that hasn't really happened yet, so we've been pretty lucky. Yeah.


grew up in the south and my family thinks it's funny that I talked about the last nice day. you know, it's like it's the last warm day, it's, you know, three months before they get their last warm day, so it's a big adjustment. Yeah.


in the last couple of years um I've been traveling a little bit more and I was actually in el paso texas for christmas one year and that was actually really nice because I was like wearing shorts in like a t shirt and stuff outside. It's like 50 60 degrees out and it was it was actually really nice to be somewhere in the middle of december and you know, be that warm out

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Yeah.


Yeah, it's really funny. My husband actually, we live in like metro Detroit, but he works in Houston and so like, you know, we'll have snow and he's like, yeah, I'm running around his shorts and it's warm and I'm like great, that's lovely. So so yeah, it's kind of funny um with like sort of lockdown and whatnot. He came home and he's been home all summer and so it's like uh you have two pairs of shorts here, all of your shorts in texas, none of them are here, so. But yeah, it's been kind of weird. So are you guys doing like online class stuff for school only?

really? Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


Um No there are like on campus classes but um since I kind of lucked out, my only classes online, I've been able to work from home actually, since like since probably March kind of when all this stuff started, I was able


cop yeah.


kind of, you know, quarantine isolate and stuff. So um yeah, I know there are, they're doing like on campus stuff, but um actually North Dakota and um were


in like kind of the eastern part of Minnesota have started getting a lot more cases of covid, so who knows if they'll, you know, actually closed down at some point, which maybe they probably should, but I mean, who knows?


Yeah. We um we had sort of put a lid on it and it's been getting worse and worse. So we're not we're not really sure. My youngest is a freshman in college. And so he's doing classroom the basement and we're doing his poor schedule, like, you know, he was hoping to be on campus and so he's taking biology, you know, sort of like intro biology with the lab. And so now the lab is in our kitchen with these weird little experiments. I'm like, I am the crappiest lab partner ever, because I'm like, yeah, close enough, it's fun. So hurry about it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm, mm hmm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


So they


Everything.


actually had them doing like lab stuff in your own home, What was


there,


that like?


you know, it's crazy. So I'm not


Bird?


exactly sure what they were measuring, but he was doing like little hole punches of coffee filters, soaking them in like sort of a beet extract or a carrot extract or sweet potato extract and then putting them in hydrogen peroxide and timing. I mean, I think it's basically a method kind of thing. And so yeah, we floated little little discs of coffee filter soaked in things for like two different labs. But yeah, and it's like we've got a time and then, you know, the one we did for radishes, You know, everybody that was at his school, which is in texas, you know, and they're all at home in their kitchens doing this. They all get like one set of numbers and ours are twice that I'm like, I don't know, maybe we get a different variety of radish, maybe, you know, they're old radishes. I got no idea. And we

Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Uh huh. Right. Mhm. Yeah. Oh, yes. Uh yeah,


that's


just,


super funny.


yeah, so we couldn't even get close to replicating what literally everybody else in the group got and I'm like, yeah, you're the outlier, just go with it for the best. But


I mean there's going to be an outlier and everything so it makes it more interesting I guess.


Yeah, it was, but I don't know, this is not, you know, I'm just


it's not


working the timer, I'm not doing anything else, so it was kind of funny and he hates it, and I'm like, of course you hate it, you're you're supposed to be on campus, you're not supposed to be in your kitchen, so Mhm. So yeah,


I can't imagine


but


doing a college lab in my own kitchen, that would be, yeah.


I just, I'm just glad, like they're not doing fetal pigs or anything, you know, because I'm like, I'm not going to devote a vegetable drawer to the fetal pigs, so


all those things, thanks so much to


my God, it's awful. My freshman year in college, my my roommate brought home or fetal pig, like get a bar, this is disgusting. It's not a lot of fun, but I think he's decided that he doesn't like biology, he's done. So he's gonna I think declare a major that doesn't require that ever again. So Yeah. Kind of crazy.

uh Yeah. Yeah. Right. Mhm. Mhm, mm. Yeah.


Yeah, man, it must be pretty hard, yeah. Uh going to school like during covid, like your as a freshman, like that's just it's almost like just


That's


unlucky,


not to say that.


you know, like, I don't know, I I wouldn't I don't think I would like it so.


You know, it's funny because we had this conversation and I think the saving grace is, I mean his senior year in high school was totally screwed up at the end to, you know, because they locked down the middle of March and didn't go back graduation was basically somebody throwing his stuff in a bag on her front lawn and waving as they drove by. But I think the thing that is good about it is that he doesn't know any better, like he doesn't know what it's like to be on campus. He doesn't so I mean he'll have that experience later, but he's already talking about if he can't be on campus next fall, that he's going to take the gap here and I'm like, go ahead. You know, that's okay. Just get, you know, get your year of a solid year of good grades in your back pocket and then do whatever you wanna do something crazy, so

Right. Mhm. Mhm. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Ah Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Mhm.


Right. You know, I think that was already starting to become more and more popular. Um but I even remember as like an undergrad or like even when I was in high school, I was thinking about taking a gap year and like everybody told me don't take a gap year, otherwise you'll never go back to school or whatever. And now it kind of seems like, you know, obviously with the constitution and stuff, it that's almost like something that people are, I want to say like uh you know, suggesting, but maybe are kind of more along the lines of like if somebody wants to take a gap year, it's not really

Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.


Thank


frowned upon


you.


as much anymore, which is really nice,


hmm.


you know? Um You know, getting some, you know, quote unquote life experience, work experience before you go to colleges, you know, way I think way more beneficial than I mean, what I did was I spent 23 years, I mean, I was focusing on school, but also I like, you know, didn't really know what I wanted to finish school in and you know that kind of waste time and money and I mean I'm cool with where I'm at now but you know if I could have done it over again I would have been like I'm gonna take a gap year and you know maybe do some traveling and then you know see um

Right. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Right. Mhm. Yeah.


All


you know I'll find something by then


I mean, just, you know, do something, you know, if you want to juggle at the circus,


sorry.


you know, that's the time to do it is when you're in your early twenties, just get it done and have, but yeah, so it's been, it's been interesting for him being online and, you know, like discussion groups and doing group projects over zoom and Microsoft teams and things like that. It's just, you know, it's doable. It's just a very different experience. Mhm.

Right, mm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Right.


Yeah,


But,


I've been kind of lucky, I haven't had to do very many group projects but um I work for the med school um in town here and so I've had to go to like three or four, you know zoom meetings a week and it's like uh like you know half the time I don't have to be there and then it's like the other half the time it's like oh man, there's I don't know it

mm hmm. Mhm. Mhm. Okay, mm hmm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.


And I have


it feels like it's facilitating the workflow in some ways but


opportunity.


you know obviously I'm still trying to get used to it and stuff and I mean there's gonna be challenges with everything but you know.


Yeah. My husband's been talking about how his team has actually been more productive because, and I noticed he works longer, You know, that sort of works through like work through lunch, you know, just is sort of logging in more time. But they're just getting more done. I think I suspect it's because they don't have that kind of water cooler talk, that kind of social chit chat and distraction and somebody popping by your office wanting to talk about whatever you just work. So

Really? Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.


Right. Does he have his own office then in your in your house?


yeah, so he's actually been working on the back porch. So um but it's moved into the family room now that it's been a little cooler. There's a red light ahead of us, honey. I don't know. Okay, we're just flying down the road, we're also looking for firewood because we're in the middle of nowhere and like this is where you know, people put the past firewood in their front yards and we don't get that in town, it's hard to find. So we're kind of sort of looking for that too. So that I bought a pumpkin the other day at the grocery store, I forgot to take it out of the truck and every time we turn it sounds like a dead bodies in the trunk

Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm mm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Right. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Mhm.


It's just


just rolling


roll in


around.


the back. Yeah that's funny,


So we keep passing all of these, you know pumpkin farms with all the pumpkins on the side of the road is like, you know, don't need what I got


I


out of the back. Yeah.


can hear it every time we take a left.


exactly.


Yeah.


It's just no, no, no, no, no, no. So it's been kind of crazy. So how much longer do you have in your programme?


Um I have a year left um then I'll have my masters um


Mhm.


I was gonna go on for my PhD but um I've I'm kind of on like an academic track and you know like kind of I don't know if you're aware of how things are and like academia right now but at least in my field it's really hard to get like a 10 year track job and so I was like you know instead of competing for something like that I kind of do like we talked earlier rather get my masters, get some work experience you know kind of live my life a little bit and then come back for my PhD down the road since Um you know education is always gonna be there and that that's kind of what I've um picked up on in the last couple of years where it's like I can go back to school whenever I want, like I can't relive my 20's so um.

Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Mhm, yep. Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah, yep.


No. And yeah, you're exactly right because you can always go back, you know, somebody's grandmother is always working on her dissertation, you know, I mean, you can do that whenever, but you know, if you want to, you know, do something crazy, you know, move to phoenix for a couple of years, you know, now is the time to do that. Mhm. Um


Yeah. Okay.


Yeah,


cool. Because I mean, I know that when I upset we were my son in over touring campuses and one honors college tour, I asked


Thanks.


how many adjunct professors they had and I thought, yeah,


mm.


I thought the faculty members were going to revolt and I'm like, it's a legit question, they're like, we don't hear in the honors college and I'm like, all right, once


Uh huh.


we get outside this bubble, what do I find? You know? So, yeah, I mean I've got some friends who are gradient who just aren't working right now. So


the whole adjunct thing to um I uh one of the colleagues I went to school with he recently got his PhD and he's


what's


actually


the


in


latest?


the U. K. Right now on a post stock. But


One,


um yeah he uh adjunct for uh I think he adjunct for a year. Yeah he did for at least a year. And um just the way that he was talking about it like I've never heard about


The


it


time.


about really adjunct in until he was talking about. It sounded terrible. And then um I think I stumbled upon some documentary that was talking about you know the education system and all this stuff and how Adjuncts are working you know maybe teaching 345 classes a semester and barely able to like pay you know rent and like have

Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Thank


you know


you.


their living expenses covered and I'm like gosh that sounds absolutely terrible. Um


Yeah, they're making $6 an hour by the time, you know, kind of, it's just, it's insane. I mean it is the worst of the gig economy and academia having a, you know, some kind of monster baby.


Absolutely I never even thought of it like that. But that is really kind of, it's like the, the academic gig economy before the gig economy went mainstream, you know? So,


Yeah, I mean it's crazy. So, yeah, I mean I have some friends who are not very happy with anything out, you know, do anything else. So, but they are selling here in rural michigan big like £50 bags of carrots for deer and corn and sugar beets and I kind of forgotten like oh yeah, people hunt you know they're waiting for dear. Mhm. Okay.

mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah,


No, that's no, it's funny that you mention that because it's deer season around here and um in the small town that I grew up in


continue.


um remember all through elementary school, middle school, high school, we have like a whole week off and they call it mea weekend or I mean me a break, which is, you know, just education for like teachers or whatever. But a lot of people say what it really is is just so people can go out and deer hunting stuff without like missing work or missing school. So, um yeah, that's, that's actually something that I haven't purse taking it and for a long time. But yeah, it's funny you mention that because.

Mm hmm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah.


Um opening day in Michigan is November 15 and I think, am I right honey, that ford postpones the acknowledgement of columbus day until it's veterans Day they never observed. So ford motor company doesn't observe veterans Day on veterans Day, it's always Whatever is the closest to the weekend that includes the 15th. So there's a long weekend for hunting is your opener friday. Yeah.

Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Oh really?


I didn't know that. That's super funny. Um


it's very funny but I mean like so


pragmatic.


yeah, so my boys were involved in Boy scouts and it's like a sacred weekend like there is nothing that happens that weekend because you know everybody's out funding the camp out their service presence, it was like why what somebody told me like ok there, there we go. That makes sense.


I grew up in a small town, but there were like tiny, tiny like farming communities, you know, around around our town and they're all the same way where like on in deer season, if you drove through


Especially.


one of these towns, like nobody's really out, like the stores are obviously open, but the only people are going into them, you know, they're going into the hardware stores to get like supplies for hunting and they're all wearing like their their Blaze orange and stuff like that. And you can always tell like uh like the oncoming cars, like who are hunters and who aren't because you know, they're usually driving trucks, but you can see the blaze orange literally from a, you know, a half mile away. So yeah, it's it's one of those interesting cultural things that like when you tell somebody that you're like from like a rural area, like they just don't obviously understand like how big, you know, that is in a place like this,

Mhm Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah. It's really funny. I made the comment earlier today driving through town. I'm like, oh this is a truck driving town. Like you can't live in this town unless you drive a truck and my husband's like what? Like you can't drive a car, you got to drive a truck, you know and live here. Yeah. It's


Which


really, I've


is,


always go ahead. Uh


I was just gonna say like we're from, you kind of like need to drive trucks. But I like I dated a girl that was from texas and all the people down there that drive trucks. You know, it's not necessarily for, you know, the things that we use it for where it's like hauling or like farm work or you know, just to get through the snow. It's like to, you


I


know,


am.


because everybody else has trucks while she drove her truck up here and it was a two wheel drive and I didn't even know that like you could buy two wheel drive. So every, every winter she's getting stuck in her truck and I'm like, this is why we started dating. I thought like I'd be able to use your truck to like do the fun things, but you keep on getting stuck. So yeah,


That's


it was.


not good. Yeah, it's, it's the the all wheel drive in snow tires have made my life tolerable because I hate driving in the snow. But yeah, that combination I can function and not get stuck. Yeah, but they're not getting stuck is the most important part. That's my biggest fear so.


Yeah, I drove a car and I've gotten stuck a couple times and luckily I've been able to look kind of like shift my way out. But yeah, it is like, it's kind of like scary even if like you're in the middle of town getting stuck. It's like, well crap like I've got, I've got stuff to get to and like I'm stuck so pads.


What am I going to do now? So where you are, do you guys get like those like the constant big blizzard, deep, deep snow stuff or does it sort of come and go and or does it stay?


it comes in like, so it comes and goes because it's, it's really dry out here. So um North Dakota get, you know, it's really


windy here um especially in the east part of the state and you know, since we live in the valley to all that air kind of like flows, you know, towards the river and stuff. But yeah, like we, we do get like our big snowstorms, but mostly it's just so cold and dry that um we, we kind of avoid some of that, like it's not consistent like every single week, we don't get like, you know, mounds and mounds of snow. But I mean, I mean there's like entire months, like in january, in february, you can expect that the temperature isn't gonna be above, you know, zero for, you know, the entire time period. So um

right. Mhm. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Right. Yeah.


Yeah.


yeah,


I met is michigan kind of the same way then,


So


or?


we're like Detroit so we're like south like you know northern Ohio kind of on and we'll get snow and then it will warm up and go away and get like it doesn't come and stay and stay and stay and stay and stack up. That's kind of rare. But you know like the northern peninsula of michigan it just stays frozen tundra. But I don't think it's all that bad. We used to live in Wisconsin and it was about the same. But yeah, we don't get the super cold like you guys get. Um I mean very rarely I think once in the past 10 years has it stayed you know, double digit negatives, you know for like 24 48 hours or whatever. Um couple years ago the locks in her house froze like, you know, That was kind of that was kind of crazy. All right. We're at 26 minutes. But yeah, I mean it's not

Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Really? Oh yeah. Oh


no.


it's not as cold as you guys get. So


Well, it's been nice talking to you. It's, you know,


I'm talking to you to have a good year at school and stay safe.


Yeah. You too, you know where your mask when you need to and uh you know, I have a safe trip.


Yeah. Thank you. We we stopped at this little party store convenience store kind of place and we were the only people wearing masks and we're like, oh we're in the middle of nowhere. This is not good.


Yeah. Do you want? Mhm. Yeah, wow. Mhm. Yeah, mm. Oh. Uh huh. Mhm, mm. Yeah. Yeah. What? Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm, wow. Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. It Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Yeah. Quick. Oh right. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. God. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mr Okay. Mhm. With Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Uh huh. Okay. Hello? Okay. Mhm Okay. Mhm, mm, mm, mm hmm. That's not, come on. Can you hear me? I see your lips moving but I don't, I don't hear you. I can see if I can turn it up? What? Well? Mhm Yeah. Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. We're not Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. I don't hear you. Um Senior lips but I am not getting so Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Sleep. okay. You can Yeah. What his Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Mhm. Uh huh. Yeah. Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah.


Does it work


Yes, it's working.


right now? I can't hear you?


Can you hear me now? Um Okay. I'll refresh what about now?


Um Now one weapons. Yeah.


No?


Hello? Can you hear me? Yes.


you hear me? Yeah.


I'm so sorry. I was like shit,


Well.


this is gonna ruin everything. But um I hope you have time to make up for lost time.


Yeah, I do. Uh huh.


I'm sorry. Yeah, I have. I don't know why I didn't work because yesterday I did something very similar in it. I don't know I got paid so. Okay. Anyway, this is


is


the


Brexit


first time I've done something


something like


like this. So I I


I was


was


just


just hoping


oh yeah. Um Yesterday I had one where I was doing like a mock interview. So um


That sounds more stressful.


And it took like 20 minutes and it's like you had to just like answer interview questions but look in the camera and I don't know. So. Okay.


Oh yeah, I think I did that or something like that too. We've got a person. Mhm. Yeah. So um what do you, what do you do, first of all, what's your name,


No,


Your


I'm


first


gonna


name, china? I'm on


What is your name,


Lauren.


Laura? I'm Hillary. Cool. Nice to meet you.


Um So have you been doing this for a long time or?


Only a week. Like do you mean like the prolific stuff or serve it? Yeah, just like a week. I was trying really hard to get to some like remote jobs. I was trying that I was trying, what is it? Like a lion bridge and um, happen and I don't know, I was just like, I need to do something with like the two hours extra I have today to make money.


you're just like, you don't have a commute anymore, so you just have extra time. Mhm.


Exactly. Um,


Mhm,


but otherwise I'm still working full time. I'm a marketing manager at a nonprofit.


temporary.


So


mm. Yeah so that transfers pretty well to being online at least.


yeah, it does. Unfortunately. I'd like to not be online all the time, but the necessity.


Yeah. Yeah it's um it definitely is like messing with my sleep patterns. You know just being online all the time and you never leave your job. People


It's like,


won't help


you.


I'm sitting differently I guess I'm not working now. Like


We'll be


what?


in a different area. Yeah.


Yeah, depending. And then the zoom meetings. I mean obviously this is like one thing, but I ate like having to get on a video call when it's like conference calls used to be chill. Like I don't know if you have to deal with conference calls, but now everyone wants to do a video chat when the conference calls used to just be a thing where like you didn't have to see people and


You just heard them yeah through the phone. Yeah we're doing zoom meetings as well but I can just turn off my camera.


oh my coworkers get weird about sean. Are you there? Are you there? Like, Yes. I just like, could I get up and use the bathroom for a second? Weird.


yeah that's frustrating. It's all my meetings so they're so big. It doesn't matter as far as I guess but.


Yeah, we got like five people in our, so, um, I have to do a bigger one today with like a group of people. Um, but again, it's different cause I'm like hosting. It's one thing if you're hosting, it's another thing if it's like, I don't really have to be in this conversation, like, but


You know


you can watch


I guess


me sit


if you


here.


not only have to be there have to be showing your face and all that.


The guys, I kind of


So


feel bad


how,


for like the older people who like, I don't know if you've come across this, but I mean I'm just saying older people, less tech savvy people who like They get into the call and they leave and there's like 10 minutes where they're just like trying to get in, so um


I've seen a lot of that as well. No. Um So so otherwise are you um enjoying no commuter? Any benefits to not having a commute? All right.


Well I've been lucky, like I've never, I've always kind of put myself in a situation on my commute can, like I became bike or something or walk to work. Um


that's nice.


So I've lived in pretty rural areas, so that's like especially lucky, but yeah, I appreciate not having to leave, but that used to also be how I got like my exercise, so Uh huh


not moving around as much as I used to. Um That is lucky that you can bike even being in a rural area. I'm in a rural area too and there's there's no way I could make the work. Um That's that's nice but I'm definitely not moving as much I'm just like moving from the bed to the couch.


Call, are you um staying inside like pretty strictly or is that just like a lifestyle thing?


Um It is uh I'm only it's because of right now um I'm not like going anywhere except for the grocery but once a week so trying to stay home and then I mean I used to I was working you know going to the site every day and now it's just like I'm home right now so that a whole lot thing


Yeah, I've been bad, I've been like walking to, there's a cafe that's open near me, so I've been walking there every day just to like


just


go


to


on


get


and


out.


get coffee. I'm not, I'm pretty sure I got like, the covid um


I don't know.


I'm pretty sure I got it in like february. Um Like my symptoms were like, spot on. I got my entire office sick. They all had like, the symptoms


Crazy.


and I'm really, yeah, I've been thinking about getting with the antibody test or whatever, just to see.


It would be nice to know because then you wouldn't have to worry so much about going anywhere just to be you're safe. Uh huh.


I still wear


Since


the


like,


mask and everything, but um Okay.


but if you have the already tests, you wouldn't necessarily have to if you already got it.


Yeah. I don't know if you can give it to other people though. Like, I want to want to give it to sound like if you can carry it without being sick after you've already been sick, like nobody knows.


Yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah, Probably better safe than, sorry then. Yeah. So is is your area somewhere that was like endemic initially? Um two It was there a lot of people getting sick there or? Yeah.


pretty much. Um But like, but far enough removed where by the time people realized it was bad, it was like, still manageable, You know, It's just like, okay, like we're going to take precautionary measures up. There's like one person who has it now, like it's here. Um


Yeah. Yeah.


Just pretty crazy. Um And I think probably anywhere that has an airport that's more likely two, I looked pretty close to a regional airport,


Metro


so.


area things like that. Yeah.


Have you been doing the prolific or whatever stuff for a long time or


No, no, I just started because of all this and I just don't have much to do. Um I'm


so?


a teacher remember, so it's and that was like it's winding down to the end of the year. Um And so much that in this area, in my particular county, students given the option of whether or not they just want to pass for credit or if they want their numeric grade. So at this point this semester it's May and if they were already passing and didn't want to do the extra work to try to get the grade up, then they just selected pass and they're done. So I just haven't had a whole lot. I've had like maybe 10 or 15% of students who are still actively participating. So I'm kind of a thing. So amazing will try to go for something with my extra time. Mhm.


I mean you get nor do you normally get like a whole break coming up soon like in the summer?


In mid june yeah, mid june


yeah, so a little


so


earlier.


it's quite early. Um This is not the worst thing in the world. It's just, it's just been a weird year, you know, I don't feel like I've done as much as what should have happened, but.


that's too bad. I


That's


have


just come out with,


of interns where I work and one of them just was like, I'm done like their high school interns and yeah, I haven't worked with high school interns like this type of, so I met like a new job even so I got the job within two weeks, I had to start working remotely, which kind of sucks, but we've been working with the interns remotely and one of them has been pretty consistent and the other one was kind of just like I'm going to go hiking today. It's like you want to tell me what you're doing, can you just do the


Still


thing that


show.


I asked you to do or I don't know? And then she emailed me and she was like, nobody else has to work right now, so I'm not gonna do it, that's like,


gosh.


but we have another intern that's working. So I just,


It probably depends on like their internal motivation


well


because even like within my really good students, you know, like no other students, it's still like participation sketchy once they figured out that, you know, they could just take the new air great and they're done. Yeah.


I know high school start from me so I don't blame them. I totally would have done that. It's like I already know like I'm ready for college or to not go to college like get me out of here.


Pretty typical. Especially when you're like, you've already done your applications or everything. Stone, especially for seniors in our, in our county, they just like they were either done or not when we got out in March. That was it. It's so weird and you're kind of hasty and in that particular decision because none of the numeric grade, it's just passed or not.


um I think that's fair I guess, I don't know.


I don't know all the logistics of everything


You


with them.


mentioned a lot of socializing and like perseverance that's needed. Then you don't get to be like in a place physically. I think like I've


Some


been slacking


of,


that work not because I want to, but just as like as so distracted, I couldn't imagine being like a high schooler trying to like sit down and do all this work.


Oh yeah, for sure. There are some that driving it, but those students were ones that were already, you know, self motivated and mature students, most of them just, they've never done anything like this before and they don't understand, you know what it means to to manage your time and with the importance is and all that, so I don't blame them. It's it's very hard and I suspect bring some of this remote stuff in the fall two and hopefully we can have a better system by then. But I cautiously optimistic about it. Mhm


Yeah, I don't know. We're so, I have to like plan things like events and my whole job so far, it was supposed to be planning these events, but now I'm like doing damage control with cancellations and like maybe we can do it like at the end of the year and then like numbers


everyone,


like that, it's like keep pushing for this end of the year day or like I just say like, yeah, it's cancelled, like the school's canceled,


I don't


sorry?


know what's tough, so like big big events that would be


Regional events. Yeah.


joe vents. Yeah, yeah. Um I also do a lot of dog shows, I don't plan them. Um but I I go to a lot of dog shows um and I'm seeing those cancel left and right and the decisions of the clubs are having to make versus, you know, making a date for like october or november versus just canceling the entire thing. It's, it's crazy and I don't envy you or any of them trying to make those as far as like cutting their losses or trying again. Okay.


Oh well in the nonprofit world were like having a hard time like getting funding from like government agencies now because they're kind of going through some austerity and so that's kind of like the most stressful part of all of this too is like you can play in an event, but then if you lose half your funding for it because the government, like I'm not going to pay you any more than that sucks.


it's not going on


luckily


money.


that's out of my hands but just barely out of my hands, like I definitely have to be paying attention to it. Okay.


Yeah, I'm sure that is like making the decisions on whether or not to cancel or entirely or


I would like to cancel it. In my in my


from.


opinion, I would just cancel everything. We can do virtual events. Um


Whatever.


There's something really cool local um like gallery did where they had like a they had like an artist show off their work virtually. Okay so set up in a gallery and artist was there talking about his work and someone was like and it was well produced. Um It was a live event and then they coordinated with a local restaurant to do like a date night takeout thing like for this event. And then they also had like I don't know if you've ever seen those like drink and draw things or like playing insect where people like get wine, they like do a painting. So they also like to coordinate all of this to like if you like as a bundled thing and it looks really cool. Like I I would have done it if maybe, I don't know, I mean I didn't but it seems like a good idea.

Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh. Um Yeah. Yeah. Mm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


Yeah. Let me really, have you understood anything? I think something's cool coordinated. No, I definitely think that like carrying on the side of cancellations, probably safer at this point, I don't even think we can think about events until next year, you know, not big events at least. Mhm. At least that's what I've been gathering from, from the clubs that have been doing, organizing shows and things like that. It's difficult. So do you have any hobbies, you?


but I'm not doing any of them so I have to take a second


No.


to think about it. Um What our hobbies again? Okay so um I like basically a lot but like very recreational e and I like writing my skateboard and what else? I like keeping my car clean. Um I


That's


like


good.


I like free writing. Um


Mhm.


And I went to school to be an illustrator but um I like got so burned out in college that I gave up for a little bit, I'm still giving up but not for very long hopefully but like doodling drawing. Um What else do I do? Um Oh I've been learning guitar, learning guitar this bill.


My husband in an illustrator. Um so that's, that's interesting.


Who's an illustrator?


My husband um he he also went to school for art. Um so that's luckily he didn't get burned out and he's still doing it.


Yeah. I don't know. I like was taking 15-19 credits a semester and I had some like personal issues that were distracting me and I don't know like I mean a lot of it was life but I went to like a university instead of an art school and I feel like that also contributed. Like, I don't know, I feel like sometimes people succeed no matter what kind of people are like, yeah, I'm just gonna do my best and like I really admire that and people, I just, I'm not that person I need like structured like help that the right kind of help or else I just like get unmotivated but


Yeah, I understand he also the university, but I think that part of the reason for his success is that um it was, he had already gone the community college and he did a different degree and then he decided that he really wanted to go to college for this thing later on. So he was an older student, I think that maybe helps out a little bit with that. And yeah, maybe it's just one of those people whose culture determined because somehow he keeps a schedule, you know like every day even


though he works for him, it's


Yeah, that's


pretty.


the that's the dream for the illustrators to like actually have a schedule and be busy and um but no, I guess my job is more like managing those people now. Just kind of ironic I thought, yeah, I worked with arts and stuff, so yeah,


this


I'm


year.


like still around, I just um for myself, I need something different that actually makes money right away. Mhm.


Yeah. Well that's I mean that's good though, you have the background and illustration when we managed people so


like


probably.


qualified to make judgment calls on people's art, kind of all I wanted.


Mhm. Yeah. Yeah I guess you didn't have like but like those critique classes or things like that, do you have like where you had to critique each other's art in class?


Like I felt like I was really good at critiquing in a way that was actually helpful and like specific.


Do you think that's a rare quality?


Um Only in my experience when I had other classmates just be like, I like it or like, I don't like that thing that you deal


and


with


I can't


describe


and it's like, okay, but can you could seek it, understanding the person's style and where they're coming from. And


Control


I don't know, my class was totally the loser class. Like, like the sort of class before. Like everyone kind of got into like, I don't know, they just seem to be successful. They are all from new york city. So that helps because you could go back to new york city, there's so many jobs like that, but my class was like the class of like, everyone was like in a frat or sorority for some reason and everyone was like falling asleep. I don't know. It's just kind of funny like


No


not like


absolutely.


the class before us one, like a bunch of like illustration awards and then like our class was just like I don't know, there's


Let


some


me


like


just,


school art school administrative change that I think did that to them. Um um


maybe


And I


admissions


was also an


was


older student so I just like couldn't relate to anyone and my teachers like refused to acknowledge I have had jobs before, you know like when you get in the real world and I'm like I know the real world stuff. I don't know. I don't know. That's getting grumpy.


That, yeah. Yeah I understand that. Yeah I guess like also if you're going back to like a rural area, it's really not easy to find jobs that are relevant to art


Yeah and then no one


for sure. It


that


is,


you're talking to who is usually good advice knows how like the art world hires, it's like no you don't make a resume for this, like you have to just be good if you're not good enough. Like does it matter how good you are talking an interview is the interview is your work? I don't know.


So did you mostly two d. dark art?


Um Yeah I do mostly I'm drawing and painting. So are you


I


crafty


have.


called or like what are your hobbies if I should ask?


Yeah, I know, I'm like absolutely not crafty and slightest, thank God my husband Alright, this um for me, I mean mostly what isn't taken up with teaching is taken up with my animals because I show my dogs um


okay.


things like that. So um there they're an interesting part of why I breed a rare breed of dog That is um there's probably only about 3000 in the United States, which is not, I'm compared to like, you know, hundreds of thousands of labs, you know?


is it very cute? Do you like your?


they, I wouldn't describe them as cute, they're they're pregnant to the greyhound. Um So they're they're a sight hound breed, they're very beautiful but they're not, you know long lanky like with


That's


things


so


like that.


though. I was kind of hoping you would say no for like when I asked that I was like oh my gosh I don't know anything about talks. Uh huh.


yeah, a


Oh


lot of people with their dogs are cute but these, I wouldn't describe them as cute.


that's that's cool. They're like majestic. Maybe you're like


Yeah, like that


that was it


elegant, very athletic.


but oh you're just a little silhouetted person now. Yeah.


Yeah, I see that. I don't know why. That's weird.


Um Hold on a second I might need to get a charger. Mhm. Okay. Okay. To come. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I don't know if this is I don't know if it's my connection or your connection or if it's the computer being like you're done talking now.


Um It could be my internet. Let's see.


I think we started technically at 90 Close to 9:05. I know I was having some issues with my microphone.


Yeah, I started a timer and it has two minutes left so I don't know if I should just try to refresh.


Yeah. Yeah. Right. Um Can


Let's


you


see,


see me still?


can see you. I can see you. Do you think it's refresh it to see? That's why did before?


Yeah I mean I guess you could refresh it. Right.


Yeah, let's see.


Oh okay. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Oh. Oh right mm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What? Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Uh huh. Yeah mm I'm going to assume this person is not coming back. Um I'm I'll give him five. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah. Can you hear me? Mm You hear me? Hi, You can can


hi.


you hear me? Okay.


I didn't hear you until now. I'm sorry that's so awkward. I was like filling out like that I guess she's not coming back.


I had to restart


Very


my computer.


humble.


I don't know what happened.


Oh sorry. Okay. Yeah, I feel like it's better if we finish


Chase


the two minutes or whatever. Right?


the two minutes or so. You know,


Well I'm not getting stepped out of my money


I


because


want.


there's the two minutes and we've worked so hard for this. I did start filling out the survey.


No.


Does. I hope that doesn't prove anything.


it started,


I left this open just in case that you came back though. I did believe you were trying.


literally trying to yeah, no, I started to, but I didn't finish yet. I just started looking at it because I was like I don't know if it's gonna come back but anyway.


That's funny. Okay. Yeah, I just I checked just to make sure I thought I would have like beeps or something if you go back made this opens.


I know. Um But yeah no I'm glad here's one of my dogs right she's not yeah


So elegant. Yeah.


long thin plates. They're cute. Good to me but maybe not not to most of the world.


First my friend has


who is similar?


it and um very lanky dog and it's so funny when he's excited. His like whole body just like


That's adorable.


shakes.


Yeah these are these are like probably £20, £30 heavier but they're they're just like a larger carrier with it. Mhm.


Mhm. My boyfriend and I, we had this like little like ragamuffin dog that was like half terrier and I was like a mix of like terriers and it just looked like a freaking like gray scraggly mop dog and like it was a mutt and we like rescued her and she was just pure muscle, she's like this big um and one time my boyfriend was walking, we didn't live in great neighborhoods and one time he was walking these kids were like following him kind of like you know talking crap and stuff and the like little scrounging dog. One of the guys have made fun of the dog and like the dog bit him

Oh Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Oh wow. Uh huh. Mhm mm. Oh wow.


Mhm. Yes I know


um like a tackle. Yeah. Yeah, she's like a fighter. You feel like,


it's


I don't know, it's just really cute. Um but now his parents have her because we couldn't like she has some digestive issues


warm.


so we couldn't keep her in the house really. We worked full time like dogs need freedom.


Yeah I have a dog door and it really helps any of that. I'm


Mm Cool. Yeah. We never really had a backyard where like we could just let the dog


That's what


out. Um, She plus she would just run away. She didn't care. He called her name. It should be like looking back, wagging


Every


her


man


tail


for himself


and like keep running.


that's


Yeah. Well she was a moment. So I guess it just happened with their, they're just like yeah I can handle it. I'll be back in a few days.


funny.


I don't know.


Maybe the background of the dog or just used to. Mhm. Right okay


she was a good dog.


that's good.


She's very loving.


That's good. That's that's what matters the most. Mr


Yes. If she gives


no.


good snuggles what she did.


Yeah he's out of the house a lot too I imagine. And that that makes everything


I think


kind


that


of difficult. I said he's out of the house


what was that?


all the time to like full time so that makes it hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I think that probably is to minutes or so. Ah


I think so too. Um


Thanks for you.


Well it was nice meeting you. Um and good luck with your everything


The left.


during this time. Um, but yeah, I know uh It's stressful I either like very stressed or not stressed at all about it but,


it's like panic mode or not. Yeah. Oh


All


and Nasa.


good luck out there. Yeah.


Right it was nice talking.


Was that


Bye.


Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Right. Revolution couple. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm, mm. Mhm. Yeah. Congratulations. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm, mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm. Thank you both. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Mhm. Actually, welcome back. Mhm. Wait, Okay. Sure. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Good morning. Yeah.


Whoa.


What? Hello? Can you hear me?


I can hear you.


Can you hear me?


right. Yes, I can.


Sorry, I'm like


No.


two minutes late.


No problem. Uh So let me just close out of this window. All right.


I might have to lock my dog in another room if he doesn't shut up.


No, I I understand that. So, how's it going? Uh


Good. How are you doing where you at?


right now I am in the midwest. How about you


I'm in the midwest


that?


to


Well, I guess when I said Eastern Time, that's probably how they paired us up along


What state do you?


michigan. How about you?


I hate to bring up politics. But how do you feel about that little thing that happened with your governor?


it's quite the story. Uh you know, it's uh


A little crazy.


yeah, a little bit little crazy that something like that's happening right now, you know, you don't think about that is something that, you know, I guess I'll just say I didn't expect to wake up and read that that on the news, you know?


It's 2020. I kind of expect anything these


No


days.


no that's a good point I guess. I really shouldn't be surprised about anything I read anymore. So what's the uh what's the idea here? Is it just that we have a conversation, is that


Is this


the


your


future?


first time doing this?


It's the first time I'm doing it successfully. Normally I just sit on here, people don't show up and then that's it.


How many times have you tried?


I think this is my 5th or 6th.


What?


So yeah no it was so this is the second time that I've seen this pop up, the first time was like a few months ago and I tried to like kept trying and trying and it just never worked. So eventually I just ended up saying yeah I'm done with that, but it popped up again so I was like I'll give it another shot.


My I've done five pride. Fuck my first one. And yeah, it's pretty much like this, we're just gonna we're gonna talk for 25 minutes. I said a so the stopwatch, I mean if we go to a half hour, who cares? I mean you right out


Yeah.


I'll let you know 25 minutes is up. But my first one was a no show. Um


yeah


I'm not really used to doing like zoom or videoconferences or this on my computer. My second one, the partner showed up, but I was using Firefox


Fox


and for whatever reason, even when I allow like the webcam and audio and Firefox, it doesn't care, it doesn't allow


just


it for whatever


he didn't


reason.


want to work. Fuck.


so I felt kind of creepy and I felt like a jerk because that guy was just there and I was staring at him, he didn't know I was here. Um and now I just use Chrome this, this will be my third conversation and it will be my third in the road that is hopefully successful.


Yeah. Yeah. So long as neither of our internet goes out, I think that we're probably fine.


And honestly, I've had, I think with each one, there were like a few few moments where it made me a little nervous because like I or the other person froze up but come back each time. So um last couple conversations were great. First two didn't happen, but yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh yeah. Mhm. Yeah. No.


So is this exclusively on prolific then or are you using a different survey website?


I kind of think it's just prolific.


Okay. Yeah, that's something I wasn't sure if it was just people from everywhere, if it was mostly that website?


How long have you been doing, prolific?


Well, I actually had an account probably like five or six years ago when I joined it. I had heard about it. uh but in 2014 or 15 I heard about in one of my college classes. And at the time I think you still needed a college email address to sign up for it. Because


That was,


like at the yeah, so I signed up when it was like you needed the college email address and then you needed the. Yeah there was a couple other stipulations, I think you might have even had to send like a picture of your college I. D. In order to get, because I think it was pretty much exclusively lee college students serving other college students, you know,


joe got


And then I kind of the I use it for a while like freshman year just to get some extra money for you know, Taco Bell or something probably. And uh you know, it's uh I stopped getting survey so I forgot about it. And then it popped up on a website that was going, I wonder what's going on there. This was you know, during the coronavirus, I had some extra time at the house. So I opened it back up and uh I was like oh there's a lot more surveys now, there used to be. So I've been I've been doing it on and off. Just use it for some extra money here and there.

mm hmm. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


I think I started off in late february, early March of this year and there were a lot of surveys that there's, man it's hit or miss, it is really hit or miss. I don't know if you run it at all. Um


I've read it.


There's there's beer money, which beer money is pretty, pretty well known.


Yeah. That's that's actually what uh made me start thinking about this again. And then on that beer money subreddit and this guy brought up again. But no, I


And then there there's one specifically


in one.


for prolific. It's called prolific. A. C. If you're on beer money enough, you'll probably see it.


Right. Yeah. No, this I tried some of the other survey websites, you know, I think like surveyed junkie and like swag bucks and stuff, but I just got tired of getting like 80% done with a survey only to get disqualified. So I'm like, I'm done with that. Um


Right


right


now


now.


I


think


think I


have


like


like $33


on survey


dr


junkie. I rarely use it. Yeah, I keep


My


it


team. Okay.


I usually keep it up in chrome


You don't think?


because of that webcam thing. If I do firefox half the time when there's like a webcam survey, it doesn't tell you. Um So I keep it up in chrome and that way if there is then I can just,


Do


it.


won't be a problem. Um That $30 has probably taken me two or 3 weeks


that's


all


still not bad, like.


mm But I I almost never do surveys there. If I see what it's like uh the last time that I cashed out


Thank you.


it seems like it's always easier to me after you cash out. It's well no it's a lot harder after you cash out because your balance is zero. You're like man I'm gonna end up with a dot like I'm gonna have


Just like


now,


that.


you know Instead of having like $40 and now you got 43. But after I cashed out the last time, one of the first surveys that I did was like $6 Survey, I think it was like 20 minutes and those are gone. And if they screen you out right away they screen you out right away and if not great.


I don't mind getting screened out right away. It's just the ones where you can get so far into it and then they screen you out.


Um One that I actually use a lot. Let me see what my balance is out there right now. Que me, I'm sure


Country.


you know what that is


Yeah. You know, I keep hearing people talk about it. I haven't actually looked into it much, but right


My


my balance


what balance


is actually


actually?


a penny short of $230 and that's probably from three or 4 weeks.


Is that so I'm gonna go ahead and guess that you pretty much do surveys and stuff full time then? Right.


I wouldn't necessarily call it full time.


What?


I keep them on the computer all the time. Um


okay.


And I keep them up in the background. If I see one like on cue me, they usually have I think I don't think that their surveys go above a buck 58 which kind of makes me a little mad because I'm pretty sure they're probably getting a lot more for that, seeing this scene the same ones on cue me and on survey junkie. Um But the good thing about que me is it will have Like 15 minutes in one corner and then half the time like once enough people have done them, It'll have like you know 15 minutes estimated. And then in the Right lower

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Mhm Yeah. Okay. Okay.


Yeah.


corner it'll say like seven minutes. So the average human user has taken seven minutes. If I see a buck 58 15 minutes. But the average Cuban user has taken seven. I'll do it. It says estimated 15 minutes and the average human user is taking 35. I'm not doing it.

Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Mhm


Yeah. No, that's just


I


not


actually


working time.


yesterday


Yeah. You want.


I had a there was a bunch posted on humi for, it's a like a movie site. They do like got on a movie reviews or living


like that.


in the movies whatever, but it's called pilot lee. And yesterday I think I did 65 or six Surveys are there? There were about five minutes each. Um and they were a buck 58 each. So, so I did those, you know, like 15 to 25 minutes eight bucks. Like that's not bad.


Yeah. Yeah, that sounds bad at all.


So I donate plasma too. And I mean I make a decent amount of money doing that.


Yeah. no that's something I'd consider doing but I've always lived in areas that aren't were a little uh you would meet some interesting people, plasma donation centers also say


I actually, you live in michigan You have you lived in michigan your whole life? Okay. I


Oh,


live in northern Illinois.


more than okay. Yeah. Labour.


could, no joke. I could walk to Wisconsin in probably 7-13 minutes. That's, that's like normal normal walking pace, you know? Well I live right on the border actually to tell him that I lived in South Beloit and then as soon as you're across the border it's called Malloy. So it's pretty much it's considered different talents because it's different states, but it's pretty much the same thing. Um Mhm. Boy, depending on where you're at kind of dodgy

Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Okay mm. Yeah. Yeah.


Me.


kind kind of depends on where you're at um the plasma center that's in Beloit, I would actually consider to be one of the better ones and you still see some kind of dodgy looking people there.


Yeah, I mean it's just kind of the nature of it, you know, it's it's a lot of times not a small amount of money, you know like I think you know, depending on I know some places give you more if you do it like Four times, you know there's something like that but I want to see a friend that did it. That what is it around 50 or 60 bucks a pop. Usually you're a little bit less.


they actually just switched there like the way that they run it and it's different depending on which plasma like brand you go to I guess. Um It used to be 25


Well


and 50, your first donation of the week And then 50 or 55 for your second And then usually they would give you like an extra $20 for your 4th donation and the like 50 or 70 on your 8th.


You know,


Um, what they're doing now and they just started this a couple months ago. It's, you're basically, you're on like a rolling 35 day schedule And as long as you have eight donations within 35 days, you're making $51 a donation. I'm,

mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Uh huh. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Okay.


That's pretty good then.


But if you, if you get sick and you miss a month, then you're back down until you start off, I think it's like 27 and then each donation goes up a few bucks Until you're you get 51 again. Um, So yeah, I mean you could actually donate depending on where your days fall. You could donate up to 10 times in a month because sometimes it works out Like where you make 10 times, But I would say, you know, if I were to donate eight times in a month, $400 a month.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Oh yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah. I mean that's definitely not a small amount.


yeah, it's not gonna make you rich, but


No


it'll


but


pay.


it's also


No.


gonna yeah I was gonna say that they will pay a couple bills. No, I actually started off doing these surveys again. Um You know I had wanted to buy one of those drones and I was like you know, I don't really yeah I don't really have room in the budget to just go buy a drone. So I'm like you know what, I'll do? Some surveys, take the money I made from that and uh it was like 500 bucks, you know? So I I did that just for the the hell of having one and then after I got it then I was like fuck I would still keep doing them, you know? I got I got there quick enough,


I could have


I couldn't


two drones.


Yeah, I mean you could, there are a lot of fun, right?


Um, that's, it's kind of funny. Like I, I


Manipulating.


hate to get into politics again. I kind of consider myself to be yes towards like the left, the left, the left end of liberal. Um, but I'm also very pro gun, so I guess I'm a weirdo.


I think that that's just kind kind of what I that's a lot of the liberals, I've ran into him like, you know the midwest where it's like they're very liberal and a lot of things, but they also still like their guns. Okay. Yeah.


Um, well they're fun. I think they're fun, you know? And yeah, the way I look at it, I don't think that the shit's gonna hit the fan anytime soon, but if it did, if it did, I want to, you know, be able to protect myself. Well, even if the shit doesn't hit the fan, they're hopeful for that case you ever need to. Um, and you know, even besides that if, hey, you know, earlier this year, a lot of places had shelves that didn't have toilet paper on. There are few places, there are few places that had shelves that didn't have much food on them. So you know, I mean if if it ever got to the point where the government, you know, government and suppliers can't get food to shelves. I got a rifle and go out and shoot rabbits and squirrels, you know. Um But I also kind of decided that you know, I keep doing surveys. I wouldn't spend, you know,

Yeah. Okay. Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah, exactly. Mhm. Yeah,


back


paychecks


in


or


fact,


any


getting


other income


on the right,


on guns. I would just basically only spend money that I get doing surveys and only about half of that top on guns because, but yeah,


But


I mean I've only, I've only even been going on gun on her for a year now. So, but


Yeah, I've had I'm for a little bit longer than that, although I guess just recently I got a Mossberg, shotgun. that was, my wife got it for me for my birthday and christmas last year, so I've been out


he's a keeper.


shooting. Yeah. Yeah, no, I went on did. So, uh, I've been doing a lot of, uh, you know, skeet shooting and just stuff like that. I was thinking about getting a hunting license this year, but probably wait until next year and then try to get some ducks and geese, some beer next year, you know? Yeah.


I've never, never actually gone hunting. Don't have any issue actually. I think that's more humane than eating freaking ground beef y'all you see that?


I was, I was telling my grandma about that and she was like, I could never kill an animal. I'm like, well, I mean I eat beef, I eat chicken. If I'm, if I'm drawing the line at an animal that at least lived its entire life in the wild.


that's that's exactly,


That's


man. Like,


man,


you know, you look


you


at, you look


look,


at the cows


if you look


we


at


eat,


me,


they're standing shoulder to shoulder, standing in their own crap, eating from from a trough.


yeah, loaded up with various kinds of chemicals and who knows what like,


Well, I don't, I don't know if they care about the chemicals, but it's not like they get to graze the pasture, enjoy their little alive. You know, you go out and shoot a deer. That thing got to drink from screams and Yes, right


At least had


here.


a better life. And don't get me wrong, I'm still gonna eat beef and I'm still going to eat you tricking bud. Yeah.


No, that's that's why


No, that's,


I am,


that's


I


why I,


eat meat,


you


but


need


when


what


I do get it, I try to eat all of it instead of


and


letting it go to waste. You know? We should.


no, personally I've been eating less beef, but that's part of the official because you know, beef is one of the ones that are really, you know, draining on uh, you know, the environment and everything. But also just because I've found not that I like fish and I like ground turkey and stuff quite a bit too. So,


Even


ground


know,


turkey.


I grew up, Yeah. But


I,


I grew up with, my parents were all beef and chicken and we didn't do much fish. We didn't do much anything else. So now that I'm,


you know,


you know, living on my own, it's a little bit different.


I'm not the hugest fan of turkey. I like turkey but it's just


So


doesn't


every


have enough


now


fat.


and again, yeah. Meyer has it on sale for life, 90 cents a pound and I'll buy a bunch of it then and it's pretty good. And like, you know, hamburger helper or you know, chili or something like that. I'm not just going to make a hamburger out of it. It's not that great. But if I'm mixing it in with


Well


something, I don't really notice


I


the difference.


well yeah. Yeah, I was gonna ask when you got that that Mossberg and you said last year probably like around a year ago. Yeah that's a good decision. Have you

Yeah. Yeah. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly,


no,


have


there,


you looked have you looked for anything recently?


no, I keep thinking about trying to get some sort of smaller concealed carry, but I haven't gone out and bought anything recently. Yeah.


You'll probably pay a lot for it right now.


Yeah, that's the thing. It's not the best time to buy right now from what I, what I understand, I have a couple friends that really just collect them and yeah, that's kind of what their gripe is. Yeah.


now I own a uh


What?


Call an A. R. seven, it's like a survival rifle, 22 and it's takedown rifle, like the barrel comes off, the receiver comes off and it all fits in the butt stock. Um I bought that I think late March, early april. Um Yeah and I own uh Taurus G to C nine millimeter. um


Oh,


that was


That


like


point


I think


and


out the door and one of the cheapest, you know, pistols you can get. That's not a what you call it, The ones that are junk like $180.


Mm. It's not the high points. Yeah.


thank


The


you.


high points, The blocky looking things.


Uh Yeah, actually you can't even buy those in Illinois because it's because of the metal that they're made out or at least that's what they say that they say, I don't know really technically has anything to do with Chicago. They don't want, you know, $150 against blood in the streets in Chicago. Um,

Mm Oh really? Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh.


Yeah, that's true. I didn't


but


get it.


you know, with that specific pistol, I looked up reviews and stuff. Everybody really only had good things to say about it. I've had probably close to 1000 rounds through. It never had an issue while couple issues with ammo, but that was


that


the animal's


I


fault.


bought,


Just wash your case. Well, steel case. The only thing, the only problem with it is that the primary


What?


strike didn't it didn't go on the first shot with the primary. Oh


Yeah.


The only other issues that I have had with it is that I did get a 32 round mag for the range. Uh The other the other cheap mag brand pro mag. Um And that thing's junk, it's fun when it works but it usually doesn't work. Um And right now I actually also have


It has.


they were on back order but I have uh an A. R lower coming stripped lower strip received. I shouldn't say a lower it's a stripped receiver. Um And it's I also have a caltech, it's called the p. or no p. 17 rather. And it's It's a tiny little 22 pistol that holds 17 rounds. And that I think $185 out the door. And my, one of my main reasons for that is because

Right. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Mhm Yeah. Mhm Yeah.


Great.


right now depending on where you buy ammo, you're paying if you found an animal for 25 cents around for nine millimeter right now that would be a hell of a deal.


Yeah. And that 22 is so cheap to do.


Exactly. And even now like that's going for like 15 cents most places, you know, or more. Uh and that's you know, a year ago when I got, when I originally got my nine, I was buying nine millimeter rounds for 12 13 cents apiece right now. 21 for what nine was going for.

Mhm Okay. Mhm Yeah. Yeah. Mhm, mm hmm. Yeah.


Yeah. No, I I ended up buying a bunch of 22, I have a smith and Wesson rough rider, just a little 22 of revolver, a little sick shot. But I bought like, he was like 1000 or 2000 rounds because I got like an insane deal on it. It was like a couple of coupons that stacked on top of each other. So I think I'm getting it for like half a penny around under something ridiculous like I paid like almost nothing for it. So


Yeah. That's


yeah, that's


I think


the cheapest


that I ever


could


saw


I?


was like 1.2 cents around.


I think I think it was point 6.7 cents around is one and it was because there was like two or three coupons that were never supposed to stack on top top of each other. But they know there is an air in their system. So the company definitely lost money out of out of me for that one. Oh


hey


We're getting close


We're


to


getting


minutes but I'm gonna give


property.


you a couple of tips about prolific. These are things that I never


Thing that I never


um post on the website because I'm kind of stingy and I don't want it to be common knowledge. But you know if I. P. M. One person, if I tell


I tell


you you


you


seem


like


think.


a cool guy um if you ever get a higher dollar survey that comes through and it says zero places remaining, keep that up, it just keeps spamming the button. I'd say about 3 3 or four


But


times out of five. I keep spamming that button and I eventually get it. But those


I've


are like


never tried that.


usually usually those are on surveys that are like


No money.


No


know usually the ones that come through that have


understand


zero places


dropping


remaining Are like Alex are more 3, 3 problems or more I guess I should say


pounds


problem. And


and


for example,


for example


I think


two weeks


about two


out,


weeks


ago


ago,


I had one come through that was posted as 15


lbs. Um And it was


it


was,


was a video


I


similar


don't


to


know.


the and not really


Well


similar to this. It was a conferencing sort of survey. Um And


Yeah.


there was the research was there and then I was paired up with one other person. We just had to repeat things that we were seeing from a link. She was doing like a language study was an asian girl. She's she's nice sweetheart. Um But when that one came up it was no joke, it was zero places remaining and I kept spamming it for like five


Bye.


minutes, got up smoke to have a cigarette laid back down, spending a couple more


What?


times checked on cuba to see if there were any good surveys. There went back spending a couple more times and after clicking it like three or four times it was saying you know sorry, Surveys full and after clicking it like four or 5 times after


coming back after clicking it probably 50 times. Finally let me in.


I wonder if that's like because people are dropping out or something and not


completing.


think that's exactly what it is. But I think at a certain point um You know prolific probably doesn't repost it right away. They might wait an hour for a year until the next day or whatever. Um And a lot of people don't know that if you leave it up and keep spamming it like that there's a good chance you actually will get in.


I'll have to keep fine.


I've actually had a bunch where I just keep clicking it and then I go and I'll do something else for a minute. Go back to it, click it again, you know 2030 times and I'm like all right, you know just


But


one last


what?


time just for shits and giggles. And I click it and allow the pop up screen. Like did you


No.


hear like okay?


Yeah there was one that came through, it was like 10 or $15 and I was like play this video game or something and I was like I started as soon as it refreshed I clicked it was already empty so so I wish I would have uh would have known about that but I'll definitely keep it in mind for next time.


Like I said, man, it doesn't work every time, but more often than not.


I


there's a possibility that it will.


Well, it's more likely than not. I'd say more than 50% of the time I end up getting in.


Yeah. Well I appreciate that. Oh I think


Well,


that yeah that's over the time so I'll,


You're a cool guy. You're a cool guy. But they're only paying us to do a 25 minute conversation.


Exactly. So no.


We have a couple of minutes. Um I wish your governor luck. Yeah.


Yeah I


Which


wish your state


you


law


want risky work. All right


Have


man, fun.


a good one but


for me. Hello?


Hello


Can you hear me?


a little bit. Can you hear me? How are you?


Uh I'm okay yourself?


I'm okay too, thank you.


Mhm. Um This uh how many of these have you done?


I think this is my Like my 4th or 5th I would say. What about you?


About the same, yeah. Um It seems like a


What?


pretty, I said about the same. It seems like a pretty of the survey's I've done on the site. Seems like a pretty good one.


Yeah it's a pretty good incentive. Like usually like are you on just prolific or you're on other other things do?


No I'm just.


usually gonna, there's never like an individual survey that goes like over like $5 for the most part. So like a $10 1 is pretty good.


Yeah that's true. Yeah, some of the surveys to their


No.


bit, I just remember doing one that was like you had to like look for the numbers that added up To 100 or something out of like a field of like 200 numbers. And And and at first I was like Oh cool because it was like it was like $5 or something. I was like Oh cool. So I was doing it for about 10 minutes after 10


What


minutes, like I don't think I can do another 45 minutes of this.


we


I quit.


will publicly advertised time on that?


Um You was an hour.


Oh wow. I feel like they


Is


should pay more for that I think. Was it like $5 and like us dollars or British dollars?


us dollars. Yeah, so some of them are a little like, like I don't mind answering a lot of questions, but if there's like a lot of cognitive load involved. Mhm.


because the questions can be just like long but like they're not like too much effort on your part because they're pretty simple.


Right. Right. But if you have to like do a bunch of math or something, I guess that's not really math, but it's it's still like mentally a lot more taxing than answering questions about yourself.


Yeah I think I got like the worst one I got was actually today it was like a 40 minute study and it was something about like memorizing like text and I had to speak it back into like the computer.


That sounds right. Yeah. I think the best ones are just like when it's like a dollar for like two minutes of questions and like sweet. Uh huh.


Yeah, because those add up to and it's like not too much.


Yeah. Uh What part of the country are you in


I'm from the east coast. What about you?


West Coast?


Cool. What brings you to the west coast?


Uh huh. Good question. I guess my dad a long time ago I got a job out here. Um


That's cool.


Have you always lived on the East Coast or?


Oh yeah, my entire life.


Cool. Yeah. It's weird. Um I don't know about you, but I've only been partnered with opposite coast people.


That's weird. My last one was actually from the same coast as me. Maybe there's a lot of east coast people and you're getting all of them.


maybe. Yeah, I guess there's more population on the East Coast in general, so that could be it. Um Yeah, there was a guy from Florida to people from New York and one person from Massachusetts.


That's


So um, it's it's uh, I don't know what latitude you're at, but I'm north enough that it's getting dark around like 4:00


No


these days. So I had,


For me like this one sets around like 4:30 and it's darkly like five. Yeah.