And that's and it's the same thing with writing like and with my pros and stuff that's been published, it's about writing really densely and not not literally the verbosity


I think,


so much. It's just like getting a


bunch


lot


of people.


of information across without too much flowery language. Uh then people just lose interest. You know, we get all drifting


fluffing things out and making like one count.


trump


Because


up.


I do someone for text broker and you know, they have like a word count without, but it's like these boring ass articles that you spend like three hours. We're just looking forward to make like five bucks. So I'm like, I think I perfected the way that you can just throw in a bunch of killers shit and nobody


I'm bad. I'm


or


bad at that.


well, nobody's noticed that don't call me out on it, so. Mhm.


And in fact in the survey that we're going to do after this, there's three blocks where I have to write 50 words And I have trouble filling in the 50 words because I there's just not


Yeah. All right. So


I just won't hold up.


I


What?


know. Yeah. Then you just kind of, you just kind of roll with it la la la la la la la la but like I can get the entire point of the conversation across and like three sentences for something, you know?


Yeah. Like I just need like one or two. Something needs to answer your question. I


Thank


could.


you. Yeah, I think the first one I was like and by the way, 50 words is a little excessive, Requiring 50 words just means that people are going to do that, they're just gonna build.


Yeah. You're going to be away from everybody's time here. Like the person reading it writing that.


Mhm. I mean 25 words would be fine like so you're not doing just two words and you're required to do at least two sentences or something. But 50 words come on guys. You know you're watching this scientist if he were a little excessive. So what do we have? Uh we got one minute that one minute one minute remaining I'm gonna roll a cigarette.

Mhm. Yeah. Mhm, mm hmm. Uh huh. Uh huh. Mhm. Mm.


That one. What's your favorite color?


Yellow,


All


I fucking love yellow and black and grey. Black and grey and yellow. Mm.


All right. Great to dream against like a gray sky or anything. It's just fucking beautiful to me. Awesome.


Especially like yellow, yellow. Like glossy plastic yellow. Like I had, my sunglasses are heart shaped and


The


they're colossi


tree.


plastic yellow. And I don't know. I don't know if that's something to my brain. I love it. Well, all right brother. I hope you have


What?


a great rest of your name. It was nice talking


Likewise?


to you. Uh huh.


Yeah Yeah, mm Oh thank you. Oh yeah. Well Oh mhm Yeah mhm Yeah mhm Yeah, mm Mhm mhm No mhm, mm hmm. No. Mhm Yeah. Uh huh


Can you hear me? Hi, can you hear me?


Yes you can hear me.


Yes, I have a loud roommate or downstairs neighbors, so I had to put my headphones on.


No, you're good. You're good problem.


How are you?


I'm good. How are you?


Good, And where are you located? Can I ask?


Yeah, I'm in texas. Austin texas.


Oh wow, I'm in Chicago.


Oh my gosh. Must be so much nicer up there right now. Mhm


Nicer.


Like weather wise


Mhm. It's freezing. Are you getting lots of rain?


We don't get like much rain in Texas. It's pretty dry right now. It's like I didn't think in the 70's mhm


Yeah, here, it's like 35. Yeah. So when you said that, I'm like, okay, you haven't been to Chicago in the like winter, have you?


People but


Because this is it's nice and sunny here, but it's like the temps are dropping, so I just got home from getting groceries because our city is going into a like a shutdown for


role?


Covid. Yeah, so it's like crazy at the the grocery store, like you can only take one thing of toilet paper in, like six cans of canned food at the whole foods that I live here. So it it was crazy. So the grocery store was packed.


Is it really bad up there? Like


Yeah, it's


this is


it is really bad and um It's concerning actually because I think our positivity rate is like 14% right now.


all right. Uh huh.


so I work from home normally and


No.


I guess I'm just going to like hunker down. I mean we've kind of been doing that anyway, but I don't know have you had a lot of had to stay home and stuff,


Yeah. Throughout I'm a university student. So in March we just all like went back home, we just stayed with our families in their system basically March. Very extended spring break.


Yeah. So are you your home like with your family in texas?


No, when college started back up I moved to my apartment near the university. Figure it's better for working conditions wise. Oh,


that's


I never got your name.


I'm amy


Amy, I'm daisy


grazie, nice to meet you. Have you done other video calls like this?


Yes, this is my 7th point I think.


Yeah, I've done quite a few as well and I've just met people from like everywhere, It's been so cool.


Is there like a particular person that you remember like the most?


Well yeah, there is because it was crazy. One time I was talking to a woman from Portland and her dog started having puppies.


During the video.


and I thought she was with her daughter and I said you know, do you have to go? And She was like, no, it's okay. My daughter's got this, she was like, her daughter was like maybe 18 or something like that. I mean Yeah, so then I saw a little puppy that was just born, so that was pretty memorable and I someone else I talked to via this program, you know, um chat program or doing asked me the same thing and I was like, well it's just kind of hard to be because who sees like puppies being born on their video chat? It was kind of funny.


Yeah. Yeah. I don't have anything particularly memorable like that at most. It was like my first call was with an ex cop and this was around the time of the whole like police like protests and I was kind of like, I don't know what to say.


That was probably was it an interesting conversation though?


I think we steered away from like the more controversial things because people find out you're a cop. I was like okay, he's probably very opinionated about what's going on. So I'm just gonna lean towards the other side.


Yeah, that would be I've always like been matched with people that seemed to have kind of a similar, you know, approach to life I guess. But I was thinking like what if what if I matches someone who's viewpoints are just completely opposite of mine? And that would be so cool because I don't really run into people that in Chicago that like our, so like trump voters. Are you a trump voter?


I personally am not cost is very liberal city. Yeah.


right. That's what I mean. Like Chicago is also a very liberal city. So yeah, I haven't had a chance to like, you know, chat with someone from the other side.


I think that's yeah,


Actually


I think.


have extended family members. But


Are they all in Chicago also or just like


no, no, my family is in michigan, most of them. Like my cousins and stuff. Like there are some trump voters and that I don't, I'm not really in touch with them. But anyway.


Yeah, I was born in michigan so. Yeah, I know like the kind of general area used to take trips to Chicago during like summer as a child.


Yeah. What part of michigan? Oh,


Kalamazoo, that area?


okay. My mom is in grand rapids. Yeah. So I went to high school there, you know? And then my brother and I like left right after and now, yeah, my mom and my aunts and uncles are there. So I go back there quite often. It's pretty


it's a fairly easy drive.


mm hmm. It is totally. And um we go like to northern michigan a lot like my mom and I, so that's pretty cool. Yeah,


Have you ever been to Mackinaw Island? I'm


actually got


island


engaged there When I was like 25


that


And yeah, it was like my high school sweetheart and I got engaged on Mackinac Island. So have you been there?


no, it's like despite being born in michigan, it's kind of one of my like trips that I want to take


It's awesome. I highly recommend it. It's like, I think it's changed quite a bit from, you know, way back when, when there weren't any cars allowed. I think they let cars on there sometimes now or something. Or maybe that was just one I think mike pence went there and everyone


look.


was mad because they had SUVs on Mackinac Island. Yeah, it was kind of a big deal but I think it's amazing. And it's really good to nice to hike around there like there are all these trails and stuff like that, it's pretty cool.


Yeah, I'm debating going back for either like next summer or next year spring break or something. See if I can finally make that trip.


that would be amazing. Maybe things will be like kind of normal again. Yeah,


Oh


let's hope.


if you don't mind me asking, are you still married to your like high school


No,


spirit?


no, no,


Okay. Like you mean it kind of sounds like you were together and I wasn't sure.


no. I'm actually not married, I'm on my own right now so I'm dating a couple of people but that's really hard during this time period like especially right now because the mayor of Chicago basically said the other day, you know, stay home, don't get together with your friends, don't have thanksgiving. So it's been kind of hard to to date. So I've just taken this time is like a um work on myself period.


Yeah. Pick up new hobbies in


All


Washington's.


right. How has it been for you? It has Covid affected your world a lot. I guess It has from school, right? Mm.


I mean online classes is not ideal, but like relationship wise and everything. We're


But


keeping like a covid bubble because it's not as bad in like where I am right now. And so she's been like me and my roommates and that sort of thing.


That's good. And luckily you get along. Uh huh.


It's a lot easier than being at home where it's just like just yourself and your family and there's like not much you can do in the suburbs.


Yeah, I feel like I can stay with my mom For like a two weeks maximum and then we kind of started like it's like I got to go back to Chicago and she wants me to


It doesn't change even when you're older.


well it's I mean I'm really close to my mom now actually because my father passed away last year like really unexpectedly and my brother lives in Seattle with his family. So um I go and help my mom out a lot and so we've become really close. We used to not really get along very much at all. So I guess that's a silver lining you know


I'm


of


sorry about that.


Yeah it's just been we were talking about it like 2019 was such a weird year because my father died and then at the beginning of this year our whole family is like okay we're going to re engage with our lives and move forward and celebrate dad. And then Covid happened. And it was just been like the weirdest year because nothing is normal, you know? Yeah, I guess like it affects some people more than others. But um I don't know, I'm ready for this to be done.


Yeah. Is it just you like quarantine by yourself or do you have a roommate or like a pet?


Well, I have a cat who's like 20 and he's pretty funny. But I I live by myself and I live in like a large apartment building. So I definitely have like neighbors and I have friends and we have kind of like, I have, you know, like a bubble of friends that I see and hang out with. You know, in some we hang out outside, some one person will like come over, so I'm not really by myself too much. But I have to be careful because my mom has um an immune system issues. So um she takes medication that suppresses her immune system. So I have to like get tested every time I go home and like quarantine myself before I go there. And so I feel like you know, it's really affected me on that level, you know?


At least you're being safe and everything. Never been before.


I mean for sure that's what's most important.


Have you been doing any like hobbies or watching anything?


Yeah. Yeah. Well in the summer I do urban agriculture. So I was like in a garden growing stuff all summer, which was really awesome and I bike a lot. So you know, it


The


was wonderful here in the summertime and now I have all these projects I'm gonna do inside plus play my guitar. How


started


about?


like an apartment kind of garden. So I have like basil cutting road rosemary. Oh it's sorry to be a second. We need something. Yeah. Yeah, But your dad is 20


Yes, he is.


Oh my gosh.


Yeah, he I got him like when I got out of college and um yeah, he's just like really feisty. I was showing to you but he's sleeping like under a blanket and I would upset him if I got


mm I'm more of a dog person so I can't say I know too much about cats but


I was too. And then so a long time ago I had a dog, a big golden retriever. And like when I first moved to Chicago and he didn't like being in the city. Um he was just really nervous and stuff. So my friend who lived in the suburbs took him and he was much happier but I was really sad and my friend brought me a kitten and I was like I'm not a cat person, I'm a dog person. And now my cat is 20 and he's awesome. Like he's it's such an easy thing to have a cat I think in an apartment I mean and I can travel with him really easily. Um now that he's 20, like he has to travel with me because he has special needs so maybe a little harder with a dog I think.

Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Oh


yeah, then you don't have to walk a cat either.


No and I mean they just have really funny personalities. I mean he's like, you know, just runs the show basically.


I


But


was Chicago


I want


and all.


to talk


Sorry?


how I was just gonna say, I do really want a dog, but I can't have a dog while I have my cats. So it might be a while.


Does your cat just not get along with dogs


He doesn't like, he's, he just doesn't like other cats, other animals. So anyway, he's awesome. His name is max.


Well


Do you have a dog?


I have a dog back home. I have a Pomeranian right? And she's also quite old so she does she's a bit more cat like these days than dog like uh she's


it's like


surviving.


it, eat something, take a nap, watch out the window, take a


more


nap.


now, see


That's my cat. And then he, he wants to always drink the water from the bathtub closet. So if it's not dripping, which we all want to save water. So I usually shut it off and if it's not dripping, then I have to turn it on for him. Like hell me up. Yeah, he's just really has his routine.


Is it like he drinks straight from the faucet or is there like a bowl in the faucet?


No, I just like let it drip and he drinks the drips.


That's so interesting. So


So


if you leave like a bowl of water out, he doesn't drink it.


no, no, it has to be like moving water. So anyway,


cheap.


it's he's like an elderly person like that. He has very particular need. It is I


Can


love


take


elderly


up,


people and animals for sure. But anyway, So what are you studying in school?


I am a medical laboratory science major, but like pre med


That's interesting. So when that means you'll do research, Do you want to go in that direction?


It's more like, you know when you get like blood drawn and like they come back and they're like, oh your vitamin levels are low or something. That's like my type of what my major funnels into like that job. And then I want to do med school after that son


that's great.


Out


It seems


of


like


it makes


outing. But


it's kind of um seems like a super interesting time to get into medicine with like all the alternative therapies that are popping up, you know, with like cancer research and stuff like that. It's it just seems like not only with cancer but with everything. Medicine is changing.


Hopefully for the better. I mean, I've seen a lot of those like dr stories over covid where like they don't have enough protection. I'm kind of like, do I really want to do this? Right. Thanks.


Yeah. But I kind of feel like my own observation because Covid has been around this pandemic has been going on since March, right? I feel like the things that are happening right now because like where I live, it's getting bad again. Everybody is prepared. And I feel like there isn't such a there's kind of a panic at the grocery store, but I feel like, you know, in my state they really worked on getting PPE for everybody. So I don't know if that governor is just trying to reassure everyone and go overboard. But it just seems like people are more pandemic prepared now as


Just


far


good.


as like hospital systems and stuff. Like we have no reason not to be at this point, right? Like shame on on the United States if they don't like provide that for people, it's like, but it seems like, I don't know like this type of thing could happen again pretty easily, you know?


I can't say that texas is the most prepared. I think our state itself hit like a million cases yesterday or a couple of days ago.


I read that. Yeah I saw that in the news but it's weird like maybe it'll be different when joe biden is president, maybe there will be more of a national strategy.


Yeah that's what we're hoping.


I know it's wow. I feel like I am done with talking about the trump administration and just go away.


Mhm. All right. Before pandemic during like holidays with your family, get into the whole like thanksgiving politics and arguments.


Well my mom made me and my dad when he was alive made me swear. I wouldn't talk about politics with my cousins that like trump because it would probably cause like arguments and stuff. So there was always like a little group of us that would talk about how awful trump was. And then


and


my cousin like cousins were there, we couldn't talk about it but they're


safe


like they're people


living.


that love, the reason they like trump is because they're kind of survivalist people. They love guns and hunting and yeah


It's


they like gardening so I could talk to them about that, but


that's about it because my family like it's pretty liberal are my parents, my brother and me, you know everybody pretty much anti trump. Yeah.


Yeah. Yeah when you were talking about urban like gardening is that like in the public spaces you do that or like what what is it?


Um Well what I got involved with many years ago is starting an urban farm in an area that's um there was a piece of vacant property that was owned by an affordable housing company and we started growing food for the people in the housing so um because there at that time wasn't really a great place to get groceries, like fresh vegetables. So we ended up getting some grants to plant, you know like Squash, potatoes, peppers, tomatoes, fruit trees, like it's a space that's about, it's on a corner in this city, so it's literally like 200 ft wide by like I don't know like 350 ft long. It's not very big but we do everything really intensively. So we bring dirt and compost and put raised beds in and then Planet like really intensively to get a high harvest and then we give the produce away. So we have like cooking classes people can come to and then take veggies home or they can come and pick their own. Like we had a peach tree that we had to cut down so people could like come and pick peaches or berries. So it's pretty fun. I mean I do graphic designs. Um that's my business and I would love to be a farmer instead. But yeah it's I mean in the summer I ate like most of my vegetables came from that garden. I get we feed probably I would say like 50 people from


That's


that space. Yeah, it's really fun. And I mean a lot of people like who would come in to get veggies wouldn't like maybe they hadn't had eggplant before or you know um Swiss chard or something kind of unusual. So people I think once they taste the veggies that are really fresh, they kind of get interested in cooking with them and I feel like we've some people that have come to get vegetables have then come back again and again. So


Good.


yeah, but it's nice like living in Chicago specifically just because it's such a busy city and just to have a place to go to like be in nature and relax and it's awesome.


My dad's a farmer so we have like our like his family were farmers back in china. So like you brought the whole like gardening mindset back to texas. So if you look at our backyard it's also like a bunch of vegetables year round, we have like three orange trees. It's


that's


I


amazing.


I know what you mean about the fresh vegetables, it just hits different.


It is like I mean since I've grown tomatoes, I have a really hard time buying them at the store And here, you know our season of growing outside is ending because now our temperatures are getting down to freezing at night. You know they'll go down to like 30, and you know unless you have a greenhouse you can't really grow over the winter. So um you know I a lot of people do grow in greenhouses here but we don't at our garden we just have like a hoop we put over a certain area so we have greens like spinach and colors and stuff until maybe december. But I feel really jealous that your family can grow around like the year round.


Yeah texas doesn't get I think maybe it gets to freeze things like maybe a week or two a year, it's not


I know


long.


that's awesome. So do you like hang out with your dad and grow stuff with him or


I'm


enjoy


not a big


the veggies?


I'm making like dirt like I'm okay with like just handling the vegetables but it's the dirt and the bugs that kind of bothered me a bit. I'll appreciate the food.


Yeah. I'm like I will admit like I love soil, I like I love composting, I'm kind of the weirdo in our garden.


You always need someone who can manage the soil though.


I mean here there's so many problems. I don't know if your dad ran into this in their backyard um like with just lead levels or you know something that's really out of balance like it's been really interesting working with the soil and trying to like um you know bring up certain minerals and then sequester lead. You know we have a lead problem in Chicago. Mhm.


huh.


But is this soil pretty nice in


It's


texas?


very clay like it's a weird combination of just clay and sand. There's not much else. I mean it's he's managed it so far. I think every couple like years he'll get like some new soil or like do some fertilizers to help with all of the defeated minerals and stuff.


yeah it's like that room. My mom lives too, it's a lot of clay and like there's not good drainage so we have to always like add tons of stuff. The midwest like Chicago has really good soil. It's just depends on what was on the site before you made it a garden because like some of it can be really contaminated.


All the housing buildings in Chicago.


But people here like if that's the case we can put down like a blocker on the ground and build the beds above the ground. So problem solved.


Uh huh. Yeah. That's awesome. I miss fresh tomatoes because I know they grow like an abundance there like weeds almost, but then having to buy them in the store, it kind of hurts me a little because I know they grow so like easily.


Yeah. I mean you could probably like grow them right, where you live? It looks like it's very bright fine. I mean you'd have to put it outside for pollination but try it like a cherry tomato. It's


I think we got in time


just


to,


a bad time to be without tomatoes. Right? But anyway, were you gonna say something?


So I said I think we're going time to just as a heads up.


Oh okay. Um I lost the tab with a timer on it. It's like I closed it. But anyway, it's nice to meet you daisy.


nice to meet you too.


Yeah. I hope everything goes well in texas and go back with school.


Thank you. I hope your cat is healthy and your doing good throughout that new quarantine.


Thank you so much. Take care. Have a good weekend.


Bye.


Hey, how are you? Mhm


wait can you? Oh sorry


Can you hear


you


me?


hear me?


Yeah, I can hear you.


Okay I can hear you know I had


Could


volume accidentally muted for a second.


nobody How are you doing?


Not bad, how about yourself?


I'm doing good, thank you. How's the day?


Good. Uh Not too bad. Got a little bit of work done you know had some breakfast earlier and yeah I'm just kind of chill day. Yeah


yeah that


can you see okay with this window I can move around maybe with the light. Okay.


it's one even though even I am myself sitting close to the ring though I see the sun on this side. Yeah. Yeah, it's fine. I like I like lights and you know some so what you do, you're working, studying?


Um A little of both. I also did a little studying this morning, I'm kind of I'm working a little from home right now just freelance so I did some transcription work. I do what I can get, I do some translation when I can get it some transcriptions, some editing. Hopefully I have an editing job coming up soon that will pay better and be better work than the transcription I'm doing now which is it's not it's boring and it doesn't pay great you know but it's work. Um you can do it from home you know? Which is good during pan whole pandemic thing. Uh Yeah,


Impact a lot with you like in terms of your work and etcetera, is it impacting a lot of things around here?


hold on, I'm gonna put my headphones on my computer sound isn't that great? Oh yeah, can you still hear me?


Yeah, Thank you.


Okay, cool. Yeah, I can hear you a lot better now. So what?


Is the pandemic impacting a lot of your work or how is it going to the


Not really because I was mostly working from home anyway. Um Yeah, but


Mm


and I'm living out in the middle of nowhere right now, I'm I'm staying with my mom again for now um just out here in the country, which is, you know, also a good place to be um


Like from the crowd and other people where you make, you know, Yeah, less risk, you know


Right, so it's, I mean it's, you know, working from home is also easier here anyhow.


many.


Um So it's yeah, I was doing a little bit of other stuff in in the city, but it wasn't enough that it makes a huge difference, you know, to be to be just working from home so


Yeah. This whole thing has been so crazy and it's uh like 10 months


And


now, Around 19 months but it's still a month. No,


You know


it


no


you


report


know that


the ending stone.


you know who knows how long I mean even once they get a vaccine you know that's not going to be the end of it because they have to get enough doses and send it out and then people have to actually take it and then it's still going to take time for immunity to build up and everything else. So


And I was


and


reading


I was


a couple of years ago directing the fighter of this in Vietnam. It


because


has to be stored and


for


so


low temperature


you yeah,


like -94 Fighting hate it's still really being next to impossible


Ever been in office


for all


before.


these pharmacies and doctors offices to store it, wow.


I see.


You know? So as of now, I mean those sticks could also be a challenge of


know Astrazeneca is also in Phase three trials of one and there's a few others. But


a few others


given


as


that


well. Just now. Right before we call, I was reading about the rats in Russia. So Sputnik vaccine, they fighter announced Our success. It is 90%. There were Russian announced our success rate is 92%. Um


huh.


this is like you know, you know that kind of thing like we are better than this that


Oh yeah. Oh they're making it up they're just they're lying through their teeth. That's a very typically Russian and I'm not you know I'm not really typically Russian government, like I've lived in Russia you know Russian people aren't bad people but the government yeah


Government because it is


the


really we can't really trust what are the credible sources coming out from there that yeah.


they fit all with their numbers. They always want to talk up. They want to go back to the glory days of the soviet


You know that.


union and Russian empire basically. Yeah. Mhm.


Something. Yeah.


Okay.


That was a big deal in that time. Yeah.


I mean that's they're calling it Sputnik. Right That's yeah.


exactly that


Uh huh.


you know around the USSR time. Yeah exactly. It's like


With


vintage


my victim.


for them. It's like legacy. Yeah.


Yeah.


Well, I'm glad everything everybody is around around you is staying well and all for the same


good.


as well. You know this has just been for me.


What


I


we


have


know?


also been working from my work in I. T. In retail and most of my world can be done from home. But there have been instances where some things can only be done enough either Justin or where and you know all these kind of things, There are things within them in office. I've been to office three times but mostly remote now I'm in Ohio and I don't know now faces are increasing in Ohio as well. So they believe we have the address from the government statewide Oklahoma we're going to do because At some point

Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Yeah mm. Right okay. Mhm. Oh. Uh huh. Uh huh.


No what


like at least a month ago cases


it's


came down to around 700


something else?


800. This is really good. Now again you can pass through this, this is like 5000 plus


Yeah I just I just heard on the news last night the cases just exploded across the U. S. So


Goes to the US. and every day they had 100,000 plus cases, you know.


Yeah I haven't looked I should check in Washington state which is where I am. Um I know Washington has been doing better than the midwest and the south. Um Just because of yeah, that the


and


government has been pretty strict but


in the beginning


big


it was bad around there right


oh it was that was, it was one of the early epicenters, which


there


is


are


why the government, the government got really strict about it really early on. So.


in the beginning it was bad.


Perfect.


It was pretty bad it was there yeah and then


For


new


that.


york was pretty bad too.


Yeah, because that I mean it's coastal right? There's big airports and lots of people coming in and out of the country and Mhm.


Yeah they don't like high graphic ideas, you know? Yeah.


Yeah.


How long you've been doing this prolific thing?


Um a couple of years. You know, it's it's a little bit of extra income so especially because I'm on the computer um you know all the time for for work and whatnot. So just


Thanks,


have the tab open


leave


and


it on the side and do it when you see anything. Yeah, I think, I mean a couple of years I think we're just here for months since we're working from home anyway so it doesn't hurt you know and explains on doesn't it goes well Anything


Every


I need a nerve


day


using about


more.


some politics.


Yeah. Um Well just I mean in terms of, you mean in terms of work or extra


In terms


stuff.


of all these extra incomes serving and all that.


just this right now because it's the only thing I'm, you know, that's the only thing I really know of online and I've heard of like mturk and mechanic that, but I heard that it's really for your time it's so time consuming that it's not really worth it


I


versus


know.


prolific but.


Yeah. I heard the same thing about him. It's like very time consuming and not that rewarding as compared to prolific where you spend the same amount but even more rewards with problems that it's like more quality surveys. First of all diverse service. It's not like repetitive. There are some of the website where you get like same surveys and all at the end of the survey you get rejected and they don't care. Unit


Yeah. Yeah, I tried a couple of those other little survey type sites and it's, yeah, they're just frustrating. You can.


At least with this there are chances that it won't be rejected and you get a quality of survey. Yeah.


Yeah, pretty much if it shows up in your thing, you know, it's your accepted into the survey as long as you pass the attention checks or whatever. So


Yes. And this video chat thing have you don't need me both


Yeah, this is like my 5th 1. So I did,


crop.


I was, I did all that I was eligible before


Thanks.


at first I was only eligible for four and then it came out with a new one that said you're eligible for seven all together now, so. Mhm.


same thing. This is my I think Turner forced on her and I believe you. Yeah I think they keep on launching like after a couple of weeks the new one is gonna come and then you sign up again. Yeah. It is interesting because I like it better. The reason is it is directly from the university, most of it from the research probably for the men who are working


I love you.


on their major projects and other things


Yeah, a lot of them are actually interesting, you know? It's


good Anderson and very good


Wait


quality.


wait.


You don't know a lot about it and. Yeah I


Yeah.


mean and it's like if it shows up and then you are able to reveal your place you get it. That's what they and it's not like you will be rejected later or something like that. My experience so far has been really good with a compared to work couple of others and so. Yeah.

Mhm. Mhm. Right. Mhm. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Um


Yeah


Oh,


I used to I guess I should I should start doing it again, just troll through craig's list, like gigs on craigslist and I've actually gotten a couple of phone surveys through there. There was one that was like


well


it was like half an hour an hour and I got paid 60 bucks I think I got like a check in the mail or something. Um


then.


And what, I was still living in the Vancouver Portland area, I would get stuff on there that was like um in person surveys or like testing or testing products or whatever. So


Well


you go down there and you know do something and get like $90 for trying something out or in person survey or whatever


these gigs


these


are


things


on craigslist


are producing.


as well. Mhm.


Um It's usually


Well,


under the so you'll see like the jobs category and then you just choose gigs instead of like yeah.


I I have ever um tried credit because my experience


Waste


is paved with is like kind of, you know, whether it's genuine or not or


off


those kind of things. The only time I used the example to find an apartment. Mhm. Yeah,


Yeah that's that's mostly what I've used it for myself. Yes.


Uh that you know, there are so many spans and all those things on the credit.


Oh yeah, for sure. But you can usually tell I mean with like the research studies and surveys and stuff, you can tell if it's a genuine because you'll have a web link that you click


Family


and you go to a site, you know, so.


correct. And if it's from universities and from, you know those study groups, those seem pretty gentlemen. Yeah. So how's the weather over there right now? Getting


Uh Today it's a sunny day and it is the last one. It's gonna be for quite a while just being the pacific northwest. Right. Um


it is great.


Yeah it's actually going to snow tomorrow. We're a little bit up on mount Adams and we're a little bit further east from from Seattle so we get like a little bit more four seasons, a little bit


what?


more of a cold weather. You know wind winter so it's supposed to snow tomorrow but then after that it's going to warm up and just rain for like the rest of the forecast so sunny day and since I work you know self employed I'm thinking you know after this this afternoon I'm going to go up in the woods and just walk around for the rest of the day. Take advantage of you know


Well, the name


the last day. Mhm.


remember I went Seattle for a week for some of my things. I stayed there and I'm like France plays and then every day it was running every day it rains a lot here and yeah and I went there and I was living in florida at that time I'm like florida is hard and here it rains every day you know? Yeah.


it's a good part of the year. It does


8 30.


It actually doesn't. What's interesting is Seattle doesn't get a huge amount of precipitation in terms of inches compared to a lot of other cities like cities in the south like florida Louisiana get as much maybe or closely with much precipitation in Seattle because they get these huge storms in the winter and stuff. I mean in the summer


some


or so.


hurricanes and all, yeah.


Yeah. Um Whereas see it but Seattle gets more so many more rainy days, but it's like steady small smaller amounts of precipitation


Small time from


over forever. Mhm.


and there's something now I'm in Ohio and here the weather is you know we get pretty much all the seasons, It doesn't get crazy cold over here, it doesn't get crazy holder. Also here I know in part I used to be like at least 105 have experienced there. It is that bad here and colder also it was. no but not like smell like every day like crazy but it will smell like a couple of times heavy snow, but that's about it.


Yeah, we've it can get there was a year Here, I think it was 2017 because I stayed here for a while a couple of years ago as well,


Well


and summer of 2017 it was up to 105 for days on end, so somebody can get hot here as well. And obviously more so than they used to when I was a kid just because we're warming.


Global, yep.


Yeah


It is


and winters are not as cold as they used to be for the same reason. Uh But we still get definitely get snow every winter. Um, not as much as it seems like we used to get when I was a kid, but for sure we get snow. Uh huh.


and you plunge your close to California beaches around there, you know the weather is over there.


That's a pretty long drive to California


How how long will be the nearest beach in California? Like if you drive from


to


the


get to California from here. I mean we're in Washington, so shit to go all the way down. I mean to get to like Lincoln city in Oregon. So first of all, it's


Oh yeah you have to Okay. Yeah.


first, you have to get to the coast from


All


here, which is going


I


think.


be, so it's like an hour to Portland and then it's another hour or two to the coast. So get to the coast, it's a good three hours probably.


And then to drive all the way down through the state of Oregon is gonna


be five hours. Yeah, but there, there's good, there's nice beaches in Oregon though. Um, it's not, you know, As warm as California, but in


in


the summer, in the summer it gets nice and warm. 80s, 80s. In the 80s.


right, I know a lot of people lay who live close to Seattle close to Oregon sunny, they do show up in Oregon because it's a texting state and a lot of people do like bulk shopping from Oregon and then come back


Mm Hmm. We live we live right close to the Oregon border about 12 miles away, so we definitely shop in Oregon.


my name's Bird,


everybody here does, Yeah.


it's in and around. Yeah. Yeah.


especially, I mean, if you think, like, if you just think about the way the tax scheme is set up, if you're living in Washington is also the town, the towns here is much smaller. The towns are much smaller, there's really one town and there's some or unincorporated communities like


And


the big towns are really on the Oregon side. Um The main big town that's, there's one that's closer to us and there's one that's further east, that's bigger. But you know, so a lot of people live in Washington and work in Oregon. So if you live in Washington, Washington doesn't have a state income tax but it has a high sales tax and it has property tax. So if you live in Washington and you work in Oregon but then you still have to pay the Oregon income tax. So if you shopped in Washington then you'd also be paying the Washington sales tax right? So you'd be paying like triple taxes if you didn't stop in Oregon so

uh huh. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.


Yeah that is also like


don't get


around


along


east coast


these


areas.


things.


A lot of people do


of people.


the same thing with Delaware.


What?


Delaware. Oh no, text


That


and Delaware has a lot of banking industries and all the other, that's what a lot of people I I personally know a couple of friends who just shot from there like big stopping like all things kind of something on the yeah,


That's also where, yeah because the bigger towns are across the river. That's also where the I mean that's where the big store stores are in that everybody shops


everybody


you


shops


know supermarkets. There's like there's like a small grocery store on this side of the river. Um And a couple


All


other little places like a pharmacy and a hardware store but you know it's not where you do substantial shopping anyway, so


very, very well, yeah, so you've been


You


just


speak


working


what?


from home since


What?


pandemic


Thank


and


you.


you were working before as well? A lot of


pretty much. Um And then I'm doing some uh online because I'm a university of michigan alum, so I have, you can get some free online courses, so I'm studying python


bomb


yeah, I'm learning some html. Also some


my


CSS I figure


think of


I might as well I have some time on my hands, you know.


yeah, because it doesn't hurt you know and she's trying to get into coding and development.


Yeah, I mean it's interesting, it's something new to learn and


It is,


you know, like there's so many, it's always so many openings in the field and it's not like you have, you know, I've talked to friends and I have a friend who's an engineer. Um He was a former he's a former Russian student of mine um from the U. Of M. And he said, you know, you really don't need like a four year computer science degree. And I was also looking at graphs, you know, it's like, so, so here's how many positions are opening up in the industry and here's how many computer science graduates there are every year, right. Like, so, yeah, they're not, there aren't enough of them to fill the positions anyway.


you're always open indiana. Yeah. Yeah.


I said, you know, learn, learn the skills, you know, create some projects, put stuff up on gIT hub, you know, do some stuff show that you can do some stuff and start from there.


lot of universities, a lot of these third party websites have started like especially because of pandemic is starting some pre courses you know and return.


Yeah, I get these for free because I'm alum, so, yeah,


you get that from the city side. Yeah that's that's a good thing to learn. Yeah. And the same thing with you like I do testing for these products for example all the software applications, mobile isn't so for our website so that is fun to you know what the developers and closely enough try to get those things fixed. Yeah it is interesting area and always there is always the area to learn. You know I'm trying to learn more love like automation as well in terms of their like testing couple type manual of the nation's from automation is more profitable I would say in terms of my memory this thing is more redundant. Also more that's what it did and monotonous. Yeah.

yeah, yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. All right. Right. Mhm, mhm, mm. Yeah. Right. Mhm. Okay,


mm hmm.


Yeah.


Yeah, I'm also learning my way around unique systems, so


You think? Okay.


yeah, that's not bad to know. I mean, I use Lennox, you know, as an operating, I use man jaro right now, just for my computer as an operating system and you know, some learning also how to use it. Uh just in terms of as a shell, like online, um


Well


so you know, might pick up a little bit of the systems administration stuff that way too, learn a little of everything starting out,


these


I


are


don't know.


operating system Windows or MacOS or UNIX or others?


Um in terms of, I mean, I I do, I kind of know Windows, but I haven't used it in so long and I haven't used Mac, I've never owned a Mac, I've used it, you know, in in the university, just like casually in the computer lab or whatever. But um I'd be used to Lennox Since like on my personal computers since like 2013 or 2014.


longer.


So yeah, that's pretty much what I know, I mean, you know, windows is easy, I can sit down and use windows. Yeah.


Yeah. So let me, yeah I haven't used Lennox in a very very long time. I don't even remember the last time when I saw how often do you get updates and Lenox like for example Windows and Macs there are new Os like all the time you know.


yeah, Lennox is the one I'm using now, man Jaro is based on Arch, so it's like a rolling system. So basically it's it's constant, like it's constantly updating. They don't even provide, it's not even like they come out with, you know, 14.0 point 14.0 point one, like unto does it just it's a it's rolling updates. So even before I want to install, you know, something new on my system, I I have to go in and do like, you know, pseudo uh s y you like system update to make sure everything is is current before I install anything, so I don't break anything like um Yeah.


Well that's that's interesting because with all these


Well,


Mac


just to


OS


make


and Windows


broke


there always


All


update if I don't


because


turn on


it's not


my laptop or


problem.


don't do any update on my Windows laptop


Look mr


for a week


publicly.


after


Absolutely.


of India are like more than 100 of these and


The


so.


nice thing about it is it doesn't force you to do it before you can open the computer though, you know what I mean?


is that what it does in clinics?


No, it doesn't Lennox doesn't do that because Windows, I remember I had Windows um as like a dual boot thing on my last computer. Um and I would open Windows and it would be like no you have to do the updates before


Car


you can even use Windows, it's


and


like


like some


I


similar like like I have


are you


iphones but there will be so many apps which have made


Of


but


the.


if you want to open it now you have to update it first. Otherwise there are some apps which you can ignore or you can update later or find that or you can do what our date. But there are some apps which definitely they want you to of the first and then only you can often have. Yeah.


At least I have an iphone as well um and you know at least because it it's kind of irritating when it wants you to update the OS and it reminds you like every time you pick up the phone uh but at least you can use it, you know, without updating it until


The doctor.


you get around to it, because it's not like I have necessarily half an hour to sit my phone down and update it


you know that


that second.


or and also operates sometimes I do like photo plate away and put it on the charging and it will be distributed overnight. Yeah. So do you like iPhone 12 go on the recent recently launched.


I actually have an eight, I don't have enough money to get like a new one. Everything they come out, so I'm going to use this one until it's, you know, not supported anymore probably. Yeah,


and then


mean


then get whatever the new one is. What's that? Yeah.


now you have most current I. R. S. On a trade. I just


yeah, they support them for, you know, five years or whatever, you can keep getting the most current IOS Yeah


they say they. Yeah I haven't


mike


looked at I control yet but looks in the pictures and the video looks interesting but More of more of it has been like similar design from past 56 years not like drastically has been changed from past vibrations but Apple has I believe the good marketing skills and on just to get away with it.


Oh for sure. Although I think, you know, my next forward, I might just get an android um


And so


Yeah or something, you know, Apple is kind of just in terms of as a company that kind of ears taste because everything is proprietary, you can only buy their hardware that you can only have their sandbox software, you know, you can't get the google app


And


store and


you cannot install her party app only. Yeah, If you jailbreak it, then you lose the warranty and all the other things but things. Yeah. That, that is an interesting thing in android device devices. You can customize it based on your needs. Yeah.


Yeah. And I think with android you also get, I mean you just get more bang for your buck in terms of as a phone


with, you know, hardware inspects and everything so


I told,


you're not paying for the brand.


right, I always think like if there is a way to put an IOS in an android phone, I'll take it.


Yeah, I mean I do that's one thing I do like about Apple is it's just you know, I've had an iphone for my last one, it's so easy,


So is.


it's like it's so intuitive, you know, it's simple, like I don't have to think about it.


And then when I look at the picture quality, the camera quality, the images, you know the screen itself on the Samson phone. I'm like Apple is nowhere near to these homes in terms of that quality. But when I look at the IOS, I'm like embryo is nowhere close to the IOS. If they can just put in something together, you know that uh and


Yeah.


yeah,


Yeah. Yeah.


so it looks like we should be done right? Yeah.


Yeah, yeah, I'll head out, I'm you know, kind of want to get up in the woods, we might want to get, you know, give it another minute just so they don't


What?


they don't say, oh you only went, you know, five seconds, not enough. I had that happened one time and they were


All right.


enough to at least


At


still


the


paid. But I think we went up to like 25 or 26 minutes and they were like, no, because you didn't start. I don't know.


that is that. You know, unfortunate. I know they, in their message they put in like just have a couple of extra minutes just to just to be sure that


I know because


you have. Beautiful.


I'm probably the one who made them put that in. There were probably multiple other people or something because they had that happen. I don't know.


but


But


what I noticed this, you know the tab that I clicked and then there's our window open. There is a time around that as well with


No, there is.


which keeps running at the bottom. I just realized that. But


Oh yeah, you're right. Okay. Although I yeah, I had mine open before I joined the


I think this also includes better time after you clicked on the link. Right? Yeah.


Uh huh. Okay.


I believe maybe.


Anyway, I think we're probably good now. So yeah, I'll head out, get up, get up in the forest and see what I can see. Yeah.


What happened? You enjoy


They're


it?


talking to you. Yeah,


Nice talking to you. Bye.


take care. Bye, bye.


Yeah. Mhm, mm. Yeah. Okay. Oh mm. Oh okay. Yeah. Yeah yeah. Mhm.


true. Okay. Yeah.


I don't know.


Hey can you hear me? Hey man how you doing?


Good, How about you?


Good thank


Second


you. Sure I have


hair? Sorry, I'm trying to use my headphones and it's coming out of my speakers here


I see. Yeah.


a second. Um


Country. Mhm.


uh sorry, I'm going to set up.


What Well no problem.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah okay so Uh huh. Yeah


Mhm.


there yeah,


Perfect. Yeah


so I'm not entirely sure what we're supposed to be talking about


I don't know man how


what


things were going for you generally?


Pretty good, I mean, you know the whole corona things been pretty crazy.


Yeah it's an unusual situation.


Uh huh. Yeah, just kind of getting used to it now I guess.


Yeah it's been, how long have you been? I know the like rules have been different in different places but how long have you been like staying at home for most of the time?


Well I'm still going to work actually um Yeah because I work in the transit and transportation company so um


I see.


we're essential workers I guess, but uh I've been working remote sometimes as well, so it's been like I don't know, probably two months now I guess. Yeah.


Yeah you get used to the lifestyle after a while and now.


totally, totally. How long have a year? How long have you? Yeah.


I think it's been like a month and a half since I started working remotely full time. Uh huh. So yeah it's crazy it's just uh I live right near a beach and I see people like standing right outside of it wanting to go like wanting to resume their normal activities surfing and what not and it's just like yeah


that's it, it's weird like get rid of, you know, when you go to the store and he's wearing like a mask and stuff, it's just like, oh, it's like that movie or Yeah. Yeah.


uh, I don't know if you've heard of or seen the movie contagion but


River, you need to watch


war


it.


Well it's probably like 10 years old, but the streaming rates of it went way up


Yeah, I think I heard that.


then. All sense of the outbreak started.


yeah. Yeah, totally. It's, that's weird. But you're able to work and everything like remotely 100%.


So I'm are


Well,


PhD researcher. I'm a PhD student. I do chemistry research in the lab and probably like 50-75% of my job. I can do remotely. Um, I'm just doing those things. I mean some projects are on hold obviously, but I'm doing what I can.


How nice. That's awesome. Let's


I'm


go.


thinking, hey, thank God.


Yeah, totally. I know it's crazy.


Private paycheck.


Yes. So many people like, that's crazy. They work for like a transit agency and like data analyst and uh they laid off like 300 people like through the bus drivers like on friday and it was just like, oh God,


The longest period on a friday. Huh?


Yeah, exactly. Like you can come pick up your sex. I mean, they kind


What?


of do, they weren't working really and anticipate. Yeah.


And like I'm like people aren't riding the bus as much and stuff, but you know, there's like, I was surprised how many companies are like apparently always just on the verge of not being a company anymore. You know it's like a few months of like fund saved or whatever. I don't know how companies work really. But


You think like the bigger like kind of corporations would have stuff in place?


american airlines. Yeah it's like one week with no flights and you're just like completely fucked forever.


No, totally.


I will not more ready.


I know, but I mean, I understand like, you know, like a local like mom and Pops place like,


Right. I'm really


you know.


worth. Do you have any favorite local businesses nearby that you're worried about?


Yeah, like a bunch of them really and getting into, they're all doing like, like uh The takeout stuff right now, but like it's just like, I don't know, is it like 20%,, you know, your normal way, you know, revenue stream or whatever? That's crazy. But


What is it?


uh hopefully, I mean, doesn't sound like it's going to a new attempt soon, but


I know. Yeah. It could be a year.


yeah. Yeah. It's, I'm starting to get a cab in favor of it place, blah locked


Is the


up


weather like nice enough where you live you can just step outside.


now.


It is impossible, wow.


Um Sometimes it is, you have a minute organs, so.


Oh I see. Yeah, clue.


Yeah, we get a lot of right in here. Yeah. So, but I mean it's not been getting nicer like what about of it? But Yeah. Oh yeah.


I live in SAn Diego so thankfully back here. Yeah. Um Yeah I


Yeah.


used to live in Minneapolis and I talked to some of my friends used to live there and like the first few weeks of quarantine it was snowing still like I can't even imagine nothing.


Yeah. Yeah. That would be what I mean. It's not it's not too bad here like I mean I can get out, you know, there's you know there's a lot of trails and stuff and could go on a walk and


You got a formula. Our hope.


it's an amount.


Did you do that for quarantine? Started to like something?


Yeah. Yeah. It's funny like right when it started to pick up, I was kind of on a big big hike and it's kind of weird like there's people still. Yeah like but uh yeah they've closed all the trails and stuff now so.


I mean around here, Yeah,


Yeah. But it seems like they're starting to open up a little bit. So it's like


There one full, but yeah, I'm worried that they will be like a big second wave of infections on stuff when things reopen and people are, we'll


I know.


see.


It's like yeah my sister is like uh she's just she's just finishing a medical school and she's starting to residency and june and I'm like, that's gonna be crazy.


Crazy time to start.


Yeah. Exactly. So just like


What?


kind of worry about those people. But


No, for sure.


do


Different


you know anybody that it's like god made or anything.


Um, no one directly that I know is like confirmed infected with it. But like friends of friends are like friends, family members. A few people I know have been like tested positive. Um, probably a few other people have it but never got tested. They just


Well,


say because you? Re all these, these reports, like there's a huge shortage of tests and things and people just if their, their symptoms aren't like that severe, they just assume they have it quarantine for a few weeks and and then


Yeah. They had somebody that might work like was around somebody who tested positive. And he's like, they were like, okay, you can come and work anymore. And they had like guys come in with like Hazmat suits and like spray the place down.


Is it like an author?


Yeah. I was in


All


office like and I have like, there's nobody that works around being like, like,


I'm all


You know, like a 30-foot radius. I'm like the only person. But they still were like, yeah, we're gonna come in here and spread. Yeah.


wow. What is that like a lonely set up at work?


Mhm. Um So it's not, it wasn't always like that, but it has been since this whole


thing um


Okay.


like uh we just one of the guys that kind of does similar, similar stuff to me and


Perhaps.


he's a lot older and he's like, you know, and he's like kind of a, you know, he has some health issues so he's like I'm just going to be working from home and you're going to be the one that's going in and making sure this this ship sails. So but it's kind of I mean it's just like the only person I talked to every day is like the the front desk administrator. You know, I'm just like, hey how's it going? It's kind of strange. But yeah, got the place to myself.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah. What kind of work do you


so I work for the local transit agency up here in Portland and I work for the they have like a pair of transits side so it's like for people with disabilities and beginning no rather normal bus systems. So yeah, I guess my titles like data analyst, but a lot of it is like supporting the system and doing a lot of kind of like, you know, writing reports and all sorts of stuff like that.

then? Mhm. Okay. Right. Yeah. Mhm. Okay.


Do you have any like coding or?


Yeah. You do like python stuff, um, some data analysis with that just to kind


I don't


of,


know any coding but yeah.


Yeah,


Were you sts major?


I got a Master's and information systems a couple of years ago. Um, but I actually did my undergrad and like completely different fields. Um and I, yeah, like actually did like education and talk for a little bit overseas actually. And I was like, I don't know if I can do teacher.


Yeah. What age were you teaching?


just, it was like elementary school age. Yeah. So.


And you're kind of, you did that


No.


for a bit and you're just like, yeah. Okay.


Yeah. So.


Do you like your current


Right. Yeah, it's interesting and I don't know.


Is that what brought you to Portland or did you already live there?


I'm from here. Yeah.


right.


Yeah.


I've never been. I heard it's nice


Yeah, that's the next


gradually


place.


or I


absolutely.


want, yeah, I watched the show Portlandia when it came out. Um I know how accurate of a depiction that is but


there's,


it looks like a fun way.


there's some


I'm


accurate


sure it's a


theater.


pleasure or, wow. Yeah.


but they filmed it like on site and everything so it's like, yeah,


Right. That's cool.


so that's cool. But yeah, no, but yeah, san Diego though, it's


It's


like the dream


Yeah I'm from the midwest and moved out here. Uh It's expensive.


it


I'm sure Portland's expensive


hey.


too. Yes.


I don't think it's as bad as like


it's um


san Diego California.


but it's great down here. I love it. I love it. Mexican, superb. Uh climates obviously great. It's kind of crowded but whatever nice


Yeah.


place people over there. Yeah.


It's not as bad as like L. A. Um Yeah,


Yeah definitely.


my brother lived in L. A. For a couple of years and uh yeah uh you got to get out of there.


Yeah. I've been I've not every like no one I've lived here for three years. I've not heard anyone in san Diego say that they love L. A. Or that they loved living in L. A. Or that it's like a fun place to been a long time. I visited a few times and had a good time. But I can see like not wanting to live there for sure. It just seems like


Yeah I went like visited him and he's like right on the beach and I was like, you know, for like three days I was there, I was like this is this is awesome. But then you're like okay, it costs a ton of money and


It takes me 90 minutes to get to work. It takes me 30 minutes to get anywhere.


Yeah right now it's pretty


I'm oh yeah I imagine.


driving around, there's no traffic that's for sure.


So you


Who's?


live in Portland now too Right.


Very nice.


So are you setting chemistry?


Yeah I am yeah I've been here for like 2.5. Almost three years.


Nice. That's awesome.


Yeah it's been great.


Like what kind of feel that?


Um I study, so technically I study physical chemistry but essentially I study atmospheric chemical reaction. So I recreate important reactions that happen in the atmosphere in a vacuum chamber in my lab. And then I studied how they happen. I make molecules and then I shoot them with a laser and study


That's


how they.


crazy.


It's really cool. It's really hard. It's really really work. But I enjoyed a lot. I'm learning a lot of useful things that will help me hopefully get a job. The job market right now is not great but I got probably two more years of school here so. And san Diego is a great place. I'm sure you've got a masters in something you can't. That's grad school is really hard and shitty sometimes, but nice to be in a cool place for it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, mm hmm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


Yeah, totally san


We are,


Diego would be uh top choice for sure.


for


Yeah, that's cool. So how long is that? We said it's


in total average is like 5.5 years. It very personal person, but it's between five and six years usually.


just kind of like going to get your research time and stuff right, Like yeah,


Yeah, so you take classes for like a year and then it's pretty much all research


that's crazy. Yeah.


depend on your field, but yeah. Right.


I don't


All


know,


of your masters.


It was two years. I did it in Chicago. DePaul.


Oh nice. I have a friend in a PhD program there right now. It's what you like going there


Yeah, it was nice. Uh you know. Yeah,


while I was like the one big city I went to A lot of the kids. I have a soft spot in my heart for Chicago. I love it. But it's definitely different. Did you like working


From


there?


the west coast. Yeah, it was nice. I've lived in new york for a little bit and


okay. What was that like?


that was awesome right after, right after I did my undergrad and move there and I didn't really know what I was going to do at that point in my life and I was just like just


Did


get their


you,


hair.


did you call you, were there a little bit or


There


what


were,


did you teach in new york or what kind of


I


work did


did


you?


a little bit, I did kind of did like substitute station and then I was like, it was right after the yeah, Like the 2008 recession, so it was like kind of like not the best timing, but and then I uh just like waiting tables and looking for a year and a half, two years and then it's like I have had enough, but it was visible places, a huge city, you know, and like possible.

Oh yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A


couple of my friends from college or from new york, and then After we graduated, like 10 of them all moved to New York and they live in various places and hang out all the time. I'm pretty jealous. But yeah, they're like a lot of them are like part time volunteering at something related to what they want to do and then they're waiting tables are washing dishes or something, sort of how it is.


Yeah. That's it felt like, yeah, when I was there, everybody was like, You know, grinding, you know, doing like 20 different internships at a time and like, you know. Yeah. Yeah, it was, it was an extra same experience


Where did we live?


I lived in um like little lower west side. I heard a kind of rash village area.


no. All right.


Yeah, yeah, West Village Off of 6th Street Actually, the small apartment with my girlfriend at the time. And uh yeah, it was a cool spot. It was


And that's it.


spot. Yeah. Great in Manhattan. Yeah.


Yeah. I visited once had a great time. I would love to live there someday. We'll see, we'll see


Not


your life. Yeah, we know there now. Uh huh,


Yeah. So did you, so you lived in the midwest and then you move just moved to San Diego and


Yeah. Yeah, I'm from Iowa and I went to undergrad in Minnesota


that's,


and then straight out of undergrad I moved to san Diego, didn't know anybody here. Uh


that's


I


good.


mean the climate was great and it was you know, a great place to move to but I was like 22. I've never lived on my, I had


and certainly don't know many people, right, Like it's just yeah,


Um


what? And it's a lot different than than the midwest.


Oh yeah and it was hard to, it was hard to find housing like remotely housing around created around the university where I live. It's crazy like undergrounds are doing unbelievable things to afford housing. But I had I like


he knows.


I was like so they have grad student housing that's like subsidized. Uh but I was on the wait list and I was on the wait list and I was on the wait list and they kept like and it just came down to like two weeks before I was supposed to move. I was like I know where to live, so I had to accept like a spot in a a two bedroom plus a loft apartment with five people that I had never met.


cheers.


And I talked to one of them over facebook once I was like I need to get there, I for sure have a place to live and like I can't keep waiting for this grand housing thing. So for


how


like


did it go?


For like six months there were six of us in that department. And thank God they turned out to be like pretty cool dudes and it was all okay but wow that could have been so terrible and


totally.


it will still like not there but once I once I was here for like a year and more secure social footing I found some better living arrangements. But yeah


hmm. No.


moving to san Diego was with a weird experience but


Yeah, it's not. I mean, yeah, no, there's some cities where, you know, you could probably get a house for super cheap. Yeah.


my parents yeah


Yeah. Yeah,


wow.


but san Diego is one of those places. Yes.


Yeah but under their people were like renting out like subleasing their living rooms and like


God, that's crazy. Like garages


well


and stuff.


for all these and stuff. Yeah like it's


Do


pretty


you


wild.


ever go, do you ever go like Tijuana?


I have been once, it's a very popular thing to do here. They


I uh


just don't but I think especially if you want to go out like go party, it's a good place to go.


oh it's just so crazy that people go hard to that. But then I


it's


guess it's pretty


like


much just do the right thing. It's like a suburb were like connected, so.


yeah it's pretty close um the border crossing can be like time consuming depending on which way you're going and what time of day, but they have, people will like Uber to the border and then walk across and that takes like uh like I think driving across is what takes forever. But yeah people


Mhm.


go there like really really good food, it's really cheap, you can get beer for like a dollar. Um


I


It's


remember,


a phone call.


yeah, my I went there when I was like in high school, I went to san


There are.


Diego with like some trip for some basketball thing that one of my sisters was in and We went to Tijuana and I was like 17 and I was like, I thought I was hot shit and was like I'm going to get a beer and like, you know, they're like here you go. Yeah, that was years ago. But I'm sure it's quite a bit different now, but I just remember it was like, yeah, I'm in Mexico. Yeah.


it's cool. Um But yeah moving out here was a crazy experience. Yeah


but just


people


committed to


people in the midwest like have no accurate perception of like what California is like the culture or anything, do you sir? Okay. It's like no I don't I don't


have


funny


time.


because like, I don't know, like organs I guess is kind of the west coast, but it's a little, it's, you know, kind of different than California. But um but yeah, like I could imagine like, you know, so maybe the midwest being like, yeah, like saved by the bell.


Oh yeah and they don't realize how big California is. Like my and uncle were like in uh san Francisco and then they bay area and then they went to Redding California, have you heard of that? I think it's near


I've been there. Yeah,


And they're like


it's probably in between san Francisco Oregon. Yeah.


Yeah and they're like maybe we'll just like drive down and see you. I was like do you have like 183 hours like each way like no you won't rest down,


Yeah. Yeah, I like to drive like people like You can drive from like Portland to L. A. And it's like if you are just cruising like not stopping, it would be like 18 hours. Yeah.


yeah that won't be the case. Will be traffic


Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, I've been in California millions of times just if you could go there like every year, like my dad's from there. So. Yeah. Uh huh.


What are some?


It's from kind of the bay Area. Kind of a not the greatest city, it's called Stockton. I don't yeah, it's kind of a rough rough spot. But


thank you.


Yeah, it's like a in the valley uh probably 90 miles east of sectors. Yeah.


Okay.


But we always pass reading and all those pots. Yeah. Be driving down there. But yeah, it's a big place, a lot of people. Mhm. Yeah.


for sure. It's a


40 million or something like that.


yeah I've been there once. I've been in the Bay Area. No thanks. Yeah.


I like san Francisco is a little cool places. It seems like different than L. A. Like kind of like the cityscape and the kind of, it seems more dense or something. But


Yeah something like that. I'm not sure.


Uh wow. Mhm.


Alright man. Uh


This is every better. Oh yeah we're past it right.


Yeah we're good.


What do we do next? Have it just.


I think on the other page you just hit the next era and we're let you go


Sweet. Alright. Well good


to meet you man. Take it


talking


easy.


with you. Yeah. Good luck in your school.


Thanks. Good luck with your job


Them.


for you. Uh You and your family. Stay safe. Yeah.


Okay. Mhm. Shot my family. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Why isn't this weird? It's like flipped. Uh huh. Uh huh. Okay. Yeah. Mm. Hey, how you doing?


Good. How are you?


I'm good.


Mr


Let me start my time. Yeah,


I'm just saying.


Located. The first thing I thought to myself, it was like, Oh, you have to talk for at least 25. I'm like, all right. When I hit the 25 and then I getting anything above 25.


Uh huh. Your mid sentence and you just closed


I mean the way I look at it is like we're obviously going to be delivering such a high quality conversation,


all this?


you know? So it's just like, why would I not want to get paid for every, every priceless second that we can get


That's


these people?


that's right. You gotta know your worth. Right.


But I'm nick it's nice to meet you.


Nice to meet you, Where are you from?


I'm from Orlando florida. How about you?


I'm in California in L. A.


Nice. So how did you like find this survey? I guess? Like what brought you to do this?


Um since covid actually I was like, I need to find ways to, you know, kind of uh add to my income here, so. Yeah.


So it's prolific. Like the only platform that you do or do you do like other things.


I do m turk here there, but this one is way better. So I really just, this is primarily the one I use.


Yeah, I do, I do in Turkey as well. It's funny because I actually think I'm Turkey is better than prolific.


Why


Yeah. The thing,


is that?


I mean the thing about mturk is it's harder to use it, but like in my opinion, once you know how to use it, you can definitely make more money on them turk. Like I'd say I make about $40 a day on mturk, which is like a lot, which is a lot more than like what I do on here.


you know how much time though?


It definitely takes me probably like five or six hours somewhere around there. But I mean, I don't I don't really have like too much going on right now, so I mean but Yeah.


Yeah, I just get tired of it, like doing, I'm sure going to be like oh 10 cents for like however many minutes, and I was like oh it's driving me crazy, so


Yeah, I mean the thing I use um do you know about like the scripts or like the extensions that you can use?


no,


No,


I did.


you should look into it. There's one that I use. It's called, it's called like mturk or sweet or like mturk or sweet, something like that. Um And it basically like it replaces like the normal like list that you have of like the hits or whatever um with like a different one that's like it's like more customizable. And like the whole idea is that like you can select hits that have already been taken. And you can like it like repeatedly

Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Right. Yeah. Okay. Uh huh.


What?


to like make your computer repeatedly refresh those hits. So that like if someone who has it like claimed if they release it, you will be like the first person to get it because


No.


it's like it's like way faster than like what any like manual person could do. So I just like I just like use a strategy like that and I only like do hits that are like a dollar or above bird.


I know, that's what I did. After a while I was doing some of the smaller ones and I was like no way. And then I was like just sorting and like I'm only doing like the top that give adequate. Yeah.


for sure. But so what were you doing before all this all this stuff happened? Like what was your employment?


Uh Well I still actually have my job but costs have increased because like I used to be able to get like snacks at work and like, you know, obviously I wasn't using as much of my utilities because I wasn't home most of the day and now my grocery bill has increased and I'm using utilities like crazy so it's like okay, things are getting a bit tight, so Yeah,


I mean, but we're like in two of like the worst states right now


I


for


know.


for the pandemic, which is it's kind of crazy.


I know. I'm so angry at my state though, it's like we did a good job at first and I was like, ok, okay, we're not stupid and then they just went stupid and


Yeah. You guys are like killing it at first


I.


and they see the thing about here is that we were just terrible like from the very start. So it's like I don't even feel any kind of way right now. I'm just like, you know, it's florida man. Like people are going to do crazy stuff out here.


I know. I feel like that's the norm in florida. Yeah. Okay.


I feel like everyone knows about like the florida man, like the florida man memes because


Yeah, there's a radio station on your called karaoke and they do like this one um little like portion where it's like stories in florida and it's always like something crazy because that's just


yeah, I mean we're definitely crazy. But I did read one time that like part of the reason why you hear more stories like that about florida than like the other states is because apparently there's like some weird law here where like news outlets or whatever are able to report more freely on like some of these like crazy things, like they're, they have like access to like arrest records that normally like in other states, there's like laws preventing you from like reporting on it. So apparently it's just like, it's a thing where it's like the information is more accessible here,


cropping


so it gets reported on more and then it gets picked up more like in like the national media. So, I mean, you know, maybe we're not as crazy, you know, I just, you know, sometimes I tell that to myself just to make me feel better.


Like


But I mean,


you got it right,


I mean, honestly, I kind of just embrace it too at the same point, like, you definitely, have you ever been to florida before, or?


Only once um to go to like Epcot? Not


But Yeah,


know?


I've been I've been living here all my life 25 years and I've I've definitely seen some pretty crazy stuff. So um there's definitely some truth to it, but


Yeah, I feel like there has to be even if what you say is true, I still feel like maybe there's still a little crazier than the rest.


I mean I think a big part of it has to do with like the heat. Honestly, like I think um because I think there was like some studies that they did on that one time they were like examining like the crime rate and I think it was in new york and they like theorize that like a big reason why um crime rates have dropped so drastically in like the last 20 to 30 years um has been like, it's, I mean obviously it's like a huge like confluence of like a lot of different factors, but like part of it was that like the proliferation of just like, like air conditioning and stuff like that has kept people like out of the heat and like he like naturally like turns up like the aggression in people and makes them more likely to like acting reckless ways. And apparently there was like something about like, like some like oil like and lead or something like that that had like something to do with it as well. Like the lead and oil was like making people act crazy. I don't know. It was kind of like vaguely read it. But yeah, that's um, that's my scientific knowledge for, for the

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Oh. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay,


good.


night I guess.


I think you guys having aligators helps to, with the craziness. I mean that's that's a whole other yeah. Mhm.


I mean one thing everyone in florida seen before is uh, an alligator just like crossing the street like randomly.


Two


I feel like everyone I've talked to is like had a story like that before and like it's just like normal, just kind of like shrug and they're just like, I don't send whatever.


I


Maybe


guess.


it's like maybe it's someone's pet.


Yeah, that's bananas. Oh man. Yeah.


I've actually eaten alligator before. It's pretty, it's pretty tasty actually. You'd be surprised.


I thought it was like gay me, you know.


I mean it is a little gamey, but like it also kind of just tastes like chicken. So it's kind of like a little more game here version of chicken.


How did you go, how did you get about eating it?


Um It was just, I was in Miami for the weekend and there was like this like stand on the side of the road that was like advertising it. It's like not that uncommon, like it's not like you just go to like a normal restaurant or whatever, like a chain and they're going to have an alligator to like go to like, you know, sort of like a more backwoods, you need type area or like a more like um, like a local restaurant. Um You might be like more likely to like find it. It's like a novelty thing I think. You


interesting.


know, I don't think anyone is like out there like, you know, surviving or eating alligator all the time.


You


But


never know. Especially in your statement. Yeah.


mean, I'm trying to get away from eating meat in general though. So I mean, hopefully hopefully I can do that.


Why is that?


I don't know to be honest. Like, I mean, I mean a big part of it for me is definitely the environmental reasons and like I definitely um I don't really support like factory farming I guess. So like that's like a big part of the reason. But also recently I've just been like kind of like appalled by like eating me. It's like super weird because I've always been like meat or like my whole life like, you know, I love like chicken, like, you know, steak, like whatever, like I'll eat it. But for some reason like lately it's just been like super like grossed out by almost like I've been like having to like force myself but

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Mhm. Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Mhm. Mhm. Mm hmm. Mhm.


No.


at the same time like I don't really know like enough about like going vegan or like vegetarian I guess. So. I kind of feel like I'm stuck in like a little bit of like a weird place right now.


You're


thinking vegan and engineering is vegan is so much more strict.


yeah, vegans a lot more strict. I mean, I don't know, I mean part of it kind of wants to do it just to like go like all the way, you know what I mean? But like I feel like from a more like practical standpoint like it probably makes more sense to like go vegetarian first, you know?


Yeah. I mean it's like queen smoking, you know, it's like probably a little too hard to go vegan right away, but I


Right. I mean,


never like I'm a really picky eater. So like to just eat a vegan diet. I think I'd starve to death, literally. So.


Okay. Yeah. I used to, I used to be a really picky eater too when I was like a like a kid, I wouldn't like anything, it would just be like the most basic like pizza, like chicken nuggets. Like anything like green, anything like that was like a fruit. I was just like, no, I get that away from me, but I kind of like just like when I got older I just kind of was like all right, like you stop being like a baby about this and just kind of like start trying to eat some more stuff and it kind of worked out. So I mean, I don't know.


Yeah. No, it's it's very visceral for me. Like I'm really sensitive with textures, so like I just, I like there's certain


it's


things


good.


I just cannot eat.


My gosh,


So yes.


you ever have you ever done that? Like have you ever heard of it? Like some people are like super tasters or whatever?


Yeah, I've heard of that and I've had people tell me that I might be um like there was this one test where I could taste like bitter and other people, but it or something like that. So they're like, oh, maybe, but I really have no idea.


Yeah, I don't know. I mean I thought I used to think I was like that too, but I think I'm probably just normal. Like I I kind of want to be like special, like, oh, I'm part of the like the like, point whatever percent that like, like no, I'm not really, I'm probably just an average guy.


disappointing. I mean if there's an Aaron onion in my food, I will find it and so I don't know.


Yeah, I feel you on that. I feel you on that. Um


Mhm.


Yeah,


Yeah.


there was another condition to like when I was younger, like I super desperately like wanted to convince myself, I don't know if you ever heard of it, It's called like um synesthesia where it's like, you see the colors or whatever, like


There's a lot of different forms. Yeah.


Yeah, but like I super was just like, oh my God, that would be like the coolest thing, like, and I'm like, I was like, I remember one time I was like, I was like a lot younger, I was telling myself like, yeah, like sometimes when you read this


awful.


like you can definitely see it. Like you just got to like concentrate, like close your eyes like, you know what man? You're just that's not you. Like it would be cool if it was you, but you know, sometimes you just got to accept accept the hand you've been dealt. Um


Get away from her classmates had one form of it. It's pretty interesting, but yeah. Yeah.


I don't know. I feel like it would be like super cool. Like you're just like this mysterious dude playing the piano. You got your like your eyes close, your just seeing like explosions of like color and like, like all this other stuff. But no.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, some forms though. Like people are bothered by it because it's distracting or it's limited.


Right. Right. I could definitely see that too. Like that's that's the funny thing about life. Like so many people want like to be like a certain way or like they want to have like a certain uniqueness about them and then like you have those people that actually do have that thing and they're just like, nah, I really just wish I was normal, like you could, you could have this, like someone take this from you, like it's probably, it's not as cool as like you think it is, but


Like


you


the


know.


grass is always greener. Like we so need please. Was it? Yeah. So are you in school or like what?


no, I graduated um two yeah, two years ago now um and I was doing, I was living in new york um doing


No.


a paid internship and then like everything, the world kind of like exploded and things got like super crazy up there. So like, I was like, you know what, I think I'm gonna dip out like now it's not, I can go back like home


As


back


somewhere


to florida,


safer?


I mean,


All


so I mean objectively I went from somewhere safer to a more dangerous place. But I mean the


Who left?


thing is that like, you have more control down here, like just because like obviously it's not nearly as dense as like new york's like you're like there, you almost have no choice like even if you just leave to go for a walk like you know you're probably gonna pass like at least several different people that are like within like a six ft range of you. Whereas like over here like you know I can get up early in the morning and like go for Iran and like you know pretty much know that I won't have to worry about like anyone like in my neighborhood like you know being


Because


out at the same time or anything like that. So it kind of gives me like more of like a peace of mind.


Do you live like suburbs or?


Yeah it's like pretty suburban. I mean it's like I'm like 15 minutes outside like Orlando City limits so it's like not as like dense as you would expect. So there's like


What?


a lot of like greenery and stuff like that. Right?


What were you what was the internship in new york? Like


It


what


was,


mary?


it was for an NGO, it was called the independent diplomat. Um I studied economics and international business in college. Um So the, it was basically just like I was interning and helping you know


so


the main guy, I mean I guess you could say and we were just like connecting with like a lot of different Ngos like all over the globe and like helping them like do like fundraising and like doing business like analytics for them and just things like that.


that's


And yeah, it was pretty cool. I was enjoying it a lot and I still had like a few months left. But I mean understand understandably like you know everything had to had to get shut down the way that it did. So


Yeah. It just sucks knowing that like if we had done things like properly like a really country, we'd be much.


Like you literally like read the news like in like Korea they're just like normal like nothing even happened because they actually just like took it seriously and like we're still over here just like my freedom, my right to not wear a mask. It's like, dude just put the mask


Like everyone


on like


else,


just stop like you don't look weird with the mask on like no one is judging you for wearing the mask. Like it's not hard, you're not gonna die like.


You can breathe. Believe me.


you can you can breathe. In fact that is for


I that's the dumbest thing ever.


Yeah, I don't know. It's I've been like really like down on just this whole like country especially because like I mean I was before this to, you know with the way like the past few years have gone like and our current administration and stuff like that. But I mean like singing like this has like really like kind of made me like pessimistic like before I would consider myself like an optimist like you know like like like I think about like bigger things too. Like I think about like you know if we can't even like if in one of the biggest countries on earth we can't even control like a pandemic. You know, how are we going to stop like the threat of like global warming or like you know, how are we going to tackle like these issues that are like even bigger that are like even more complex. Like it just seems impossible honestly. Because we can't even you know, we can't even get our shit together basically for like one thing.


Yeah. I mean that's the worst part is that we don't even try, you don't even want to, you know? Mhm.


But I mean I think it's a big part of it is just because we've become so like we become so polarized politically. You know? It's like you can't nothing can happen anymore without it. Like immediately being viewed through a political lens in the moment. Like you view it through a political lens like it becomes like, you know, because we have a two party system is automatically like this side versus that side. And it's like, you know when you're in the competition with a competition with someone, it's like you can't win unless the other side loses and it just like makes people act like Children. I feel like.


Yeah. Well, that's what's crazy though about a lot of our political issues right now, is that most of the country actually agrees like there's a majority agreement of 75 80%. It's our it's our government itself, it's like we're not gonna listen to you by the NRA so we're good.

Uh huh. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right.


Oh my God. Yeah. That's then alright. That's like a trigger word for me. I start to hear that I'm just like,


Especially


it's like


part


I tensed


out.


up a little bit, you know? Yeah, because we've definitely had like something like the more notable like shootings from like the past couple of years. Um


I'm honestly terrified to go to your state partly because of that.


I mean I don't blame you definitely if you come definitely be mentally on the look out, you know what I mean? Like things, things are liable to go south at any moment, you know?


Gosh.


But


It's care.


yeah, yeah, the shootings crazy. Especially the one that hit me really hard was at the Pulse nightclub because that's only like 20 minutes from where


No.


I live right now. And like, I know people are like used to work there and like used to go there a lot and it's just like, I mean thankfully like I didn't like personally lose anybody like that night that I know of, but like, I mean it's just so crazy that something like that could even happen, you know?


Yeah that's yeah that's insane, particularly close to you. Yeah.


I mean, I'm sure that, you know, there's so many people around the country that have similar stories of just like,


I mean, I saw like one crazy stat where it was like, I don't even remember, it was like, there's like, there hasn't been more than like five days in a row or something over the past few years that there hasn't been like a school shooting or something. Like, we can't even go like a few days as a country without like, shots being fired in a school zone. Like, you know, this is where like, we have kids for education, like, like, it should be like the most like sake one of the most sacred places, right? And we've like, we basically allowed it to like turn into like, am I going to go to school this morning and get an education? Am I gonna get shot in the face? Like, who really knows? It's just like, that's such a terrible feeling to have, you know what I mean?

Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Oh yeah. Yeah. Right mm. Yeah mm. Yeah


you don't have to worry about your Children not coming home from school because


That's supposed to be like the safe place, like, so like they're in school like I know where they're at like you know they can be accounted for and it's just like you almost rather they were like out in the streets like on their own because like they feel like they're less likely to get shot like just hanging out on the street. You know what I mean? Like? But


and I saw something that said like after columbine a bunch of schools started bringing in like officer security guards and one of the schools and they literally haven't stopped a single school shooting and it's just a bunch of minority Children have been like jailed and eventually arrested for like regular uh behavioral issues that aren't crimes. Mm.


I mean there was that, I don't know if you saw that video from like a couple of weeks ago to where there was like a school officer or whatever who was like basically like beating up this like Like 11 year old girl like saying like oh you need to be like apprehended like you're acting crazy and so like dude what are you doing? Like this is like a kid like stop


what's that? Is that I don't even know which video talking about because I can think of like four separately.


Like you don't even, you don't even know but like you know that you've seen that or you've seen something so close to it that it doesn't even matter. I mean the whole, you know the whole thing, it's just crazy. I mean this whole, I mean it's so cliche to say at this point, but like this whole year has just been like such like and it's not even, we're barely even like over the halfway point. You know what


I


I mean?


know.


Like I'm almost like scared to think of like some of the things that you know have yet to happen or like could be happening soon.


Well it's gonna be a long time recovery to from everything that's happened the last year for years, you know?


Right. Exactly. I mean that's also, you know, knock on wood assuming that we don't have another four years in store. I mean that's like that's the biggest like fear that I have right now is like, dude,


and


we have to get this guy out of the white house like


I know I have to like not think about it because it just gets me like so upset. You know, I have to just like take


I mean the thing is like, you almost can't I mean almost think that like, and I'm assuming whoever is going to be like studying these conversations is going to like figure out like, you know, we're just two strangers having a conversation and this entire time, like we pretty much haven't talked about anything that's like not like political or like covid related. It's just like I think that just speaks to like where like the global like mindset is right now, like it's really hard for I think anyone to be thinking about like, you know, more positive things. They're just like some of their more normal activities because you know, we have so much stuff going on right now.


Yeah. There's so much actual serious stuff that has very


All


real and negative effects right now that it's hard to let's talk about something, you know,


Well, let's talk about


Brooklyn.


like sports or like, you know what I mean? It's like, I mean, I would I would love to be like talking about sports with my friends


Thank


right now, But


you.


it's like, it's like, I don't know that, you know, I can't I haven't even really thought about it ever since. Like all the sports like stops because it's just, you know, it's been so


Although


nonstop,


it upsets me, they're trying to push for them to come back. I mean that's not safe like it's so stupid. I love sports, I'm dying for them to come back. But my number one concern is safety, like no risking their lives for a fucking baseball game or hockey game like.


And then it's another thing too, is like, there's like so many of these leagues are trying to restart in florida, like in one of the worst places that you could be in right now. Like why don't we someone should have built like


Hey?


an area like in the desert or something that I mean


No.


where you could like actually like isolate people


Seriously?


the like they're just going to be in the middle of like one of the biggest hotspots in the entire world. It's just it feels like inevitable


Yeah. With the governor who's like, we're fine.


fucking governor man. I mean, our governor, that's the thing too, is like our governor is like, he's so dumb because he just, his entire objective is just to look good for trump. He's like,


Nothing.


I just want trump like anything trump says like absolutely will support it, like he just basically wants to score like brownie points with him,


So


and I'm just


pathetic.


like like dude, I feel like trump is so like mentally like Sina, like he probably doesn't even know who you are,


you're you're one of the governors of like in our country, but you probably like you probably even know your name, like who knows what this man is thinking about right now, because it's definitely not like you know the state of the country, because if it was,


that's


I mean he would be doing things differently. But


only cares about golfing and


oh my God, golf, I feel like he's like one of the reasons why like I hate that sport now, like I just like associate golfing with like trump and just like oh like rich white people that like hate everyone. Just like man.


It's


Which sucked


for that.


is like there's like actual like respectable golfers of course like you know I mean? But like it's just a sport like anything else. But I feel like it's just like attracts like one of the worst like crowds, you know?


Yeah. That's funny. I think I've definitely grown to dislike it more than I used to. So that my


Exactly. I kind of used to be a fan like back when like Tiger Woods was like winning like all the majors and stuff like that, but now I'm just like no it's good to get out of here. Stop


I know


golf.


I have an automatic negative connection with it now, that's for sure. Yeah.


Yeah for sure you say you're into sports like what's your what's your favorite sport?


Yeah, hockey is my favorite. Yeah. Hockey


let's


even I'd say.


okay, hockey is like like one of the few sports, I don't know like really anything about I mean like I know about it but like I don't follow it like that, but I kind of felt like basketball is my sport, but I kind of make a point to like follow most of the major sports.


Yeah. Not I used to follow football but with Kaepernick and the Washington's domestic


Well, they're


back.


supposedly they're changing the name. I don't know if you heard that supposedly.


I mean, you know, they set them up like four times and every time they're like, no, it's fine. You're like, no, it's it's not everyone like it's so infuriating because this keeps coming up and like, you know, every time you get hopeful and then nothing happens and then people continue to use it and I find it incredibly offensive, you know? And so it's just like uh huh.


I feel you on that, but I think we have reached our time according to my timer.


Yeah. Good, good.


All right. It was


I was on my side.


It's a pleasure talking to you. Do you wait do you know if we have to like do it like can we just close the tab or do


I


we


think we can close


don't?


this one and let's go back together when we had open.


All right. Sounds good. All


All right,