No, but there's like there's like a couple of few countries I've been to that. It's like You can live on like $300, 34 well like Like $3, a month. Like comfortably. So


What?


it's interesting right? Yeah.


yeah. What the fuck are everything here? Like


It's like it's crazy but it's so fun.


I want to travel so bad but then I'm like


It.


I'm scared like I I put my family a lot like you normally like go on road trips and everything obviously good. So this summer. No but um it'll be like during the summer we'll do something and then like every couple of years will do like um okay cruise or something or we'll go to like the country you know? But

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Oh.


Oh no big deal right there.


well


Like we'll just go to another country.


I don't know what was going on. I don't know how much money they were thinking when they were able to do that. But it was like we missed the plane or something, we missed the doctor for one of the cruises. And my mom's like let's just fly to the other port. I'm like why? My school

Yeah. Mhm. Oh okay. Gotcha. Okay. Oh. Uh huh. Oh


my


was like yeah not just like an extra $5,000. And I was like how do you want us there?


What


I don't think most,


it's like to me?


Well most people don't, I just like because like the way I do it is like it depends on how comfortably comfortable you are being like kind of a little bit uncomfortable at all times. So it's like places like you know that you're spending $400 a month and you're not seeing like you don't have the comfort of like the U. S. You know everything is a little bit like weird or whatever. Like I like buses are like really cheap but they're really, you know it's like


jay.


you know long. It's crazy. It's like so it's


What?


like stuff like food is really good but like if you're like, if you want to live like a plush life, obviously you're gonna spend more than that. But if you're like okay, just kind of like rough in it, it's like you can swing it or hostels or whatever and stuff like that is like different.


Uh And you did you get a job there and give you a Visa? Like how did you do this? For what?


Well so I had like some savings saved up and I then I was doing um I was learning german in Germany for my Visa and then I started then I like couldn't stay in Germany any longer with that Visa. So I then Prague was like four hours away. And so like, I was like, well I loved Berlin Germany is like the coolest city over. I was like fuck it, I want to stay. So then I went and got a Visa to study at an american university in Prague and then I hated Prague. But anyway, so it was like it's like kind of like living on visas is not the best life but it's what it is. Right? Yeah


I understand.


but


I don't understand. But I can imagine.


where have you been like


Oh, okay. You know how you go on vacations, but you're young and you don't, not that you don't care, it's just, you don't know, like


you


don't


appreciate


have,


it.


it's like, I appreciate it. But I didn't use my phone so I never took picture at that time.


Uh But that's


Well,


almost good in a way or no.


it was good because I was absorbing every proof at the same time memory. Like my parents, I have fun with stuff like I went to a turtle farm and like, um,


Wait what? Hold on. What?


just turtles are just walking everywhere. You pick


Where


them up.


where is this?


Um, Cayman island by the league. It


was


even


good.


is that,


I figured Bahamas, yes.


Oh my God,


In


that's amazing.


places like Jamaica Bahamas. Um,


Okay nice. And I


our


see


cannon.


that stuff I've never done


Yeah. I never did what you did that we need to like to walk experiences. We need to do. Well, my parents, um, they went to Dubai. Um, They went to Aruba the year before though. But yeah,


But


it's


still.


like I want


This


to do these things.


you should absolutely like it's even like as a solo female it's like it's doable. It's like there's definitely places that I won't go alone but like generally as long as you're smart about it and like during the day and stuff like like of course out at night you need to be a little bit more careful. But like, I don't know like you can do it like women. It's like, it's really cool because like especially once you start solo, like you travel solo. Like I was like when I left I was like this is my bubble. I like my bubble. Like I feel safe here and everything else is weird. And then I got there. I was like, I like don't not interested in like communal living. And then I was like, well I have to do hostels to save money. And then


Look.


you find like the coolest fucking people in hostels and the hostels became like the best part. And so it's like, I


hello.


was never like, I was never alone though because then you're like, you go into the hospital, you're like, hey anyway you want to go do this. And then like some random person. Yeah, sure. And then suddenly you have like five people going to do this like random thing you've never done before or you've never let these people that's like Yeah.


like I want to do um, swimming with dolphins, right? I want to travel, right? I didn't have like, not that my friends aren't adventurous, but it's not like, hey, let's go here this weekend. It's like we should


Let's


plan


for


it,


two months, a few months. I want to get out,


Yeah, exactly. By then you're just like, I'll fuck it like no,


But it's


it's


already


it's really


strapped.


hard. It's like if you just like, of course it's easy to say, you know, like just go like, you know, whatever. Like I don't know, maybe, you know, having jobs and everything is kind of a problem. But like, you know like if you can figure it out, it's like, it's so cool because in europe you can just get like tickets anywhere for all like nothing. It's like,


When


like either buses or um flights. Like I was living in Berlin and I was like, fuck it, I found $26 round trip tickets just like an island in Spain like oh


can you be my friend please? When


I


can we


would


will


save?


would be happy


No.


to be.


Quarantine will be like


Exactly. Seriously I'm happy to share any advice if


what


you want.


prompted? I was to get off the country in the beginning, when the ticket put, the airline tickets were like tanks. Uh, it wasn't belonging for travel, but I Oh,


It's so hard because it's like you see these prices and you're like but you're like but we're going to be in lockdown and forever


who?


like


Yes. Wait, okay. I need you. All right. So I like things online. A tv surveys like, so things I thrift I love for things like so


we


much.


are friends already.


Yeah. Oh my goodness. I just put it so good about it. Like I have second I'm going to the mall and spending anything full of praise. I'm like


I know


no I don't find this in like a year and I'll be happy because I'm saving them from the loan so I'm saving money and if I don't want any more I could just sell it. Oh my God


Exactly. Do you know how many things you buy and you're like actually I didn't like us so much


You


and then you're like


can buy like 20 things for the price of one shirt. Like where is that? Okay? Yeah.


anyway, what were you going to say? Sorry, I interrupt.


Okay so I thrift. Yeah I sell them online. Um Like for a craft, that's what I do.


Well is that your full time job or whatever?


What's my full time job?


Well


But I don't make


full


my money.


time. Well okay. But


I


still that's like what you do,


it takes an insane


thanks.


amount of my time. But


No.


like if I was using the same hours I wouldn't I would be making a lot more somewhere else. But it's just because I'm not like set up yet. You know, some people are making thousands of dollars a week doing it, but I'm still trying to like people are making, some people are making like $10,000 a month as if that was like


kids


a goal they were trying to hit and I'm like, what were your sports and your items and what really happened? Are you directing ass? Oh,


But if you like. No, that's amazing. Because I've even thought about like if only I was like good, I'm like look at something like that's worth money is like I can't. But like if you have that skill like that's so fucking cool.


you know, you have that skill, if you have


Get


like the Ebay app, there's a barcode or um you can type it in on Ebay and then it'll pop up and then


nowhere.


it's yeah, like the prices, like if I scan, let me find a barcode. Hold on.


Oh my god. That's


Wait, you want


amazing.


to buy like put off the mark


here. Uh Let's see you don't have one either. Let's see. What can I.


because I don't buy new things.


I know same here. I'm just like okay wait I think this is headphones.


Okay, hold on, hold on, I'm getting it up.


Is it like


Wait,


the people, what the


I'm ready.


people watching our video are gonna be like what the fuck is it still enough?


Hold on.


It might not be good enough quality.


well it's not working but you're being so well.


hang on, let me brace myself here.


Let me see


It


if my


might.


no no, no it's not working because I'm gonna try my go to court.


Okay can you sell your goldfish anyway? Good. Oh yeah. Uh huh.


You got to do it.


E. Bay is like what the


hey.


fuck? No. Yeah wow,


mm.


that's


I don't


amazing.


know what's going on. Wait, that's 72 pac that's pretty good


Well you.


for $30. Don't make me spend money. But you see what,


That's


you see how it


so


was and you just Mhm.


I'm gonna try that definitely. That is so cool. Because like I'm like all about finding weird ways to make money


And


and it's like


we're


I don't I don't want to go back to having like that normal like 9-5. I've done that. I do not ever want to do that again. And it's


general


like okay doing surveys, I'm probably not going to pay rent. But like


nothing.


it's like you put, it pays for like you anytime I want to order something online now there's always enough money to get it. And it's like because I don't order that much and it's like it's so cool like the survey thing I discovered that And there's so many apps where you can do that and it's like you spend so much time making so little money. But like prolific


Whoever.


has been like, I've made like 300 something dollars since the beginning


No,


of the summer, which I'm like, what? That's so cool. Just


it wouldn't.


by having my screen open.


All of the other ones, it's like safe to get this many points. And then you're like, I spent a month that I made a dollar, like I don't


either.


do this. And then it's like, Oh you can only cash for about 10. It's like what if there's another seven


but


months


it takes.


of my heart? Oh


exactly. But it's like prolific. It's like my goal is to, you know, and it's depending if I had an actual job, this would be a little less achievable. But like if I have enough to cash out every cash out day, you know what I mean? Like £5 at least. And it's like, then it's just like so rewarding to be like, I need something so you go to Ebay, you use Paypal and I never did anything with that money. It's like, I don't even know it's gone because it wasn't even there to me in the first place was like, this is cool.


Wait, did you ever, you ever, Did you cash out four times?


total ever. Oh yeah. Many times. Many


Well


more


then


times.


you don't


Why


have to wait to cash out days. Like when if you cash


do


out


you


after you cash out four times, it's instant like you can press cash out.


I thought it, I thought it was still, it would automatically process and then you'd still get on the cash just any time?


No. Yeah, you can just, if


No.


you have the five, if you have the £5,, you just press cash, go to your paper that we


I


need


didn't realize that because I thought it was still like, don't tell me that because I'm like, no, you still got to go for your five. Well, ideally


Shouldn't


it's


be


like


allowed


£5


to do five, It's £5,, but it's just we'll have to wait for Tuesday or Friday Or to clear 30.


I didn't know that. Good to know because


And


I noticed it did some instant, but I was like, I think it still means you have to wait


No,


and


no, no,


you know,


like he goes there immediately. Like


you can


so


press cash out. Yeah. It's amazing. Did you tell user class thing?


I started it and then I didn't finish filling out the application because I got busy and then I was like, then you isn't really


Oh you literally make okay. It's hard because I don't check it as much as I took prolific just because they take a little bit longer. Like my computer just glitches out and I just won't do it. But Um it's $10 per survey and then they just send it right to pay for um to


Are you serious?


yeah, $10. And you just like talk out loud and answer their questions. So simple.


Oh my God. Okay. Because like the I think what happened was I got hung up because they were like, you need to do like a like a sample video and I was like, okay, I don't I can't do it right now. And then I just was like, okay you need to do that and I'm just kind of lazy like that, you know?


But


I don't know.


as long


it


as


is


you just, you speak out loud, like I watched a little video on Youtube of like, oh like what I did to pass the test, all you do is say I would expect to, I I would expect to do this. I would expect to do that like as if it's an actual website and then I got it. It's so simple. You like.


okay then I'm doing that as soon as we get off. That's amazing. Thank you. If you've heard of, how did you find out about all this stuff?


Okay, so I have a friend and we're both like, we both like um do the same thing after I'm, there's this Reddit account that we both find it on. It's just like


I was gonna suggest that to you the Reddit account,


money.


which is how I felt it. Yeah. Your money, your


Everyone


money and


knows that some like it will talk to the money or they know beer money. Yeah.


see I but that's how I figured, I don't know how I found beer money, but then like I found that and then like my mom and aunt have done this kind of shit like for years like done the like the bullshit stuff where you spent a month doing a dollar, you know? And


Where


then I told him about this and they both made like hundreds already, and it's just


it's


like, so now we're just like,


There's


so much


so


to


easy.


go around,


Exactly. And it's like, I don't even feel guilty telling people because like, my mom does it and sometimes once in a while we'll get them where like I'll click, I want to be like, somebody in your household has already done this. You can't


do


you


you know?


can only have one. I think it's because your VPN or something like your internet, I don't know, I'm not technical but like they know that you're coming from the same internet connection. I think if I got a VPN it wouldn't do that. But it's really


Hard.


weird because like, so sometimes like she'll see one pop up and she'll


We


have


were


been


worried.


like, getting it done. What?


your sound is coming you and then I'm unique and then I'm you


Is that better? No shit,


I can't hear you If you me.


um Is that better? No,


god, don't


now?


you? Okay, I can hear you.


Yeah, you can hear me ok? I took the headphones out, it's just my uh I live with my parents and brother now, so it's like, oh but they're all aware that I want a video call for this, let me know if you can't hear me again, if something happens.


I will. I can hear you know


But it's super interesting and then my mom would be like, oh there's a survey that just popped up, like, did you get it? Because if I've been like getting clocked out because she's been doing them all, she'll be like sometimes


when you


like, oh there's one, see if you can do it, but she doesn't get the service, same service I do because we're in completely different demographic and it's like really interesting, like it's super


it's


weird,


pretty


but it's


my friends.


way


Right, okay. This is why our were the same


drip.


or about the same demographics elsewhere though And it's like I'll get some for black people and then she'll get the ones that


What?


are not like did you just want to do like no.


that's interesting. No, the


Well


first one I got one today, which was the first one I was for sure. Like this is for white people and even said like if you're white, this aged at this age in the U. S. And I'm like, oh my God,


wait


there was this one.


how does that work? How does that work?


Oh my God. Okay. No, but I took a screenshot of this. It was like this was the most controversial when I've ever gotten and it was like honestly like kind of offensively, you know what I was just, I saw it. I'm like there's no way you okay. I don't, it's basically it's, I don't know if you can see it, it's listing differently. Different. Um like


Wait, moving over my pictures right there. Okay. Different races.


yes. Yeah. And what you think they are on here?


What what what do you mean? How much of a month are you?


But like how do


I view like people have like whatever or I think it even had like americans, democrats, republicans and


what


then like races.


are you less than human if you are one of these?


This was like, I pretty much haven't gotten much like, I mean I've definitely, especially like back in june and all the black, black lives matter stuff was going on. You got like, I definitely got some like, you know, how positive, you know, negatively do you view this stuff? And


I'm


I'm like, you know, but I've never gotten something so like, wow. Like what is that


like,


like this? So offensive.


You know this let me


I


smack.


do. I'm sorry. I think we're all monkeys at this point.


Yeah, it's cream.


I'm just, I like, I saw that this morning. I'm like, whoa. But it's


good and


so,


interesting life.


I think that you actually took a picture and then was able to use the picture today


I'm well, I know right. And there's definitely some things that come up once in a while that you like and I like send


and


it to my mom like, you know, because sometimes we'll talk about like, which surveys together, whatever. like, oh my God, this really interesting one today. I haven't shown her that yet and I was like, oh my goodness. Like, wow. But anyway, yeah,


Uh huh.


it's I don't know,


Look,


wow. What is that? That's


I love it. It's


It's beautiful. There was this, where did you get it?


the Crystal shop crystal top down the street from my house. So I was like, I'm gonna go there and I I found there and then I thought drifted these two plates like these uh


Book


sunflower. Hold on. It's Sunflower this is


That's awesome. I'm


yeah. Oh mm no,


like, really glad I got something with a personality as opposed to like, I don't know, a six year old.


sometimes the time just drags on a little bit too much of people and I'm like, oh my gosh, like we were talking about like, I don't know


The weather


Like


go walking.


there's this white guy, right? And he may have been like in his he may have been like 27, that's what I give him. We don't know each other's names. We have to tell each other each other's names in a second. Yeah. Well we can if you don't want to, that's okay. Yeah,


no, no. My name is Whitney,


I'm a lot nice to meet you, Whitney.


to meet you.


Mhm. But he he was like um um like high um he was a history teacher and then he's like, I also teach african american studies and you could tell that he was looking for my facial expression because um he was like, like


Wait,


really? He was, you can't hear me


Hold on 1 2nd. Your your video went away.


please.


It's just like an outline of a, like a guy. But I assume that


What


just means I don't know. Well, I mean it's like just a silhouette of like a cartoon person.


What the heck? I


Can


didn't


you


do


see


anything.


me?


Yeah, I can see you.


Maybe I didn't hit it or anything?


what's up? I don't want


I


to


press brush because I don't want it to go away.


yeah, I don't do that. Um I don't even know. How do you even end this thing? Yeah.


You can't be explained. Don't do that. Oh


Wait


my God. Wait, I can try to go out like, oh, I'm scared.


can't hold on let me look at this.


Can I give you like my number or something? Just in case we're disconnected because we hit the 25 marks. So if we like if we end, it's not going to be like awesome.


Right. Let me grab a pen some wire here. Oh there you are. You're back but still might as well. Right. Oh Goddammit. Hold on. Okay. Just in case I'll verify and you can verify me. Yeah.


Alright. My name am I. K. AI L. A. And then 267 67 up. 3310.


All right. And I can give you I just, my internet is like my I live in the like two hours from eight hours from Seattle. I'm like if you Made a straight line to Seattle it's probably like 20 miles. But I live across the water from Seattle so you have to take like a fairy and everything. I live in the middle of nowhere. Like yes, like my I don't even because where my parents live and I didn't know I was going to be here this long and without a job. Like I can't just go like get an apartment because I'm still planning to go back to europe eventually. So here I am in the middle of fucking nowhere. I know almost no one here, like,


So do you know people from europe? What do you have a


almost


group? Yeah.


My


I don't


best.


care. What's your


But


job.


well like, because I was studying there and then like, now I'm going to go back and there's this program you can do, it's called Work away. You want your face went away again.


No, no. With


but


the number.


there's a I'm here. I'm sending you a tax right now. Uh


Yeah. I've heard about work away though.


Oh, you have okay, let me know if you get it. My like I said, I have almost


I'm not.


no cell coverage. I can just give you the number two if you have a pen.


I got it. Uh huh.


yeah so like that's what I was going to do and like then just like live random places while I study online and because why not? Right. Uh But I forget what I was going with that anyway. Yeah so like like all my friends are in, well not all my friends, I could have friends in the U. S. But I've never actually lived in Washington up until now. And so like here I am like I know a couple of people but that's about it. It's ridiculous. Like my best


Mean


friend is


that


like a gay guy from Nepal who I met in Berlin. And it's just like what the fuck Like.


actually I want to live like this. Like you're my inspiration. I hope you know that.


it's like it's so it's so easy to like guys can do it. You know you're just like oh but he's a guy like it's so doable if you have my number, you have my number. If you ever like, hey let's chat, let's I want advice like I'm your girl, you just text me and uh


Yeah. And what like how old are you?


I'm 28.


28. I would have to keep seeing me again.


Yes, I can see you again. How


I'm


old are you? You look


inc


like you're 18 by the way?


No I'm I'm 19. Sorry I forgot. What? No, no you forgot because my birthday just


Ha ha.


why not?


Well, happy


I


birthday


never like thank you. I thought


you were like


20. No.


no, I mean I thought you were 18 and then I was like that's impossible because she can't have this much stuff in my time.


I know. Well, but what I found is like I didn't do anything until I was like 20 for like I was so quiet and shy and like I lived in my little bubble and I was happy and now it's like I look I look back at photos now, I look so much older back then than I do now. I like seriously look younger now than I did back then because back


Normal.


then people thought I would like was late twenties and they'd be like, you know, if they ever guessed and be like late twenties now is everyone guesses like 22 or 23 that was like there's several years of difference there. It's ridiculous. But


Yeah, that's part of a lot.


Yeah. Yeah, no it's cool but


It is


it's interesting like how like, I don't know like confidence, I think it's like confidence and happiness that I've gotten from like living a lot of being like so empowered to like, I can do this like, you know when nobody else is there to fight for you, like as far as like Visa or like, you know, you have to figure this shit out. It's like another language in another country. It's like you gain so much like power is so cool. Yeah.


sounds awesome. Did you have to like go to court for the Visa? What you do? Is it all online?


Well no it's like it well in Germany it was a lot harder because like you have to do appointments and stuff and you have to go in bring


How


out


much


your information, but you actually set up bank accounts and like get a residence and all this kind of shit. And then Prague was easier because I was already in europe and like it was easier because I've been through it before and everything, but


purpose?


if you know what you're doing it can be fairly easy. But there's like, it depends on what Visa, if you're getting like a job Visa, it's way, way, way, way harder than like a student Visa because you have to prove how much you're making, you have to get letters, all this kind of crap. But yeah, so it's not fun, it's not fun at all.


It sounds like fun. I'm like I can't be a week.


But you


Israel


do you are you going to school right now? Are you just like working?


I go to school but it's like summer still right now. So I back up in september I'm going to our language interpreting,


Oh that's so cool.


I


What


don't want


is he? Wait, is this like a university or is it like a great uh what a tech school, like what do you call it?


right now into the community college, um I want to be part therapist, but I would have to


On.


go all the way across the country or I would have to pay like crazy stupid high tuition to go to fill to pennsylvania. So I'm


Which


like,


is ridiculous.


yeah, it's like, I don't what as it is, so I'm like, well I don't really want to be in debt right now and it's just like better go for something that I can apply to, anything, you know? So um I mean, it's kind of hard because it's hard, but at the same time it's rewarding, you know?


Oh, I bet. Oh my God. Like, wait, so are you fluent in sign language? Are you learning


No,


now?


not yet. I'm still learning


That's so fucking


month.


cool. Like excuse my language, but that's so cool. I love languages, but I can't imagine like sign language like that. So like cool.


Yeah. I mean, I've always been like active with my hands, like I'm an artist and then like I um like I just always have done things with my hands, so it just made sense, you know?


Home


And um my teachers are actually deaf, so I learned


Mostly


directly.


have to.


Mhm. Yeah. Well, no, no, not all of my teachers, just like my ex I language teachers are death. It's just, I didn't, I wasn't expecting that when I first went there because um I didn't know that this was gonna be my major, I wanted to take a ceramics class and it got dropped because of low enrollment, so then I had to switch it over to something else, and I was like, oh, I'll fix that language, and they were like, okay, the class starts tomorrow, and I was like, okay, sure,


That's so wait, do you have like deaf people in your life or you just like this is


you


just something


know,


completely from nowhere?


I don't have dead people in my life, but it's like,


You


I


will?


know that it will make a lot of money, and at the same time it's like, especially now, like anything, it'll be great to be able to communicate with someone in a different language you know? And


I completely get it. Yeah, I'm


being


not.


able to home like right now interpreters um well they were like a few months ago interpreters were making $300 an hour um to do like to interpret at courts just because it was like we need the information out there and they're so like the news is constantly on that they needed more people. So


my


with


God, that's well, Well I think


it's


like


not going to feel like that forever. I hope I hope it's like that forever but I hope that it's not because of a pandemic.


well obviously, yeah, but like that, but that's just like I've never messed with, it was like, I didn't know you could like study for that at a school. Like what? Well


can there were schools around me that offer it surprisingly it's crazy like as majors


yeah, is it a major to like you are an interpreter is a major in sign language and then you're going to do an interpreting thing


right? It's um interpreting is not the same thing as just learning sign language though. Like there's death studies we can like absorb sign language, learn about the culture. Like I don't just take my language class. Have to take finger spelling class and learn how to finger spell fast. I have to take a death culture class. I have to take a linguistics. Like it's like


this is our


different


many of this,


yeah with the grammars and I


this


feel it


is like mhm huh


like a baby because it's like when you're young, you know how you learn like the alphabet, the, it's like I'm starting over because it's a new language.


Uh Yeah well because I I completely understand because like I mean I've learned german and now I'm learning Turkish on my own but you feel like an idiot you can't even like understand basic just like


And you


but


know it,


it's like I've


what


I


the hell did you say to me?


here yeah but like I feel like you're getting a cool do view into like a different culture within a culture, you know it's like because it's I mean of course there's things like you know like black culture like asian culture within our culture, you know the american culture but you know those people can still like easily communicate you know, you know color to color.


No.


But like deaf people are a little, I would imagine a little bit isolated in away from like everything else because they can't interact in the same way. So you're seeing something that's like even more like removed and I think that's I love cultures and languages so I think that's fucking awesome.


Well you'd be surprised how many people how many deaf people there actually is. Like my friends, like she texted me today the one that I was telling you about like the surveys and stuff. She's like, hey, I'm in the doctor's office and there's two people signing here like doing side language and I thought about you and I'm like, cool, like, or I went to the nail salon, like a few, I don't go to Nashville and often I'm like, I have nobody to help. I am. I went a few months ago and um, this woman was so mad, but she couldn't express her point. It was before I like was better at style language and I'm like, I can help you. But she was upset and some of them, some of them don't like help. Like they like their independence. So you want to make sure you ask, you want me to help you because it's like they don't want to be babied. You know, it's like they're human and it's like, I need, it's frustrating because she's like, I don't like it, I can see her going, I don't like it. I don't like it. I'm like, okay, but she wasn't talking and the friend that she was with was deaf too, and they weren't like, we can't use pen and paper because your hands are wet and I'm like, this is frustrating for me to watch when I know I can't help, but they didn't want me to help. Mhm.


that's interesting. Oh my gosh


well but that's not something I think you would learn about in like you know diving into that community a little bit more so like why


room


it's like that? How did better deal with that?


I worked at a at a jewelry, like you've run into dead people so much more often. Um like a jewelry, like she worked, she was a jeweler, she worked at like a jewelry store and that person came up and she needed to do a return and then she was like, she was saying she was deaf but like mouthing and she's like, oh, I know sign language, hi, how are you? And she was like, you know, like


she did not want her to use styling, right? Doesn't, but it's important people grow up in hearing families and um when their families are hearing, they force them to do as much hearing like things instead of converting themselves to sign language. So they feel we identify more with the hearing community and they have like a hatred towards the deaf community because they were never grown up in it. So it's like Yeah.


I've heard of this.


Yeah, it's like they


whoa.


they wish, they say we wish that they could like come into it later, but like it's um like when you're you feel ashamed of something, so you feel like hatred towards it just because like, oh I wish I wasn't like this, you know?


I've also but I've also heard like


Or


I saw a documentary about like a family where their kids they were they were all death, but then the parents have a decision to make for the Children to put in the cochlear implants and they were like, they chose not to because they were like, no, they're one of us. And I'm


they


like,


that most of people are against a cochlear implant because um well once it's there, you can't get it removed. So if you, if you make that choice as a baby for someone, they never get to get and they're they're hearing is never perfect. So they're just always static instead of hearing nothing. So it's like when we feel like nothing's wrong with us, so why are you changing us like that? People usually don't feel like anything's wrong with them to be changed


interesting


uh foundation um he made the telephone alexander, I think it's alexander but he he


grandma.


made the top Yes mm he's terrible for the deaf community because he forces them um forces people in schools to not use sign language. Um there's like threats for you if you lose that language. Like there was this um like there was


What?


a whole revolution kind of thing like with the deaf community because the president at this holdup school with hearing and like they just, it was like they were trying to convert all the hearing people, you cannot use some you cannot use on and like at this one place it's called um Gallaudet University. They um it's a completely that school and not supposed to be using sign at this death school. They were supposed to be using hearing like the I'm not hearing um


we speak people and liberating speaking a little it's like why would


But


I do that for like they would get, they would get hit at different at these different schools, hit with a ruler


on,


if they um using their hands they weren't allowed


well we, well, I


Not accepted


feel like this


because everyone to be like them like they want everyone like there's enough space in the world for everyone. The heck


I know right? Like I'm actually, I've never like thought much about this, but this is like really fascinating. It's like I can see it on the outside and be like, well, what's wrong with, you know? But it's like unless you're in that community, you know, it's like, well, I mean it's the same thing that goes on with like,


on.


you know, all the other things. Like, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, like there's no racism problems. It's like but you're not the one on the other side of it, You can't understand it unless you've been in those shoes, you know? So it's like it's not your place to tell somebody, you know how to feel about a certain thing. So it's like I'm curious now hearing this from the outside of like on the outside, I'm like why not use sign language? Why not? Do you know like cochlear implant? But it's like I'm not touched by that. It's not my place to be like wow, like this is how it should be. It's like oh


it's a major like I you know how like they're making like improvements to deaf people like their helping these kids be hearing and stuff that's not seen as an accomplishment like in the deaf community right?


pesos.


This is a culture. Like say it's just like that's their identity and you're making it invalid by making it so that there's less deaf people to come into their culture. Like it's like I'm not genocide, but it's like you're stopping


I


the recreation of


I understand


that


what,


people.


okay, I understand that. It's just like wow, I feel like there's so many like deep dives here you can do into like psychology and like sociology and like all this kind of stuff. So it's actually


No.


really interesting. Yeah. Whoa well thank you for sharing that. That's super cool.


thank you for everything that you share. Like I definitely want to learn. Like, you know, a whole different language fluently and I'm like, whoa, America.


Well you're going to get much better than me because you know like well as you learn like well maybe it's a little different so it's not a complete other languages. Still speaking the english structure and everything. But


It's a different grammar, like the grammar,


it is.


like we speak, like we say, um my pillow was over there. They say my pillow. No, no, it's like it's awkward.


What?


It's not, it's not, it's not the same thing, you know?


I had


And


no do.


students like it's not people think it's gestures like, oh this means this, this means that it's not gestures, everything completely different. Just some things remind you like, like a can of coke, they're signing, you would think that's a needle, but it's not


If


or like Abraham Lincoln is the worst sign ever. It's A


what?


and L. Like he got shot in the head. It's funny. Hold on, I'm pretty big.


Oh my God. Wait hold on. Do that again, Will.


do it again. And he was like a when I was like, okay,


Doesn't matter which hand you're using.


uh well, okay, so if your dominant hand, some of them are two times like this is sunday, we're fine. Like that's two hands, but you can't um okay, you can't do that. Like you, you put a prominent hands, you know,


Okay. Well I didn't


or


know if there was like if it meant it was this hand, it meant one thing which is this hand? It meant the other like


no,


another thing.


but sometimes just for similar, like it's just some of them look extremely like identical if you're not looking at the context of the sentence, you know? Uh huh. And like that people don't like people with disabilities, surprisingly I was, I have a whole debate, not debate, but like I would, this would always make me mad about the deaf community because I'm like technically they don't see themselves as disable and they feel like any association with them, it's like considering them together and I'm like, but you can you can not differentiate. I did that

Oh listen. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Oh okay.


I have one. I won't keep you going forever. Like I just have one question. How


go


is


on.


it different from british? Uh Because there's american sign language, right, is that it's complete own thing? Can you understand like british,


No


silent


language, like there's a lot of different ones, there's british sign language, there's E. S. L. Exact signed english, that's not a language. And then there's um like pidgin sign language, it's not a language like it's like some of them are not languages where some people will say um okay t I like right, that's sign language. And then I like tea, that's exact signed english. That is not a language that's


that's fucking fancy baby.


All of the words like I can like some people like on Youtube like they'll sign whole songs, right? And then some of them you can tell that they're signing it. Like it's really hard to interpret because you have to hear it and then like do it as you're doing it or so not the same as just knowing, you know, it's like you have to know and understand how to convert it. So


What?


like it's different, but I don't know, british language because that's a different language, you know? And it's


Wait,


like


could you,


yes Swedish. I believe there's a bunch of different ones. Even spanish.


Is there my language in spanish?


Oh I bet like if it's, if british and american english are different completely, like I imagine every language has its own, but like, wow, I'm sorry, I'm just like processing, like this


No,


is so interesting


it's okay.


to me. Yeah.


You talked


Wait


me because sometimes I like question what I want to do with myself. I'm like, I don't know if this is what I want to do. Like, you know, like I just, because I still want to do the art therapy thing, but I know it's gonna take so much of my life, like it's gonna take so much time. I'm going to be in school for so long and I'm like, do I want it that bad? And then it's like job security, you know, with this people are always going to be deaf and there's always going to be things that technology can't catch up with. Like, you know, I'm going to be that and it's just like, so it helps me to talk about it occasionally and like people's interest rubs back off on me and I'm like, okay, I should practice so

sure. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm Yeah, exactly. Yeah,


I


thank


think,


you.


well I think, oh no, no, like I'm like seriously, like my new, I've been, you know, you go through phases of like interests and stuff, but like my current quarantine hobby and I've always enjoyed, like languages like german is cool but like they all speak perfect english, but now I'm like learning Turkish, I'm like, I'm very beginner, but like you can communicate with people who don't speak english as well, you know, or don't speak any english. And I find it so interesting now that like you compare like different kinds of languages to like others and so like that's kind of like my interest anyway. And so it's really


interesting


I'm


because


not whole.


I never like it never really clicked with me about like I've never thought much about like sign language and like hearing about like your interpretation is like wow these are questions I never even thought to wonder before.


Well, I didn't, I haven't used the app dual lingo, but I know that like, did you ever hear that


Yeah. Oh yeah of course. Yeah.


you have a sigh language pushing on there? I haven't. Who's it? But they do have that.


You're probably too advanced at this point for just do a lingo. But


You


like


never


when did you start learning this last fall?


Yeah, Most far not this not last like


Like


I


a year ago?


Yeah, a year ago. Yeah. Uh huh.


wow.


A little maybe a little bit over because in high school I was taking I was going to high school and then at 10 23 am we could leave if we had a college class schedule. So I was like I'm definitely going to college classes that I can leave and just take that one class and you've gone after day and I took one then the next semester I took A. F. L. Two. Then I took when I was actually in college, that's when I started taking depth studies, finger spelling like that. So it's like it's different because it's more consistent like I'm constantly learning instead of it being one


Great.


portion, you know?


Right. But still like you had a base you had a basic understanding because like at least you understand basic concepts where I didn't even realize like E. S. L. Was different than like A. S. O. Is that the right to say it? Uh


I didn't know that even before I took that class so it's like it's just the one class,


Well you should definitely keep up with it. I feel like I feel like you'd be really good at because your face is so animated and stuff


thank


you so much, you're so sweet.


you sure. Like if you like it of course not. If you're like, oh God, like if you're like constantly like this isn't fun anymore. Obviously not. But like


You


you


know


don't have


like


to take


it's just like okay if you don't have to play a video game of course you're not gonna like it as much until you know how to play. You know? It's like


Of course.


I'm still learning the mechanics and everything behind it, but once I'm fluid, I'm gonna love doing it. It's just like the learning is tedious.


He's like, no, I totally get it. But then like as you make those breakthroughs, like you're just like, like you can understand so much more suddenly and you're just like wow this is so fun. Like


Yeah. Thank you. Hope it's because we're starting back up and I'm like here we go.


you can do it


to like normally only take one type of like my major class, like major specific and then I take other like um prerequisites and that I need and I'm like this this one's gonna be a hard one because I'm taking like the grammar class and um A. S. L. Three and it's like both them together is going to be


what? Yeah,


It's


you can do it.


Thanks.


You can do it. There's


Thank you.


so much time on


I


your hands right now, Right?


believe in you like everything that you were getting back to europe. You'll get there. Mhm.


Thank you. But


You,


I'm glad you're a good partner to start with. Thank you.


Yeah. And I wish you so many more like study because six of them, like that's a lot for


Wait,


people to not


show


don't


up.


know.


Let's


I'm


get


like, it might be.


look.


Thank


So


you. You too. That's


All right.


Well, I'll let you go down. Yeah.


You know,


Yeah. Nice meeting you. If you ever need anything, you have you ever questions? Just shoot me a text?


You know, and let me know if you have any sizable depressions or anything else to We don't. Hi,


bye.


you. And how good night? Yeah.


Right now for user testing.


Yes, we'll do that.


Yeah please. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Oh boy. But okay. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Okay. Okay. Something like this mm. Yeah. Yes. Okay.


look Yeah can you hear me? Okay


Yeah. Yeah. Sounds good to be doing


I'm pretty good. Are you?


good thanks.


What's your name? What's


What's that?


your name?


Uh manganese blue?


Look


How about you


my name's josh


josh?


nice to me.


Yeah you too. I really like your shirt. Mhm.


Uh Thanks. It's I stole it. There's a shirt you can buy. Do you wanna do you know what uh X. K. C. D. S. So there's a comic for X. K. C. D. That says something like this with a graphic and then when I would be out of so many people would say that they liked it that I had you know other shirts made that said basically the same thing. So.


Yeah. Some dude and we need more of that right now too. We need more science


yes that's true. Actually this shirt is pretty old. I have not wearing this out to recently so


because


um I think the people who need to hear it though are most pretty good at ignoring it right now so. Mhm.


found that to be


I'm


true in my experience


trying.


unfortunately. All right.


do you work in Stone? Okay


sort of um I am married and my wife her job has allowed her to work from home. Um and I used to have I worked in a lot of the office jobs and a couple of years ago I just burned out and my wife said well I know you want to write novels so why you do that? I can take care of us both. So that was two years ago and that's a very uh um she is not lying, she is more than happy

wow. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Sure. Okay. Mhm wow. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah.


What I would


to be


do


doing this. And it's really cool. So I actually wrote A


Okay.


600 page novel


Probably.


that I'm trying to edit and it's uh it's a beast sort of work from home, but I haven't earned any money yet,


That's that's impressive that you wrote six I mean to write 600 pages of one coherent thing it's you know up quite a feat


especially with my brain, so Yeah,


I think for anyone.


well, and I'm not a I'm not an outline. Er So I just kind of like, right, and it works for me because it's not like some sort of rigid uh you know, plan on following. It's sort of like, well what would happen next? What feels like it would happen next? Um Yeah, it's a it's really fun and I'm I'm


Hi.


happy with it, I hope something happens with it, but if not cool, I accomplished something that I'm proud of it. So that's that's not something I would have said a few years ago.


Yeah I think that's awesome.


Thanks.


I mean what kind of book is if


All right. It's it's definitely fiction and it's pretty much like just everything I like. I just put in a blender and I wrote a book that I went, oh, I'd like to read this. So um but it's part it's like a comedy horror adventure and it's about these uh dogs in this whole neighborhood and there's a just like kind of lovecraft ian monster that wants the dogs to like become up risers against humans. But


give me give me an example of a book the H. P. Lovecraft Row like what is this most famous books again? Mhm.


he did The Call of Cthulhu. Um If you ever saw the re animator movie, he


Oh were you animators based on H. P. Lovecraft? Okay.


and in the Evil Dead movies, the necronomicon is it was a creation of his, so he always has monsters that are like beyond human comprehension that try if you tried to like see them. Like people sometimes like lose their minds just because it's psychologically. Uh huh.


Have you seen the movie? It follows it?


Dude,


Would that be Canada's Lovecraft in potentially?


you know um I mean I guess in the way that sometimes the monsters are, they're basically like unkillable and so that kind of tracks with it follows for sure. Um It's usually much more of a like um I'm trying to think of a really like, did you ever see Hellboy?


I have seen how Boy it's been a while. That's the one with Ron Perlman. Right That was in the movie. Yeah.


Yeah. There's a part in the beginning of the first one where they're trying to like rip a hole in reality and you see like it's like a light goes into that portal and the light is teeny tiny against this huge giant monster that you only kind of see parts of it. And so that's that's Lovecraft inspired to uh


Okay so maybe like a little more cabin in the woods have you seen that movie? But


cabin in the woods is awesome. I'm cornered.


Sorry


So Yeah, I


although kevin Woods has the whole satire part which I don't think is love caffeine, right?


Oh right, right. Um Yeah, but but the


But the whole thing about the end that they're all doing this thing to keep the all that basically everything going to hell and there's all this machine of you know, just basically evil built up to stop more evil is uh I don't know, I need to read, I haven't read probably since I was in high school anything from HBO, he writes mostly short stories to write.


Uh Yeah. I think almost all of them, I think the one, the big one, the Call of Cthulhu is um that's probably like the most well known and it has like the most influence and um, but I haven't, I know it was a book, but there's a show on HBO now called Lovecraft Country and I guess it's part like I just started last night, I didn't watch it yet, but it's like part horror and then part like it's about the experience of like black americans and it's kind of a mesh of those two. Looking forward to


Was


that. Yeah.


H. P. Lovecraft Black?


No, no, no, in fact, um he is, there's no defending it, but he had some pretty racist views. The reason it's not a defense, but just the reason why was he was raised by some very paranoid. I think it was just his mother, she was very paranoid. She kind of instilled that fear of paranoia in him to the point where he was, he was afraid of black people as he was of like air conditioning and things because he just never encountered it and he uh you know, and that's one of his biggest themes. In fact it's, I forget if it's a quote from the story, but he says like the oldest human emotion is fear and the oldest fear is fear of the unknown. So it's kind of interesting how that was him and like his experience. And then also that's just a universal fact. Like if we don't understand something, it's generally like we're afraid of it instead of like welcoming something new or different. Yeah.


The other the other you know that that kind of feeling down


absolutely, absolutely. And what's interesting is he even wrote a story where the main character thinks he's normal and then he finds out, oh I'm the other, I'm the freak that is scaring people away and when you, like, he


two,


died in his thirties or early forties or something. Um and he had other writer friends, like robert Block is one of my favorites. He wrote the novel psycho. Um he's really cool, but he was one of the people who was kind of like, you know, I think


I


your


know


views are just based on


myself


your, you know what, you don't know. And so he started to come around later in


terrible,


his life, um which is good and again, it doesn't excuse that other stuff, but it's really interesting and I think it's almost beneficial to see how someone can be like unreasonably scared of something and, and kind of approaching, like, I want to talk to you about like, you know why racism is bad. So let's approach it from the way, like, you don't understand it, you don't understand a group of people. So let's not like freak you out, let's just start finding similarities and then it's like see everybody's basically the same, we all have the


The


same


world


feelings and stuff, it's just a


people,


it's an aesthetic ethnic issue that doesn't have any bearing on a person, um their character, their feelings anyway, God,


No,


I rambled a lot, telling


that's cool, that's cool. Yeah, no, I'm into I'm not I haven't spent read as much like horror and sci fi as I would like to um but I really like, you know, I used to read a bunch of steven Kane and I've watched lots of horror movies. I think the whole genre is interesting. I think it's interesting that the people who like that stuff like the one of the most stable genres of cinema watchers, like you can make a crummy horror movie that cost like no money and they will still make like, you know, some 10 millions of dollars and so you have all the famous actors who they just want to break out and they all you know, so they get better actors sometimes than like other things and especially now because those are kind of like the independent movies because they don't make a lot of like the the indie dramas and stuff, but they just keep making the Indy horrors and the indie um Maybe it's not pure horror about like you know, the scary movies and stuff like that. So I think I think it's really interesting the whole the whole dynamic. I mean I like the stories too because there's all there's different types you know and everything so um

Sure, Yeah. Mhm, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,


yeah.


so I was curious. Yeah like what what do you think are like the best, what are your favorite um like or like you know movies? Um obviously like re animator,


The every animators great uh evil that too is one of my favorite john Carpenter's, the thing is awesome um and I love um like italian horror movies, I don't know if you've watched very many of those, but


what would be an example? I don't know if I know them by that. Oh


like there's a guy named lucio fulci who did um oh man, he will, his most famous one problem, arguably it's just called zombie and if you've ever heard of or seen, that's the one where zombie fights a shark underwater. Yeah, and it's


What?


a real shark, It's crazy. It's one of the craziest things, but, and then one that really kind of factors into my book is called The Beyond and it's um, it's kind of lovecraft in a way because it's like this doorway to hell and people, it's so hard to describe because italian horror movies almost feel like dream like, and sometimes that uh Italians when they make movies, um, and they've been doing this for years. This is why I like you watch like the good, the bad and the ugly and it's like why is everything dubbed? It's because Italians would um film a movie without recording the audio because it's cheaper. So that's why like even Clint Eastwood looks like he's kind of dubbed and it's because he is, he's dubbing himself. So in, in the italian horror, it everything feels very kind of like dream like and the people are all talking like sometimes a little out of sync and that makes it feel like a dream and then the the kills and stuff are like damn near operatic. They're like over the top, there's like spraying blood weird. Uh it's like it's obviously fake more, but it's also disturbing and like this weird kind of uncanny value. Uh and I love those. I don't I don't know what well no, I just said what it is that I like. Um But yeah, I'm really not, I'm really not picky. I the biggest sin a movie can


Are. Yeah.


commit in my view is being boring because I've seen a lot of bad movies that like you said, there's a lot of heart in it and people put their blood sweat and tears and they're doing something happy, they're making something they enjoy instead of being like a cynical um you know, just I'm out to make a buck and everything, it's it's


You don't


fun


want to.


and that in comedy or kind of like they have those um reactions, like it's like either you're scared or you're not, you're laughing or you're not and even if you're not scared or laughing, you can still like appreciate it if you're at that level. But I think those two things are really divisive just because of how subjective everyone feels about laughter and fear and uh


Yeah they can be polarizing like some people just have strong opinions about, even if movies are pretty uh low stakes things to have opinions about, so it can still be fun just in the same way that like people like to disagree about sports and stuff like that to. Um But


Yeah.


yeah I know what you're saying. It's kind of a yeah I do think it's a train. Yeah. Comedy is that way too. I don't I don't have as much I mean obviously I have like you know certain movies they're like I I really like like the Judd apatow that whole you know those guys the whole when they made all those movies and stuff like that. But uh yeah I don't know if it is it is really interesting to think about like um you know how you there's so many different ways to like um produced like those things like some people like you say they really are more like top down and then other people like are more bottom up or they have like their somewhat more biographical and then they leave their friends stories and they make them all into the same, you know they tell much stories through the same characters. And so I think that's what's cool about it is that there's so many ways to, you know, create something that other people can relate to and doesn't have to be like, you know, part of the thing is like discovering how to make it is like the, you know, the interesting stuff about it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh


Yeah. Well, and I even um I even kind of like struggled for a while and with um like I'd be writing something to go, oh man, this sounds like this thing I like or it's this thing I like and I kind of had to, it took me like a little bit of reading and watching Youtube videos to reassure me like everybody's like, it's going to happen, those things that you like are going to come through in it and unless you're like out to go, I'm gonna rip this off, like that's your, whatever. It's usually just that your subconscious using stuff and you could give to people the same premise and it'll go in like wildly different directions. So I kind of push that away and, and just looked at it more of like, these are my influences and especially in the book, I have all kinds of like movie references and stuff. It's like, it's pretty clear, this is my jam, so I'm not out. It made me feel a lot better that way. So


That's cool. Yeah, I'm really impressed that. I don't know if I could write 600 pages about one thing that was not uh like, you know, that was totally, I mean maybe I could, but I probably couldn't do it in a very, you know, it probably take me 10 years to do something like that. So you have to really like it. That would be other things. You have to really know what you like and really be super passionate about it.


Yeah, no, I appreciate that. That's, that's um yeah, I appreciate it. And, and part of my worry too was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave my corporate world or whatever you want to call it and start on this. I really hope I stuck to stick with it and I, I've never worked so hard and so consistently in my life and it just was like, oh yeah, look at when you actually like what you're um yeah,


There's


so


a whole whole other level to your perform. I'm like, I'm I'm not, you know, I'm relating to what you're saying as you're talking about it. So I have never written a book, but you know, I started um you know, multiple businesses and um you know, I have done uh you know, like creative things with like software and stuff like that where I felt like, you know, if I solve the problem that was like really hard and there was nothing to do it that needed to be done. And so a lot of the same things kind of apply because you sort of know you're here and this is where you are and it seems really far away and you do a bunch of stuff to go towards it. Sometimes you're like, oh, this is really stupid, like this doesn't work and then you have to like, but then at least, you know, we're not to go or you know like, oh what I really trying to do here is more like this. And so I have, if I have to redo all this and so it's like a whole bunch more work, but you know, because you don't get lucky and just get to find the right path like, you know, the


told


first time. But if you did that, it wouldn't be as interesting either because then you wouldn't have the, you know, like the reflection and sort of, you know, the, you know the sort of the question of like what am I actually trying to do here? What did I think I was trying to do? But what I actually want to do and stuff like that. So I think that's that's always like really interesting. It's like a never anything. And so that's why I think it's great. It's like once you do it you can do it over and over and over again and you just get better at it.


totally


Mhm. That's


what is it like failure is just practice for success or something like that,


do


like and learning not to, if you do something that doesn't work not to just go well that sucks and throw it away. It's like I'm going to put it aside because maybe I can use it for something else or this will solve a problem that I don't have yet or something and,


that's


and


what, that's what the one of the guys who started google larry page, he says that People think that you either fail or succeed but really it's hard to fail 100% of something, even if you only succeed 1% you learn something in the 1% so that if you do that over and over again, you add it up in the compounds then it can turn into something. That's what they they started google because he had a dream one night about that like um that he could put the entire internet on one computer. So he woke up from his dream and he told one of his friends and you know you won't be able to do that. So he's like, well, let's just try to do it. So they started trying to do it and then eventually they're like, well, what can we do this thing? They turned it into, you know, how can we search it and do a better search and stuff like that? So, uh, but it wasn't like he decided like, oh, I'm going to make a better search engine or something like that. It was just this thing that happened and he just pursued it a little bit more each step and turned into something different than he would have thought that it did. Um, and then, you know, that obviously benefited a whole bunch of other people from, you know, doing that, which is like kind of amazing. I mean, would we even behavior able to have this conversation right now if he hadn't done that one thing? So I don't know. Yeah. It's kind of weird.

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh huh. Yeah, totally. Right. Yeah,


no, that that's a good point, I didn't think of it that way. That's really good. I'm not sports guy by any means, but my um, my wife and I watched that Michael Jordan documentary. Uh


yeah.


yeah,


Last ants. Yeah.


yeah. So good. Did you watch it


I watched it twice. Yeah.


right on man? Well, you know how he like how like um somebody else's doubt or conflict would just fuel him and like when people would kind of like needle him on something, how other people just sort of stand back and like, alright, you asked for, but how good a motivation is it to just go like somebody tells me I can't, I'm going to do it. Why not? So that's a really good lesson to learn. You know, and I relate so much to like the greatest basketball player ever lived. There's so many similarities to meet now. I'm just getting, but yeah, it was, it was really cool.


But that's I think that's what it's like. It kind of starts because every little kid who won with Michael Jordan and started being like Michael Jordan, he started out being wanted to be like, you know, remember what they said, but like dr j a little bit and then he said some other guys who he was, but I think everybody, you know, and then eventually he sort of took it to another level, you know, I found him. But that's because he found his own way and he listened to the way that he thought that it should be done, not the way that, you know, his idol or whoever was going to do it. But first he started from the one thing until I got a certain point and then yeah took it somewhere else. But you were going to ask the question I'm sorry I interrupted


no


you.


that's okay. Um What?


Yeah


Uh Well I guess we just, I mean we have a few more minutes but we can either talk longer if you want or dude, if you want to um I can give you my name and you can look me up on facebook or something. I don't know. Do you use facebook?


I don't use I use twitter.


So what why do you do uh if you want I can give you my uh my twitter handles. I have to but. Uh huh. Um One I used it's MR spelled out so it's Mr liu L. O U.


Hello? U. M. I. S. T. E. R. Right.


Yeah. And uh that's the twitter account. I used to watch all the movies like new to me the first time I've seen the movie and then in the description there should be a link to my other page and whenever I start getting ready to actually


Do


carol.


something like your book? Yeah.


sort of a placeholder and I'm trying to do some stuff in the meantime that um but I just haven't, every the last few months have just sort of like mentally Stalled me like 70%, so I'm trying to get back to that place, but uh


it's it's weird I almost don't even remember what before and after.


yeah, before for uh you know, I was going to ask to tell me about yourself, I I talked most of this time, I'm sorry, but uh


Oh no that's okay. Um Yeah I mean I think I talked a little bit about a little bit about sort of what I do but yeah so I worked in a uh you know I studied like E. And C. S. And I went and worked for internet startup


Thanks.


and uh I got recruited to work at a hedge fund and then I like that and I got an idea from there to do something for myself and I started my own business like maybe 10, well technically it was like 13 years ago I guess. Um And so um yeah I have like a small software company and financial services and doing it for a long time and uh there's more to it than that, but that's all I want to sort of say and


What? Fair enough.


yeah, so that's that's what uh but I also like um I'm interested in movies and stuff like that, I have some friends who um are much, at least one of them is much uh you know hugely, he's not he's not entrepreneur anymore, but um anyways, he and another, one of my friends tried to make a movie from a book which maybe you have read because it's a little bit horror, it's uh Karla Griffis, the dwarf. That's right,


don't that doesn't sound familiar, but I can definitely, Was it a book that they read or they read that they wrote or did they like license it or


they, well parliament has won the Nobel prize in Sweden for or


what?


the Pulitzer or something, I don't know before, I don't know if it was for this book or heard his whole work, but this is one of his most famous books, this is the dwarf. Um It takes place in like in medieval Italy and it's about this um these two kingdoms, it's based, it's loosely based upon like whoever was the Prince for dream Leo and our defenses time in Italy. Um And so


What?


there's these battles going on between, you know, this city state and like another city state and the prince has this dwarf who's like his uh friend or something like that. Um and they, so that the tour was basically evil and so he goes around and tries to meet all these different people in the kingdom, influence the prince. Um It's very uh so yeah they optioned the rights to it from the La Griffis family and they actually got Peter english, read the script and signed on to be on their script until he got game of Thrones, game of Thrones having first. And that character is so similar to this character. I don't know if I'll make it anymore, but they also they also got David Gordon Green to sign on to make it. Um So yeah, so they wrote an adaptation from this guy that they went to college with who is right or for like maxim or something like that. So he wrote the first version of it and that's what they used to get, You know um Peter Dinklage and David Gordon Green and then um but just like you know it's like so many movies like things like stall out for like you know what 10 years, whatever. so I don't know or make it and there's all these things because so I went to that meeting for all these things like all this is really interesting. Can I go? So I want to like Sweden when we try to raise money for it from people in Sweden. Um We got invited to go to cans and I met David Gordon Green, I didn't, I never met Peter Dinklage, but it was interesting because they were talking about adopting net and like the it's a really short book, it's like less than 200 pages and it's very like simple um and it's got a lot of like psychological things, but the trick I guess was like the dwarf doesn't, he's always like a force of evil, so he's more of an archetype than he is a character because he doesn't like have an arc. Um So, but because everything is from his point of view, it was like hard to fit into a traditional movie for that, so it's interesting here to hear the different professional people like talk about how you can do this because it was like, it's, you know, it's and sometimes it was sort of like solving like um you know, like the caribbean equation or something like that because it was like, it doesn't fit like a standard solution and so I don't know, it was it was just it was it was it was interesting part of it, so yeah, definitely. I'm not checking your twitter for certain.

Yeah. Uh huh, wow. Uh Uh huh. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Oh, sweet. Right. On man. No, and I'll check out that book and David Gordon? Green's awesome. Um So that would especially like, well I don't want to say especially because it's just different but his early movies were such good like character study dramas and then he made was it Pineapple Express and it was like this is awesome and yeah and then the Halloween that he and Danny Mcbride did was they really was happy with that.


that's the most, Is that the most recent one that came out? I didn't know that he was and I knew the demon for I was, but I didn't know that he was involved with that.


Yeah, he directed it and then they both co wrote it and it's like it's like if they pretty much ignored all the Halloween Sequels, it's like you watch the original and then this one and um like Jamie lee Curtis isn't it


Yeah, I liked it. I think I've seen it more than


stupid?


once. I have to go watch it again that I see that David Gordon Green is in it. But I remember because when, when, when we came out that he wanted to be associated with this movie that that that I helped with for a little bit. And then we went to new york to meet him and we started like, I knew that I had seen at least one thing that he did, but we watched all of his early films and I was watching his films and I'm like, oh, this guy like loves Terrence Malick because you could just see all the films seem like they're like, you know, uh like ensemble pieces that are character studies and they're kind of like dreamy, like poetic, uh don't have like a real hard core narrative where you have like strong clear motivations and everything about what's happening to figure out a lot of stuff out. So I thought was interesting then yeah when I saw it lightly but he did that like I think it's called Snowbirds or something like that like that back in sales then. Yeah. Um Snowing, Snowing and Jill or something. I remember what it's called.


Yeah. Something like that.


Yeah. I thought the same thing with Pineapple Express is I'm like wow this is really different for decor dream but it was pretty great movie. Yeah. Well I don't want to take up too much of the time but I really enjoyed talking to you all right. Yeah, I'm going to check out your twitter and I hope that you you know, I'm really excited for you. I mean really? I don't know if I've ever met someone who is just Ever just stopped what they were doing, a written a 600 page book. So that's that's that's insane. But you did it so congratulations

Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Oh yes. Right.


Well if you if you


the people


ever,


that


you know we'd chat on twitter or whatever if you're ever interested, I'm happy to send you a few chapters. If you'd like to check it out or give me feedback or just flip through and go meet and throw it away. Like if you ever want to do that, let me know with no pressure. So


Sure. Yeah. I would like to do that actually exactly when if I do it right now, but I would like to do that. So


Absolutely.


I'm gonna I'm gonna look you up nice scraping lulu. Uh huh.


You too josh. All


Have a great night.


Yeah. You too, man. Take care.


Thanks


Yeah.


Right. Mhm.


Hello? Hello?


How are you?


Uh huh. Pretty good. How about yourself?


Won't I'm calling pennsylvania.


I'm in uh California


Okay so it's really early in the morning of the


Yeah, it's that little little dark outside,


Yeah I'm sitting outside, it's nine It's 9 a.m. here so um


Angry. Mhm.


yeah I'm getting a little chillier weather too so it's uh no snow yet but getting chilly here so


Mhm. It's almost november, It's crazy. Huh?


Yeah. Where in California are you?


I live in uh basically Los Angeles suddenly uh it's called a covert city. It's almost almost within Los Angeles, that's where Sony Sony Sony pictures is,


culver


It's like, I don't know.


city? Yeah


on the on the west side, so about maybe 66 or about six miles from the ocean


like Price is


if.


right, is there? Right and yeah.


Yeah,


Yeah.


me and my and my friends actually went on, went on uh jeopardy. Uh like a like a last year.


Oh you're actually on the show as a contest Mint?


no, as audience audience member. Yeah, I think they I think they did three shows, I think uh it was like I can't stay long and they're like they're like half days, I think they do like they try to do like all the week's show was on the set of the single day, it's kind of cool.


Is there like a lottery system for the tickets or do you just show up or?


I think you can just show up uh that they do have like uh like reserves for like contestants uh families. That's like I think they're they're they're they're they're filming so much that's probably like, you know, they probably won't fill up all the time.


Yeah. The only thing like here on the east coast is like um David David Letterman used to have his show in new york city so you could go


On.


I never did it personally but you can go and wait in line, I don't know if you actually get a ticket or you just go and the first x number of people in line get to go in and watch and um saturday night live is also from new york city and they would have so I've never gotten of any game shows on the east coast that do anything I'd love to go and just you know they have like a traveling prices right? And um in lancaster pennsylvania they have a theater that and actually here on her she I live near Hershey pennsylvania. We actually have the traveling prices right that obviously not drew Carey I don't think that hosted but they do that. So I guess that


difficult.


would be the next best thing I guess so so


Actually uh I grew up in Ohio um and they had I don't want to columbus had they did have jeopardy come through like the where you can like that thing where you can uh to take a test to see it like that like traveling thing, we can go and like take a written test or whatever, see if you can qualify to be a show what the questions were hard, they were so hard.


Did you try it


Yeah, I mean, you know, me and my friends tried it, it was like a lot of people to, it was like there, they came and I forget what place to rent it out or they want this, but I was like Yeah.


Yeah I don't that's I uh I am not I can't like if I read something today I can't remember it tomorrow. Somebody you know you got to have a mind it's just unbelievable to some of those contestants on there have been just Yeah.


Well I know they they have like A bit of a cheat sheet. Like in terms of topics I think, where they're like we can cover these things so they're not like completely like oblivious. And I think, well I think that's what happened with the one the one guy that really did well it can't with a really good system to try to like learn as much as possible. Like him and his wife both teamed up or something like something like that reading it was like, you know, they they give you like a little bit of an idea where they're going and some people are just like really, really good at. I like, you know, like memorizing things are trying to come in, we'll come in with systems or memory tricks to try to like get there. I believe


I wish my line was like that, but it's but it's so what took you from? Ohio to California?


I want them to like you know the code. So that was pretty cool and my roommate moved with was interested in doing acting and I just was like like just to change change is seen growing up like not being by the ocean. So it's just really, it's really cool. It's like you know, I feel like living in L. A. Despite being super. So it's like everyone like all around the world travels there so it's like you can almost


Well


live there and then that travel and meet people from all over the all over the world. So it's kind of cool. All


I was I've been to California twice but not real, not real recently. I went in my Early, excuse me, early 20s twice. I had a friend that did a semester in san Francisco and then I met


It's


up with her and we went south into san Diego and and another time I went to the Rose Bowl, went to like the Rose Parade at all. There was a local high school band that was going and there was just a bunch of families that got together. So we went to the Rose Bowl, there was parade and I think we did Disney Land. Disney world. Yeah, I get Disney Disney thing and stuff like that. But I haven't been there. Haven't been there since my might get back. I loved had going north of san Francisco to Mendocino if you're familiar with it. And uh that's a little island up there. Um Okay, I'm drawing a blank but yeah.

Oh. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah.


I'm not sure. But I did like I did like san Francisco a lot actually. I I visited once before I moved out and I visited like all the west coast cities I visited like Portland and Seattle and san Francisco and L. A. If I don't move myself by myself, I probably would have went to san Francisco but it was like that sometimes he's probably more expensive with all the well nowadays with all the uh little kind valley stuff but that's cool. Um I was thinking the price is right. Did you ever uh watch that like this mini documentary about the guy who broke the price is right, Are you familiar with that at all?

Yeah. Mm. Mhm. Uh huh. Oh yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


No, I don't think I saw that. Was it on like a netflix same or something?


It might have been, but it was it was like so fascinating. It was like he came he came on the show, it was like over the years a lot. He was like Price is Right was his favorite things and he's just like he had his own list of like prices and he had been following the show for like years and years and there were times where like the um he he wouldn't, he wouldn't make it on to like, you know, he always keep them short. But he also help people like, you know, help people like, hey, listen that well like, oh, this is this is this. So people, people were actually like being helped by him like, you know the Wind. And finally it was like, it was and there was a right he had been on the show for he had been coming to show for years and years and then they switched over to when they switched over to drew Carey. It was like people, we're like panicked because they did something where like they knew like all the prices and they were just like so panic. But they thought they thought someone was trying to sabotage or feel like these are fans of patent that these people are trying to advertise the show they want to take over because it's like his system was, he had a whole like he was, he was a computer programmer from like from a long time ago. So he just kind of made a little simple where he learned the prices and learn the variations, like down to the exact number because he loves

Right, okay. Yeah. Mm Yeah. Mhm Okay. Uh huh.


I have


the president


to


was like,


I have to search for that and see if I can find that being nursed because there was a game show, there's a story done on it where um that way you say whammy and this like little monster jumps up if then you lose your turn but the guy was able and there's like I think there's nine squares and


That's


like like all


the deal


the


deal or no deal.


no no no


It


no


was.


it's um There's a screen and then you have to like the contestant hits a button and then it stops on like say $500. But then there's this little like red monster and you stop on that I think it's called a whammy and then you lose your turn. But the guy was able to watch the nine The nine blocks um flash. And he was able to come up with a pattern and how they flashed and when the wing and he would come up and they said he had cheated. Which I didn't think that was cheating. He just figured out the system. I didn't think that was cheating. And then I don't know if it's a netflix show or something that um you know I said how this guy cheated. I don't think that's cheating. He just figured out that's like

Mhm Okay. Really? Uh huh. Right. Mhm. Mhm.


I know people


other


underestimate underestimate humans all the time. All the time, do


So


you


you senior,


think?


so your weather stays pretty warm out there where you're


Yeah, basically like it's like, it's, I lived relatively close to the ocean so it stays pretty cool. Like warm and cool. Then it gets hot for like august and it was actually had a couple of weeks ago, like we're still hadn't at night, but like compared to like the west coast where I live uh compression like the valley, which is like only like maybe a half an hour away, Well 30 miles, maybe 30 miles away in traffic, Like you can go like 20° higher almost. Like it'll be like the weather by the city's is cooler than the further further inland inland


You


you get,


know


they're dramatically raises.


Yeah we're about I think you could get the ocean and about 3 to 3.5 hour drive to the you know the east like the Delaware beach or the Maryland. You know Maryland is about 3 3.5 hours for us. So for us to go the beach, it's a little bit of a drive right? I mean the beaches here are okay, the water doesn't get real warm. Maybe Low 70s at the heights in like late August early September The ocean water might get to the 70s but. Uh huh.


I've been to one of the beaches over there, a camera where my, my sister lived in like Dover Delaware for a little while.


Oh yeah that's yeah


No, we visited and went to like cameras, the beach was part of Jersey or what still


probably


state the future that reality.


probably Rehobeth to go from Dover Delaware. You probably go to Rehobeth. Um My nephew went to college in Dover Delaware, what Wesley college is there and then there's a um they didn't have a tissue but there's a big firefly music festival in Dover Delaware as the there's a Nascar speedway there if you remember that they always had, my daughters went three or 4 years. Um I think they actually started, started starting the festival was like friday night to sunday and then it was the thursday to sunday and then it went to Wednesday because it's the crowds were just just I mean they had paul McCartney one year so they you know they're headliners would get they get pretty good headliners there

Mhm. Okay. Uh huh, mm hmm. Mhm, wow. Yeah,


I


so.


think I'm really, most is trying to avoid all the, all the whole world. So


Oh I know.


it's just like, oh, here goes. Like I actually lived in door for a little bit and then she moved to Newark for a little bit. I think she was working in the area. I remember they're they're pretty close. Remember? Remember we were driving up? I was actually playing, I was playing in a band and we're just doing like, like a little small shows up the coast, and we were like, we're on the on the freeway. I literally right, and I see like a whole like city line and I'm like, I don't even know what city that is. I especially like, oh, that's probably probably uh with uh well Wilmington Yeah,


Yeah. Well yeah Wilmington break their long 95. I mean Delaware's not real big, a friend


with you.


of mine's daughter went to University of Delaware and she actually stayed down there is in new work. Um Dover is about 20 to 30 minute drive from new work. Um But yeah, they are friends. Got a place outside in Middletown Delaware um and lived down there for a while and they knew all the back roads to avoid the tolls. You know when you live there and you're driving those roads every day, then we go to the beach just for the to get time in, you know you just stay on the highways and just you know pay the tolls. But yeah, friends of ours lived down there and did everything they could to try. What kind of music did you play?


At the time I was actually in a heavy metal band, uh the keyboards of piano, like I didn't really girl listen to music and I had some friends in high school, they were they were in and I was like, that sounds that sounds cool. I would like I went to a couple of shows like really for keyword player or something else, that was kind of kind of fun, like, you know, I didn't really didn't make any money on the road. There was just kind of like kind of fun just going places and trying to like book, trying to book shows using like the internet and stuff like. Uh we used I think it was like, you know, the early two thousands, so like Myspace was popular than and it was really convenient. You could you could actually go on Myspace and search for shows by zip code. So I would like I would get on and try to like search within a radius of like where we're


I'm


planning on like going uh And sometimes I I find shows like people, people putting on like independent and independent shows and they say like, oh we're having artists and they will have a T. B. A. So sometimes I've met people like, hey we're gonna be traveling through and sometimes you're like, oh yeah, it's awesome complain. It's pretty it's pretty good fun.


Yeah, I had a coworker whose son was in a band. I mean I started in high school I think and It got hard because some of you know we're getting married and you know it wasn't 12 months a year and you know, they were even getting into Europe and I think that maybe even went to Australia, but just the logistics of traveling and taking your equipment, and, and they just because of needing to make a living. And the guys were getting in the late twenties, early thirties, I don't know if they had been following on instagram and I haven't seen anything for a while, so I don't know if they never went back to, I mean, I think they were playing Places with a couple of 1000, but not enough to because I couldn't believe they were gonna fold as a band and you know, you got to make a living, it's, you know,


Yeah, it's tough and it's it's really random. Like you almost can't hear what path you go. Like I have a friend out here that met uh and he's in a band that basically like gets all their money in Mexico. Like they'll they'll do the do stuff for her. She cord make videos and then they'll go like for a month and tour in Mexico, all these big shows and that's where like all the revenue came


So,


from,


Well,


there were like five player enough. Uh


brother played in country and western bands from the age of 16 and then did it throughout his adult life. And, you know, he was in one band, they were sure they were going to make it big, and several of the teachers, or several of the band members were school teachers. So they had the summers off and they could go where my brother, quote, took a leave of absence to go with this band. Well, then in the fall, he went to go back to the job, his job. And they said, now you left this job to take another job? No, no, I did. You know, and he lost a really, really good job. You


know, he


now,


wanted to take a chance with the band and just, you know, it's hard, you know, they lived on a bus and it's it's


I feel like it's like a touch of choice because you're going to have a possible uh re uh threats either way, like if he didn't go and just kept this great job later on, he'd be thinking like, oh, I'm looking at looking happened,


Well, you know,


thanks


he's 68 and he's still


big.


he plays drums, he's 68, and he just talked to him two weekends ago, and he he was supposed to have a gig and they ended up canceling it. But I don't know it just gets in your blood and you know for do do little local things that make $200 in an evening. You know it's not bad and he loves it. I mean that's the thing it's just It's but at 68 it's pretty hard in your body you know being out late at night and setting up drums and tearing down drums and you know, things like that. But that could be a tough life, tough life. Yeah. Yeah.


I would Mhm


Have you ever been to pennsylvania?


uh Yeah, I have a nephew, uh and Pittsburgh, he's gonna be like, oh man. Uh yes, I'm not sure how old he is. Let's see, my my older brother is uh let's see, how am I? My brother's brother is is uh 40 41, he just turned 41 this year, and he had he had his son and he was 19, So that means he's gonna be turning uh 2021 probably soon, and basically, my brother went to, went to college in Pittsburgh, uh went to the R r r just just to the Pittsburgh, uh


Oh he didn't go to pit.


he went to the Artistic Pittsburgh, and then um yeah, and then I've been the pencil, I remember I played a show somewhere in the middle, in the middle of pennsylvania, I can't remember where it was anymore uh back when we were just kind of like traveling around the region, and then I'm I've been I've been to philadelphia, like once when um I went to visit my sister, her her boyfriend at the time, uh took me and my uh my sister about eight years older than me, so I was, I was young, like just just graduated high school, and so my sister's boyfriend, they just go to fill it with just a philadelphia to see what it's like myself. Mhm


philadelphia and Wilmington are only about maybe yeah 2030 minutes apart. Driving wise.


mm cameras, but they're pretty close definitely. And


we yeah we've driven my daughter's friend from Newark Delaware to the airport in philadelphia so I think it's about a half hour so it's not that far.


I guess I did stand Philly one more time, but back when I was in the band, but we got our actually got our van broken into like I got to get to the guitar, stumbling and stuff and so he left. We're gonna, we're actually gonna go up to Maine, which is crazy. We butchered Sean made, it was like, it was going to be so far as we have any other shows in like the new England Area. Uh It would be like, it was a stupid fart here, but it's probably been fun I guess. But it was like, it was like we're going home like hell. But it has been like, Like a 15 hour drivers and like that it was

Yeah. Oh right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah sure. Yeah


means means a hike defending


I forget what city and made it was. I mean we had actually met the guys before that we because we lived with, I live in a small city called Mansfield Ohio, which is like in between columbus and Cleveland. About an hour from each and it's our most famous thing. It's probably a old old prisoner we have there that uh Shawshank. It was


Shawshank redemption yeah.


So it was funny because I was still still pretty, I was pretty young. Like I was like 18 or 19. And I remember like we did a show where we're like, we're like inviting bands because since we're halfway in between columbus and Cleveland a lot of times, like more smaller independent bands like you said, hey come in like a kind of funny show. One of our shows, we had like a banned from maine and then a couple a couple bands from from from California play at the time. I was either anyone from California, so I was thinking they'd be all stereotypical server side of the old man, You're gonna understand what they're saying, but they sound they sound pretty easy to understand the guys from Maine though. Oh my goodness. Like I was like, I had to listen really hard to understand what they're saying,


With


I was like, I


their accent.


was like, I thought that California will be hard to stand with these as to remain. Seems like they're speaking of another link, another link, but really nice. But I was like, I remember being surprised cause I feel like maybe just a lot closer California even though it's like, you know, so far away, like misleadingly, but at the same time zone at least. Yeah.


I just stayed in Mommy M A um ee it south of Toledo little, do you remember that my husband, I did a cross


Group.


country trip for three months out west and we came down like around Lake Superior and lake michigan and we stayed in Mommy, I was just, I'm just looking at it on the map here because I couldn't remember the name of the town and then we came down into south of Cleveland and then down into pennsylvania that way. But


Man, I played I played tennis in high school and we were in the north, we were in the northwest I guess region of Ohio. It's not like uh so we were so whenever with uh for sectionals I guess so like to like our team wasn't that great, we weren't going to like playing like a state championship racing like that but to go through and we played the team in Toledo and Mamby and stuff like that like they're they're part of our seeing sports region when it when it comes to like an advanced.


Yeah, I see it here now. Um


Alright. I yeah I've been to mom, I've been to mommy once just to play tennis just to play tennis.


Um, do you ever, you still play tennis?


Not as much as I used to like when I moved out to here to L. A. I was like really shocked because first of all the tennis courts stay open all year all year round or round, it was just like and I got some great rackets like from just from like thrift shops, like I found rackets were more expensive than the ones I bought, but when I played in high school And I got like $5. So I was actually going playing tennis for awhile and I started I kind of fell off a bit and I joined some like adult rec league does fall weeks. I started like that and it's like a really popular scene in L. A. So like it's like that that's well that's a place what's awhile but it's been it's been a little bit since I played tennis were very well, especially,

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Oh wow. Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Did you ever hear a pickle ball?


I'm not sure.


Pickle ball is played well where I play it on the tennis court but we have portable nets and there's actually two lined pickleball courts on either side of the tennis net. So you're playing on a very abbreviated size court. The racket is, I'm going to say twice the size of a ping pong racket and it's it's solid, it doesn't have strings like a tennis racket and


Yeah, I've never heard of that.


and then the ball, it's like a whiffle ball, there's actually a ball for indoor out and ball for outdoor play. There's two different balls


That's


and I started playing it when I retired like almost two years ago at a like an indoor community rec center in my area. And if you ever get a chance it's especially as a former tennis player because I play with a lot of former tennis players. I mean people think it's like if you go on youtube, you can find videos all the time, but it's fast paced in the sense that like once the service started And you play two


But


on the side, you can't play singles, but you play two on the side, you know, you only score, you only get a point when you serve. Um And then there's a line seven ft back from the net that is called the, I don't know what kind of wonder what they call that line, but a lot of times you just stand up there and then you just hit the ball real fast in the air back and forth, which is called thinking. But if you ever get a chance to play, especially being a former tennis player, I think


you really it's it's I play five or six times a week. Um And we're getting now where I'm not sure we're going to be able to be playing outside because I all the indoor place, well there's a few indoors I think there's a church that has courts are allowing people to play a couple of days a week. But I'm hoping I can play as much as possible until we get snow or really windy conditions. But if you ever get a chance I think you would I think you'd find it because people like

right. All right. Mhm. Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah.


What?


oh it's not a workout but it's it's more than than you think it's you know so yeah I'm supposed to play this afternoon but the weather's it's raining right now so I don't know, get a little bit of sun dry out the courts and so


Yeah, I remember that, I remember that feeling during when I was in school school, during tennis season, like


tennis, was that a spring sport for you?


yes, for our school it was uh it was spring for the boys and fall and fall for the girls. Uh


Yeah,


huh.


I think that might be how our state, how our state does it? Well my


And


my


I was


ball,


like,


go ahead, I'm sorry.


yeah, I want to say like it's funny like it's absolutely the season when the season will start, sometimes there will be snow like it was


think,


like you had