It's


have


tough.


an acre and a majority of, a


What


lot


happened?


of more zone for horses. So some people have worked perfectly.


You


Yeah. Or gold.


like horses?


Uh Oh, I've written when I was young but I haven't, no, I haven't uh I haven't written them, you know, been a very, very long time. But I like animals period. The only thing I don't like about here is all the dirt is like you can have this city. They, I think they charge a lot for water. So a lot of people let their grass go if you go to another city like victor ville. Some of those, a lot of those homes have grass, you know, it's just too much dirt. That's what I don't like. Like if it gets all over your cars, everything, the desert. You know, it's the desert, but it's, it's beautiful though. The mountains and everything. It's very, very nice. No, it's very, very, it is very, very scenic and you know, things like that. Yeah. So it's still still hot in florida right now. Right.


Yeah. It's uh it's still hard. Not very much, but kind of. So


Is it, is it,


how


is


does


the


he expect?


effect of COVID-19 at your place?


How


is the word?


is the effect of COVID-19 at your place?


Uh huh. It's uh uh you


Mhm.


know, everything is shut down but slowly trying to open back up. Uh Some people aren't working, some people haven't uh you know, it's uh it's made it, I don't know people, it seems like people want to get out and


What?


do things more. It's affected things or somebody they're hurting. You know, some businesses are hurting uh, you know, everybody sees it differently or whatever. I just wish we would have, I wish the governor wouldn't have open so sooner. I think we would be at a better point right now. But it seems like it's recovery I guess. Oh,


that's right at my place. Everything is almost back to normal. Kind of. The restaurants are open roads are completely full of traffic right now as much as I can see. And there's no big issues right here at this moment. I hope everything's kind of going uh fine, there's nothing wrong. Let's see what happens. I just hope that not another big pandemic situation comes later at our head. That's what I expect.


I think,


Thank


I


you


think that one thing is going to be, uh, it's gonna be And affected this. I remember like, remember the whole SARS epidemic in was in 2003 in China. And uh, yeah.


Yeah.


And I remember like even from then on until like before Covid hit any time you looked at china, you can see, uh, you can see somebody wearing a mask. I think, I think it's going to be the same thing over here now. I think even, I think you're gonna get used to seeing people where mass. I think that's just something that's just going to happen. You know, that's, I think that's gonna


be kind of a, it's gonna be because something really to get used to, I guess, you know, So, yeah. Uh, I don't know it's just you know things change that's all I can say. Things


We


change. So it has to be the new north


just hope that things have come back to normal, that's all we can do. But


So


what actually what actually think that uh do you think that uh remember that actually was founded in new studies available on prolific? Do you actually believe that corner virus was founded in china? Yeah. You know what?


mean I guess I'm not one for conspiracy theories but I don't know I guess you I think it could have I mean you know things happen because one thing I do know is that every


What?


year the C. D. C. Uh


Well. Yeah.


their job is to try to catch you


There


know


is.


pathogens or you know different things that are inside animals before they jump humans. They try to beat that. And I believe it happens because I remember uh excuse me remember the swine flu And how that happened how they came out of Mexico back. I believe it was like in 2009 and uh I believe I believe it could have happened. I believe it's possible you know? Uh It's just it's just I think it's just I don't think we would have got hit as bad if we have, you know, better leadership, I think, you know, people would take a more proactive stance

Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yes. Right. Yeah.


Mhm. Yes, that is kind of true. Uh I think I just I just think that china may have done this for a reason. China may have done this to destroy our uh what is the economy


economy.


kind of? Yeah, I think this could be happening because uh look at China, they have recovered so fast. They just uh followed into COVID-19, then got out and got themselves out of it. They have not even uh counted that much death at all. Look at the world, China has almost the smallest amount of death for Covid


you're


name. So I think that china may have done this uh intentionally, uh


looking.


if they even don't if they even haven't done this intentionally, still, they had the vaccine for this coronavirus since uh marshall april, I mean, they uh they had the vaccine a long time before. They didn't uh kind of shouted it out, they didn't want us to recover as fast as they did, right? Yeah,


Yeah. Yeah. It's possible if I believe, I can believe that because they've been dealing with it for long, because all it is is SARS that's all it is, is just another form of it. There's mutated, so that's possible. It's very much possible. I mean, and then, you know, the thing is, is that uh is that uh is regardless of what any party, any political leader or whatever, regardless of what they say, they can't stop china's economy, you know what I mean? They cannot stop them from becoming the world power, you know, I mean? It's and and the thing is, is the crazy part is that they're gonna they're


gonna make history because they will be the first country in the history of the world to have to be the world leader twice. You know what I mean? So it's gonna happen, you know what I mean? I just


one


people


of the party. Okay.


you know, people don't wanna do not want to accept it, you know what I mean? But, you know, politicians, Democratic, Republican. They all lie. They all lie. They know, and I'm not saying the conspiracy theories seem like, I mean, they know the truth and they


Have you ever


know there's like this


been


something


on?


they can't stop, but they all campaign and run on, oh, we're going to keep us being number one. It's a must we keep being number one. It doesn't it doesn't I don't think it makes any sense. It's just like during the election um trump lied about about about the jobs, like outsourcing jobs and things like that. And the things is is that he's a businessman, all businessmen, investors and things like that. They know about economic cycles


I


and they know


don't know.


about jobs dying off. Those type of jobs are not around anymore. A


mm


lot of those jobs are going overseas. They're not, our economy has moved past those type of manufacturing jobs


What?


as sad as it is to say. So I don't see how you can bring back something that's not really affordable anymore, you know? Yeah, so, you know,


what I actually do think that uh is trump actually doing good for our society. I kind of don't think so. Uh look at him, he's doing whatever he's doing actually, all all of it is actually for his own steak I think uh he's not very much doing for the society and of course not for the republicans. How would you ever be a republican party? That is completely out of luck? I don't know, whatever it is. Uh


but I'm concerned for the country.


I don't understand. I don't know how we come back from


And


this.


they?


I don't


Re staying over there?


I'm more concerned. That's that's the thing that really confuses me. I know that's what I don't, I don't know man. It's just, it would be interesting to see if we can, it's been so many wounds opened up, so much negativity blown around. I don't, I don't see how it would be nice, but


All


I don't see how we, we are supposed to come back from this, you know, I mean, it would be interesting to see, but uh, I don't know, I really don't know man. It's, that's what I'm more concerned about. Like you can be upset at things he does. I'm not really upset at things he does in a sense because, and the reason being is that I'm more concerned with the people who allow him to do what he does or who don't have a problem with it. That's, that's to me that's the bigger issue. The bigger issue is, um, the bigger issue is, um,

right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh.


That's really


you know


what you


what


want.


people are allowed to go on, you know what I mean? That's that's that's more so than him because people can do what they want to do. I mean, a person can run around and


the


in the city and killed


for


profit


people


model.


a day and if the police do nothing about it, what are people gonna say, they're going to be on the police, you need to find out who's doing this or you need to arrest this man. That's that's my whole way of seeing it, you know? So


I don't know.


um so you know that so that's my that's my issue with that, just isn't this a double standard? That's the whole thing is a double


Okay. I think we are having a speech like uh unpleasant talking uh we're kind of having sad moods. Let's forget this. Okay, let's just change the topic and something else. What do you say? Yeah.


Yeah, that's good, that's fine with me, That's fine.


So uh how long have you been in prolific


And and and how long have I been in what? Mhm.


and the prolific academics?


Oh I'm not I'm not in politics, have long been into it. Uh You know, I kind of grew up around in the sense that I guess, you know and we had some uh some uh aunts basically, that was how you say uh she was in the civil rights and things like that in the real estate, learn a lot of


Happy


things from her,


what?


she was one of my great aunt, my father's grandfather's sister. Yes. Have you uh on another note, have you ever visited


Different. What?


Malaysia?


Uh Yes. I visited mothership twice in my life. Once for business purpose and another one for leisure. I made my grandparents house actually. No they were dead. But I went there I went to the to my grandparents house and to be honest I didn't feel like I belong there, belong here actually.


No


This


I


is my life.


mean how is the country, is it nice


No. Ah Yeah. Nice. Uh having great views, places to visit. It's


Beautiful


no it's


home,


not bad. Yeah.


Beautiful, beautiful. I know probably. Is it tropical innocence?


Could be it kind of kind of seems like tropical but not too much actually. Uh


Right not too much. Yeah it seems like a nice country. I'd like to visit Malaysia, that's a place I'd like to go. I had a this is true because you made me think about I had an ex that was from Thailand and she uh she was she's been here since she was two because she still


I'm not trying.


little accent. She was the only one, she had an older sister, a younger sister, younger brother. She was the only one with an accent. Yeah.


So why did you lift her? Why did you lift her? Uh


She was just too much, she was a handful, she was too much. She, I don't know, she she could be, she was a cool, a nice woman I should say, but although she has some insecurity, she was kind of possessive. She was a good girl in a sense. Yeah, she was a good guy, but you know


All


some people


women all


someone


women


manipulated drinking.


women's opposite. They always just didn't do this. This is their job actually.


Mhm. Yeah, some women like playing the victim, she was that type, She wanted to play the victim on certain things, but yeah, she was she was she was cool. I've actually dated uh tie, a girl from Laos and I think one or two from the Philippines, we've had a lot of different girlfriends from different countries


So


there.


how many did you date it in your whole life? Yeah.


man. I don't know, I don't know, I was young. I haven't dated anybody for a while honestly. Now been kind of busy with business and things like that because I have some when I get done with the real estate, well I have some other businesses I'm gonna start. Uh So I really, the real estate is more so for a passive income, that's really what it's for, but I will always invest in real estate but like I said because of how the market is right now, I'm just moving money into the stocks right now until things turn around. It's I think I've seen the signs of it slowing down because I've been getting notifications of prices dropping on some of the properties in my area Usually for a while, you know, houses were selling about 10 days on average.

Mhm. Okay. All right. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Okay.


Is


this good for you or bad for you? The price drop?


it's good because see the thing is, is that um what a lot of people fail to realize is like, okay, if we have a recession, if things go bad, you look at 2000 and 8, 2000 and seven around that time, the media would say, oh, business bad, oh, real estate is bad, but they don't realize that that is the best time for businesses and the best time for real estate. What I'm saying, that's when the lowest prices, um a lot of businesses that are around today, a lot of blue chip companies, real real big companies, they began in uh and uh how should you say during the recession, the great recession, the great, I mean, the depression, They began in like the late 30s, you know what I mean? So, yeah, so the history tells us that recessions and depressions and things like that are better economic opportunities, but the mass people, the public, they don't notice the media doesn't teach this, you know what I mean? So people don't know and they stay out of the real estate market, you know? So yeah, or stay out and stay out of this and stay out of that. So, you know, so uh you know, it's just is what it is, you know? But uh yeah, I mean it's good. Yeah, prices dropped because like I said, uh I lost the house. I tried to buy a loss because uh uh the thing was uh Somebody stepped in and paid $30,000 more than what I had agreed upon. I had the health of my real estate, The contract two times. So that's how I end up losing it. And of course of her correcting the contract, somebody that said, Hey, instead of I'll give you 255,000, I had I had a contract for 225,000. So like I said, it was overheating. This was a house that was 975 sq ft. two bedrooms. Too bad. Yeah. So like

Uh Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Oh


so


a little small house. Yeah.


I think you will be employed as soon. What do you think about that?


Mhm. Mm. This is mhm. Yeah. Oh yes. What's the matter with you? So given the, but now is so excited mentioned the way it looks. I'll ask my doctors to see if general. Yeah. I think almost a second and stuff. Sheryl this accident. This one. Yeah. It's the hospital. What's the change in the company's let's start so details but it's worse. Okay. Well damn it. Okay. Everything. Yeah. What is it? What? How dare you after attachment to get. Yeah. Crickets. Sure you let yourself. Yes. Mhm. What? Okay. Funny people suck. A lot of reservations. Nothing. They couldn't sit on his predictions stand up because I'm in love with. This is a really special this it's simple right now. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Oh well that came from so okay. Schools okay. Your trip on the street perhaps. True. A little better those. Yes. You know someone's mother you shift at the hospital. Mhm. Yes. So one day Chase Love trip bar incensed. It's off. Yeah.


Right.


All right. Yeah. Hello?


Hi.


How's it going?


Not bad. How are you?


Yes, pretty good. Just, you know, staying in because you can't go nowhere.


Yeah, same here.


Where are you at?


I'm in Arizona. How about you?


North Carolina.


Nice. I spent a summer there um


Mhm.


eight years ago.


Nice. Do you remember what part?


I was in Asheville. So what's


I'm


the


in


next


sharp.


one


Yes, I'm in charlotte,


so?


but I have family in Arizona. Mhm, yep.


Where in wana?


There they're in Scottsdale, but there's also a family ranch in Patagonia.


Okay. Yeah. Nice. I know where all both of those places are.


Fun.


Yeah. How long have you been doing prolific stuff?


Okay. About as long as quarantine like


Not too long.


I knew about it, but it's an easy way to make some extra stuff during what's normally downtime. Like


that


usually


can work.


for the, usually for the surveys, I kind of do them after I get back from a run or something when I'm kind of cooling down anyway. That's how this one like. Yeah, I'll do a conversation for $15. Mhm.


Yeah. Cool. Yeah, I've been doing you, let's see, maybe half a year, six months. Yeah.


that's a long time.


Yeah. But I never I never get to do as many services as I want to, so it hasn't been really too often, but ever since quarantine it's like okay, I'll hop on my phone and do a survey.


Oh


Everyone stop.


yeah, I've gotten so much done during quarantine on prolific. I can't even believe it. So are you having the work from home or are you able to go out and go to work? Like what's that situation for you over there?


Yeah. So um I do I'm able to work from home, I started working from home like early March, like they were just like okay, things are going bad, go home or from home. And then since then, yeah, it's been like that,


Nice. What do you do?


I do marketing communications for the university and yeah, by you.


Um I have had to go into work every day. It was really nice during the heavy shut down because the roads were empty Now people are trickling back onto the roads and it's not in any type of like public forward facing position. So I wasn't really mad about having to go in.


Oh that's good. Yeah. Nice. So


it's not something where you like interact with people all the time?


No, I'm an engineer for pharmaceutical manufacturer. Yeah.


cool,


So it's like a manufacturing site and I do a lot of behind the scenes paperwork for how we manufacture the dress. So


How long have you


pretty


been that?


about a year and a half. And before that I worked as a chemist in pharmaceuticals for about seven years. Yeah.


you go to you and B or Duke or?


I went to college of charleston. Yes.


Did you did you like it?


It is the best place ever. They just don't have any of my career there, so. Mhm.


Okay


Yes. And also there's not, I feel like there's not a lot of scientists that come out of the college of charleston. It's a big business and communications school. Like my graduating class for the whole year was like 3000 or something. My major had 14 people. It's a very small part of the school.


If I don't what made you want to become a normal?


Okay. I originally wanted to do it because I wanted to go to dental school and it just kind of covered all the prerequisites. And by the time dental school rolled around on top of having complex residency issues which impacts your acceptance because like every state school it's like there's 100 spots for in state students. Three spots for our to stay. Um I wasn't sure if I wanted to do it because I kind of lack empathy and to be in that type of thing, You need to have empathy and patient relationships and things. It was actually my mother that pointed that out to me after I decided not to go. She was like, I never thought with that because you don't have empathy for other people and my thanks mom. Thank you. Yeah, this with the words you go to school.

Oh wow. Oh okay. Yeah sure. Oh man okay,


I went to school at the university of Arizona and then I went to um my major was in journalism, so I worked in journalism for a little while.


Okay. Are you originally from Arizona and like went to school there lived there?


now I was born in California and then we'll move when I was eight to phoenix okay, and then when I was going to, when I was picking colleges I was like I'll go to you for sure, that's fine. Yeah.


fun. I am from rural, a very small town in Iowa. Yeah. So I kind of hopped all over the place. Yeah.


Do you ever go back there, do you have family there still?


Most of my family lives there. My parents live in Alabama now so I don't go back to Iowa a whole lot, but I still have to sometimes I'm still trying to get everyone off of the going back during christmas thing because why would you want to go to Iowa in december? It's cold and miserable. Um But so I do go back sometimes. Yeah. Not really my favorite thing. Yeah.


But you


So


mentioned that you had you knew somebody from Scottsdale who who is, who is in Scottsdale right now?


Yeah I have family that lives in Scottsdale. Yeah.


that's a much better place than than the christmas I think.


Oh yeah like anywhere else. I'm trying to get destination holidays. A few years ago when I first started making inroads on this, it was thanksgiving but we rented a beach house in florida for a week for


whoa


just like our family and it was like this eight bedroom beach house for my parents, me and my brother and his girlfriend and it was the best thing ever and


that's


so


often


I'm trying to do, get them to do more things like that or I told them if they bought me a townhouse here with three bedrooms, I could just host the holidays here where it's warm because they're in Alabama and no one wants to go to Alabama and my brother is in Iowa and I basically only, what if my parents find my plane ticket like I'm 30 years old and I still will not go to Iowa on my own dime.


Yeah well that's that's probably the smart choice,


Uh how how I told my parents and while they're okay with that, like I'm already giving you the PTO for it. So pt


it's not


Pcs and limited resource. If you're thinking about PTO for Iowa, you're paying for my flight and probably my hotel.


that's funny, wow. Draw


Yeah. I mean, I don't know if that's cool but it's, it's what it is. Do you have siblings


yeah I have a little brother and little sister,


dice?


yeah I'm the oldest


Nice. I'm the baby of the family and of the extended family because my mom's a baby. So right


that's good,


there's that. I


you have a big family?


mean, um, I mean, not really on my dad's side, I have two cousins and on my mom's side I have, yeah, 12, but most of them have Children now. So I'm not the baby on that side anymore, but I don't count their Children, so, wow. Okay. Mhm.


I've got a lot of aunts, uncles, you know and it's hard to keep count, I don't really know, my dad's got a big family inside that has all the brothers and sisters. So a lot of them are California,


Good. No,


so it's nice to go over there and then like


but


see everybody, it's like a big family reunion. Yeah. Yeah.


that's nice. Our family is pretty small and we have actively like trimmed the family tree over the last five years, I would say. So not a big family here. Yeah.


Yeah.


Mm.


Yeah. So how have you been coping with the whole social distancing and quarantining and?


It's been the most amazing thing ever. Like I just sleep and cook and go to work and exercise. I don't have to deal with drama and I've been drinking a lot less and I'm not staying out all night. It has been wonderful. I know, I know that's like the opposite of how most people have seen it. But for me it was like basically


What?


a forced rehab. So, so I have been utilizing the time to myself.


hey, that's all right. That's fine. That's good.


How about you? Have you been making some banana bread, doing some quarantine? Bacon?


Yeah. You know, not really baking. Just really a lot of cooking other things. Um Yeah, like


I made a nice chicken parmesan not too long ago


No.


I made a, I made a bacon wrapped pork tenderloin, which was good. Uh


fine. Mhm.


I made some carbon era, but that's pretty easy. I mean, it's just eggs and butter.


It's just doing the eggs the right way.


Yeah. Right. Yeah. You don't want it to cook while it's in there, so, yeah.


Nice.


Yeah. Yeah.


I realized that Uber eats was a lot more of my life than I ever wanted it to be when quarantine happened because I actually started paying attention to how much I spent on it and I'm like holy shit, I spend like four months worth of groceries on Uber eats per month. Uh huh.


Yeah. Seriously?


That needs to stop, I actually stopped that, deleted it because I'm like this is insane one day. So they gave me this like free 30 day trial of the Uber eats past thing where if you spend $15 it's free delivery, even though everything else is more expensive. I got a burger and fries from shake Shack and it


was $27 before tip. I'm like how the f. Is that that this is this is a scam and I am deleting you from my phone $2027 for shake Shack.


Yeah. That's nuts.


And I wasn't even hung over. If I had been hung over, it would have been different. Which


That's


I


what?


think is why it's always skated through on my phone because it told the need. Mhm. But


Yeah. No,


it's insane.


that's great self control. You should, you should applaud yourself.


Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it's self control because I haven't been in a situation where I have the potential to over drink around people. The real test will be when the world opens up again. Oh.


Yeah. How how is that going for north Carolina? I know here in Arizona more like slowly opening up but really not like the governor says, oh yeah, we're going to do it in phases. But really it's it's just whatever goes like some restaurants are like whatever, we're just gonna be open and come inside. Some others like some stores are like, well we're going to stay closed but it's like a free for all right now.

Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


So we are currently in phase one of reopening which is basically still recommended to stay at home except now, instead of just like grocery stores and stuff being open, all retail stores can open as long as they have increased like sanitation procedures and I think it's 25% like they can only operate at 25% of their former capacity as far as


my


patrons. Um restaurants are still take out, only bars can sell like cocktail to go kits. So like I think they can even sell you the liquor, it just has to be separate from the mixed part of the drink in a sealed container, which to me makes no sense. But it's still all these antiquated bible belt alcohol laws um like theaters are so closed. Um parts opened up, but like volleyball courts are closed. Basketball courts are closed, You can't reserve any of the courts from the county tennis courts are open. Um They're still planning on phase two opening May 22nd, which will be when salons can open and restaurants, dining rooms can open and that stuff can open but I reduced capacity. Um So I kind of hope it does happen because my birthday


What?


is the 23rd and I would like to go get a drink somewhere like just in the middle of the day or something, but that being said, I also don't really have the impetuous to go to a bar that only going to have 20 people max in it and where a mask, like the point of a bar is drinking, which a mask inhibits that. And also like going between groups of people. So like I understand why a face reopening so all those businesses can start to make money, but I don't see why you would want to be there. So


It's not really a scene that promotes exactly what you want. The whole social socializing and the unbinding of drinks. Uh


I'm fine not going out again until it's full socialization, which is probably going to be like in april of 2021 if we're going to be on this because they were going to have the second wave and so like shit is not going to get normal. Excuse my language, I get animated, should


No, you're fine.


not get normal until like april at the earliest and


hopefully.


I will also never be used to wearing masks. Mhm.


And hopefully by then there'll be a vaccine or something and then then things will maybe normal. Yeah.


I mean, I think there's three big things that they're going to be required for things to get back to normal and that's a vaccine


Mhm.


which they keep saying is just around the corner. But


Now.


as a scientist, I can tell you the earliest we're going to have a commercially available vaccine and that if it works, is next summer because look how long it took to make the first flu vaccine. They're still not an HIV vaccine. They're just getting hepatitis vaccines. Like

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Right.


Do


it's


you want?


not something you can just magically make happen. Um And then also the second thing is a treatment that's effective. That's not hydroxychloroquine because that doesn't work. Um but Remdesivir from Gilead is coming out of its first clinical trials and it has shown like amazing statistics. So I think there's a very strong chance that that will be valid treatment you and that could be commercial scale by the fall. So that will help out I think because once it's approved it will be easy for them to scale up because also they'll probably let others sterile injectable sites manufacture it under certain contracts where they can't steal it, but they can manufacture it to make supply for it. Uh So I think that will start to be in place by the fall. And like the remdesivir studies, like once they get the first injection of it, the virus has been removed from their body within like 48 hours, like

Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Oh yeah, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


Whoa.


that's that's like a real cure. Um So that'll be interesting. And then like I said, vaccine probably in the spring, but then also just the


What?


amount of both testing and antibody testing needs to be at a much much higher level. Like the testing rate nationally right now is like 30,000 per million residents. It needs to it needs to be like 950,000 per million residents to actually have an accurate assessment of what this virus is doing. So kind of those three things I think or what it's gonna take. Mhm.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Right. Yeah.


Yeah. That makes sense.


So that's my personal thing.


Right. Well, it sounds well educated for sure.


Uh huh. And people need to wear masks in public and not take guns into legislatures.


Oh man. It's so crazy right now. It's


And


just,


like one of the things I think it's funny is so there's like the reopened north Carolina group or whatever that's been processing the last few weeks and two days before the big reopened Mecklenburg County on charlotte and Mecklenburg County, the person leading it was hospitalized with Covid and I'm just like can't make this up,


yeah. Can you


you


not


should


see?


know, you should know better. Mhm It's just insane to me and like um my mom works in healthcare so I get some sides of that and like some of the things people just saying you were insane, but here is common sense or all these people protesting Costco because they're requiring you to wear a mask, but they're the same ones who are like bakery can decline cakes for whoever they want but they can't tell me to wear a mask. It's all or nothing for me, it's all

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah.


No.


or nothing like I'm fine with bakery selling people, whatever. But if the store wants me to wear a mask in it, I have to do what the soul wants because that's the president we've established and I'm okay with that.


Yeah. Enough of your double standards. Yeah.


Or like all the church stuff because I live like two miles away from the billy Graham library. So like the super evangelical billy Graham bullshit. So like charlotte is center of all that evangelical craziness


Well,


and


yeah. I was,


they're just


he died.


good. Like that's that's like my national holiday. Yeah,


Yeah. But the


because


summer.


they're just, they're just insane. And I think it's lets him it's one of his kids, his kids are insane. It's


I hear


just


you.


crazy the things they say and do. And there is one, I don't remember where he was from, but he was like telling his congregation, pay me $1000 now, saying a prayer to God to protect you from the covid. I'm like, that's not how it works.


Was


So


that


what works?


with that in north Carolina?


Right. I think it was, it was either north Carolina and Georgia. So you know what I'm talking about, It


I


was probably north Carolina or Georgia. Also, I'm wearing a hat because I need my covid haircut.


No, my


Usually


hair is crazy.


I usually get a heritage every three weeks. It has been 12 weeks.


Oh no. Yeah, I feel


like for everything else, I'm like, I'm not going in public again until everything's like fully opened and good. But I was defaming my salon manager the other day and was like, what do I gotta do to be on the top of that list because my hair is so long and about to name my wig. I need to get in there a sap. Mhm.


So um my partner was looking at like places to get a haircut and like our local great clips had a waiting list of like two hours because salons and barbershops opened last week. So it's a mad dash everybody's trying to get a haircut and like all the wait times are like 200 minutes and like over. It's crazy.


growth already told my boss that when the salons open, I'm probably leaving in the middle of the day to go get my haircut and coming back and not putting in PTO for it because I'm salaried.


Why not? Yeah.


And also usually they feed me wine and I will probably still drink wine if they offer it, even if


Now,


I have to go back to work,


wow, I want


to go here.


feel like they're probably not going to offer it because of everything going on, but we're going to find out.


Yeah. That's cool. That's a really nice salon.


I mean I pay for it at the end, but


It's okay.


but yeah, no, it's nice one time they got me wasted waiting because the person before we were going over and the girl filled me like three wine glasses this full.


That's awesome.


Yeah, they got they got they got me pretty good that day. Fun stuff. Uh


Yeah. Yeah.


Uh huh.


Oh, it's 25 minutes. Um


Yeah, it's been 25 minutes.


Yeah. You want to call it a day? Uh


he's nice chatting with you. We never even exchange names. My name is Kyle from


My name?


charlotte. It was nice to interact with you, draft happy quarantine. Yeah.


Happy quarantine. Take care out there.


Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. What? Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm Oh. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Thank you. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Oh yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Everly hi, give me one second to get the kids wrangled here. Hey,


or


I'm starting my studies, so go with sister. What we do? Okay. We didn't with Maverick release. Okay. Abby, I'm starting my study now. Okay. Okay, go listen to sister. Mhm. I apologize.


it's all good. You got to,


Two girls and the oldest is supposed to be watching the youngest. There


so that


are


was


11 and four and of course, you know the second that the video starts, they need something.


Yeah, that checks out.


Yeah. So my name is jen


Hi Jan I'm adam


Adam, nice to meet you. What part


to meet


of


in


the world are you from?


um originally from the West Coast, but I mean I'm in the Chicago area now. What about you?


I'm in northern Kentucky, right across the river from Cincinnati. Ohio. And I actually, I grew up in this area so I've been around um around this area pretty much my whole life. So yeah. What, what do you do for a living?


Um I work in a hospital, obviously, obviously not today, but


right, okay. And what do you do?


um I am an attorney. I I don't I'm not I'm not a clinical person. I'm in the administrative staff.


Gotcha. Okay, so this is your off day? Huh.


Well, I don't I don't have to be in the office every day. So yeah, this is this is a 30 minute break and then I'll be back into back into sorting out uh all sorts of things.


I am sure your job is extremely crazy right now.


Uh you know, it's it's chilled out a little bit, but it's it's been a six month period, let's put it that way.


Yeah, I mean I can't imagine honestly dealing with all


You


the


know, we kind of had to tear down a lot of things and rebuild everything on the fly. As far as sorting out what we were going to do and allow people to do hospitals. Maybe we would have 5% of staff working from home. There's a in this industry and I'm relatively new in the hospital world too. I've only been in it for about a year. Um There is a, there's a real push back against the idea of working remote telecommuting in general and and certainly there is a strong push back into anything suggesting people don't come in. Um What I didn't think about prior to this is like most of the people that are in like the leaders and like the, the VPs, the people that run it, they all used to be doctors or nurses, like practicing. Like the majority of those folks all roll up through there. So, and that level of cheese mo of like we run in and we help and we are on site and in the building it that comes from the top down, So that's, that's kind of the first thought is like, oh, well, pandemic. Well, of course, we're all going to be there and we're, everybody is going to be on site to which I'm like, I'm doing policies guys, like,

yeah. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm Mhm mm. Oh right. Right. Uh huh. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,


I


like, I can look


don't


at this stuff.


need to be there. Oh.


I don't think my first thought is like, well, if the, if the headline in the news is like non essential hospital staff gets sick with coronavirus, like, that's not a work for anybody like


No


that,


it's really


That's


not.


an avoidable error. But


goodness


there's


Well


been kind of an adjustment I think, in in accepting and kind of understanding that maybe not everybody needs to be there. So, you know, that's a it's a learning process for everybody. I think


this entire


and I


country


think


is changing,


I think everything really is right now, you know


no


doubt,


so much that's unknown, it's just everybody's kind of in learning uncharted waters at this point. Um So


it's it's wild at some point. We'll get to the other side of this and we'll all look back and just be like, what in the world did we just get through?


it's funny to me because I remember back in March like when when things started closing and the kids started doing school from home and I remember thinking because my husband and I had a trip planned for april that we had to cancel and I remember thinking well hopefully we can we can reschedule it for june by then, this should all be over, right and here we are in august


It's


and I'm like this is going anywhere anyway.


we did the same thing. We were going to go to Jekyll Island and had to cancel that at this point. We now have like we have a cabin that we were going to at least just like drive up and get out of the city and go up to the lake. But I'm not even sure we're going to be able to do that. It's for the end of next month and Chicago is now rolling out like quarantine. If you leave the state to go to other states that are having issues, you have to self quarantine for two weeks. So well suit. I'm not super optimistic about being able to go, but

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Mhm. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah. But I mean everyone needs a break right now, I think more than ever it's like you're just


you know


of looking at the same walls and


forward


for me


real.


it


So, so how are, how are things around there? You like you like Covington or like,


I'm very close to coming down a little further south. Are you so you familiar with the area? Little


I'm vaguely familiar. I lived in, I lived in Nashville for a while and, and I did some work around around since they, it was, it was never really northern Kentucky, that, that part of it, but I've definitely been in and out of the airport, I've a genius.


I don't know.


I went to Jungle jim's for the song, like I can take off some of the basic boxes


Yeah jungle gyms is definitely a sight to see.


no doubt.


I'm about 15 minutes from the airport so fairly really close um in like Florence area. So um yeah and I think you asked me another question. I apologize. I don't, I think I got side


how are, how are things around there


how are things


holding


here?


up?


We um we also, I believe the governor is not mandating a quarantine but recommending a quarantine for people who travel to hotspots. Uh and you know, businesses have have been reopening for the last probably two months. Um nothing is really starting to close down per se again. Um you know, but there have been some changes with the restaurant recently had to go down to 25% capacity um you know, mask are mandatory here. Um so you know, and the kids school is supposed to start originally was supposed to start next week. Well they have now pushed that back to the end of august and they've given us the parents different options. You know, you can choose to have your child do. Nt I nontraditional instruction um like 100% of the time this year. Or you can choose to have them go back to school and a hybrid model, so half the week they would be there at the building with reduced capacity um and they have to wear mask and then the other half of the week they would be at home doing NT I so we still,


Well


even though we've kind of made our selection, don't really know a lot of details about what that looks like or what day of the week the kids will be in the building or home. And so I'm very fortunate that I work part time and I have the option to work from home as much as I want. Um so I can be really flexible with that schedule, you know, in conjunction with whatever the schools decide, but the parents who work full time, you know, in a traditional 9 to 5 job, I really none of them know how they're going to do it at this point. Um


no,


And I mean I I know the hopefully the employers are trying to be understanding but also from a business side, how do you really do that and run your business? And I feel bad for him, I mean it's really, I don't know how a lot of people are going to do it.


it's, it's really tough and it really pushes forward, you know, a lot of the inequalities because for people, the people that are hardest hit are the folks that have to be in those jobs and it's tough. My, my wife is in the same position as you

Uh huh. Oh yeah, yep. Mhm. Mhm. Really prestigious


form.


and that she can work from home pretty much whenever. I don't think, I don't think her job is reopening at least until january and if, if ever like, but, but even if like we've, we've got our daughter turns to next week, so we've got


No. Yeah.


whirlwind of a child and when it was both of us full time from home trying to work and the conference calls were going nonstop. Yeah, trying to figure out, you know what, it was real crisis mode and trying to take care of her while also like trying


Working,


to be on call 12 hours a day, seven days a week. It was insane. It was truly nuts. And


I


we


mean


had, we finally had to make a decision around daycare and we've, we had to, we've, we've got her back in day care now


do you?


and you know, and to be honest, partially some of that decision was, we want to make sure this decor and some clothes but they're they're nowhere near the numbers of kids that they had previously but they're back and and functional. Which is a good thing but it's we had we had the luxury to be able to do that. Not not everybody even has that option.


I know and I just makes me feel so one thing that I think that pandemic really has done for me is just make me realize really how fortunate you know I am and that the fact that I have that option and the fact that my husband has not lost his job, he's not been affected at all. I mean he still goes to the, he has gone to the office the whole time that has never changed um, for him, but just how fortunate we are. Um, you know, because I see so many people like you said that just the inequalities and uh, I mean, what do you do if you're a single mom and you're supporting your family and your working full time, but now the kids are home and you've got to educate them and it's, I really feel that for people.


there's there's impossible situations that people have been thrown in mm. Yeah


It's


we're some of the lucky ones.


yes, I, I agree. And I think that's really, you know, I try to find the positive in a really negative situation and I know for me it's it's really changed my perspective on things that I probably took for granted and or complained about before all this and now I'm like that really doesn't matter, you know?


Yeah every everybody's gotten a little bit of that shift I think are well


So


I suppose anybody who's not a total sociopath maybe if this if this won't shake up or make you take a look at everything around you. I don't know


what,


know. Yeah. Yeah. So when you said you're originally from the West Coast, what part um did you grow up out there?


yeah I grew up in the Seattle area and then it was New Orleans, Nashville Knoxville, D. C. Chicago.


Oh my gosh, is that all movement for your job or was that growing up or?


No I grew up and was out in the Seattle area through college and then I lived in New Orleans for a year. Um Did law school in Tennessee, worked in Tennessee for a little bit and then moved out to D. C. For work. I met my wife and moved to the midwest for her job. And have changed since changed johnson's being out here. I was doing full time remote when we first moved out here and didn't really love that. I don't love full time remote but you know three or four days remote sounds pretty delightful.


Yeah, working in your pajamas can't have its its bonus points.


I've got I've got shorts on right now but I'm certainly not in my dress slacks right?


Yeah. That's that is there's something to be said for that part of it.


Yeah it's it's nice and it also like it frees you up you can get the things done like and it's a it's a mindset and I know that it's an adjustment and not everybody is is great at it but and and also like there can be especially if you've got the kids at home, if you've got other things going on, like there's fits and starts, you will work for a little bit and then you'll stop for a second and some people they, it's hard to get over that hump to realize that like if you do that at home, it's really not that different than one next, somebody comes into your office and chats you up for something irrelevant. Brickell or you decide to go take that coffee break with somebody or you you go down rabbit holes when you're in the office that are completely different. But every bit as time wasting is the things that you can find when you're at home better or worse just different like and there's there's there is social utility to like having those relationships and that ability to pop into people's offices when you're when you're actually on site. But I don't necessarily be that every day, but

Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah.


Very


that's


great.


a major attitude adjustment and kind of just a general brain shift for not only employees but also manager to like, yeah, how are you, judging whether your people are doing their work


Yeah. That would be a challenge, especially when when they're working remotely and you're supervising them and what does that look like? Yeah. That would.


the the lazy, there's nothing lazier than a manager who decides whether an employee is a good employee based on when they clock in and when they clock off. That was a really dumb way of looking at it. But it's


Because you


also the easiest way,


Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm very fortunate that my um I work for a small company and my boss is um he's very good about you know family comes first and I don't really care what days you work or what hours or where you work from. As long as you're getting your work done,


just


that's really all that he's like you know what needs to be done just get it done. And that is um you know I may not make a ton of money at my job but in our current family situation that flexibility um is worth so


gold,


much. Yeah.


I took this job at a salary decrease or the increase in quality of life and stability and I am I'm very happy that I did that,


Yeah it's worth so much more than the financial aspect in my opinion. Especially when you have kids you just you have to be flexible and you have to mean you want to be with them and you wanna you know I don't


You got


know although


what?


I do have the option to take the kids to work with me if I need to. And everybody's like, oh that's such a great, you know, my four year old has gone to work with me since she was a newborn and is not productive. It's


I can't


not as great.


believe that.


I'm like, yeah, some days daycare sounds fabulous. Right.


Yeah, I mean, and I don't know how long this is gonna last, but as long as we're in this current scenario and and my team is definitely just get your stuff done. I don't care how you don't make anybody have to micromanage anybody else. Let's do it. We're all, we're all big boys and big girls, let's let's just get things done. Um, but I, my wife and I can pretty much every day, walk our daughter to daycare and together and pick her up and walk her back together. And


It's awesome.


that's that's like that's gold to me at this, that's that's the biggest silver lining to me out of all of this, is that we've gotten so much extra one on one time with her. It's it's really, really been cool. And, and in general, I'm now in a job where I'm very rarely ever going to have to stay after hours in the office and be, you know, miss a day with her and that's


that's all.


that's fantastic. Yeah. You know, if I, if I really want to go grind until I'm dead, I can go do that in 15 years. I hope I don't have to, but as long as I can avoid having to do it, I'm gonna do it. But


I agree totally. So what does your wife do we, you know before you said her job may not come back, but


well her her on site job, she's she works in healthcare policy. Um so she she helps kind of lobby and get legislation. She does a lot of stuff around Medicaid and Medicaid expansion.


Okay, cool. So is that how you guys met then you're kind of in the same industry? And


Um No, we met at a bar.


did you, my husband and I met at a Lincoln Park concert. So I mean you just never know. Yeah. Yeah.


there was there was zero networking involved.


Yeah. Hey, you know, sometimes it just, it works. Everybody's like, oh, you'll never meet anybody good at a bar, but sometimes it happens.


Yeah. And she was she has always been in this industry and very directly focused on these kinds of issues and this world and I've kind of floated into it as, as my work has evolved especially since moving out here now. Like very much in the I've worked in, I worked in health insurance and now also, you know, directly on the, on the provider side in, in the hospital. I am now like on the ground level. And this is, I mean, it's, it's this is much better than health insurance. I'll say that much like, like


gosh.


you're actually supporting something that


Help insurance.


definitely was a motivator to consider a career switch to.


Mm hmm. Yeah. So are you guys in like in the downtown Chicago area, you mentioned walking your daughter to daycare? Is that


Yeah. Now we're north side, we're


come in?


we're kind of like probably a couple of miles from Wrigley Field. I have walked I walked to a baseball game from there before.


Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome. I've only been in Chicago once and I was, I was in my twenties um


there we go.


and I enjoyed it, but I would really like to go back again when I can really mhm. Stay longer and you know, explore more. I always thought it would be a cool city to live like when you're single and young. Um


I thought I thought the same thing having moved here when I'm older and married like I should have been here and I was when I was 2021 right out, right out of college. I thought the same thing about Nashville to like, but


I mean,


Chicago, there's, there's so much to do. It's we've been we've been here for six years and I feel like we barely scratched the surface. Give us a pass for this last year. But yeah now we're getting to explore all of it again, you know through the eyes of our kids. Which is also fun seeing all these other brings. There's just so much there. I've I've never lived in a city this big but it's there's just so much to do. There's so many things going on. It's it's very cool.


Yeah, awesome, awesome. So your daughter go, does she go, you said she's going to daycare? She going every day now?


She's going five days a week. Yeah.


That's awesome. Yeah.


I mean she usually I mean she likes it. I think she was going I mean being being home and shelter in place with us for several months. It definitely kind of like strengthened the bond. But I think she also kind of missed the interaction and playing with her friends. So it was it was a little weird transitioning back at first but


No.


but after after that like now she's she's all back in her and I mean there's like five kids.


Oh, that's not bad. That's, that's a good, I mean, financially from their point that's probably not probably probably really struggling, but.


I think they have they have three rooms and I think they have more people. This is like the toddler room and then there's like uh two rooms for slightly older. I think those have more.


Okay. Yeah, my youngest is scheduled to go back to preschool um next month and she will go three days a week just in the mornings, but they've had to reduce their class sizes and um so I'm really kind of selfishly hoping that they do go


man.


just as those three mornings of the week would be nice to be able to, you know, actually get some work done or run some errands or maybe exercise a little bit, you know, just have some


Crazy.


time. Yeah. Um But so I'm hoping, but we'll see.


No it's true. I mean we had we haven't had long conversations about it like should we do this? Are we are we awful people for sending our kid back when they could get sick? But I mean it it's a we've we've made the adjustment that like between me going into the office a couple times a week and our child going to daycare like we have a we've we've absorbed enough risk right? So we're not going out anywhere. We're not we don't really have much of a bubble of like other people that we see. Well I think there's like three other people outside. So like we're we're eating the risk on our end by just having a continued, lonely, isolated existence. You know, I get to talk to strangers on a videotape a 25 minute.

Yeah. Mhm. Right. Mhm. Right. Yeah. Yeah.


My husband laughs because he's like um he's also on prolific and I'm like you should do one of these studies. They're really cool because I've done one before and talk to a girl in Arizona and he's like, he's very introverted, he's like, that sounds like pure torture and


my


I'm


wife


like,


is the same watch


that's another adult, I can talk to them about real life things and because he's at the office all day and I'm stuck with these kids.


because the kids in the other room or any curse words you want to get out like real quick. You want to drop the left arms? Well there.


Oh gosh. But yeah, I enjoy like learning about different people in their lives and it doesn't bother me at all, so


Yeah I know and like prolific. Been really busy since quarantines rolled up too.


coming up.


So it's like it's paying for the beer money. It's


exactly. Yeah, I agree. It's a nice little side gig, so well, cool. Have you been timing this at all? I don't know. What did we get on at 20 at 11 or


oh, yep. No we are we are at time were actually good.


are we fabulous? All right,


Well


well, it's been fun. I've enjoyed


talking


to


with you. That's


stay


it.


safe out there


You do the same.


and have a good rest of your day.


yep. You too, Bye, bye.


Yeah. Yes, yes. Mhm. Yes. Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm Yeah. Okay. Mhm Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm Mhm Uh huh Mhm Uh huh Mhm Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, of course. Why? Thank you. Mhm. You can do that. Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm Yeah. Yeah, mm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm Yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. Yes, Yeah. Hey, can you hear me? Okay? Mhm.


what's your name? Yeah.


My name is, jen, what's your name?


Greg. Mhm.


Nice to


Yeah.


meet you.


Nice to meet you. So


Act


you found out about this thing through prolific? Yeah. Okay.


I'm guessing you need to.


Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess that's where this from. Um Yeah, I mean it's it's kind of interesting. I've never done something like this before.


Yeah, no, it is actually did it once before. Um And I mean it's just interesting to kind of people like in other areas just to see everybody's doing.


Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Um What's been going on with you


um Well, I'll tell you a little bit about me, so I'm I live in Virginia


with? Oh yeah, I used to live in, I went to college in Virginia. Yeah, in northern Virginia. Vienna Vienna Virginia. But I went to I went to school in Williamsburg. Yeah. And I also did a little brief stint in Richmond. Um Where in Virginia are you?


I'm actually right by Richmond, like down south, a little bit, so pretty close. yeah, where do you live now?


I'm in new york city. Okay. Yeah.


that's always fun.


Mhm. Yeah, it's been interesting recently with going on with coronavirus, but things are looking up.


Yeah, thank goodness, I'm actually from pennsylvania, so right by new york, I mean I've been there a couple of times, not the best place in the world, it's a lot of people,


And


but a lot to do.


Yeah. Yeah. Well, not so much anymore. It's been super quiet. Um I went back to Virginia for a little while and spend some time with my family there. Um During all this yeah because I've been working remote throughout this time so I have the flexibility and it felt safer to be in in Virginia where there's a little more space because I got a small *** apartment here. Yeah.


I feel like now the new york is a lot safer than south.


It is now. Yeah it is now it's because our numbers are really good but everyone walks around with masks outside. I think that helps a lot.


Oh yeah, it was definitely scary out


Good.


there, so what do you do for work?


Um I run a research lab in Manhattan.


How do you do that remotely?


Um We're still we're still doing data collection. It's all online. It's all through an electronic data system. Yeah. Yeah


so you do


and


like a lot of research studies then?


I well yeah I mean like that's what I do for work but I also like have just in my free time like during quarantine just because I like there's it feels like there's not much to do. I've just been like participating in all these like random studies. Yeah.


I


Um So I've


think


I've


everybody


had some fun doing it. I did this one research study that was um uh like a job crafting study.


That's cool.


Um It paid $100 amazon gift card. Um which was pretty was pretty good. Some of them can be pretty lucrative. Um And some of them not so much, but it's I don't know, it's something to do with something to keep you busy.


exactly, now that you're working remote, are you working like full time or part time or?


No, I'm working full time still.


Well, it keeps you busy then?


Yeah. Yeah. The job has been nice for sure to be able to keep doing that. Um I'm definitely enjoying like having that kind of a little more structure even with work. I feel like the day is kind of like blur together at this point.


Oh yeah, no, I definitely agree, it's like nothing to do at all.


Um What have you been up to? Yeah. Huh.


I mean I work remote as well, my job is more flexible so the hours really aren't as full time as I would like, but


I got


you


been


know.


doing pretty much anything as you like trying to fill my day with random stuff, whatever, you know online. I feel like online has been really busy, which is great like with studies and just pretty much anything. That's good.

Uh huh. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah.


Do you do you read it


I do. Yeah.


because I like found out about like a lot of this stuff through beer money suffer. Do you know what I'm talking about?


Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. It's so funny because everybody like I talked to is like your money and I was like, oh my god, how does everybody know about your money?


I mean it's not like it's like if you want to like look into doing this kind of stuff on the side, I feel like it's pretty like it's one of the things that you come across. But yeah, I mean there's like some good information on their on like different like unpaid stuff you can do?


Yeah. I know. I think their money is really accurate because a lot of people, it's like personal opinion, A lot of people actually use that


On


money to


our side.


live off of. So I really like their advice.


Yeah, for sure. I mean it sounds like some people do really well. Yeah.


It's crazy.


What's that other app? I just downloaded? This other app that I haven't really like spend too much time on. I think it's called um disk out. Do you know what I'm talking about? I don't know how you say it or not.


Disk. I think it's the Scout. Yeah.


The Scout. Yeah. Um Have you ever had any luck on that? Yeah,


The most I made was like


no


problem.


bucks on there. But it's like really there's like a lot of screeners you have to do. I feel like to get to something good.


Yeah that's the thing. It takes so much time I feel like to get to actually, but the payout seem really large. Yeah.


yeah. No


Right.


I did one on there. It was just it was a


Good.


lot of work though and I


Was. Uh huh.


I mean some of them are really easy but there was just one that just, it was like constant.


With


They wanted you to keep going to the grocery store and taking pictures and it's like it was annoying. So some of them, I mean some of them were worth it. Some of them are not worth it. Just like with anything with any studies you have to really pick and choose.


Um What's been your favorite so far?


My favorite is user testing. I'm not sure if you heard of them or you use them.


so that that's like I've definitely seen that you like can you like record a video of yourself? Like kind of evaluating like a website?


Well it's actually all microphones, you don't have to use the video. Yeah, so it's really easy, you can make, I don't want to see a ton of money, but a decent amount of money on there and it's 10 minutes for $10. I mean it's really good.


Oh wow. Okay. Yeah that is really good.


Yeah, I would definitely look into that.


Yeah, I can check that out. I mean it's nice to have just like a little bit extra cash here and there.


Oh yeah, especially in new york, it's expensive.


Mhm. Yeah it is it is less expenses now because there's not much nightlife or like going out. That's happening like I'm saying I'm saying yeah I'm saying it that time. Um But I just got an apartment with my girlfriend actually just went through a move. Um


There you go.


Yeah it's something to do it like keeps you but we just like moved into this new apartment and we've been like just like living out of boxes for the past couple of days. Yeah.


that's tough.


Um That's all right. I mean I think I think it's like it could be worse. We're having we're trying to have fun with it. Um


that's scary to move though during a pandemic.


It wasn't that bad. I yeah it wasn't that bad. I mean we did it all ourselves, we rented a U. Haul. We packed everything ourselves. I mean I was we were only moving uh well I was only moving like 30 minutes away from my old apartment so what are Yeah.


That's crazy though. Uh


Say that. Um Do you get outside much now or


I mean we we have


well?


like our own house, we have like two acres um so that's really kind of what we do, we don't really go anywhere, well I don't go anywhere um now, but just outside is just kind of going in the backyard and front yard or kind of maybe going to the park, but for me, I feel like it's kind of scary to go


No


out, you know like in the city like enrichment or something like that because you just


are.


don't know who has what, you know?


Yeah, for sure. Do you have a you have a car?


Yeah, you have


Well so you can get around then like it's a little it's a little rough here because um like you can't you can't really take public transportation, it's pretty dangerous. I mean dangerous. I don't know, but like it's not it's not the best idea if you're trying to, you know, not not that sex so.


You have a corner or you don't have a car


I


there,


don't have a car, I don't have a car because it's it's too expensive in the city to have a car. Even just getting insurance in new york city, it's like it's the you pay like a premium of like $500 a year basically. Just as it's just because I think, I think like from a liability standpoint it's


you


just


know?


like a lot you're a lot more likely to get in an accident around here. Yeah.


That's crazy though. And plus like in new york, new york, everything is like so close together, so what's the point of a car


it is it is theirs


and then now this happens?


yeah everything is right within like distance um Walking distance. But yeah I mean it's still like all the things that like kind of made being in a city really kind of nice have sort of went away at this point uh


yeah.


Because you're just you're kind of stock so it was really nice for me to get out and go to Virginia for a little bit my family and they have some lands there


No


so um it was just nice to kind of like spread out a little bit and be in a house rather than like a tiny apartment. Um So yeah I really enjoyed and my parents just got a new puppy. Yeah. Oh


That's cute. Now do you have like a park nearby at least or not really?


I have a park nearby. Yeah


Mm


so I'm able I'm able to like go walk to the park and hang out there. Um


That must be so hard though.


It can be, can be, but


Yeah, I can imagine.


I've been all right. I mean, I'm like, I have my girlfriend, so we're together. Like I'm not


I was


like


on birth.


not, yeah, not just being like alone. If I was just alone during this time, I would go crazy. I wouldn't be able to do that first. No way.


Is she working from home too? Oh


works for


good,


me. Yes. We're both remote. Yeah.


that's awesome.


Yeah. It's nice. It's


Do you have any pets or anything


now


or No?


now we've thought about it, especially during Covid, but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen. It's so it's again, it's super expensive to get a dog, especially also here, like, and then I'm like, well what happens when we go back to work and like then how am I going to pay for? Like, am I going to get a dog walker that's really expensive because you yard to just let your dog go out and they're stuck in this tiny apartment. So all sorts of like things that you have to overcome when you're in in New york city living in the city. But it could be worse. I don't know.


Do you guys ever want to move like out of the city? You're not really?


Someday. For sure, someday. Absolutely.


Yeah it's tough.


Like I would like to, I mean I'm not from New york city. I um I lived most of my life in the Northeast and then like in Virginia for a little while um and I ended up here because I went to grad school here and I just ended up saying afterwards because it was like an easy progression. Like my probe my grad program like set me up for positions just like in the area because it's, the school is like networked with like the city so it was easier to get a job right away here and then I just have never left. Um So yeah, but we'll see what happens. I mean I thought I was going to maybe move out of the city during this time but I've ended up just signing a new a new one year lease so I'm not gonna be I'm not going to be leaving any time soon. Yeah.


that's crazy. Where's your girlfriend from? She's from new york


Yeah. She's lived here forever.


uh So she's right so yeah


Yeah, I don't think, I don't know if she necessarily could see going anywhere else. I think she kind of really likes it here. Mhm.


so


Some people do. Mhm.


I don't yeah I think now I think a lot of people are thinking a little differently, everything's going on.


Do you have any parts? Mhm.


Yeah


Uh


we have a little gap. Yeah cats aren't that exciting but it's something,


I had this cat um when I was growing up, her name was kitty lulu. Uh


I guess things you didn't name her. Yeah.


I don't know we were kids but she was a terrible pet. She was so violent. Like yeah, she used to like like it was the kind of thing where like she just be like very calm and you'd be like petting her and then all of a sudden it was just like there being like a freak out and she would just like scratch you and like go crazy


Oh my gosh


dead animals all the time into the house that she'd killed. Um Eventually we had to give up kitty lulu because we just like couldn't get her under control and we brought her to my grandparents farm um and we just let her go there. Um She ended up having a bunch of kittens which was very cute.


That is killed


And she she fared a lot better I think like living in the farm and like killing little mice and rats and stuff and like doing her own thing. It wasn't meant for the indoors. That


my gosh that's crazy.


was the only cat I ever owned.


I'm sure after that experience you probably never will again.


I don't know. I mean it was a little like I was a kid like yeah it was a little drawing but yeah I think it's over it's over time we kind of became like more dog people. Mhm.


are more playful anyways and they're nicer.


Do you like your tab?


No I do yeah no he's really friendly. He has he's indoors only not I mean bone in his body I mean he's very loving and cuddly but you know cats just don't play I guess you know when they sleep so.


it can be true. Well do you have one of those little things that you like wave around? Well


know


that's


I mean they put it there for a minute and then they're like okay this is boring, so just how cats are. I used to have a guinea pig, they're actually really good pets.


Okay. Yeah that's that's awesome. Um What was your guinea pigs name?


Why two of them? I had ginger and I had marsh marshmallow, marsh but they're very friendly. They run up to the cage when you come home. I mean they're just like little dogs are so cute. Yeah


that's all.


so that's a good that's a good like apartment pet.


Yeah. Yeah I I had a pet mice for a little while. It was interesting.


Yeah I think I ever had that


They were they really I don't know what you're like. Gerbil ate for like little treats or whatever if you fed your job


but


lined


carrots,


up


lettuce


here. Okay. Okay. The mice that I had were like obsessed with almonds. Like little almonds. Um But I think I fed them too much because one of them one of them got like seriously obese and died like really? Really? It was sad. What? Yeah.


It was actually really sad. One of my guinea pigs. Um


Um


You know because I bought everything for my guinea pig, I loved him and I bought him this gate side, it was like a little gate


I love you.


and on the picture of the box it's you know a show like a guinea pig outside and the sun having fun. So I put him in the gate and I was outside, he was outside having fun and then he like kind of stopped moving, I was like oh my god what's going on? So I brought him inside and like he died, I


Why?


was really upset because I didn't know this, but they can't be outside for like more than like 10 or 15, 20 minutes because it's so hot and like the sun and I didn't know that.


So he


No.


overheated.


Yes, I was so sad, it was sad.


That's terrible because you feel kind of like it's like responsible.


yeah, and I was like why would they sell this product and show a guinea pig in the sun? Like who does that?


that's really uh they didn't


The


do their research.


I know, I was really that was like my favorite pet and I was really sad.


Yeah. Well maybe you should get another one.


Well I did, I got mars and then mars ended up just being too wild. Like the like it's so crazy, like the first guinea pig ahead ginger was like, it would like seriously just like a dog, like you can pet him play with him, he was just a dog, and then marsh was more like an actual wild animal bite. You, you know, crazy. So it's hard to find like guinea pigs that are like loving and you know, I actually want to play with you. Yeah.

Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Uh huh. Mhm. Mhm. Oh yeah mm. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.


So they have temperaments. I go


I'm sure I'm sure we animals do. Yeah, it is what? It is sad but true. Mhm. So I'm guessing you guys don't have any kids or anything.


No not yet.


Mhm. You never know, we actually have a little boy, a one year old,


that


so


sounds


he's just yeah he's uh it's crazy just you know being a parent, he's so wild and crazy.


Well the two years must help.


That's who?


The two acres you said you have to Right.


Well he just started walking. Yeah he loves it outside.


Oh just like I'm sorry. Yeah you said he was only one years old I guess. He's not moving around too much.


Yeah. Yeah. I know, I know one year old towns like so old but they're still really little.


I don't know. I'm like I'm like really bad with like ages of kids and I don't want like that. Yeah, I have no clue.


When you go,


So


when you


even though I in college I actually t aid a developmental psychology course, but I still don't remember any of that stuff.


yeah, usually when you have your own kids and it's like then you really start knowing the ages when you went to Virginia. Did you


What?


like I know they're not in new york and pennsylvania. But did you get attacked by those yellow flies?


No. What


Well you didn't


what


have that in there


know


when you went


to your parents?


you know what is uh


I mean I think they're everywhere. Unless you're just here but there are these yellow flies every time you go outside they like they bite you


or


and I didn't know if it's just like


with


a southern thing or what, but they're


no.


like really bad,


Uh Yeah, I don't think I don't think we've no I don't I haven't heard of that.


wow. Your parents must be lucky then.


I guess maybe they didn't come to northern Virginia, maybe it's


yeah, that's


in


true.


the southern part, I don't know,


That makes sense.


but


Yeah, because that's why we don't really go outside that much either because they like they're crazy.


you can't do anything about them. Yeah.


I mean the only thing I found was like on amazon you can buy like these, it's like a sticky ball and they like stick to it. That's really the only thing like spray doesn't work. Like nothing works.


Did you get did you get one of the balls?


No, no, I didn't get it yet because I was going to, but then it said the season is almost over and they're like $40 for one. So Yeah. Yeah, they're like


Something


this big,


to


huge.


app. Right, That is so ridiculous. Okay.


Yeah. So we just stay inside. Mhm.


Has it been hot there this summer?


It's been really bad. Like really humid.


Yeah, it gets


I think


it.


with the storm like it's going to cool down a little bit. Yeah.


Have


Which


you


is,


got you got rain?


this was to just get it tonight, I'm not sure if it's coming up to you guys


I'm


though. I don't think so. Oh


Yeah, I don't know, we I mean yeah the rainy nights here are really nice actually though because it's very humid in in New york city like you get yeah, I mean it's like really like kind of sweaty outside. Um So


so I'm guessing it's been bad this year then?


Uh huh. It's been it's been like it's been okay. Um It was it was pretty funny in my last apartment. Um I was so stubborn and also I was trying to save money so I didn't I didn't buy a window air conditioning unit. I had no air conditioning for most for most of the summer in my apartment. I lived off of to fans.


Uh huh I'm guessing it was hot


Yeah, it was a little hot, it was a little hot. Um I just put this one fan like right in the window. sometimes I would turn it in to blow the air in if it was kind of cool outside. Sometimes I turn it the other way to take the hot, try to take the hot air out. Um and then I had just had a ceiling fan in my bedroom and one other fan that like would like oscillate but that was it. I was I got really hard, I moved my entire one bedroom apartment with zero air conditioning. Mhm. No,


I hope you have it now.


I do I do have a c in my new place.


Good awesome.


Yeah. Yeah, I was like super glad to get out of my old apartment because it was like a terrible living situation. I had this crazy ass landlord who was like would like seriously like harass all of the tenants he lived on the first floor, He actually lived below me, okay, so like there was no privacy. Like he would, he would just like come up to my front door and knock on it just any time of the day that he thought was like, he needed to talk to me about something like that's that it was such an invasion of privacy. Uh huh. And the guy was nuts. Like he was really like, he thought he was some sort of like, what do you call that? Is it like man, like not vigilante, Is that like, I don't know, he like thought that he was like, like the neighborhood watch or something like he would know seriously. Like he occupied his time by walking around the neighborhood and like calling up like the authorities on different people doing different things that he thought was like not good. So it's like crazy camera system on our apartment building and like he said it was all for safety and whatever but um he would like say really weird things to me about like stuff that he there's no way he was there, I never saw him, I don't know how he knew other than that like the video cameras but like for example when I was first moving into the building um my parents came to help me and like move some of my stuff in and I saw my landlord like a few days after that and he asked me, he was like so who was that, who is that blonde woman that was with you? I never saw him, he was so he was sitting in his apartment like watching me on his cameras and like taking note of the different things that like we're going on and I was just so creeped out about it, like it felt like such an invasion of privacy. Um and this like went on for forever with him and I had that like different conversations with him about it. Um I thought that he, I could never necessarily like prove that he like was watching me on the video cameras or whatever, but I had a lot of suspicions, so catch this though right before I'm about to move out. I like check in with him because I have to like ask him to help me out with like opening up like all of the doors for the building so I can move all my big furniture down so I had to check in with him and when I was checking in with him, he actually invited me into his apartment and when I went into his apartment I saw in his first of all, he was like a hoarder, have you ever seen like the show hoarders? It was like so there was stuff like piled up in every corner of every room, like just garbage and stuff he'd found on the street and but in the living room there was a 60 inch flat screen b and his wife was sitting on the couch and she was staring directly at this screen that had six different viewpoints of the street of cameras he had set up and at one point at one point while I'm having a conversation with my landlord, his wife like interrupts and she's just like, oh I see your girlfriends outside there, she's waiting for you. Mm It's so creepy. So creative. So I'm super happy about being done with with that whole situation. Um It was just like it was so uncomfortable. Like I'm a really nice guy and I like I don't want to like start anything and I'm not like the kind of person that's going to get into like like arguments and stuff. But he would always try to like fight with me and I just like ask him to like please, like I really don't want to argue with you. Like can we just figure something out? But he was just bad news so I'm so happy. I'm so happy that that's behind me at this point.

Mhm mm mhm wow. Yeah wow wow. Oh yeah wow mhm Yeah mhm Yeah wow mhm wow Mhm Yeah Okay wow


that's so crazy. At least it wasn't inside your apartment though cameras.


Uh huh. Oh yeah. Yeah. Wasn't inside as far as I know.


Yeah you never know. Uh


Yeah.


That was that was a crazy story.


What? Mhm. That was I mean that's my life. That's something that happens. Uh huh. Um How long have we been on this thing for?


Yeah I think we I think we've been on the right amount of time um I would say like


Well,


maybe 30 minutes we've been on 35 minutes


that's


so I think I think we should be good. Okay all right well it was nice meeting you.


You too. Um Good luck with everything.


Thanks. Good luck tail. Hope everything goes good for you


Thank


by


you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. You need to do this work for what? Can't wait. Yeah.


but uh


Hi, Hey, how is, how's it going? Doing


I'm going to tell you.


good. Yeah.


Okay.


Yeah. So is this your first


No,


time doing this call


I think this is like my fourth at this point.


for time? Okay. Yeah, same. I feel like every call has been different. But um, yeah, I guess what I'm not. Are you in the U. S. Or any other?


I'm in the U. S. Uh north Alabama.


Oh no, it's okay. Wow. I think you're the


We


first


were.


person


It's


I


restrained


talked


expression


to


on.


on prolific who's from the south. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.


Don't you worry about what about you?


California. Northern


Got


California, So, yeah.


you Your real far away. Okay.


Really far. Yeah. No, it's, yeah, pretty far. Um, yeah. How are things going in Alabama or in general? I've never really been too much of the south. Uh,


You're not missing too much. I can tell you that. Um It's been all right. The state itself is in shambles, but we're still going.


I trudging along. Yeah. I think the further south I've found as texas and even then that was in Austin. So it wasn't um, it wasn't like


Thanks.


too much more aside from that.


Uh huh. Can't you see, I think the furthest towards you I've been as austin as well, so


really? Okay. Nice. Yeah. Do you like, I mean have plans or like


Most


eventually


recent


after


election.


covid right on visiting California or any parts of the west coast?


Um I guess probably after college, wherever my job will take me. Um After after covid though. Honestly, I just want to have a nice relaxing time just with friends, I guess.


Yeah. Nice. Uh Okay. So what are you attending college in Alabama? Okay. It's nice. What do you study here? Okay,


Computer science.


cool. It's awesome.


Currently a freshman. So I think


Low.


this.


So, so that's, this means like you're doing distance learning and everything or? Okay.


Mhm. I've got one class that's in person and the rest of them and pretty much just online only. Okay,


Is it like, I guess how do you find


thank


that? Because I don't, I think right now, I don't really know that money. I know people who are like in


you.


grade school but not in cult like an undergrad, so I'm not sure that experience is completely different now.


Yeah, well I mean uh the campus and city itself are pretty much empty most of the days. Um Except


Mhm.


during like lunchtime and stuff. But the classes themselves, they're not they're not too bad, but it's definitely not the same interaction with the teachers that you would normally get, I'm sure.


Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. I can't really imagine how college would feel like a distance learning. Um I feel like when I was in college, there were times when I wanted there to be a distance learning, but now I think about it like having that interaction is really nice. So yeah. Mm


Yeah, I think that the uh the distance learning has helped a little bit with like some classes maybe, but some of the teachers just aren't, they're not they weren't ready for it, they just have no idea how to how to cooperate with the uh you know, electronics and the internet and stuff. They they're just clueless


I've


to


heard,


me.


yeah. I've heard that like a lot of teachers


His.


um have been struggling with that. Like I think a few of my friends or parents are elementary school teacher so probably like definitely a little different. But they said like the biggest struggle is getting everyone on the technology and you know how to use. Um And then um


I can just. Mhm.


it's been it's difficult. So yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I feel like I was just gonna say like I feel like working in tech like we're so used to, you know, like using zoom or using like slack or other kinds of communication. But I'm like, I feel like sometimes like this tech bubble is so real because I forget that so many people don't really use zoom or like other tools on a day to day basis. And yeah, Like Yeah.


I definitely feel that um sometimes you just get so caught up in like using technology or like yeah people, some people just don't know about it.


Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty intense. But I feel like even my grandparents don't know how to like these things, like, like zoom and like facetime and whatnot. So it's kind of hard to tell them how to do it because they're like, they revert back to like, they're like standard methods and it's like, no, like you need to do this and


conditions.


do this. Um Yeah, so it's been, it's been interesting, but yeah,


Mhm.


I mean


It is not.


how there's like a ton of software engineer, Well, I'm sure, you know, like a ton of software engineer jobs, like out here in California and in the west Coast in general, I think. Yeah.


Um


Yeah.


So I guess what do you do any free time and stuff?


I'm sorry. I just noticed you have a roommate in the background. Okay.


He was actually just, yeah.


Okay. Because I couldn't tell like she was like, oh, there's a blank screen and then I was like, okay.


What she's noticed that a roommate he just got back and sat down. Yeah.


Yeah, I mean I guess like, well I work in tech and actually, you know, it's interesting Part of my job


if


actually,


you


90% of my job is working with engineers, so I don't know if you've heard of user experience design at all or much of it. Okay. Yeah, I guess mostly like working with engineers and getting the designs into development. So right, whatever you see in the Ui is kind of that process we're working on. Um Yeah,


worked pretty much been in California my entire life, so I feel like the tech level is pretty real, especially in Silicon Valley. Um


Mhm.


Yes, that's kind of what I do


What's


on a day to


this?


day basis and hopefully once Covid is over, be nice to kind of like explore more parts. Like


I don't


my


know.


friends and I had been planning on going to new Orleans but that probably is not going to happen any time soon, so Yeah.


yeah. Mhm. Uh we've got a couple of our friends from back home hoping to uh probably go to Japan or some way of once Kobe is done and once we're out of college


that's pretty fun. Yeah. No Japan's um


network.


it's a nice place to go. I think, I think the biggest thing I realized that when I was in Japan was like there's no trash cans but everywhere, so clean, like there's no litter and I was like, what does everyone do with their trash? I guess they just stuff it in their bags until they get home or find a trash can somewhere else. Um That I'm sure you act your pants a pretty cool place to go. So hopefully by then cope it's over and you guys can


And


go on a trip or something.


hopefully by then. Yeah, I sure hope so. Thank you. Uh


Yeah.


So are you, have you been in northern California your whole life? Did you move there for work?


Yeah, pretty much my entire life. Um Company I'm with right now, they're actually based in Cleveland. Ohio. so I think at some point I have to get out to Cleveland, which I'm sure is like completely different, like my coworkers tell me every day like oh it's so different here in California, I'm like yes, I'm sure it is very different, so um that's kind of something


You


to be


have to.


excited about, you know a lot of people are like why would you want to move to? Ohio, but I don't really see an


They


appeal


are


and


looking


like


for


going to a big city like new york or


water.


Chicago or something, so yeah, is there like anywhere that like, I mean I know you're still right like college and you have a few years uh


The


is


woman.


there like anywhere that you're really looking to go or you're pretty much open to wherever


I'd


say I'm pretty much open to anywhere. Uh Hopefully someplace I can afford a place but uh


Yeah, I mean are you like still open to staying in um Alabama, I'm not sure what the job prospects are like. Mhm


Um There I mean I imagine that there's some companies but that probably doesn't even compare to like the bigger cities. Um Yeah I'm not entirely too sure.


Yeah I mean but cost of the cost of living in Alabama is pretty decent


Very careful


right? For the,


means.


it was for like a lot cheaper than, well I guess in the west coast. Yeah.


definitely.


Yeah, that's nice. Yeah I would say the one thing like I wouldn't miss about California is the cost of living here, it's so expensive and gas is expensive and I was telling my coworkers like the average cost for like a house would be like at least here in my areas like 404 150,000 and they were all like to think that in Ohio could


Get


you could get like a


out.


really really nice house for that price or even like close to a mansion, it was like here you have to have a million dollars to get a mention so it's just pretty mind


It's


blowing to me. Um That costs and living, you know? Okay


I don't I don't really know how much a whole house would cost down here. Uh So do you said like how much is gas up there?


right now uh in sacramento it is um what is? I just got gas? It's three around 3 to 3 15 but in the very like san Francisco it's like 3 50. Um


Now um


much is it in a lot cheaper?


I want to say it was definitely in the $2 range. Let's see gas


that'd be nice


station. Uh I've got a couple that are like 1 90


to


up to like 2


get


one idea. That's so, that's so nice. Okay. I guess like um so do you live in a one? Yeah of course you live in a college town right. Is it, would you say it's more lively than other parts of Alabama were like it depends.


so I'm in Birmingham, which was essentially just a town that a college took over, like every corner of just an entire huge section of the city is just a college. Um So I guess that uh well I've only ever been up here really daring, covid, so I'm not sure how it normally compares, but I'm from a small town down south Alabama mobile. Uh and it's uh downtown is kind of busy, but the exact area where I'm from is uh it's definitely probably a lot less people.


Okay. It's interesting. What would you recommend like when Ray like when covid is over? Like for people to really like, I don't


She.


know like I don't want to say explore because I can find that on google. But it's like what is one thing maybe about


Okay. Thank you.


Alabama that I could not easily


Anything.


find a google. Like just like the fact or something like weird or funny or just Yeah. Okay.


I've been wondering the same thing all my life.


That's your answer is pretty like clearance. Okay, interesting. Um


Um


okay.


I guess the thing is like uh the google will tell you like the uh the USs Alabama battleship, but I mean I've been there before and like for Condi which is like an old military fort, but I've been there before, so I'm kind of like numb to all of these different things that are already in my area because I've seen it and I've experienced it. Uh but yeah, I mean I'm sure there's there's some cool stuff, there's like uh areas to go caving in and uh things differ all throughout Alabama. Usually up North Huntsville and Birmingham are two of the bigger cities. Huntsville has like a whole Nasa center and stuff um


Movie.


And and then tuscaloosa and auburn, around uh Montgomery in the middle of the state. Uh Probably some, you can find some civil rights stuff in Montgomery. Um No, they're just big historic things and in south Alabama is like you've got the beach and some other things I guess.


I didn't know about the beach part actually like that surprised me. I think that his everything about the historical monuments and sites. You mentioned like we we learned a lot about in history and I think caring about what I'm surprised about the beach. Yeah. Okay.


uh


Yeah,


the gulf of the gulf is like a big selling point of Alabama. Uh


that


maybe


makes


not as much since VP oil spill, but people still go out there all the time.


Right. Okay. I'm gonna like I need to get I feel like I need to get better acquainted with like that geography of the south because like this is random. But when I was a lot of my coworkers, they went to um, some university in Missouri I think what was it called ST louis right? Or in ST louis and I didn't realize how close ST louis was to Ohio and I don't know I just feel like I need to better record


that's


myself


great,


like geography too. Oh


actually,


I see okay. I see the gulf now and I see. Okay I think I see that. The town you said your film. Okay. It's pretty cool. Yeah. You're really okay. I guess you're not too far from Atlanta right on the based on the map. Have


yeah, not not incredibly too far.


you been to Atlanta?


Um I actually don't know if I did, it would have been when I was a lot younger, but um I don't think I've been to like the heart of Atlanta, I might have been somewhere near, let's see where is um Stone Wells? Okay, Yeah, I would have been, I would have gone through Atlanta to go to Stone Mountain.


Oh is that also in Georgia stand that? Okay, interesting wow. It's cool. Yeah I guess there's. Okay. Did you do probably a little bit more traveling out there? Yeah. What what I guess interested you and like uh to choose like computer science as your major

Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah, so Yeah, yeah, mm


mhm. Uh I've been in so computers and games and stuff ever since I was a small kid, so I felt it was pretty natural


um What kinds of things? Yeah.


really anything um I grew up with a lot of first person shooters, but um now I'll hop into uh really, anything


Yeah.


on my councils have been playing a lot of party games with friends online as of now and data, yeah, I guess I enjoy some platformers, I'm still kind of in the first person shooters, I'll hop into an RPG sometimes, it really just depends on the day I guess, and how much time have


it's interesting


you?


I think the engineers at my company, they have like them, what is it, a dungeons and dragons thing going on? I don't know if you played already get heard of that but pretty popular among engineers that are too, but yeah I have not heard of it but I haven't really played too many games but yeah. Okay

Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah, Yeah. Okay, yeah,


I've done it a few times, uh the uh Leader dungeon master that I had was uh not the greatest, so it wasn't too great of an experience, but I had uh one section, that was pretty good I'd say, but I've only done it like maybe 23 times, really?


so does the dungeon master like they kind of dictate how, because I haven't played, I'm not sure but do they really dictate how the entire experience go to? Okay.


so they're the one that kind of like creates the world and tells the story and set you up with all the encounters and stuff.


that's kind of cool. Okay I see. So like would you say like obviously like certain maybe certain people are more inclined to be better like dungeon masters


definitely.


and. Okay I see. So do you think based on this like whatever assessment like you would like to be an engine master or not as much?


Okay I think that I would probably better off not being uh it's a lot of storytelling and uh


I see.


coming up with uh like on the spot things and I'm just I would have to spend a lot of time just making sure everything's right.


Got it. So there is a danger master and there's like everyone else who just play those players in this game. Okay. And then is the point of the game, you're just going through these encounters together and


different


working towards like


pretty


a greater goal or something?


much. Um Then of course depends on you know the story that's being told. Um Sometimes you know it's to get an ancient relic or something or maybe it's just you know kill a leader, you can really do anything with it. Yeah.


sounds kind of cool, like I know there's some people are talking about it and I feel like hearing about the danger master think it sounds intriguing,


I want


but


to


I


be


also,


with someone.


I don't know if I would like to be the dungeon master either because I feel like it's a lot of responsibility, right? Like making sure the game goes


definitely.


well. Yeah. Okay, interesting.


What about yeah


Yeah. Is there like what else do you like enjoy doing when you know you're not like


the plan.


doing distance learning or playing games?


Um Honestly if I'm not like doing like in a class of writing up a paper uh then I'll be just talking with friends on discord or playing games and if I'm not doing that I'm probably just watching Youtube or asleep.


So it's pretty nice. Yeah, lot of what do you watch on Youtube? So I feel like I'm asking you like a big questions.


that's fine. Um I've got a few different like sub sets I guess. Um I watch a guy play a lot of puzzle games among us has been huge, so I've been watching some of that um sketches


Oh cool. Yeah. Well that's pretty cool. Okay.


with


I actually


me.


didn't know about the watching people play puzzle. Didn't puzzle. That's pretty cool. Okay, do you like


It's


go ahead?


not a not like physical jigsaw puzzles, there are like video games that are just yeah,


okay. I wasn't actually


I don't I


physical.


don't really know how to explain it. Mhm.


because I guess I was going to leave me to my next question, which is like, do you enjoy like putting together puzzles? But I guess since you that was


I


kind


do


of


though, I definitely do. Yeah.


trying to think like do you enjoy playing digital puzzle puzzles or just you like the actual like tangible feeling of like putting something together physically?


So we I have tried doing like the digital puzzles and some of them online with friends and stuff. Uh and those are fun just to interact, but I've always been a fan of like building things like legos and uh connects and puzzles and things like that. Yeah. Mhm.