I would say like, yeah, I agree with you. Like I feel like a digital puzzle doesn't really feel the same. It's like I feel like I'm just kind of, I can zone out what I want. Yeah there's like a super, if you ever go to san Francisco there's a super cool um museum it's called, what is it called? It's been the wall I guess. It's not even see myself. Explorer exploratorium and it is yeah exploratorium in san Francisco it's like pretty close to downtown and it's just really neat because they used to have all these cool like science and art and just like like anything that had to do with like stuff I think and it was very interactive. So like on thursday nights there would be like a session dedicated specifically

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah.


Nothing.


to like whatever was theme for the week. So I remember like there was like a food theme and then there was like an electricity theme or like a water theme, just like you know Covid's over and you know these they open up and everything like it's pretty interactive really hands on so I thought that was a good experience,


Gosh


you


it looks pretty cool. It's based on what I'm seeing at it right now.


know? And then I guess on that second there's also something called the Academy of Sciences, it's more I guess scientific more science based but it's still um pretty awesome. They have these things called like the night life events and I think oh actually maybe they're both but I'm just on their website. Oh no they're virtual man. Okay anyways I don't know what their virtual events are like but they're yeah you're ever in san Francisco like I said there in person events, it is pretty cool and pretty interactive. So yeah like a lot of people like we were still working in the office like it was like kind of like the office thing to do right? Like thursday nights, head

Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Right. Yeah mm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.


Shit.


of the exploratorium and see what there is. Um Yeah so just something if you're ever out in the west Coast.


Yeah that sounds that sounds real fun. I'm a big fan of like you know aquariums, things like that so just having some hands on with technology sounds really cool. Mhm.


There's also, I feel like I'm just giving you all these wrecks but there's also this aquarium in Monterey which is like like Monterey California and


the whole


it's a huge


works.


aquarium. And


Thank


I don't know like


you.


when


I went


I thought it was kind of like the reviews I heard. I feel like we're kind of overrated. Like it's awesome that I like it but I think it's one of those experiences where everyone hyped it up so much. And then when I went I was like it's just kind of like a standard aquarium.


I want


I


to


don't


make


know like


trouble.


everyone made it sound like it was like the aquarium and it is really neat like and if you ever get a chance to check it out like you should, it's awesome and it's really pretty like by the seaside, right? Um But I don't know, I feel like the experience is a little over hyped. So uh


Catch you.


yeah, when I think of your student, you get a discount. I mean, well, I wouldn't want to just sit and so I do remember that part. Uh Yeah, so that's another thing too. Yeah. You know, check out with your here.


Can't complain about a discount


Yeah, it helps a lot. Yeah.


a little different


Um I think,


the market. Yeah.


those are some of the big things. Are there like, similar? Well, I'm sure like, obviously like in Alabama, there's a like similar museums or exploratory ums in the area.


Yeah. So let's see down south. We have the Dolphin Island Sea Lab which I think I've only been to like once


What? It sounds pretty neat. Okay.


it's there. I'm sure you can like uh that dolphins and stuff maybe. I don't quite remember but it's just like a big aquarium and things like that.


this looks pretty neat actually. Ok.


Um And we also have an explore e. Um which is like they have a


I


set theme. Um And they have like it's just like a museum of all kinds of different things. Like one time they had you know uh dinosaurs or something and just told you all about dinosaurs. And they also have like general science stuff like how converting energy into their food into energy works. And then they also have an imax connected to it which will show like just huge you know movies and stuff like


that


sounds pretty cool. Okay. Like I would really like something like,


but it didn't


was just


take


thinking


much.


like an experience I had and I think it was in Los Angeles. It was something like what you describe, but I don't know, it's just been such a long time since I've been to one of those kind of attractions. And right, with Covid, it doesn't help that you can't really


Big business.


go out and do that right now,


this


but mm hmm.


Um Let's see. Uh Can you go like Montgomery has a a big zoo. I'm not sure how it's been affected with Covid but the Birmingham Zoo I went a couple of weekends ago and it was pretty good. Uh There were some exhibits of course shut down, which was a little bit upsetting, but other than that it was a community of people, some cool stuff, bad foxes and seals and otters, so.


that's pretty cool. Okay. I don't think I've ever seen a fox in a zoo before. We have like bears here, obviously. But uh, there's


What?


a lion's, I guess pretty standard. Okay. But I haven't seen a fox before, so that's pretty neat. What, like what exhibits like did you want to see that were shut down?


I was really hoping to go into the reptile exhibit, I've got uh two of them at home and uh so I was hoping to you know, kind of see a lot more, but uh yeah that was completely shut down. Uh The otters were nowhere to be seen, which was a little upsetting. Uh It's me restrictions, I can't really think off the top of my head, they were planning on creating a whole new area. Uh But of course that wasn't ready yet, so. Mhm.


What martel's do you have about? Uh,


I've got a bearded dragon and a savannah monitor.


Okay. Okay. Okay. That's cool. Nice. How long have you? It's kind of look


Gosh, I think I've had them at least like two or 2 to 3 years. Somewhere around there,


Nice. And there, are they at home or did you bring them to school?


No we had to keep them at home. My dad's uh made their own little uh play area for him pretty much.


So yeah. Yeah, I look. Okay. I looked them up and I, yeah, I think I remember what the bearded monitor, bearded dragon looks like. Yeah, interesting. Okay.


For different reasons.


there was like one exit, one zoo in, in Los Angeles and it has an entire section like a little bit on a tangent, but it's like


What do you


dedicated


mean?


to snakes and that was, I don't know, kind of like, well, because just like you have like, I don't know, like 50 different types of snakes just chilling in these cages, but


That way


Cool. Okay. I see. Yeah, awesome.


People


Um well I have to probably hop back onto work. It's like, well, it's, I guess it's like 3 30 over here, so I'm assuming it's six PM or 6 30. And are you guys


5 30.


5 30? Okay. I keep thinking


Where's the trouble?


like this last time. Okay, Cool. Well


Got you. It was nice meeting.


yeah. Likewise. Um yeah, good luck with school and everything else for the rest of this year. Okay.


Thank you. Have a good


You


one.


too.


but hi I think you might be muted or it could be me, wait for us up. Um I still can't hear you. Can you hear me? Yeah? Okay, mm I still can't let me see if it's my volume or something. Yeah. Um I don't think so. Okay, so you know you have it's like your little screen right here on the bottom is your mike on. Mhm. If not let's try refreshing like I'll refresh right now and you can do I've done that before and we still have it like it still saves the convo and stuff. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Okay so we're fresh. Okay I wanted to Okay. Okay. Oh mhm.


Can you hear me now? Oh, okay, awesome.


don't do it. Okay.


Hey, sorry about


You're


that.


gonna am I gonna


I'm


talk


not


to myself?


story.


I was kidding? Okay.


That could be a very interesting. 25 minutes.


I know because I've been


Well, I have great, nice to meet you. My name is Kevin. Uh, done this once or twice and I think it's been a lot of fun. But who wants to learn a little bit more about you as well?


Yeah my name's Jazz Lynn. I've been this is like my second time doing this, every time I've been doing this one like this round my partner like never shows up, so this is like my fifth time this week like waiting for my partner. Yeah so I was like I have a feeling they're not going to show up this time either but I was wrong so she's awesome.


Well, that's awesome. So yesterday I was scheduled


Well


to talk and my daughter's soccer practice ended up getting moved over to yesterday. So she's for in fact, it just so happens that even realized, but they're right behind me over here in terms of the extra, yeah,


Mhm.


I stuck into another room and it just so happens that the photos right there. But


here.


as I am going to the soccer practice or at least driving them, I realized


No.


I was supposed to be talking to somebody. So let me call up or email prolific and see if they could switch it around. So I was able to move things around around there. Um I know that ended up working out well. Um are you currently still working from home during all this? Are you studying from home? Are you


I'm working from home apparently I'm working from home until May but I've also heard a rumor of june I mean not june december 2021 so that's crazy.


how are you enjoying working from home?


I honestly love it. I love it. I don't want to go back. How about you?


I'm torn.


Born


I mean so


cost.


so here's if you're to tell me in college that you're going to pick a career, you leave me. So if I'm being someone who's seeking a career and I'm being told result for example you


Sorry


potentially


my dog's


at home.


gonna be barking


Oh well that's that's quite okay, you have potential list at home for 40 years and do work. I would have never gone into uh white collar career path. It would have bored the living bejesus out of me.


what like where like what are you working like what sector or like area


We're going to finance sector.


You


But


too?


I work in um


Mhm.


I work in a sort of like an I. T. Realm, It's like a risk I. T. Cyber realm for finance and sounds like you work in finance as well. So look the job can be done from home. I get it but it's just not it's not me. I think like what I would love to see as time moves on


Two


his work doesn't become a place that you go to five days a week. But you have the option to go there in order to elaborate and then you have the option to be home as well and have that flexible. I think it's like gives a little bit of rethinking or a new thought process to the office environment which I think is great. I'll be honest I can't I I don't think I could do this for another 30 years and never going into the office or like not leaving my boat. That would just drive me up.


No I feel the same way I I thinking about it long term stresses me out and I can't even think about that but at this point in time right now I've just been thinking and I'm I'm pretty cool it but


Well, yeah, Honey, I say all that yet. Like when the office is, so my office has reopened and very much like a lot of other financials and I'm probably sure yours well, it doesn't sound like yours is doing that, but they're like, oh, you know, we're not forcing you to come back in, but you have the option to come back in if you so choose to.


err


They're like, no, no, that's fine. I don't think I really want to go in any time


no.


soon. And part of that rationales, I don't want to spend the money to go into the city in order to have to commute. And then also to just sit there and do the exact same thing that I would be doing


if I


here


were up


with. Yeah. Like I'm like, well that doesn't really sound fun. Like I don't really want to do that. So look, I'm, in my own words, they're a little bit of how, you know, I would like to do something a little bit more collaborative, but I think I'm assuming that I would like to see people there as well. I don't want to sit there all my lonesome and yeah, something I could be doing at the house so that that sort of plays into it as well. Um If you don't mind me asking, what are you doing finance, you don't have to go into the depths of detail if it's too private, but you


No


know what?


I don't care. I worked for Vanguard if you've heard of Vanguard


Oh yeah, of course. Yeah.


so I work for the financial advisors. I'm actually trying to become an adviser hopefully in like the next month so it's been a draining process of studying for the C. F. P. And um just like going through the application process. It's been a lot. But yeah I've been I've been working for like two years. Um I graduated like not that long ago I'm 24 I look way younger.


Well, congratulations on the, you know I was going to say the belated graduation, Congratulations.


and


That's awesome. Did you graduate with a finance degree?


no I didn't actually I did business management it was super big.


Howard?


I had no idea what I wanted to do when I graduated, I had no clue.


I mean, you know, who could blame you? Right. Yeah, I was just talking about this one of my buddies at 18 19 years old and not even 18. Like you have to make that decision at 15 and 16


You really do


like this is what I'm gonna be doing for the rest of my life and like even now like I like what I do but mm that could do something else.


Exactly same here. I feel the same way. Um Yeah, because like looking back like when I was like 18, my my parents told me what to do, like they told me what I need to do to major in school and the whole four years of college, I was like, I hate you guys, you guys suck because you made me do this. Um But at the same time, like, I mean it, it worked out I guess, so that's fine. No.


What? So the C. F. P. Is the certified financial planner correct? How have you? I'm not I'm familiar with the certification and not familiar with the study path. What does that entail?


Um It kind of depends. So you have to have like some sort of like in class, like instructional hours, like sit for the exam, so minds through like Kaplan who they do like a lot of different like exam preps. So um I do like classes through Kaplan like twice a week at night and it's like a whole year, so it's it's been a long journey first.


I can imagine. Are you finding it to be of useful information and something that you're enjoying?


Yeah, I would say it's pretty useful because prior because I I work for the advisor, so like I do like any form of like portfolio trading, I do any form of day trading, any term of selling etcetera. So it makes sense what I'm doing. And then there's also other aspects to where I'm like, I've wanted to know that before and now I actually have the opportunity, so I'm interested in it as opposed to like the series seven if you know what that is. So like the series seven, I took that when I first started and I was like, I don't know what any of this is.


And


None of this makes any sense to me, I don't get it, it's not applicable to me, but this is kind of different I guess like in this aspect so yeah.


do you have to have the series seven in order to have the C. F. P. Or are those very independent of each other?


Um You need a series seven like to basically work at vanguard. I know that. So I got my C. F. P. Like right when I graduated college so um yeah but you don't know the question about the cf you think? Yes.


So when you're you're doing your C. F. P. Is there an exam that you're taking at the end of this that you're you said in to a few days you're taking an exam where it's just the course done in a few days


My course is done in a few days. My exams in december.


on december. Okay. Have you taken any practical practice exams yet for the C. F. P.


Um Not yet. I'm supposed to like next week I think so hopefully I won't be too distracted to oh kind of nervous but it's fine.


Well you know what I what I love about the certification exams and I know you know for where I am with cyber and risk. It's a little bit different where it's not like a pre wrecked to get a job. But I also know and that feeling of having to take the exam having a you know past because you put so much time and effort into it as well. Um It's a stressful time. It's it's not the easiest time in the world and you're trying to get through the test makers and trying to figure out what they're doing to trick you along the way. It's tough. So I totally understand where you're coming from. I haven't taken the cfe but I'm sure it's certainly a long road but gonna be a fruitful one, it sounds like at the end of it when you get your CFT, what's that next step? Or like you automatically get promoted at vanguard for example or how does that situation work?


yeah you have to apply for it so I'm currently doing both at once just because the opportunity is there so I'm doing


Well


it before I have my certification. What you can do you can do that as long as you're in the program. So my whole like past few months have also been like networking like stuff like that which I hate but you gotta


What don't you like about networking?


I mean it's easier I guess in a work from home environment but sometimes I just don't know what to say. And also I really suffer from like imposter syndrome hardcore. So I I don't like talking about myself a lot because I always I'm like I don't know I mean the imposter syndrome is real. I learned about that recently like some like event I went to for work and I was like wow that was too real. Mhm.


Yeah, I I know that feeling but you know it's funny like when you take that retro step back and you're thinking of people at least in my mind because I go through that as well and you're like well people must be thinking all these things and I'm thinking


Good.


to myself, I never think these things about other people. So what if they are thinking about even if they are whatever, you know, I'm not a big deal, but I know what you mean. It's you know, it's it's a lot of changes, especially going from college to a role where, you know, it's certainly a very awesome role and you need a certification on top of that in order to prove that, you know, it's a lot of change, but it's fun change at the same time. So again, I I know the feeling, I know the feeling very well.


I'm glad


Um Do you have to find uh clients through Bangor? Do they supply you with clients?


they supply of clients which is why I like working there. It's not like a sales type thing. I know other institutions are like that usually um like from previous people who work there. So.


And now you're vanguard? So I know vanguard mostly from they're they're wonderful. Either index funds, mutual funds where the, what you call it, I think it's mostly index funds right? Where your expense ratio is very low, so I very much appreciate the low expense ratio vanguard funds that are out there.


Yeah that's what everyone,


But


it's always like they're selling point, like the low cost stuff. I was like


for


the wal


what's


mart.


the big line, $6 for every $10,000 invested goes to vanguard or something like that. It's a pretty good marketing. It works. It's cheap. I mean it's certainly cheaper than what 90% of all the other E. T. F. S. Out there but it's a C. F. P. I think you need to you need to know that all different gametes right? It's not just stock. So if you have to go into real estate knowledge and things that are a little bit outside of the the realm of what I would look at the stock market for.


So true. Yeah, like life insurance, estate planning, um Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, just a lot of other things too, which is I think my favorite is probably a state planning the trip, which is kind of cool. Um My first job was um I used to work in like our inheritance department, so I used to actually have like a book of like deceased clients and I used to have to like basically move all of the assets to beneficiaries. Um That was a whole thing, that was like my first position like at vanguard. Um So it came with that was a lot of um like a state law as well, so like, it was kind of, it was cool, that's why I kind of engaged me at first actually into like wanting to go into something like that. So


Oh that's interesting.


different.


It's be honest. I know nothing about estate planning or anything along those lines. I probably should know more about it but I know Jack diddly squat when it comes to estate planning. Um So you said you like what what was it about a state planning that sort of drew you in?


Well, I don't know, I feel like it's because I'm like very like forward. I'm usually a very forward thinker. Life's weird right now. So like, I don't ever think forward anymore, but for usually in other situations, I usually like to really think forward. So like having like, just like being able to help people like plan for things like that. Um it's cool because I, what worked in a lot of situations where people had zero planning, zero anything. So the people responsible for picking up the slack would be like, you know, sad family members and like us. So it was just kind of sad, you know, you never want to be in a situation like that. So, I mean,


Uh My mother currently is she's not told you know she's 65 or so. Um But to be candid it really hasn't done any type of estate planning at all and you know long term health insurance and all that fun stuff isn't really something that's on her her docket. So I've been trying to talk about that with her and ends up being a fairly uncomfortable conversation many of the times. I don't know much about it and then she really doesn't want to talk about it all that much either. But I know that again I should probably know a little bit more about because it would be good to know, especially with my mother who's she wants to retire. Let me take that back. She claims that she doesn't want to retire that she wants to work. But I also know that like if she had the financial resources to retire, she probably be just fine with it. So I always enjoy the line that she tells me, Oh yeah, yeah, I'll work until I'm dead. Like I think you want the optimum of figuring out if you don't want to work until that time and she's a very social, but it's painful to see

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah.


What?


because I do want to make sure that just well taken care of for the 65 over time frame and obviously doesn't really know what's going to happen with your health and you're not going knock on wood, she's healthy right now. But you know, you never know. I was also blown away by how much it costs for like long term health care or you go into a nursing home or


That's


some of those


it's really sad seeing that like especially like I remember in that department I also had people who were like basically about to die so kind of a morbid role honestly. But like the people who are about to die like those people had a lot of expenses like money taken out like on like a monthly or yearly basis just to pay for like nursing homes. So it's crazy that


what


that's like so expensive. Um And like you


it really


also care about


is.


yeah and you also care about on the news like there was one I like it was like the local news like where I'm at and there was like some like


nursing home facility or whatever that like was like badly treating, I'm sure that happens everywhere like badly treating like like the nursing like the nothing like the people who lived there like the elderly. Um Like I've heard a lot of like a good thing and I was like a huge scandal and then also recently like all of the places that are getting covid from it which is like so sad. So.


yeah. And have you ever visited a nursing home? Did you ever have a loved one in a nursing


No.


home? It's so my great grandmother was in a nursing home and we went over there. She was she had a little bit of dimension that terrible. But enough where like she forgot some basic things and she always thought when she was at the nursing home that she was at a she was on a cruise so she was always looking for the cruise director, the director or you know going over to the buffet. You walked in and you looked around holy moly. This is a very sad state of affairs for the vast majority of people. And then like you start looking at the prices of it, like that's the price for this like holy molly.


Yeah. I was so sad.


I know. And so you know, I'm hoping that uh you know obviously we can get that squared away, but you know, even for like myself even,


Well


I don't really know from the standpoint of whether it's your age, my age, like what am I really even supposed to start getting long term care insurance for example. Like many of this stuff is very fuzzy to me because life insurance, Okay, I get it. Um you know fairly well, excuse me, well known and something that pretty typical for this age group. But yeah, long term care, not something that a bunch of 20 or 30 year old, we'll talk about all that often yet, shouldn't we? I don't know. I don't know what that answer is.


I know it's it's really weird. It's also like weird especially like right now where people like our age are getting more and more sick with things like covid for example. Um It just like kind of like makes you wonder because like honestly for me personally like when this all first started I was like I think we'll be fine as young people. Um It's just it's like older people that are dying but that was very ignorant of me to think because like it's also really impacting younger people as well.


It is, it is I've noticed that uh the numbers have been going up a little bit. I haven't, to be honest, I have not really been following the news very often on this anymore because I feel like any time I follow the news, it's the exact same story of like, oh, there's more cases of Covid going up and I feel like the news is sort of telling us at the end of the newscast. Well, good luck with your hope in your life. You know, we're just going to give you all the bad hole possible. I just got sick of watching the exact same thing all the time. So I finally, I stopped watching it. I stopped getting the alerts on my phone like yeah, I get the drift. You got a pandemic going on? I get, you know, I don't really mind it every five seconds.


you chose


So


chose


I think that's very,


a good time because it's like a disaster right now. Like I mean I still get notifications. I have this app that like tells me like the cases in my area every day and I just kind of skip it now because I'm like oh god but um that on top of like everything going on with the presidential election stuff it's just kind of like a disaster right now also. Or do you located like where you live?


I'm based in new york city yourself,


Oh cool. That's cool. I'm in charlotte north Carolina.


charlotte north Carolina. I love charlotte charlotte is a


Yeah.


do this. I've been down there with five times, you know, certainly not somewhere I go all the time, but the majority of my family is in north Carolina. I'm one of the, you know, the Yankees of the north and I was born up here and my father was up here for a bit of time as well. My daughters and backgrounds. My apologies. Um, but


Yeah


going back to north Carolina, uh, my father was, let me take another step back. I'm getting diverted with my daughter yelling a little bit. Um, my, my family is pretty much all military except for me. I'm not a military guy and they were based in Fort Bragg and quantico. So I went down to north Carolina, went down to Fayetteville very, very often and then from there the family dispersed. So some of the family went over to Winston Salem, someone's in charlotte. So I was able to go to charlotte. I love the buildings in charlotte, everything feels very


I


fresh and brand new


thank


over there.


you.


Um, and then Wilmington is where a lot of my other cousins are. And then they, the family with a few neighbors, they were able back in like the eighties to get a, a beach house together in topsail island, which they just recently sold.


What?


Um, but we would go down there every once in a while and go to the beach house and it was a very lovely event. But yeah, north Carolina is very near and dear to my side of the family.


Cool. Yeah awesome. I'm from Virginia originally I moved here like two years ago. I'm from like by D. C. Area. But um I was just in new york city like around christmas time I was I went for the first time.


For the first time this, uh, this thanksgiving or this december.


Yeah this past christmas time I went. It was awesome actually because my friend he just moved to um uh crap what's it called? New Jersey, what's that place called? Hoboken? Yeah so he moved there so we went to go visit him and then we spent like most of our time like being tourist in New york city it was fun, it was really fun.


nothing wrong with that. In fact, I feel like I'm still a tourist over here, you know, going to check out some of the shows and some of the events, where did you, did you stay with him in Jersey or did you stay in the city?


Yeah we stayed with him in the city um sorry with him in Hoboken and it was cool too because it was around the time like santa con was a thing so it was really fun to go to like all the bars and stuff and like it was so cool.


Uh santa con is a ton of fun, I haven't done it in a few years, you know, you know these people over here, but it's so much fun and you know, if you were really in normal times and I'm confident that new york is gonna be much back into what you saw back in 2000 and 19 and what it was probably now or it's a little bit new did and not just that time of year, but it's ST Patrick's Day, Halloween is so much fun. Normally in the city, everyone's dressed up this big parade going down the West Village and I've gone there many of years. It's just a very it's very vibrant city. I've always loved it even now. I know that you know, obviously just like everywhere else, everything is very quiet. But you know, the city is still alive, right? It's where the people with like the West Village, Hoboken probably is another example of that. Some other areas you wanna walk around. You probably think that, you know, we're back in 2019, the touristy areas. Those the pictures you see where it's just desolate, right? You know, like Times Square, Grand Central Station, I don't know, like Fifth Avenue and probably like that as well. So yeah, it's it's it's changing, but you know, everything happens for a reason, right? So, you know, maybe this ends up changing some of the the monetary figures of some of the real estate that we see up here. It's it's a little pricey, but I'll tell you, I love charlotte and it's a great place to be. So, that's really awesome that you do live in charlotte. How have you found that transition from Virginia down to charlotte?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Right


I honestly really enjoy it, I've been a lot of people here and it's been great. Um I do miss my friends dearly my friends all live in D. C. Like all of my friends from college so that's the part that I missed the most but thankfully I can go visit them you know it's just like drive away. It's not that bad. Six hours away I'll do it. Um I go often I have it recently from Covid but um that's really the only thing I miss the most. Just like my friends truthfully. But I mean I've been able to do a lot here as well. I've met so many great people here as well,


I'm sure I'm sure I had a my aunt lived off was I 66 in Virginia 64 66.


And that, yeah, the traffic was abominable over


traffic


there, but


I don't miss that. Yeah that had to


Um, but the restaurant scene was really fun over there. I met some of my cousins friends when I was down there and they were great, very much enjoyed it. They loved Virginia. They love that. Like it almost has a bit of a government feel to it as well, that surprisingly, you're very well aware of, what do you want to stay in charlotte or are you uh are you thinking of going somewhere else this time moves on in normal times?


oh gosh who knows? I am going through a crazy period of my life right now which sucks. So I have no idea right now. I'm trying to just like I don't know what I'm gonna do but we'll see I'm optimistic. I'll figure it out. But yeah


Yeah, Well I hope that everything works out on, on that front and that. I always like to call myself a bit of a cock eyed optimist as well. I think I got that from the Cosby show line or cheers or something like that from the eighties. But um, you know, it's a great way to look at life and know that hey, you've got a lot of stuff going on right now, but knowing that things will certainly go for the better over the next few months and years is certainly a positive attitude to have. Um, I believe that it's 25. Right? So I think we're pretty good to go here. Well. Hey, um, I really appreciate media and having the conversation. Good luck with everything.


if


And of course,


he was what?


good luck on the exam to, uh, and everything else that you were talking about as well and a question to meet you


Yeah have a good day. Bye.


Youtube. Bye bye.


Thank you. Really?


Hi, can you hear me? Awesome, how


you do?


we're cool, cool. We have matching a terrific. It's that Yeah, you're doing well, how are you doing? Yeah.


Been pretty good, I mean it's the weekend so if it excited about that. Uh May I ask what your name is?


Oh my name is Angela. Uh huh.


nice to meet you. I'm steven


Hi steven, nice to meet you. Yeah.


Uh You wanna tell


Are you?


little bit about yourself?


Oh sure. Well um I live in California,


Always?


I don't know if that's where you are


That's


but


where I am right now?


okay. Gotcha. Yeah, because I was thinking it's late at night because you know sometimes I talk to people and they're from the east Coast, like on you know on the study


What?


and they're like oh it's so late and it's like oh it's not late for me, but I always wonder where people are. Yeah.


Uh what part of California, if you don't mind me asking?


Oh yeah, in Los Angeles near like yeah, yeah. Southern California people. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah.


So


So yeah


I have a


family.


the


east of Uh huh.


I'm married with two kids, they're they're both pretty young, so yeah just living a life of a busy


This


mom with young kids and helping them, you know with schooling, you know during this pandemic, so that's the major thing helping them through that. Yes. What about you?


Uh So actually I'm I'm in California, staying with family right now but I actually I work in up in Seattle uh but yeah I'm just here down to visit because we're all work from home right now, so there's really no need to go in the office, I was like might as well spend more time with family. Uh Oh yeah.


Uh Very neat. Very neat. Yeah. I've only visited


it's


Seattle once. So


you did


did


you


did you move up there like


like


that? Like were you up there for a long time, many years or what?


I I moved there straight out of college and I've been working there for about three years. Yeah,


okay.


pretty decent amount of time. Yeah.


Yeah. Yeah. Very neat. Very neat.


That did you uh did you grow up in L. A. Or did you move there for like family or work or, yep.


I grew up here


Here


so


it's funny


much?


you know you asked my name Angela. So


All


my my name is actually named after Los Angeles. Yeah.


that's cool.


Funny. I always tell people that little trivia when


it's


I meet people. Uh.


a neat act, right,


Yeah. Did


Just


you did you grow or where did you grow up or? Yeah.


uh I grew up in the san Jose Bay Area. Yeah there is yeah. So short like six hour drive down now. Yeah, I grew up in san Jose, lived here through like high school, then I went to college on the East Coast then after college I went to Seattle something kind of all it


No


all over


no.


the place. Yeah.


Oh yeah you've been around like all being all across the U. S. That's me. That's it. Would you say that there's like


But


out


I


of like


what


northern California, East


make these


Coast


coats?


Seattle? Is there part like a part that's like your favorite or is there, I don't know. Yeah.


California because I mean that's where I grew up where my family is. If I'm used to, the weather here is a lot nicer than it is like over on the east coast. At least where I was, I was in north Carolina. And the weather there is kind of like, it's very sporadic. Like one day it's like snow in the next day. It's like sunny and it's like, whoa, what, what has happened? So yeah, you don't really get that in California. So yeah,


huh.


California's really nice and just, it's very diverse, right? There's a lot of different people which I like. So Yeah, probably California


No.


for sure is my favorite.


Oh that's neat. That's neat. Yeah. I've only visited like as a tourist, you know, different areas. But yeah, I've only lived in L. A. So I always wonder what it would be like to live somewhere else, you know, for a long time. Yeah, that's need to hear from people.

Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah.


Are there any favorite places that you visited?


Oh I love, I love going to like new countries and I love exploring. So yeah, it was


It


neat


was.


when I was young, I was in a choir and so my parents like,


ST


you know, would would send


sweet.


me on these with these choir


What?


trips and


Good. But


and I realized later I was like wow, like


like


the


that


the airplane


airplane


costs


cuts


are like a lot, you know,


all


for international flights and I was just a kid and I


It


was like


thinking


back,


that.


I'm like, wow,


Well,


I'm so


grateful


that I got to do


to do


so


So we


we


got


to


go


on


trips to


like europe and um,


about a few


different


countries


in Asia,


in Asia.


like Singapore, Indonesia, um


Mm.


Taiwan


Wanted


and


it.


so


So


I remember


like


like when


when


I


was


writing


frankly


my


fun, call


college


it


essays,


Destiny, I


um, I wrote


wrote


about


how, especially


especially


I was


in Indonesia, um, I saw


No.


a lot of poverty there and


it was very like mind


unformed.


blowing for me because you're in, you know,


You


Los


know Los


Angeles,


Angeles?


it's,


It's


I mean, you know, I know


I know


that there's,


that there's


you know, poor parts. Um,


you


you know, so


know


I'm not


sometimes


saying we're all rich,


rich


but


I mean,


the game,


you know,


just


know, just


seeing


the


people


living in


who can


sheds


shout


practically


how to break


and


it. Oh


it was like,


was


my


like


eyes were really open to like how grateful I should be to live in the United States where I have like you know, bathroom, you know running water like you know no squatty potties. You know it's like yeah so I really appreciate that experience. So I really want to like um travel like with my kids and have them experience you know different cultures and stuff like that too. You know it's kind of sad because we've been moving slowly towards traveling like farther and farther. But then now the pandemic kind

mhm. Yeah. Mhm, mm hmm. Sure. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah.


All


of put everything on hold so we'll see.


we'll see. Yeah, I mean do you, did you have a place in mind that you wanted to go to once you know things get a little bit better.


Oh well. Yeah I mean um I mean right now we're doing like the U. S. So like I love I'm like I love varieties. I love going to new places so some places that I haven't gone to yet or like um I heard of like Zion Zion national park. Like I love going to different, you know, nature spots and I've never been to Yellowstone. So yeah, I feel like I just like to check off like every single site so that I haven't been to yet. So yeah. Dude, do you feel like you, you and your family like have more of the, like it seems like you have a very adventurous side, you know, I don't know, like my, some of my family doesn't like to travel. Like I'm talking about like my brother or sister, like I don't know how it is for you, but, or I don't know if your only child,

Mhm. Right. Mhm. Yeah. Nice. Uh huh. Mhm.


I


but


have an older sister. We


I've


don't


been.


travel all that much anymore, but when we're younger uh we would fly back to Hong kong to visit their family


Good.


a lot. So we did that a couple of times. Uh We've also gone to uh Canada is pretty close, Mexico is like right there too. Uh And then my sister has also gone to Spain and Australia so she's a probably a lot more travel than I. Yeah.


That's cool. So it's like your whole family travels. Okay. That's very cool. Yeah. Can I ask like what field of work you're in in saddle or? It was, I can tell it's some sort of something you can do over the computer.


Yeah I'm a software engineer so we can we just work on the computer all day. Yeah.


That's cool. Do you think that I keep reading articles where there's different companies that say stuff like, um, like they're not, they're going to keep doing, um, you know,


Like


now


work


from


forget


home


the


forever. Yeah.


Yeah.


Have you heard that in circles or your friends circles or no, No.


I do read up there's like online forums where like other like tech professionals talk about this kind of stuff. I know I heard uh I think twitter said they would be work from home permanently, a drop box that they would be work for him permanently. And then I know a couple of big companies like google facebook Microsoft, they all said like work from home at least for another year or so. So like I think that's definitely gonna be the trend because I think companies are realizing like oh like people are still productive and we don't have to pay for all this building space so we don't have to pay for these perks, right? It's like why why not let them work from home? So I think I think a lot of people are pretty happy about it. I know some people prefer going into the office which I get. But for me personally I like working from home. I like not commuting and all that stuff so. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Uh huh. All right. Mm hmm. Uh huh. Yeah. Uh huh. Mhm Yeah. Yeah. Uh


huh.


So. Yeah.


Cool. Have you, have you ever heard of the like the Myers Briggs like introvert? Extrovert? Like, I wonder how much that plays into it. Like are you like, are you an introvert or an extrovert?


Uh definitely introvert I'm assuming since you asked like


I


you've


don't.


taken the test before. Yeah. Do you mind if I ask like what personality type of uh


Oh no, not at all. I love talking about it. That's like one of my favorite things to talk about what you call. I don't know why but um I'm an I. S. F. J. Yeah.


whoa okay. That that's really close to me. I'm a I'm an I. S. T. J. But like I'm like right at 50 50 for like F versus T. Like that can go either way. All right.


sounds cool. You know it's really funny when I took that test in college. I was a I. S. T. J. And then


no.


and I'm gonna kept taking it more because I kept being like well yeah like like you know they would have those questions about like like a judge like should they rule with their you know with their logic or with their heart and I was like constantly like um you know saying with their logic like I'm very like yeah I'm very like rational use my thoughts and you know that kind of stuff and then I don't know how I changed. Maybe I'm like maybe I'm a 60 40 or something 60 F. And 40 t I don't know what I am but like yeah so I hear you. yeah


Do you do you have


any theories about why there's been kind of like a shift towards


no


like F.


yeah I don't know if it's my age like just I feel like but I don't know I don't know if that's true like because I feel like when I was young like when I was like in high school you know junior high you know my friends they would like so I'm I'm one of those people where I don't like people I hope that I hope this doesn't sound bad.


Like I don't


don't


mean


I


to sound


totally


judgmental


get what you mean.


but like back then like I was very like I would tell my fault sorry my throat. Uh


Don't worry.


I would tell my friends like not to cuss so like they were very like oh Angela's here don't cuss you know like because I would be like don't cuss like you know I was like their moms or something you know I was like and it was like, so I think I was very like, rule oriented and I was like, you know, do the right thing, be good, you know, kind of stuff mentality growing up. And then like, when I when I got older like in college and um I saw, you know, um we would go to um serve homeless people and we would talk to people about like, you know, how did you become homeless? I think in the beginning I was very judgmental of people who are homeless, like, well

Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Right. Yeah. Mhm.


What?


you like, didn't you were lazy, you didn't work hard enough like, and then you became homeless and then you see people have different family situations and um different circumstances


It's just


maybe sometimes beyond their control, you know, people who were vets, you know, and they have mental problems from seeing awful things. And then I feel like as I as I got older and older I saw different people's experiences and I saw like, oh there's more gray


in the world than I thought. Like I I used to think more black and white and I still like, do you think very black and white a lot? Like I'm


Like


not saying I don't at all, but like right is right and you know, wrong is wrong, you know, I do think that way a lot. So,


so


but then I just realized there's more and more great like and yeah, like wow, like I don't know like this, like I just see how there's different reasons people do stuff and I don't know, I'm getting all deep.


no, it's great. Yeah.


No. So yeah, that's a great question.


Okay. Yeah. I feel like kind of like a similar experience, you know, just like going to college, you're just more exposed to different things. Like I feel like growing up you're kind of get into a bubble, right? But then like when you're off in college you're exposed to more things and you're more understanding of like different experiences or stuff like that, so yeah, I definitely feel like what you're saying right there. Yeah.


Yeah. Cool. Yes, I know, I do. Have you felt like, I mean obviously I can tell that you're an asian like and you mentioned like you know it's more diverse in California. So I was wondering like um like has has being an asian person like has that shaped like um your identity? Okay. Maybe this is


I


too deep I'm


would not


asking


go go


for it, go for it. Mhm.


don't know just I think this pandemic like especially in the beginning like you know with you know uh you know it being called you know china virus and different things like I experienced some you know racism and related to it and so I'm just thinking I'm just guessing that you probably did like on the east coast or I don't know have you experienced anything like you know since you've been back?


No, honestly, I think I've been really fortunate, like I I can only remember like one instance in my entire life where I like felt um like I was being treated differently because of my race, like even on the east Coast like, so I was


So.


in north Carolina, so it's like kind of closer to the south where people, I think in general, like I don't want to say everyone, but in general little less tolerant of other cultures, right? And I actually never really experienced like any issues there. Um I think part of that might just be I was on campus a lot and didn't go. so like again like it's kind of like uh on campus, it's again another bubble we're kind of in. So maybe I was lucky maybe I like self selected into not putting myself in those situations kind of thing. Um So yeah. Yeah, I've been very fortunate in that sense. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Oh yeah. Uh huh. Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Right. Uh huh


That's neat. That's neat because my my parents live in an area where so I'm chinese you know are ethnically and chinese american. And so my parents live in an area that's um very chinese.


All


So there is a lot of like chinese supermarkets and you know lots of chinese writing everywhere. And so there's this one time like I was um the bridesmaid for when my friends from college and so I was in the car with her and um like


Like


we were leaving the the um like rehearsal, the wedding rehearsal


Such


and so


so


her mother in law, so


she


had married a caucasian man um from texas


texas?


and


It's


so her mother in law was in the car with us and we were driving through the area where my parents are and she was commenting like wow like this is a lot of like chinese signs, like she was like very confused like he was like what's going on? Like she


bit of like


was like


shock for her. Yeah.


So then it made me realize like wow, like what would be like to live in texas or I don't know in other places where like I would miss, you know, chinese food and like just so much that I take for granted, you know, like, but it is part of my like cultural identity, like I feel like I'm half and half like I'm half american and I'm half asian, you know? Or I don't know, I


Ricky


started


people go ahead.


Oh no, no, now I started watching these like youtube channels like wang fu and stuff like that and like I just feel like because I live in an area that is um I'm like one of the few asian people here and so um so right now and so and so I feel like I needed to like connect with my asian side for some reason and I was like, I guess the way I could do this through youtube. I know


No,


that sounds weird, but


no, for sure. Like there's just aren't that many, like you mentioned wang fu other than them, there aren't that many like, like asian media sources really. So like it can be hard to like, you know, connect with those people unless they're like living with them. Right. Yeah. Yes.


Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah.


I remember I was so excited when like Crazy Rich asians came out right? So I made, I made my husband watch it like it's not like a romantic comedy kind of person but like, but I remember watching so my husband's caucasian actually. So um yeah, I remember watching it with him and being

Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Mhm. Yeah.


Thanks.


like, do I identify with this or do I not identify with what is going on? Like, well these parts are kind of weird like and feeling like it's like I'm showing it to my husband as if it's supposed to represent me, but then it doesn't like, what do you mean? Like it's like well


for


part of it. So I would tell him, well this part I identify with this part is like what, I don't know what's going on. So I don't know if you watched it.


Yeah I watched it yeah. What do you think of the movie? Did you enjoy it?


um Overall it was it was good but like, but I would have to say that um um Joy Luck Club, that's like a really old one. But I definitely felt, I mean I know they're in different genre genres because that's on drama and Crazy Rich Asians is like comedy but like um I just maybe it was the scenes of like of the people enjoy the club, like from the moms, like from the old country. Like


Like


I felt like I could understand my mom better or like, you know my grandma, you know like that culture like kind of understanding like what what's, you know in my heritage versus like


click


crazy, crazy crazy graduations was


What?


like very modern. Like I know that the mom of the male lead, like she had that the traditional stuff going on, but like other than her it was, I couldn't relate to a lot. It was like a little too


Two


modern for me, I guess I'm too traditional, I don't know,


I guess I think I know what you mean like I feel like other than their certain some elements that were like unquote asian right? But I feel like a large large parts of it. Like if you just recast everyone is like white like I feel like it wouldn't have changed that much.


If that's a good point, right,


like I think


and you're out of it that way.


yeah, I just didn't feel like it touched on like the asian elements that much as I would expect from like you know like a fully asian cast kind of thing. So yeah that's that's how I felt about it like like


but


did I enjoy


just


it? Yes, but like I mostly watch it because it was like all asian probably like


great.


I might not have watched it if it wasn't. Yeah.


Yeah, yeah, that's a really good point, you're right. Yeah, that makes me because I'm like, I can't quite put my finger on it, but I feel like you put your finger on it, so yeah, thanks.


Yeah, no problem. Yeah.


huh.


Mhm. So


Okay.


uh good good.


Oh no, go ahead. I feel like I'm talking way too much.


no, not at all. I was gonna ask uh like uh when you have a little time on your hands, you're not taking care of the kids and all that, like what kind of things do you like doing?


Oh yeah, I've been, I do feel like I'm kind of lazy lately, so I just, I just watch stuff like I'm not one of those people who like knit and I wish I could do all that like crochet or when, I don't know like,


but um, I did


thanks


knit when I was a kid, but


that


anyway, so I just watched


what


stuff. So


so


like, like


like


I mentioned like youtube. So I've been watching like this guy called Frank James. I think that's his


I haven't


on


heard of it.


youtube. So like he, he does these like comedy skits on regarding um, I the Myers


Life.


Briggs stuff. So I'm totally into that right now. Yeah. So he, he will portray like all 16 personalities. So he'll do a situation like Jose,


That's it.


you know, all 16 personalities as a boss. All of them as a teacher, all of them as like a girlfriend or you know, whatever. Like, so he's like, it's really funny and I keep trying to be like, wait, is that me? Like, and I'll point it out to my husband. Wait, is that you? You know? So yeah,


Yeah.


that's what I'm into right now


That


just discovering


fun.


new Youtubers, you know, funny funny Youtubers who like make me laugh and stuff like that. Yeah, there's a bunch of comedians on there. There are really hilarious. Yeah. What about you? What do you like to do in your spirit?


I I like being active but that's a little harder now that we're all cooped in side. Like I still do like a home workout but like I can't go play basketball, which I really like doing. So other than that I actually don't have that much free time on my hands right now. I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to find a new job so uh I'm spending a lot of time preparing for that. Uh Other


than that I do like watch Tv watching T. V. Or Youtube and all that. So yeah that's pretty


Do


much it.


you have do you have favorite shows or genres like that you like to watch?


I like a lot of dramas like comedy, comedy is great. I like like um dystopian like I really dramatic like oh like the world is ending. Like how like I


I


like


am.


watching like how do people react or like how did they approach situations when they're like in really desperate times kind of


When?


thing and the moral dilemmas that kind of stuff like I am really into. Uh Yeah I said those are probably my two favorite genres. Yeah.


Oh that's me. That's me. Do you watch with like


What?


with your family or do you watch by yourself? Like are they into that or?


Uh Both like some things I just watched on my own other things that we like to watch together uh like right now we're watching a show called Kim's Convenience, Have you heard of that one?


I heard of it. Wait, what


platform do you watch that on? And I've been wondering how to get on it.


it's on netflix. Yeah, it's it's fantastic. Yeah.


So you watch it with your family


So actually


you're seeing? Right.


I watched that on my own and then they saw me watching it and they're like oh wow, that's so funny. So after I finished, we started again all the way from the beginning, we're watching it together as a family.


Oh, that's so cool. Very cool. Yes.


Yes.


I'll have to check that out one of these days. How many seasons are there?


There's four right now and I think they said they're definitely coming out with the fifth one. Yeah. Yeah, that's really good.


You're exciting. We've been, we've been trying to watch like the Disney movies as a family. So because we have two girls, so you know, they're into the princess thing. So like, yeah, they were kind of scared at first of the like scary stains. So we're trying

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, nice. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Oh


no.


to like kind of, you know, gently move into it or yeah.


Yeah. Do you guys have like a Disney plus subscription? Yeah.


at the start of the pandemic, we subscribed. It's like, okay, we really need some stuff. Yeah. Yeah.


Are you guys mostly watching like the like older animated, like Disney movies or like the newer stuff or like a mix?


Yeah. A mix. We noticed that like a lot of them, like the older ones have like um some really scary scenes, but then like Toy Story isn't as scary. I mean, there's a little bit of a scary scene and then like tank they really love tangled that one like it wasn't that scary. So Yeah, but then like the older ones like just like these you know evil like you know green face. I don't know like you know, they have like it's like


So.


having nightmares like oh


it doesn't have to be so scary like. Yeah. But yes, yes,


Have


we're trying to through it.


uh have you guys watched like the new Mulan or are you guys planning on watching?


Oh no, we


No.


haven't watched it yet, but


What?


I don't think I'm gonna pay like what's it? $30?


Yeah, that's what we were thinking. We're like that so much.


For me it had such bad reviews like if it had good reviews maybe I would have paid the money for it. But then again, I I watched some Youtube reviews about it and it was like, so I was like so sad because I love the cartoon version. You know? So I was like, so you haven't seen it?


No, no. Uh We might watch it. So like, I think they said like later this year, they'll release it like so


like everyone could watch it without, you know, paying the $30 figure, whatever. Uh


huh


So we might watch it then, but like you said, like reviews weren't that great. Like I was reading like one there's like no mu shu, there's like no songs, it's like, oh, those are my two favorite parts. Yeah. So I don't know. Uh


it sounds like a martial, like almost a martial art, like it's just all fighting like do you like those kinds of movies like?


actually I do I do like martial arts movies. Yeah I've been watching one in a while but in general yeah


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't seen,


See.


I mean I haven't seen a lot like I saw like Crouching Tiger and Dragon or like, you know, and then I don't know if Jackie chan counts because he's like comedy martial arts, but he's like awesome. I'm like wow. Like that he has skills. Uh huh

Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Uh Right. Yeah. Yeah for sure.


Mhm.


mm


Yeah.


Oh well cool. I was so nice to talk to you and


Very


meet you.


to meet you too Angela.


Yeah, well good luck with your new job search and everything for sure.


Thanks. I'll try my best.


Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It looks like we're I think that's enough time. Right.


Yeah I think we're good.


thing. Okay.


All right


It was


well nice


Nice to


meeting


see


you.


you. Okay, bye.


bye.


Yeah, yeah, mm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, mm, mm. Mhm. Oh Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.


Hey


How's it going?


Pretty good.


Um I can't see you at all by the way. Okay.


to remind that I just woke up from a nap later. Yeah. Uh huh. I had to wake up to do this sitting alarm.


Um how's your day going?


I still take up too late to take a nap.


just started. Fair enough. Um Yeah, these are always kind


push.


of weird. Take a little bit to get going. I don't know.


Yeah. So is this your more than you've done it before? Right.


Yeah, just once we spend like 10 minutes talking about how it works, which I don't know if that's what they were


Just


looking


one


for


of


him,


the time


but


I tried to do it a second time yesterday but either I joined too late or they joined too late so no one is there


yeah, I think they let you


no


reschedule


problem? Yeah.


fair number of times. The


Yeah that's why that's why I'm on today. I did one a few days ago and then tried to do yesterday and now it's today


so um what part of the country are you in?


and then florida Miami. Right?


I'm not in Washington


Stay there in Washington D. C.


ST yeah,


we've seen all those memes of people were probably in Oregon but and here they were like the legalization of like every drug decriminalization of every drug in Oregon.


no I haven't, I mean it's probably a good step. Uh I don't know, I'm not what do I say, don't really partake in that stuff anymore, but I don't really care if anybody does. Um


Yeah.


Yeah, no I think it's a good step, A lot of them have therapeutic value as well. Um But I don't think it's I don't I don't think it's the kind of thing that you can just taken assume it will be beneficial


What?


I guess if you if you want


stuff


what?


like psychedelic you're talking you're talking about like psychedelics right? Her. Yeah I agree with that. Like a lot of people just expect to take it and they're like oh my life is gonna change like no, you have to like like open like


Hey can you lean to


I don't. Uh huh. Bye bye.


There you go. Yeah, I just want to make sure we get paid. I think they have to be able to see your face in order to uh Yeah.


But


Um So uh Yeah. Yeah no I agree. I I think I think in the end it would


one


be better if it was all legal because then people wouldn't be doing


mug links and killing each other


yeah or or even like thank you. Like it used to be


first. All right.


to get LSD and you knew it was LSD because the guy who was making it, I don't know if, I don't think it was a guy who originally created it, but the guy who was making it, he was making so much that that it was basically impossible to make money


execute


off of it if you or anyone else. So, but nowadays because he got thrown in prison, you don't know if what you're getting is actually are empty or if it's research


pretty


chemical and some of the research chemical like LSD, if you take a lot, you


Ever?


probably aren't going to have a good time, we won't kill you. But some of the research chemicals, you can take a lot, it will kill you. So, so


Yeah. The first time trying acid was with like 25 which is like the research chemicals. So like in the video because I could taste so I was like wow that's some bullshit and it's crazy because um I've never seen the movie Stepbrothers with Will Ferrell.


No, but it sounds funny,


Um Do you have you seen do you know the guy john c Reilly with the curly hair? He's an actor, he's like a big curly afro and he's white.


I think


Think of red.


he's like a, like a I don't know how to put this other than an uglier uh Seth Rogan. Yeah.


He's like he's like older and uglier. Yeah. No, but she his son actually gave me that acid so it's all good has been through it. Cool.


that's pretty red.


It was bad. Like it wasn't terrible but it just wasn't us like it would say.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh I think there's been some interesting trials like mushrooms will not mushrooms and tell us that the active compound for the side and seems to be pretty effective for for depression and anxiety, but um I don't know, we'll see, I hope, I hope uh people


Something in it.


like I think having stuff like this is good, but I think what would be better is if we didn't live in a society that made people want to


three.


look for things to fix their problems, um it would be better to just not have the problems in the first place or have less of them. Um


Especially those type of problems or it's like all in your head kind of all in your head but like


Yeah, it's


from his part with them.


you know, it's interesting you mentioned that because I think it's uh it kind of depends on


I think.


how you view for what your perception of mind is


And


and so I think it's very common in America, people kind


But


of


it


just assume that your mind is in your brain um


Yeah.


but if you really kind of dissect it, you cannot really


All


separate your mind from your environment, it's just not possible. So um in that sense um


happen.


yeah it's it is in your head, but it's also because your quote unquote head is inseparable from the environment, it's also in the environment, so so it's um don't put this for me personally, it became a lot easier to understand these kind of things when I stopped assuming it was like there was like some kind of discrete boundary, right? Um and then and then it became a lot easier to understand that. Uh huh. What?

Right. All right. All right, okay. Right, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Like it's not 100% in your control is what you're trying to say like.


Yeah. Yeah. To some extent, yeah, it's not, you can't like will power your way out of these things. Ah it's just not gonna happen. Uh But you know, I think the thing for a lot of people, if they don't have time, I would understand like if I was not, I have I have a fair li uh decent life. I have some free time. If I didn't have this a matter of time um I can understand that. It would be very difficult to


well.


to start to think about these things in a different way. Um Like if you don't have time, for example, I'm not saying that everybody should meditate if you don't have time two or energy to meditate daily than maybe it is better that you can go to a doctor and get some mushrooms. You know, I don't think the mushrooms are sustainable


and


solution, but it's at least going to give you a taste of what you might come to understand if you really


My brother actually


looking


is like he


for.


goes them and he's like really obsessed with them like that. It's gonna like change the world if everyone ate mushrooms. Kiss me.


They have that, they have that capacity.


it's


I would uh I don't know if your brother is into this thing, but I might consider encouraging him to look into chinese herbal medicine. Um


mm is big into


They


like


have.


he doesn't Western medicine at all think um like he doesn't go to the, I don't go to the doctor either, like the like american doctor type shit. I don't think medicine like


I think


that.


I think it's definitely the U. S. Medical system is pretty pretty shit. The doctors do. Most of them actually do care about. The system is just so bad that they don't have time or energy.


Um Like my brother, my other brother just got a hand surgery. I'm like they gave him like oxyCODONE and he's just been like taking him and take him and take him like without realizing what it's doing them. Like it's giving them like a terrible attitude when he doesn't take them like easy into


Yeah that's.


met shits, like a most the biggest industry in America at least.


Yeah. Yeah and it's


And


this.


unfortunate to they don't have a when they test drugs, I didn't realize this but you're basically allowed to run as many trials as you want until you get a positive result. Then you don't have to include the past trials in your analysis. So it doesn't make it doesn't make any sense. I mean that being said I will say like western medicine is good for for some areas like if you have an acute infection it's probably pretty good if you you need surgery, it's probably

Right. Yeah. Mm. Mhm. Okay. Right. Right.


People,


pretty good. Um


Yeah.


The kind of things were like something


there


happened


was


that we're going to die in the next day. You probably


I tell


that.


you you need stuff like surgery and like all these procedures when you don't actually like it's not that they make you think that like the surgery is necessary enough.


Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that. It's weird when you walk around the hospital you like, I don't know about in florida but at least up here even at like the public hospital. Well I'm not really I guess not really at the public hospital, but it's like the bigger hospitals, you'll walk around


Think


and you'll see like videos playing on the tv about like bah blah blah. Do you have any pain blah blah blah? Ask your doctor about um And it's like, well


Yeah the side effect that like half the commercial, they have the commercials on side effects like


Well no, this is not even like a drug commercial, this is just like an uh internal like advertisement


like


for their surgery to part like think they advertised like these free like information sessions at the hospital about knee surgery or whatever, right?


Yeah I've seen those probably haven't been in the hospital for everyone.


It's just kind of messed up. Uh uh Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. Hopefully, hopefully things change. Uh Mhm. Do you do any uh you do any like sailing or surfing? I guess there's nothing surfing in florida.


Um Yeah sailing. I'm actually about to go to this place called Fire Island where my dad lives and there's like a nice hobie cat sale but they're trying


We'll burn it, cocoa.


with the pontoon like with the trampoline and the pontoon. Do you surf sailing as the kids over here?


Yeah. Yeah, the thing is kind of one of the main, if you're going to do outdoor stuff, one of the main things down in florida.


Yeah. I wish


Well,


florida had like mountains because mountain biking is fucking awesome. Have you ever been all


I'm really bad


Yeah.


at it, but to be honest, my uh my experience with it probably wasn't, it wasn't like a summer camp and we were riding like basically huffy's


Yeah. Now what things like you need to cook like you're gonna die


I mean this wasn't like any kind of intense trail. It was like some kind of cross country


well


trail, but it's still like yeah, I don't know, you give like a 10 year old like a fucking £30


and


like it's not gonna be a good time bike, weighs almost as much as a kid,


Yeah it's really terrible.


it was pretty bad. Um Yeah I've got to I know I met a guy on a work trip down to florida, he lives in Thank you and he's really into long boarding but he was like there's no fucking hills here, it's the worst. Uh huh. Uh


I came here I used to that would be the way I would get around like just long boarding but it's not fun unless you go to like this part where you know there's like nice downhills but there's no like actual mountains or hills.


Yeah. Yeah I guess we kind of take mountains for granted here. Uh uh We used to do a lot of climbing but I'm not so much into that anymore. Uh huh. It's a


I've always been climbing on like man made shit. I've never climbed like mountains like that. Yeah.


I don't know if it's a depending on the style of climbing to be honest, gym climbing is really not that much different than outside.


thank you


Uh Unless you're going to like


something.


I guess there's something to be said for climbing outdoors but in terms of the actual like exercise, it's not much different unless you're climbing really tall


like


stuff


you did


outside. Mhm


I went to the summer camp when I was a kid and I had like this extremely tall rock climbing wall and like each side if it got harder and harder and one of the sides it would be like like you have your foot there and then there would be like a 92 coming out. I used to like, jump back and wonder on the hot. Really? Yeah. Mr

Yeah. Uh huh Mhm Mhm Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah,


yeah, they can be, they can be pretty fun for sure. Mhm uh Yeah, I was I've only been to florida a couple of times, I went like when I'm really really little to Disney world, I don't really remember that and then I went on a couple work trips down there and that was kind of interesting of I don't know, it seems like uh


it's


recycled.


different. Uh Well, I'd say Miami is a lot different than the rest of florida I don't know about like, and then they have like those college towns that are spread out and then the rest is like killed. Please,


Yeah, yeah, I was I only went to Miami Tampa and Jacksonville and I definitely say that Miami Miami felt like uh like a bizarro version of is the best way I can describe it. Like


we're


smaller


going to work


Los Angeles. Mhm Like


Yeah,


Los Angeles, no asian people or less asian people and uh just smaller I guess in general. Um.


Yeah. Uh Miami is actually like, like the city is small. Yeah, but like, Miami dade county is like the biggest county. The big one is.


Yeah I just went by like feel like I don't think I don't think in Miami I just remember like driving from the airport to downtown in L. A. Took me like an hour and a half. It wasn't even that far. Uh


No.


I didn't really get that trouble in Miami that traffic wasn't as bad. Didn't seem like


The problem


maybe they


was


sent


more


that. Is


drivers


planning


traffic.


what?


Like the problem is more the way people drive in, the traffic,


Oh yeah. Oh yeah.


they can, it's real bad down there. I was dangerous of anywhere like


Everyone.


90 Yeah,


What are you gonna say?


they got 95 down here. Like I see accidents every single time I get on in multiple really? Even if I'm just going like a mile or two like.


Yeah. The one thing if everybody either drove really fast or really slow but it seems like you guys have a mix of both. Uh huh.


People


Good.


trying to go in between everyone going 200 MPH like.


Yeah. Yeah in L. A. Everybody drives fast but every but everybody drives fast.


Yeah, everybody is


Beautiful.


going to.


Well at least is predictable. Where in Miami as like the short amount of driving I did it was like I remember like like one person like


It's


at the last minute cut across like four legs and then drove over the triangle divider to get off an exit or so it's just like dude just take the next exit and turn right. Uh huh.


You see like every day to like someone cutting across and like exiting at the wrong time like.


Yeah. Yeah up here in Washington it's


Well,


been weird. We uh we all used to drive fairly slow back when I was growing up um partially because the speed limit was lower it was 50 instead of 60.


I'm


But but then like I think a lot of people moved here and so things have changed, People are driving


it's


a lot faster now. It feels more like L. A. Uh


the car to like the cars that they're putting out like


that's


back back like in 2000 and five, like, you cannot get like a fast car for cheap now. You could get like


let's


the


see


cars made in 2006 that were fast cars then like. Yeah.


yeah I didn't think about that that 2005 a fast power was like a WRX or something for cheap.


Or just I had a I just broke it because they grow it flooded over here and I was running through a


Well


puddle 1006. BMW 5 50. I was so nice.


cover yeah guy I used to climb with um and he doesn't drive cars anymore because he got too many felony speeding tickets. But one time I was like he was like do you want a ride home from the gym? And I was like I didn't think about it, I was tired, I was like sure and I was like okay this is a bad idea, He was going like 95 in a 25 mile per hours A I it's like dude.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Uh huh. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh.


Cat or something or a kid


Uh huh. Uh Yeah it's weird to now because he's like he's got a family and two kids and I'm just like I hope you don't ride that motorcycle too much camera. Uh


with? Okay.


um Yeah


First.


cars are I'm kind of glad I didn't really get into the um I can appreciate


That's


them but now I'm just like I just want like a boring ass


there.


Toyota camera or some shit that's gonna run forever to deal with anything.


What? It's such a headache like car trouble with such a headache. Wasn't anything.


Uh But I don't know. I think uh electric cars


Thanks?


should be pretty reliable. Um They don't have a lot of moving parts. Speak.


I think the problem is the batteries. Yeah.


Yeah, we'll see. Hopefully they figure that out.


They need to figure something out,


The


is


Toyota


it?


hybrid batteries have been holding up pretty well though. Um Now they come with a 10 year warranty, so.


That's cool. I'm not saying like the battery itself is faulty. I'm just saying like the resources in order to make that many but it's very tough,


no, I agree there.


The lithium whatever.


Yeah, they're working on, on better ones. Uh They used less difficult and uh environmentally bad materials. Um But it will probably be some time. I mean the good news is I think we can recycle most of the lithium that we use in batteries. Um So that's at least something. But but yeah, we'll see. I don't know. It seems like most electric


Better.


cars basically like a giant cordless drill. Yeah,


Yeah,


we're staring. Uh uh


Okay.


I'm really glad we don't have like flying cars or some shit. I think that would be a total nightmare.


He didn't yeah.


I really, I really actually hope we'd never get delivery drones because even the bigger drugs are really noisy and it's not just like the noise they


When I


it's not just like the volume they make, but like the particular sound, it's like it's like worse than a leaf blower. I don't know how to describe it, It's like a leaf blower,


Well


but it's also it's


if


like high pitch wine.


terrible. Yeah. Yeah.


Are.


But yeah, they said they were gonna do that like what, 23 years ago that they were going to do like delivery drones


Yeah, I can't, I can't imagine it. It seems


at


like


all?


unless it was for extremely lightweight stuff. I can't imagine it being profitable.


Also like the problem with the airspace and like different places like


Yeah. Yeah, that too. Um


in the people flying around on the, they literally have like a huge fan attached to their back and then like a parachute. It's called, it's called para motor. And they just like use the fan fly like with the parish group. It's sick.


That's pretty


I was just like a beach over here just flying like just sitting on a seat like in the middle of the area. Looks like two.


huh. Yeah, there's ah I don't know if you're in the Kiteboarding at all, but there's a


Yeah, boarding school. I've never done it but it's like I always wanted.


I kind of feel like it's one of those things that you have to spend a lot of money to to get into. Uh


Yeah.


but they there's a guy robert nash or nash, I don't know how to pronounce his name. He made this thing, They were trying to do this for a


What


long time but for some reason they couldn't get it figured out you made this thing is basically like a handheld kiteboarding kite. Um So it's sort of like a windsurfer rig but not really because it doesn't have a math. Uh and you use it with a foil


course?


board and it works pretty well even in really light webs and it should be


Well you stomp on it and it like it was like there


yeah, you don't you don't stop on the phone but but but it's the same principle, it's a hydrofoil lifts you out of the water um


That's pretty cool.


Yeah and it's uh it's supposed to be quite a bit cheaper and safer than kiteboarding And you go about as fast anyway, so it seems like a win. Uh Kiteboarding always seemed like like it was cool, but then you think about it, it's like you need like


I haven't done


of


this.


power to to water start to get out up on top of the water, but then once you're up on top of the water, you don't need all that extra power, so it's like, it's not gonna make it go any faster, it's just gonna make it harder to control. So


The


all


tipping


right, it seems like these things are pretty good alternative where you just


you


like


talk


pump the oil board twice with your legs and then you get going with


were you like um go on the water up there though, isn't it? Like freezing


uh you know, it's funny you mentioned that I went, I managed, I packed like a shorty wetsuit on my business trip uh because I was thinking maybe I get to go sailing and I did get to go sailing down in florida. And they were like, when I was asking people around,


Perhaps


they were like december, are you crazy? So cold? And I'm like the water


over.


temperature, the water temperature is 25 degrees warmer than it ever gets, or uh


over here in the winners like 80 degrees like


yeah, in the summertime here,


from


the lakes are, they get up to like 60


But


So it's not


that's


why,


the what


but


soup


it's not.


you need to work. But I don't hate where wet do, but it just doesn't feel as like it doesn't feel like swimming to me. It feels like I'm doing like mission is um so bye.


Yeah. Uh Yeah, if it's so if it's like really warm, ah if it's really warm and you're not like spending a whole lot of time actually in the water,


I think,


you don't really need a wetsuit, but but in the spring and fall, it's even when the water temperature is about as warm as the summer.


Thank.


Um I mean, I get the spring would be with the far if the air temperature is not that warm, it's not a lot of sun, it gets pretty cold pretty fast.


I used to


robbed.


what?


Six is sick. This water sounds cold.


60 yeah, the saltwater never gets above like 50. Uh and then in the winter time, the legs, uh I mean, even though they're pretty deep here,


They probably freeze over.


they don't freeze over, but they get cold, water temperature drops down to like 38 40. Um


Yeah.


and it's like I went sailing on a laser once when I was like first starting out and it was really windy and I was like, I'm not going to go far, I'll just like stay close to the dock, it'll be fine and had a wet suit on. And then I uh I said I was sailing and I capsized. I was like, no big deal. I got the boat up, but then I realized the rudder had fallen off.


Very Oh


it was like, it was like, I was like 60 ft away from the dock and it took me two hours to get back. Uh huh. Well that was already, I had to like, I finally figured out that if I like laid on the back corner and I dragged my leg in the water, I could sort


When


of steal


there


her. It's just so bad.


reforming


It was like so bad. It


it's political.


only took me like 30 minutes just to figure that out. And then another like hour and a half


To


to actually,


spend.


because like, I don't know if you know much about sailing and tacking up wind.


Yeah. Yeah. Like you have to like go with the wind and like kind of like


So


change in order to catch the wind to go a different big


so normally you can tack up wind through like 90 degrees or whatever and you can, you can make like zigzag like that with a 90 degree angle between each turn, right. Uh But with my shitty leg writer, it was more like 100 and 60 or 140 degrees.


Why?


And then like uh


Hold on.


like the middle of february so nobody else is at the dock. And I was just like uh Mhm.


Yeah.


It was pretty fucking stupid. Uh Well anyways, what time did you join? Do you remember I joined a little bit early.


Three. I think we're good.


Okay, cool. All right, man. Stay safe.


Thank you. Everybody


Take care. Nice to


you


meet


have


you.


anybody enjoy


But


the schooling or whatever.


yeah, you too have a good trip


Big.


to the island.


right. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Oh I think. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck. Okay. Question. Mhm. Yeah he was yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I don't know. See there are three or five. Mhm. It's gonna be five because I have a property it just looks really flat top. Just accidentally typed love you the George to contest. Huh? This excellent touch. Love you immediately saw several things instead so. No it's just in this lovely thanks. What jersey? That episode King of Queens next time I really watch it. Okay carried us that to her boss. I love you too. Like her direct like supervisor attorney. She's like that feeling she has legal assistant or something. Okay then he drives ahead on her. I will not have direction. Yeah it's looking like it's not gonna happen. Yeah. All right let's get cancelled. Wait till four of uh evaluated another couple of minutes just to make sure yep. Oh work. Fuck. Mhm. Okay. Mhm.


Hello, can you hear


Hey?


me?


Yes what's going on?


Sorry about,


Group?


I had to restart my computer because my camera microphone were working.


all good, all good. I was uh I was about to give up though, so that was a good timing right within the five minutes it happened once before where someone didn't show up so always


I've never had that uh happened thankfully. I had this is my sixth and final uh and I never had that happen before, so


well


well,


I'll say this. Um It was a woman, she just flashed on the screen for like three seconds then left, so maybe it was something I I don't know she was there and then she didn't hear that she didn't come back so.


Oh it's weird. So anyway, I'm here and it's good to meet you. My name is E. J. I go by E. J. My name is Evan


cool, my name's dan. Um So good to meet you as well.


good to meet you dan. What do you do when you're not doing chats?


Uh huh. Who um besides work and stuff? Uh Video games, sometimes netflix movies, it's hard with the pandemic. Like I used to play more sports and stuff I guess but


hey.


stuff like that, you know? Uh So I would say now just more video games and netflix and you know


awesome. So like you say you play, you played sports or what sports


what


have


I usually


you?


hunt. Um Usually I played a well, mainly basketball I guess when the weather is nice, so now the summer past, maybe not


quote.


as much when I play basketball and then also uh softball now um like old and want to play an easy version of baseball, so softball and then what else? I would say that's about it in boxing too. Sometimes I would, you know, enjoyed it. Yeah. Um how about you?


I love sports. I'm a sports fanatic.


It's


I uh I obviously don't play sports because I don't know if you can tell, but I'm in a wheelchair, so playing sports is difficult for me, but I actually used uh simulators, you talk about a video game, and so I use simulators like madden football and MLB the show and stuff like that to compete in sports because I'm a really big sports fanatic, I love football, I love baseball,

Oh. Mhm. Right. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm.


Aaron.


and I love hockey. Um but another thing I like to do when I'm not doing simulators, um I'm a little bit of a nerd this way, but I like to use flight simulators and


Never, never.


fly airplanes and uh, jetliners and stuff like that, and they say they've done they've done uh some people have done this where they go and they take their flight lessons and basically the instructor says, how do you know this already? And they say it's because of the flight two million or because it's that


realistic.


detailed and realistic. So


It's weird, man. That's weird stuff. I mean not weird but just interesting that


yeah, it's weird


maybe that's


that they've


the future,


been,


like that's, you don't even


it's


have to apply


weird that


plane


they


to


came


work.


so accurate, you know what I mean,


Yeah. Right, right, that's


terrible. So


how


I did


do you,


that and


how do you do


I'm


that


wrong.


now?


Who?


Like how does that work? I guess more


of course,


like, you know,


yeah. How does that work? Well, it's


simulators?


done, it's done through a computer. It's like another uh it's a game actually, but it's a simulator, so you loaded on your computer and then you either use a joystick or your keyboard or whatever to change the knobs and the switches and the dials and all that stuff too, to fly the plane, and they just barely came out with the new one. Yeah, in august um Microsoft flight Simulator 2020 and it actually uses the bing,


but Uh huh mhm


search engine and stuff and the google images to create a realistic view.


removes


So like, for example, if you were to fly the phoenix Arizona right now, um you would see what they actually see, looking out the window, playing the vinnie, so it's pretty,


that's fucking, that's crazy man,


it's insane.


wow, that's where like


No,


goggles or something, you know, something put on your face. You might just get thing


the


is I'm


look,


just thinking of the ps


think


what


playstation


it is.


when they have, it's like, it's a quasi


I


like a simulator. But yeah, I don't know.


Yeah, so there's no goggles or anything you wear. That's probably the next step uh


huh


that they'll do uh for realism. But if you look up videos after we're done here chatting and you look at some of the videos that they've done on Microsoft flight simulator. Uh


hmm. Mhm


2020 is specifically 2020 because the older one came out in 2000


Two.


and four and that one looks like crap, but the one that came out in 2020 looks absolutely sick. So there's that and yeah, I watch movies too. Uh I watch movies. I have to admit I'm not the greatest movie watcher because I have a hard time just sitting somewhere for an hour and a half watching a movie. Well, I'm doing nothing else, so it's kind of rough for me. Uh but I do like movies if the time and the mood is right. And uh, yeah. Uh huh. Well,

Uh huh. Yeah. Right, right. Yes. Mhm Yeah. Right, right. Yeah, for sure. Um


what I watched recently just watch Beetlejuice


so all,


yesterday, two days ago, two days ago. I mean, yeah, it's like Halloween. Should one of my, one of the roommates is like horror horror movies. The best compromise was Beetlejuice something that's


not


watch, I watch produced a bill, um, a couple of weeks ago. Sure.


yeah, there you go. Right.


Let's go.


On.


There


Very


you go.


simple. It's weird.


So do you have any siblings or anything?


Mhm. Yeah, I have two siblings. I have two brothers. Uh there's three of us, I'm 31 my younger, but I'm the oldest, my brother, next youngest to oldest rather is thirties only a year apart. Then the youngest is going to be he's 20 he's gonna be 30 soon, he's gonna be yeah he's 28 now, so he's gonna turn 29 in august and then 30 so we're all pretty close together at age.

Yeah. Oh, Oh, yeah. Oh, Oh. Uh, huh. Oh,


that's cool. I have uh I'm 34.


That is


I uh, I was born in 86 I have seven siblings, but they're


And


all older than me. And you talk about a


what?


huge age gap. I have my oldest brother who is the oldest sibling is 48 so there's four years different


well


between all these and youngest self. So he was a freshman when I was born and


she is yeah,


yeah.


but what was that like how about the next who's the next? Oh well I guess the next the second youngest,


the


like


second


who's girl?


time, this would be my twin sister,


Oh well all right.


I


Twin


have


sister.


great sister


True


and she is four minutes older than I am and we do the, we knew that this thing every year and where I call her first on her birthday and then she makes up some random excuse, hangs up the phone


good,


and then four minutes later calls me back. Good.


that's not right there. Yeah. Right,


it can. But then the next oldest after that is four years apart from us.


good.


So


That's cool. It's a big family, I mean it's not too typical anymore,


not anymore anyway.


no not anymore, especially with those big age gaps, like my mom's generation was that she's like one of six, she was the youngest and she had a brother that was roughly around that age gap, You know, I feel like that was the time before us. So interesting. Uh, where was this? Where what part of the US? Oh


where am I? Oh,


where was this? Yeah.


I, I am in Idaho right now. Um, I've lived in a lot of different places. But uh, I am an Idaho right now. My dad was in the military so we moved around a lot what? But uh, Idaho is where I call home now. It's kind of funny because nobody knows Idaho like nobody.


I couldn't


tell you where it is. I couldn't tell you what differentiates it, I guess. No, I couldn't even tell you


yeah, it's uh, it's northwest is next to Oregon and Washington.


charger. Are


Go


those


ahead.


the sports teams up there then like if you're rooting for a team or am I on


Well,


the time off?


to be honest with you, before I came, this is so funny because there's nothing in idle, nothing


Yeah. I'm trying to think like what?


except


I just didn't realize. I was like, what?


except people and potatoes and let's about it. But um there's no sports team. So like if you are an NFL pen, you cheer for Seattle. If you are um if you are an NHL fan, you cheer for colorado. If you're a basketball fan, you cheer for the Denver Nuggets or something like that. But you, yeah, but there are no teams here which is kind of sucky. Uh uh I


Mhm


am not a Seattle Seahawks then I am an Arizona Cardinals thin because before I came to Idaho, I lived in Arizona and Arizona felt like home to me. I came Idaho because of family reasons but Arizona felt like home to me. So I became Cardinals fan


Carlton.


in the NFL and every time they played the Seahawk, I love it. In fact they played the Seahawks tonight on monday night football.


I have. Kyler Murray has my fantasy football quarterback. So yeah, I'll be uh, hoping they do well. I'll be open.


Oh well I hope


Well.


we can hand the Seahawks the first wash a season


I


so.


always think they're overrated then they proved me wrong. The Seahawks. So I would like it to just aside from Kyler, but just for my own pride in my analysis.


you know right, so I'm gonna be watching that gave you tonight and hopefully these go well for us. Um But where do you call home?


Oh, so I'm from new york. I live here still born in Staten Island. I don't know how familiar you are with any of the boroughs, like in Manhattan or, you know, surrounding. And now I live in Brooklyn primarily.


okay. Cool. So you were born in spat and you live in Brooklyn now?


Lot of far, like, you know, it didn't go too far, but definitely a different culture. I'll say that much,


Yeah. Oh yeah. As


definitely


big movements in the boroughs?


some of them like Staten Island is very different from the rest of the city, at least from like Manhattan and all the other boroughs. It's very like where it's more like liberal and blue. I could just say there's a baseline Staten Island's a lot more


what?


conservative. Like a red, it's like a red outlier compared to the rest of the boroughs. Um I would say a lot more working class. A lot of like, you know, your firefighters cops, former stuff like that all seem to like live in Staten Island. Um and you know, just based on that, it was like a different upbringing I think then I would have had if I lived somewhere else and the borrows. Um So yeah, now where I am now and it's Williamsburg Brooklyn, it's just very it's a different style, it's a different vibe which is, I like it better here personally. But mm you know?


well. Cool. Well that sounds almost like uh phoenix and north phoenix technically they are not different towns, they are not different cities but there


But


is a total


Well


difference between phoenix city and north phoenix uh North phoenix is a lot


Staten


calmer.


Island.


It's more uh residential feeling and phoenix city feels more like uh industrial and just it's a whole different feeling altogether. It's kind of hard to describe unless you've been there but


Large one.


Uh huh. It's a total different feelings. So what number of what?


Yeah, I said


Go ahead


I was gonna say yeah, Staten Island is definitely,


all.


it's like the suburbs and then, you know, it's like definitely suburbs and then around two years. Super. I don't know, it's like you go down from and there's like apartments, everywhere, apartment buildings and he would go down and then it'll be like a bar


supermarket. Like it's nice in a way, like everything is like just right under you. But yeah, there's not a lot of room for say. That's I guess what I miss about Staten Island, if I were


Ok.


not there, you know, we've got more space.


What?


So yeah, just to what you were saying about, you know, phoenix city at north Korea. Yeah, so that's another consideration, but.


Yeah, I think that's exactly it. Um if I were to put it in a no child that's about it. So um


Right.


are you religious


No.


at all? Were?


Um I'm not really my eight in my old age, I went to catholic school my old life practically up until college. Um From first grade on I went to a catholic school, I was


born catholic. Um So I mean, I wouldn't say I'm super religious now, I would say more agnostic than anything um but I definitely you know have like that religious upbringing so that sticks with me, you know? How about you?


so something definitely fixed with you if you were raised with that your whole entire life? Um interestingly enough I was raised a mormon. Uh


huh.


I was ready to the mormon. I am no longer a mormon, I am the only one in my family


It


who is not mormon and I am actually Lutheran which is as you probably know another denomination of christian faith. And um


I'm yeah.


to me Christianity is very important because of the fact


thank


that I have personal experiences


good.


in my life, that wouldn't make any sense at all. If you had no belief in God, you know what I mean? Like um


No, I guess


I believe that there are things in my life that have pointed to the existence of God more than once and so in fact, probably the reason why I'm still here has to do with my belief in God because I've been through some really rough times and wanted to throw in the devil a couple of times, but I'm still here. So um, yeah, I definitely,


you attribute that to God?


I do, I do, I do, I definitely believe in God, I'm um, what you would call her gun enthusiasts and uh, I I think that a lot of people in our generation have kind of like, they have no need for God. We're just kind of like sad in my view because I know that he's helped me out more than once and and people call it fate or whatever, but I definitely have a firm belief in God and I like to tell people about it because it's part of who I am and it's part of what I am. So.

Yeah, mm. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh Yeah, mm. Mhm. Yeah. Right. Yeah,


because I got that, I'll just say maybe it's a controversial thing, I just think religion in general or the church really thought kind of makes people hesitant to like get further in religion sometimes, you know what I mean?


I think that there are definitely a lot of truth to what you're saying. Um, because it becomes more about the organization


Right, right, right, exactly,