she just doesn't like flexible work schedules, like our company as a whole mandate that that you're allowed to do one half day and then work like nine and a quarter hours the rest of the time. So she has to allow that one. But people have been pushing for four tens and she doesn't like that. So that's where, you know, we'll know people can't work effectively more than eight hours, it


no small.


won't be productive enough, she's like flexible and she doesn't like working from home.


I love to know what she thinks about doctors that works like 24 hours left.


Well presumably that after the first eight hours, their patients should be very concerned.


That was good to see everybody else that goes over there. You couldn't die. He's forgetting everything he learned in those eight years of school


Yeah. I don't know if like because she's a she's a little bit older, so I'm not sure if maybe it's like a belief system that she grew up with, like everyone should work 58 hour shifts a week and you know, like and everyone should work in that and like she's just unwilling to move, but the VP of finance, she's a little bit younger than her and she was like, well she literally said to me the elevator one day, she said, well maybe once some of these uh more traditional people retire, we can get some flexible scheduling in here, so she wants it. But apparently she can't overrule the people who have been with. She's only been to the company like four years.


What?


I think she came from another


company where she was VP. So she's qualified. But apparently she can't take on the more traditionalists who


riots


have been here


inefficiency.


for 2030


She's global.


years.


Did not have that much input for somebody who's been there forever mm


I might just get my doctor


Doctor


to see if my doctor


you by


can come up with something uh Where I have to be allowed to work from home at least part of the time. That feels kind of like cheating. But to the same token already I'm already on FMLA to be able to not get fired for calling out at least once a month for my headaches. So I feel like if they can if I cannot call out at all it's you know, unless I get really sick and work from home part of the time. That's a pretty good compromise. But we'll


Well


see what


that's


they


the


say.


other thing, I'm like, you know, okay, say your second, you're working for more often, you're probably still going to work because your home, what


We're going to get something


do you


done.


like, like you know, almost dying with a fever and you're laying in bed other than that you're gonna be like all right, well I can still do something,


I can still log on and take a phone call probably unless I have no


I can


voice. Yeah.


I mean right there that would eliminate all the time benefits and everything like that.


Well and if I am having a bad headache day, it's like because I can, no one can see me so I can turn all the lights off so it doesn't aggravate my headache and


great, you can


I


lay


can


in bed and do it,


and


you sleep?


I can have really low volume like on everything I need, I can keep my phone it just loud enough that I can hear the customer and then I can work through my headache versus if I'm having a bad headache day and I know I have to go into the office, it's just not possible. I can make it maybe an hour and then I'm like okay I have to go home like this is too painful to live. I cannot do this today,


yeah, no I agree with you. Mhm


We'll see what happens. I'm really hoping that they'll come up with something. They already closed down one regional office and said they're just going to work from home permanently, but there's only like nine of them. So they were like,


Well that's


why


what


bother paying for an office.


you're what do they need to be open for? They work? Well, what is the benefit of having people coming to work versus having them telecommute? Like obviously you do building, but what else goes on where they need people physically to be at the office


Yeah. I mean, personally,


first


of


think


all more?


it's way less necessary


Well,


than they seem to think it is because I think most


I think


jobs as is proven during covid can be done remotely. Like, I think


no,


most


absolutely.


jobs you don't need to be there physically, some of the billion department does need to be there physically. That's definitely


What?


true. Um, to process checks and that sort of thing, but there's no reason that half of us couldn't work from home part time and then we couldn't rotate like half of us work part time from home, you know, one week, the other half work from home the other week, like there's no reason and we'd use way less resources at the office. But then again, they just bought us this fancy new building and remodeled it. So they're probably like, we did not pay all of that money for a new building only


This is


to have


sit


everyone


there empty,


stay home.


that's what it Uh huh What terrible timing, think


I


what


mean I guess the transaction had been


back,


in the works for a


while, but they spent I I started


piper?


two years ago when I started, they were remodeling the new building. So it took them probably a year longer than they thought it was going to to finish the remodel after I started. But yeah, they did just redo the whole building and moved a bunch of people over there. So yeah.


they just need more space or they


I think they needed


I think that's


more


the second


space


word.


and part, well, I mean I don't know that this is their motivation, but now we contain one square block of downtown, first or 1st and 2nd to second. So I think that maybe that because we were kind of pushing further down into second to third. And so now with the new building, we should be able to be fully contained in that square block. And I


All


wonder if that was part of the motivation was to keep it like we're one square block of town.


Right, right, Well, there's always that sense of, you know, well that has to be on the


block


right. We'll also our old entrance was on second, not first, which is not the main street. And so I think they wanted the building that was on first


who


so that


facing


they could


the


have people,


way


Yeah, so they can people coming into the building that they wanted them to come into. Of course, now that Covid is happening, that was supposed to be our new entrance. But now we don't have security because they have them they're not having security come in so


at home?


they're like everyone use the old entrance and that's where you should refer all the customers


Well


to like okay, what was that point? Yeah.


horrible.


Yeah. Oh wow. All right. He will get worked


Yourself?


out one way or the other. Yeah.


I hope you end up working at home, I mean, you know, you


I'm


can do it,


gonna put yeah, I'm gonna push for it because I'm way more productive. All of my work is done by, I don't know, 10 a.m. Every day I get in at eight. So then the


Was


whole rest


that


of the day I just have to take phone calls and help new people. And I'm like, you guys could pile on so many more reports. You could give me like 18 more reports and I'd still get them all done every day. Do you realize how underutilized I am right now. You could literally just have me work from home and I can do all of the reports myself every single day. Yeah.


that's just like you said like, you know, you're you're comfortable, you don't have to like, you know, like you said like drive in, get read all that other stuff, we're sitting there in your pajamas as we like eating a bowl of cereal, doing what you need to do and we're like,


All right. Well,


take him out.


we'll see what happens. Okay.


Yeah, no, I agree with you. Hopefully they


I guess it also depends on what happens with Covid too because of Covid stretches on long enough because they keep asking the surveys like are you guys comfortable coming back to work? And my answer is always no, he's downtown is way too busy. I'm not comfortable coming back. So there are 1200 people who work for us. Like if one of them has Covid, we're all fucked. Like.


right now because you're going to get you know what, you're gonna get everybody that's within, you know, six ft of them, six


And then they're going to go ahead and get another


they touched


they touched the door.


people sick. Like


They this everybody, you


one


know just


bad elevator ride will take out an entire department if not more like so


Then if and then if nobody is symptomatic, then you've got those people are walking around spreading it until something, you know? And depending on how you react with it. I mean like I know for example with the kids schools, if they have one person test pause if they shut the school down for two weeks. So you know, depending on how quickly you do that or if you're just like, okay, well they're going to self isolate then you've got more people that have it. Is this the the the massive domino effect in the ass?


It really is. And like we've been really lucky so far because no one because the people who traveled when it first had to quarantine and then we shut down the company basically and we were all working from home. So no one in the company got it yet. But like if they bring us back, it's only a matter of time. Mhm.


Oh, absolutely. I agree


Well I think we hit our 25 minute mark.


already. Well, it was a pleasure talking to you.


You too.


I hope you get to stay at home.


Thanks. I appreciate that. I hope that your kids are able to go to school successfully and safely.


There you have a good night,


You do


Yeah. Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. You know? Yeah. Mhm. Lot of everyone control Yeah. More right now. Yeah. Okay. Hello? Mhm.


Hello there,


Hi.


are you?


I'm good. Um This is the first time


Me


I do anything like that.


too. Okay


So


to


we don't have a lot of


know.


guideline. Wouldn't you think that it's all about


Yeah, I was reading over it looks like all we're supposed to just talk for 25 minutes. I'm not sure about what though.


That? I think that they said that it was open ended, I'm going to start a


timer so that we actually do it will have 26 minutes because they said uh it's invalid if it. Yeah.


it's less than 25. It's invalid.


Yeah. Have you I'm doing it through prolific. Is that what you're doing it through to? How did you find walks? Right.


I found it on Reddit actually, it was on record as an option and uh started checking it out and I was like okay, I can live with this, like it's not bad because I've done other things like this and it's you don't make money. What,


No, it's not too much about the money. It's a little bit here and there. But I find that these studies more interesting and in some spikes it was so frustrating because I without for a bunch of questions and then they say like we don't qualify, sorry,


I had that with swag books. I sat there and I would do surveys and spent like an hour doing a survey and then the last two questions. Oh yeah, I know you don't qualify.


that's frustrating. So I'd rather have just a little bit and and just uh make sure that I'm qualified from the beginning, I think they're pretty good at about


Absolutely.


doing now.


Yeah, they've been pretty good so far. I was doing a before I got a prolific, I was doing close captioning on videos and stuff. Don't ever do it. It is not worth it. Thank you sit there and spend a couple hours captioning the video and then they just take it back to your like, oh no, you need to change this and this and this and this, and then you end up being like $2. So I was like, you know, I'm literally doing this just to spare change for emergency funds and things like that uh prolific has been the best so far at it, as far as making a little bit of side money to have in case of emergencies. Yeah,


this was money for sure. Uh Yeah my income is down to I rent uh spaces and everything is down right,


yeah. It's been pretty rough right now. I've been fortunate enough I've been able to work throughout this entire thing, but it uh it's not worth it. Sometimes there's a lot


I


of


was


recent exposure.


I was taking care of an older lady at her house and then her daughter moved in because she didn't have a job so I wasn't necessary anymore


Hopefully


and


all this will be over sometime soon. Uh


know.


We don't see that. Practice, some type of normal. I don't I don't know if this is gonna be our new normal, but it


has


not.


Maybe not, we're going to be our new normal forever. I don't know, but I was talking to my sister in line, I said the funny thing is I noticed that some people like I go out walking because I get nervous so I go out walking, some people are totally by themselves like hundreds of feet away from anybody and they have a mask on and then on


All


the other extreme other people are like rubbing against you and they don't have the math gone. I always keep my math like here and then if I see someone I put it up. But uh just in case.


I take it off in the car just to be on the safe side, but I mean if I'm by myself, I don't see a reason to wear it,


No


thanks.


because it's not just like in the air like some kind of uh


I


science fiction right? Where everybody protected from the scores


or whatever.


mean it's like I work as a 911 dispatcher so I've uh I've had quite a few people that have come down with and have died from it, so I'm like, you know, there's so much of it being a myth or a hoax or whatever. I'm like, you know, I don't think so because I've seen it firsthand where people have gotten it and died from it, so it's like just wear your mask. It's not that hard. Just put on the mask,


Well


that


another thing about having this big conspiracy is that it's all over the world. Mhm. Like my niece has the grandmother abroad that died. So how could they being in on it together?


Absolutely.


You know


And then, you know, it's it's unfortunate too because the hospitals are having to lie about their numbers and that's what's frustrating to is, you know, someone gets in a car accident dies and their coating it as covid related. And that's just because they can't


lot of


get


money.


the supplies they need, they can't get the supplies they need. So they're faking the numbers so they can get the supplies that they need because they don't have them to begin with. I mean as a whole, it kind of shows a failure across the board. Like everybody's kind of messed up across the board on this, nobody was prepared for it. So now when it did happen, were, you know, looking stupid. It.


Well I have a friend who's daughter works for the state department in uh I don't remember what the name of it is that it was about the controls, her her her function with more marketing. Well she saw that department like funded until it only had one employee. So there was it wasn't a big priority for anybody.


No.


I think we have a humorous that that were like advanced or something. But we're just we're human so there's no amount of uh technical or advancement that renders


They like


us invulnerable to the nature.


Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think once we have a vaccine, when that day comes, everyone's like, oh, you know, you don't take the vaccine and they're just gonna mind control you. I'm like that's what I said about the flu shot, like.


Mhm. Oh gosh. I don't know. I've gotten some baby. We're from people my cousin uh an old friend from childhood that I recently got in. She got in touch with me and I'm thinking wait a second. This is a person that is relatively um educated and uh he sent me something about the vaccine is going to target our R. N. A. Make us into robotic non emotional people that are good workers. And I'm saying there's so much bad thinking about that. First of all. Yes. Okay.

Mhm. Oh. Uh huh. Right. Right. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Mhm.


We were we've made great advances in DNA but we're not that sophisticated yet that we can do that.


And


And then we were totaling an emotional, we wouldn't be good workers. We would be awful workers.


I mean if you look at it too, it's uh a lot of people are unemotional at this point, a lot of people are lacking empathy and sympathy in this day and age and that's kind of the people that we have now is all these people that don't care about their fellow man. Like it's all me, me, me, me, me and it's pathetic really to watch all these young people are so worried about themselves instead of trying to do better or people that are younger that are looking at trying to make it a better place for everybody. And you got the genetic uh millennials that are just like, oh, you know, I look out for myself. It's


I didn't know I had 500 millennial daughter. I don't think he's like that. Mhm.


it's because I've fallen a millennial thing and it's, everyone classifies that group as just selfish and I got two kids


Well,


that are, you know, I got one that's very much trying to make everything better and the other one's just too, so she doesn't know yet, but I'm like, you know, if everyone just had the same mindset as a 12 year old life would be easy. It doesn't have to be the way it is. But everyone, so me, me, me, me, me and this whole covid thing has really shown that


But I do think that goes across the old stands


and


because I've noticed, II was thinking I mean I'm 57, so I was looking at AARP for example already and what I noticed is that grandparents sometimes


thank you.


are being


What?


selfish too. Because what I'm thinking that very much about the future of their grandchildren, they're thinking about themselves


Thank


first. So


you.


I think that it's the age and it goes across it may be more in one age than the other because it's only natural, for example, teenagers are always going to be Mimi because they have to be because there is a big transition in their life and maybe that's true of older people because they're facing death. But I don't see that that anyone generation has a corner on the market of blue hell fit


absolutely. Like I work for Medicare um years ago I worked for Medicare to call center and then I worked for the health insurance marketplace as well. And uh, one thing I noticed is you had a lot of elderly people that were just, you know, their biggest concern was make sure their medical bills are paid and that was their big thing. They wanted to make sure their bills were paid. And then when I go into the marketplace side of it, I'd have people calling, younger people calling. And I had a woman called me up one time and she was, you know, we were going through the whole process. And of course, the first start was frustrating and we're going through the whole process. And then at the end of it, I'm like, you know, she was only getting the wrong person. So I was like, you know, don't do you need an insurance for yourself? And she was like, she was gonna be real with you, I have cancer. I only got a couple of months to live. I'm just doing this to make sure my kids are taken care of when I'm gone. And I was like, you know, that's very unselfish, like that's literally woman's dying and that's what she's worried about. But then you have some of these people that will be the same age that or you know, I can't go get my hair done, I can't get my nails done and all this stuff. And it's like, you know, people in this world have bigger problems than you right now, like your hair and your nails aren't the big problem. So it's


we heard of. I haven't done my hair at all, but it doesn't matter. It's so little.


I went about a razor at this point, I got a for father's Day, the wife and kids got me a razor and I just started cutting myself because I was like, it's not it's not worth it doing what I do for a living to go and put somebody else in risk of getting a disease or putting myself at risk getting and giving it to the whole police department or all the firefighters and I was like I just start cutting myself, I haven't done a good job yet but I'm getting there, I'm hoping.


well they're they're priorities obviously. Uh I don't know,


it must be nice to.


I guess this is a test for all of us, but


Absolutely.


I know that there are people that are being uh I'm lucky. I mean I have enough and I have a good emergency fund that I've kept. Mhm.


Yeah,


But


that's out


I I see that some people have been pushed


there


to the edge because even in this suburban, I live in a suburban middle class kind


let


of


me


tract house and uh I saw two homeless people.


wait.


I saw one girl with a giant um like uh roly roly um


I don't


suitcase, that was everything she had. And I saw in the park that I go part uh walk by that it's like a bike high park. I saw by sleeping with all the stuff around them. So I'm thinking, wow.


Four.


I guess they're looking for security. They don't want to go to the city where they get more in the city, but they're also harassed more.


Absolutely. Like the I know around me There was two homeless shelters ever opened and right before all this started, there was a homeless shelter for men in a homeless shelter for women and the city shut them both down so they didn't have the funding for anymore and shot them both down and then you turn around and all this happened and everybody's getting kicked out. Everyone's um suddenly doesn't have some sort of with, and it's it's really sad to see it. I mean it's it uh it kind of opened my eyes here recently, especially because I'm looking like, you know, I had an emergency fund set up, but then with the costs, everything, everything is going up in price because of all the everything that's going on. So I'm like, you know, I'm having a dip in an emergency fund to make ends meet now because I think it's time to find another profession and find someone higher paying because I'm in there, I'm in there about 42 plus hours a week, just struggling to make ends meet. So I'm like, you know what? It's noble, it's a good cause. But I got a family to take care of bills today, I gotta got food to put on the table and things. So I'm like, it's even just little things like that. It's like I told my boss says I'm like, you know, you can't make a living like this. Like I got the paperwork for my retirement And I will be 75 years old, bringing home $1,000 a month if I stay where I'm at right now. I was like, there's no way I was like thanks for the opportunity, I'm gonna start looking just so you know, so you might want to go ahead and get ready replacement. I mean even in uh even in public safety looking at like that, you know, it's everybody is defund the police and all cops are bastards and all that stuff. But then who do you call when you have problems and that? It's uh it's such a strange society we live in now. It's


well our focus is land on it in a certain way. It depends on what we're exposed to. Everything happened, good, bad, ugly everything at once. But it's what is being shown to us and what is being shown to us all the time. It's causing us to be afraid of everything


Oh yeah. Oh yeah.


and and that was true of the right enough the left and of everybody there just making us afraid.


I think uh like with the next election I've already said you know it doesn't matter who wins this next election, it really doesn't you guys whether trump wins or whether biden wins Either way, it's the person that comes after that that has to clean up the mess that's going to be the one that matters. Is it like right now the nation's torn? Everyone's divided. You got the you got the the internal civil war kind of deal going on right now and uh whoever wins, it's not gonna matter either way, it's still going to be a problem because we don't have I don't see either one of them the uniting the nation. We need somebody who's gonna step up and take the role and say look were torn, were broken, we need to be put back together


Well,


and whoever.


I think most of us probably look at both extremes and find something we agree with here and something we agree. There is just a different way of looking at things. But nobody is bringing


I


people


gotta do,


together that way.


Yeah. It's all the my way or no way. Kind of mentality right now, it's really unfortunate. It really is. And uh it kind of goes back to the whole selfishness thing, you know, like there's no compromise, it's my way or no way. I want what I want and you can't have what you want and that's all there is to it. And it's a such a weird world.


It's a fear response because they found that people are more


all right. Yeah. Right. Okay.


when people get beautiful they become more extreme and whatever mentality they have whether they are a traditionalist or they are like cutting edge by person that wants to change things. Uh They become more of that if they're afraid so. I don't know.


No.


I know that that that that the media outlets they're looking at the bottom line all the time but they're really irresponsible by


by being so uh not balanced. And they went in the way they handle things because I can


Absolutely.


put on black foods and I can put on CNN and after a while I get sick of both of them.


There's it's like cartoonish. Either somebody is like an evil person


Exhale.


on this side or somebody with an evil person on that side. Um They're more like, and I have I have family abroad and it's the same way and I said, hey wait a second, why not


What? Okay.


why not saying okay this politician or this public person is corrupt? They took a bribe or whatever that's understandable. No, they have to say they think babies for breakfast, that's not believable,


Mhm. Absolutely. That's like the this whole election. Like I, you know, honestly, I don't know either. Science politics, That's all I've heard, is. one sniffs, one sniffs little girl's hair and the other one is unaltered. So I'm like, okay, so what is their viewpoints? Like, what are they gonna do? Like, the health care system, I guess


That


I work from there. Um


frightens me. That's right. It's because everything is so expensive.


Yes. Oh yeah. Like, I've watched the elderly people and their that are on Medicare going bankrupt and trying to figure out how they're going to pay for their medications. And I'm like, like I watched the presidential debates and when it comes down to healthcare, all I've heard so far is, well, I have a plan. What is it like, what is the plan? Like? I also tells me about the whole Medicare for all things Medicare already has, like me or you went to the hospital and we got a got a Standard procedure, $500 would be charged with us. Medicare would get that same bill, same procedure and say, no, you can only take a $25 payment for that and that's it. And that's all you're responsible for. That's all I'm responsible for is $25. But the way the health care system works now is me and you get a bill directly, $500. You're responsible for the full 500. If you just took those numbers that Medicare already has for every procedure that's possible and held the insurance companies accountable for only charging those numbers. That could save a lot of people a lot of money like I got on both sides that are diabetics, I got elderly people on both sides and I've watched this struggle and uh even now like I work for the, I work for the county and are in charge is garbage. And I'm like, you know, if there was some standard and some uniformity across the board and all you can charge me is what is acceptable across the board, then we'll be fine. But you got insurance, you got the hospitals overcharge you and me $7,000 for going in there and getting a shot. And uh they get away with it, they get away with it and they sent us a $7,000 but we're stuck with $7,000. But They they


I'm


don't have


little scared because I had an incident where I got a couple


of weeks ago food poisoning and uh I had to go in, First of all, I was scared to get covid when I was in the hospital. And then second of all, they didn't take my insurance, so I don't know what's going to happen. I haven't had a bill yet, but I'm thinking it's going to take some of my emergency fund away, you know?


Oh yeah. And say we shouldn't have to live like that. That is not how we should have to live like um it just, it doesn't make any sense to me, especially as far as insurance, we should not have to live in fear of whether we're going to get our medication our next meal or rent.


Well and you don't know more than you. I'm not, but I remember talking to a person in the office when I was getting my son's braces done and she was saying, well I called the insurance company over and over again because depending on who I get, I get a different uh response. So I'm saying what, it's so arbitrary.


yeah. That's like my oldest, she needed braces and I went to the dental school And they were like you know if you go to an orthodontist it's gonna cost you about 20, out of pocket? I'm like yeah no that's ridiculous. Like she's a kid, she needs braces, they're like well we'll do it, you know we'll do it here if you want and a student will do it And it will be about 3000 out of pocket that you have to pay up front. I'm like what makes you think I got three grand just sitting on the side that I can be like You go take my $3,000 have a nice day. So I'm like that's part of what I'm doing prolific is to try to save that extra money for emergencies, like literally two days ago, my dishwasher just completely crapped out on me. So I was like alright cashed out and went and got that thing girl. But then that puts me back because I'm like I wasn't expecting that makes sense to come out. That was money being saved for something else. But it's uh it's always something


my sister and she hasn't gone to the dinner for a long


it


time and uh they and my brother and she had told somebody that they had plans for and then now her mouth moves major work.


okay. Oh yeah. I mean it's it's insane. Like a couple of years ago I had a abscessed wisdom suits and uh they were like, oh you know, needs to be removed. So I'm like all right, cool. Take it like it's right there, just take it. And I went to the clinic, they were like, well no that's outside of our realm. And they were like negotiate your search. So in the meantime, apparently got super infected and uh they put me on all kinds of medications and everything and they were like all right, come back and we'll take it out. I wasn't in that doctor's office for maybe 10 minutes and walked out with the $1300 bill. I was just like, I was like, this is insane. That was before I started working for Medicare. I was like, even then I was like, you know, something's not right here. I was like, I wasn't this guy just made like $7800 an hour For me to sit in there for 10 minutes him come in, take the tooth. And then that was then that was the end of a $1,300 gone. Like as soon as I uh as soon as I got my employer and saw they offered a dental insurance, I was like, I'll take it, Give me all the dental 100% whatever they got is now my wife, she's on my dental and she has needed major dental every single year. You know like the dental insurance help. I'm still coming out of pocket a lot interest is one of those things where if you don't take care of it now it's gonna be more later and they get the money that's for sure.


Yeah they do. I don't know. Green uh did you get, did you do a survey in which they were saying like uh well this is how much a doctor all the


What?


all the time that he spent in his getting his degree and all the things that he has to do. So you know this


Well.


is a salary and then the salary of a technician and the things that they had to do to get that and whatever and it seemed reasonable, right? But when you look at the whole of society it doesn't seem reasonable. There is something all that are making way too much.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Right mm.


Absolutely. And like this that's the thing to do. You have some doctors and some dentists and stuff that will not accept insurance because the insurance company will tell them this is all we're going to pay you and this is all the payment you're going to make for doing this and they commit money charging you and me directly instead of going through the insurance. And that's one thing that I'm seeing now too is like if you have a private insurance are private doctor more likely he's gonna don't take insurance Because he's gonna charge you $2500 for the bill. When if he had run through the insurance, it would have been $10 $15. Like I


Hello?


had that problem, I had that problem when I went to go get a standard checkup, the doctor charged me $250 for a standard checkup and then I went and got done through the insurance and they were like, oh that's a that comes standard with your insurance, that's a free service. You don't pay for a check up every year. I'm like, he just charged me, I was like, he charged me $250 to get the free service done. No, that's because he doesn't accept insurance. I was like, okay, that makes more sense now. I was like, I got out $250 for a free service because that I'm like, that's one thing that you really got to kind of look at nowadays is is the doctor are going to take my insurance and if he isn't why I think what's his reasoning for not taking my insurance and usually it's because they can bill you directly.


But it's because I'm it's strangled. If you go get meds, sometimes they charge you more through the insurance than not through the insurance. So what is that all about?


That's the, well that has to do with the, the suppliers and the and the insurance. And for some reason like I saw it with Medicare to like you would have the exact same drugs, should have somebody had 10 exact same drugs. But if they went to one specific place and got one drug, it was only $10. But if they went to another place it would cost $100 and it was like that down the board. Like you would see it as you went down the line, you would see where, you know, why are these drugs cheaper here specifically and cheaper


Well


here.


when


Story.


they're the same route,


it's pretty much like the suppliers as they're getting like walmart or Rite Aid or Walgreens. Some of them are getting a better rate. So then the customers can potentially get a better rate one more


thank


time with


you


the $4


Harris. No.


That was one big thing about it was they were getting better away from their suppliers so they could afford to lower the costs and bring in more customers. But then you got somewhere that doesn't have as good relationship so they're paying more for the drugs and then charging the customer more for the drug. Yeah, it ends up we all end up paying at the end of the day instead of having one price across the board. Like if I needed uh if I needed Adderall, I should be able to go into five different places and pays the same price. Oh


Uh Well it it it just confuses me


yeah. It's


because then you know what decision to make sometimes it's luck of the draw


Uh huh. I mean when you're playing with people's lives at this point you got people that can't afford their insulin or they can't afford their blood pressure medication and it's all because you want extra money. That's a that's when I take offense to the whole thing is you're literally killing people or forcing playing with their lives


they're so far


to


away


make


from


our


everything that they don't see it and what you don't see doesn't affect you. You know, this is, this is real, but you know, in every area like ceo, some ceos of major


He


companies, they get their bonuses, even when, when there's where their companies are laying off, you know, thousands of people


Oh yeah. Like uh when I started working for Medicare, another company had just bought us out. And they were a uh it was a government contract. So it was a weapons manufacturer that had bought the contract. And within two weeks of mind I looked it up and their stock prices soared, like their stock prices went through the roof. And then we get an email and like the three guys that were at the top of the entire company just up and quit. They were like, yeah, we're out. I was like, yeah, they got rich. I was like, they got rich in life like that.


now


I don't


they


blame


don't


me.


have


I


a word with vehicles.


was like, I don't blame these guys. Like they got rich in their life. Unfortunately, they made like, you know, millions of dollars and I'm sitting over here happy to make $12 an hour and just, you know, whatever you want, boss. I was like, you know, that's a that's an interesting way to look at it. Like I've never seen that kind of situation where all right, we got paper out and you hear about it, You see it on the news and then see it in real life. It's like, okay, I can't say that blame one might probably do the same, but at the same time, you know, it's it's something you don't want to see. It doesn't put a lot of faith in the company.


Yeah, I don't know, jumping ship because there isn't really a good sense of, of, of uh


Right. Well, you can have Yes.


in each other anymore or of hopefulness for the future.


it's all right.


So


Absolutely.


I think that also makes people more selfish.


Yeah, absolutely. I think we're just going to see more of it as we go along. They were gonna on these that's going to improve that, then we're just gonna keep on seeing people being people and it's an unfortunate thing to see. I loved


and


it.


you can see it in other societies. I have cousins in Australia and I have cousins in the south of South America. And uh, and


Yeah.


I know people from some states that are failed saying states right? People get tired of being, uh, the ones that are the only ones that are paying taxes or uh you know, just seeing other people making it by being crooks and and they're like left behind. So then they end up like becoming corrupt themselves. They lose hope.

Mhm. Right. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, yep. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Yeah, wow. Right. Oh yeah. Oh yeah,


corruption is a virus really. It just, it spreads like it starts, it starts out simple enough and it could be something small, but it grows so quickly and then it really wants to lose your humanity. It's gone, there's really no getting it back. Once you're like some people have some redeeming qualities, but overall, once you lose your humanity, it's really just done. And it's an unfortunate thing to sit back and watch a lot of people that I've known growing up that I had respect for and I'm just sitting back like I can't I came to talk to you anymore. There's just no redeeming quality left to even try to savage.


I don't know. Well, I


All


just feel sorry for the kids because things don't look to be better than in our life. It looks like the future is going to be worse


Unfortunately.


in many ways.


Yeah. And, you know, I've told my parents and my grandparents before, you know, I'm like, you kind of owe me an apology, but because I'm trying to leave the world a better place for my kids, but what did you all do to ever try to do anything better for us? Like, I'm like, you know, you guys like my parents, I'm like, you know, you kind of sat there and there was so much me, me, me me me mentality and then like my brothers and sisters, I see some of that and all of them and I'm like, you know you guys got the wrong mentality. It's not all about me anymore. The world as a whole is gonna need to do better and this whole, me, me, me me me mentality is not gonna gonna make things better, it's just gonna continue that uh that cycle of greed and corruption and they don't really I don't really see it that well. I work for what I got kind of doing. I'm like that's cool and you can keep what you got. I'm not saying take away what you've earned. I'm saying share the wealth. Like if you've got something extra, you got extra time volunteer, if you've got extra money donate, like it's not that hard, you don't have to sit there and hold on to everything forever. Like a lot of the time I'll, I said there in a portion of what I make often doing little things like prolific. I'll donate to different charities just because you know, it's, it's a little bit extra that I have that I can get. Like, it's not much but it's something, but


Well,


if I


that's


hold on.


my command at all. It's really commendable. I think it depends on how scared a person is.


Yeah. I mean it's at the end of the day, like if I needed it, like if I was in need, luckily at this point I haven't needed extra help really government wise or anything. So I'm like at the end of the day, if I needed it in the future, I would like for it to be there and I would like for someone like me to contribute and to try to keep the funds going for it. Uh I don't need it right now and I got a little bit extra on the side. So I'm, I'll donate a certain amount or if or uh, if my kids do something and do some work and some pork our money or something. I tell them, you know, maybe take a dollar or two and just, you know, donate it somewhere. Like there's plenty of places nowadays where you can look and see a homeless person buy him a cheeseburger, you


You have


know.


to be careful that you donated to a place that actually uses most of their money for their purpose and not for themselves. Of course.


Uh huh. Absolutely. Yeah. I got, uh, I mean their kids, all they want is toys and makeup and I'm just like, you know, there's nothing wrong with that. I remember being a kid too and wanting to toys and makeup and things, but you know, it's, it's uh, it's kind of, to me, it's an empathy thing and it's a humanity thing. If you see someone doing worse than you don't step over him and say hey go get a job mom, you try to give them a little boost because that in this day and age I could be you sitting on side of road next.


Well, I have my simple autism and uh, you know, some people can't tell there are people that that have challenges that aren't necessarily right there in your face. You know? Uh


Well that


There are


is


lots


it.


of people with PTSD there, you know, it's not a physical thing. I remember volunteering at a church and I couldn't one time one guy wanted to fleet there and I said, I can't because the church doesn't let me, they don't have the insurance and also the numbers a little complaint if something like that happens. And he was telling me, you know, because I'm I want a minority.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Oh okay. Oh right. Uh huh. Yeah.


What?


And I'm a guy. Everybody looks at me and says, you're fine, why aren't you working? But we had a series of things go wrong and can fly. And then he couldn't keep once you're there,

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, wow. Yeah. Uh huh. Uh huh


Thank


he


you.


couldn't keep a job.


Okay. Yeah, I mean that happens a lot.


So


It happens more equipment.


somebody said, you know, we can't help it as human beings judging each other because that's the way we are. Uh but we can't take our judgments too seriously because we don't know like the american indians used to say we didn't walk in their moccasins, right?


Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's uh you know it's one of those things where if you take a moment you walk, take a walk in somebody else's shoes, there's not too much that that separates us really, the biggest separating factor that we have, it really comes down to money. Like money is our biggest division. Like no matter how well educated you are, no matter how much you have, you know And uh there are some people that you know, they're born rich, they're born into the money, they inherit the money. Uh and I know that like my parents weren't bridge, they didn't have money and I'm not gonna inherit anything once they're gone and uh I'm okay with that at the same time with my kids, I'm like you know uh can't take the Bill Gates approach to it. You need to work for yourself and earn what you want, but you need to earn the money yourself instead of waiting around for someone to hand it to like you've got to really if you want something, you gotta go out and get it. But it's what are you capable of doing to get to that point, You know? And sometimes that includes you know uh get back to the corruption thing. Some people will see that and to hear that and say something. You know? Well when we get to the top is seven people's throats and then the corruption cycle continues all over again. So finding that balance of I want to earn what I get and deserve what I get and I want to earn what I get respectively versus well, who do I have to screw over to get what I want? And that's uh


And in a way that is healing and and that Lincoln's in them, the idea that you have to be a human being first.


Oh yeah. Actually I'm gonna get ready to head out of here in a second. Looks like my youngest one just broke up.


Now, what is the protocol here? I don't remember reading


you just say goodbye and you go back to the prolific site or uh what platform are we even on? Is this like like zoom or?


I have no idea honestly. Um


because it was just


I think


click on this, I


click on this link. Uh huh.


we want to be accepted here. There's a, it looks like on the page they had to link to your instructions. There's a next button. Let's see.


we just we just uh we don't have to stop this. We can just uh exit out.


so.


Okay. Hopefully it won't


Let me


continue


see here.


work running in on our computers.


There's no telling. Uh let me see. I'm going through the little survey something now and Uh


Do we not close this


I'm


and go to the survey now? What


like uh


kind


looking


of task?


over it, you just have to talk for 25 minutes


Your conversation?


and then go from


We


there.


did that. Mm. So you hit next with that path still open and says, how was your technical


man.


quality? Okay. Uh, and it continues. I guess it said that it's going to do 30 minutes of questions. We're well, there's no way of like breathing it or stopping it.


Yeah. Oh let's see here. I think our only option is to exit out. It


Well,


was


have a wonderful day.


have a good day. It was nice to meet you. It was a good conversation.


meeting you


You have a good one.


there. And, and, and I hope your family.


No. Yeah


it stays healthy and everything goes well for you all.


I think absolutely same to you as well. I hope everything comes out. Well you have a good dad.


Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes, Yeah, Yeah. Mhm. That's better. Mhm. What? Yeah. Mhm, mm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. Uh huh. Mhm, Mhm. Yeah, I think, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, mm. Mhm. Um I Uh huh Mhm. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Uh huh. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Mhm. Okay. Mhm, mm hmm.


Mhm. Change. Hello?


Hi,


Oh how are you? Sorry,


I'm good.


my thumb


How are you?


was right in the way. Um He's been Okay. Well


Well, here


here


we are doing


we are.


it.


Where do you lift?


Uh I live in Austin texas. Where do you live?


I'm in Dallas well outside of Dallas in rail left.


nice. Are you from the area originally?


Yeah, I'm from about five miles from here so I never left. But I think is it true that people in Austin are not from there? I mean most of them. Yeah.


I'm not from here, so


Where are you from?


I'm from Vermont originally,


Vermont?


but


I want to go there.


it's a lovely state.


I'm sure.


but yeah, most people that I run into here are not from Austin, it seems like there's a lot of people from California, um


Yeah.


other parts of texas, but even other tek like Texans are still hard to come by in austin.


Well, I don't know what I mean. I know it's a cool place. I haven't been there many times but I mean I've been through there I guess but Dallas, I know texas is a big transplant state it seems like, but because real estate is so cheap here, you can sell your house almost anywhere and then really have a good house here I guess if that's what you want. But


so


what do you go ahead?


I imagine um that the makeup is different in Dallas and Houston than Austin. My impression is that there's a lot more Texans


Probably,


in those areas.


I mean I think Dallas pretty much everyone I grew up, it stayed here you know I I know there's a couple that you see on facebook that you went to school with um that have gone somewhere else but usually it's in texas you know so Texans kind of like texas although


I mean


why it's so hot and to me there's nothing to see.


Mhm. I really like it down here.


Well I'm sure getting out of the cold is probably the best


That's


part. Right? I'm sure.


good part. I have not missed the winters up there. The winter down here


What?


just kind of reminds me of a really prolonged


If


fall in the north where it's like the perfect


that


temperature


would be so cool.


and it's like just you know kind of breezy kind of crisp.


Right. It is you rarely I mean I'm sure that you don't even wear a coat here. I mean there's


I


not


I.


really much reason rarely ever even my Children we have coats of course we bottom at every stage but they may have worn them once you know each time it's just to date hot.


I know. So I've been in in texas since 2015. Um And over that time I've seen snow twice here.


Have you since 2015? I can't remember.


it's


I don't remember when it was say


this


they're just like you don't know when it was. I do remember it did once


but


mean it only


recently.


stuck on the ground once and by sticking on the ground there was like a tiny little dusting


yeah that means that means enough that there's white on top of the dead grass and


it.


that's all you see. So what brought you to texas? Uh


so I'm going to school at U. T.


you are. That's how


so


old are you?


I'm 28.


You're 28. Okay. What are you what are you studying


I'm


better?


just about done my PhD in clinical psychology.


Good grief child.


So you know so it's almost done and unfortunately I'm moving


Next


next month


word.


back to the Northeast.


Are you Yeah.


my uh


All


my husband and I we were kind of like debating, do we stay in texas? Do we move out of Austin? Because we really like some of the like towns that are outside of Austin like bash drop and and dripping springs and stuff. Um Or do we go back northeast to where our families are? Because my family's all in Vermont and his family's all in massachusetts, so we're gonna we're gonna

right okay. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Right okay. Yeah. Yeah.


So


go back


you're going


to family.


what does he do?


Uh He's a civil engineer.


I would go back to family. You can never I mean you you can just of course I just lost my mom last friday.


I'm so


And


sorry.


uh I'm too it's been a she was 85 she was you know, lived a full life, but it's never enough time, you know, So um Mhm. It's been it's been a tough time. So of course I would say go be with your parents while you have your parents, you know, one or both. It it will make a difference in your life. I have a sister who moved away at I mean as soon as she can get out, she left at age 17 and she's lived all over the US. She got married, her husband sold clothes and traveled um and she came back after 40 years, you know, but she missed a lot, you know, and I'm sure that she has a lot of and she does have a lot of experiences that I never had, but I was more of the home body, you know, me with mom and dad. Uh but it's you know, she has often said, you know, I I'm moving back because I lost so much time, so you just don't know, you don't know and I'm so fortunate to have my parents this long. It is, you know, not many people can probably say that I'm 54 years old, you know, um but it's a very, very important thing if you're close to your family at all and it looks like you are, sounds like you are so it's it's important. Go ahead.

Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah wow. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah


it's a my like my folks and I had a really rocky kind of relationship when I was younger and in high school and kind of like trying to break their control over me and everything


that was


and


my, that was my oldest sister.


and then for college I left I went to college in Canada just to like get away


no, mm


then I came down here and it's been nice, but like the


thank


more


you.


that um like my husband, I don't have any kids, but you


But


know, we would like to eventually and stuff and just the idea of there being grandparents and like and aunts and uncles and cousins, like I was really


close


with my cousins growing up


It's


true. It


there's


is true,


there's so much


this


that


is very,


kind of


very,


comes with being around family that is easy to forget when um you're just one person like it's just kind of been meaning for the past 10 years, you know?


right, but when you if you bring another being into it, it is, I think it's important, you know, for like you said, your cousins, I um I grew up with my cousins, I can't imagine not, you know, having, but you know, the kids are of course people say kids are resilient, they can't make it through everything that doesn't shape their future, but you know, they'll they'll have friends, but it's it's a wonderful thing to be close to grandparents and you know, blah blah blah. But it is true, it's true.


Do you have any kids?


I have three sons of one who's 28 birthdays today.


Oh happy birthday to him?


Yes, he's he is 28 he's autistic, so he still lives with us and uh but he's great kid, very compassionate, very um Mhm. I don't know that he wants so badly to move out and move on, but I don't know that he'll ever have, I don't know, there are things he does know that I never thought he would do, you know, accomplishing things in his life, But um then I have a 24 year old, almost 25 he I have quite a lot suffers from severe depression, so he has never

Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Oh


my gosh, good


the homework


for you.


and then I have a 17 year old son through son and he is home driving me crazy from high school. But he he and I are very close, we're a lot alike, the sense of humor. Um but he has a a disease that I passed to him. So all three of my sons each have a you know what whatever you want to call,


Their own little thing that


their


they're dealing


their own


with.


little thing. So it's uh you know I grew up with it, it's called hypothesis two minutes rickets in old terms. Um But you know it's the older I've gotten it disabling more, but you know each one of them, you know you try to teach them how to navigate life with. Mhm. That I don't want to see a disability. Two of those you can I guess. Well, I don't know if they're all disabilities or what, but I try to tell them everybody has something that may not look like it. Everybody has uh something even though it may not be to you, I guess for much I'm sick. It may not be something that you think is that uh bed, you know, there's always something in someone's life that shapes who they are and and it's a negative thing.


absolutely


I


everything


don't know what I'm trying to say.


Yeah, no I totally agree everybody has a hurdle and I think


Thank


that can be something


you.


that's that's really easy to overlook,


It


especially


is look


when someone's going through their own struggle, it can really


All


feel like they're going through it alone. Um


And and that's true.


And so I wonder how much with each of your boys kind of having his own personal hurdle, how much that can also be sort of a bonding thing for them that you know really seeing that they're not alone even though something about them, it's different from the other person that they also have their own challenge.

Mhm. Right. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, mm hmm. Right.


They do. And the the two that aren't autistic, the younger ones really, you know, they they're very helpful and and they each have learned to deal with them because these are sometimes but uh you know I think the best thing if there's any good thing that's come out of it is they're both so compassionate and in a way that people who have not been exposed to that that only they can understand, you know? So there there is something and and two I've just found I don't know I came to this realization when he was in grade school that you know, disabilities are so a lot easier to deal with when they're physical and people can see it but it's mental illness then it's a lot harder to take into be patient with sometimes. You know, you just can't you can't see that they're not in a wheelchair. The compassion isn't I'm not saying it's not there but it's not obvious so. Mhm. That's

Mhm, mm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, mm. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah.


Yeah. It would


interesting,


it would make I imagine that it would make people have to pay more attention, have


that's


to


true.


um you know take a moment to recognize that something might be different as opposed to having that q right there in front of them. Like you're saying like being


in front


in


of them and and some people won't get past you know the first threshold enough to recognize


totally.


it, you know and and but I've learned as a human a lot of times week we don't give everybody that that chance. You know we start the judgment early on you know and and just the small things when uh we may never know but I've learned to always give the benefit of the doubt or I think I do you know I'm trying to and that's what I try to teach the boys. You don't know what where somebody came from that day. You have no idea where they walked. So don't judge you know try


You


know


uphold your you know your values and and think of them as it were as if it were you know someone that you knew they had a hard day. Everybody, people can be rude and he works in a grocery store. You know, he will come home and people are so rude to, you know, and I'm just like, I know honey, but uh, you know, so just take it and go on, take it and and consider that maybe they have someone at home that's sick. You know, I don't know what to say.


We don't


But


know what they're going through


no,


that made


you don't.


them


No,


lash out like that


or act that


you


way.


don't unfortunately. But everybody does it. We may not want to admit it. I think we do it sometimes, you know over the phone or whatever unless you're just an exceptional person and there probably


I wish


are.


I were.


I do too. I wish I didn't get so irritated, angry and impatient. But I don't always. But anyway,


Well it sounds like you're really doing


Right.


the best you can to


Well


build


I


their self


can.


esteem and


But


teach them morals and yeah.


we try. It's not always easy. It's not, but it's a challenge, but it's life I'm figuring out life is not, it's I'm not sure it's fun. I used to, I used to think that's what it was supposed to be. You know, and the older I get after you walked the road, I guess for some, well for some people, maybe it is. And for some people, I just think, I guess it's the outward view of what, what I'm projecting onto their life. How much not money, but you know how they look so happy and yeah,


but


know there are those people that look incredibly happy and like they have everything and kind of bringing it back to what you were saying before that everyone's got their


they


own hurdle and you know there


do


are a lot of


hurdle.


those people that seem so perfectly content from the outside that really are struggling on the inside


That's


for


true.


who knows why?


For who knows why what is your thesis over or we're not not as thesis. What's it called?


The high


Dissertation?


desert. Yeah, same thing. Um I was looking at the impact of hormonal birth


No.


control on women's sexual function um because so much research has paid attention to just the contraceptive aspects and how, you


that's


know, if we change


people's hormones then they won't get pregnant. But hormones are also really important to women having satisfying sex lives. And so I'm trying to kind of bring some research to the fact that it just seems like women's sexuality has been really kind of repressed and pushed down and you know women because they're the ones that get pregnant, they carry the burden of contraception and a lot of cultures and um and these hormones are doing things to our bodies that were not really


Beat.


counselled on because we don't know what the effects are on our.


And and you won't talk about it. You're not going to talk about it. I mean it takes a very well, I don't know if it's confident if it's what, but it is not something you're going to go in and sit with your account Ecologist and say, I want to have, you know, you're, you're not going to talk about that. You don't want to be weirdo or whatever. So

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah.


And so


part


interesting.


of part of what I'm in this group of um people that are trying to disseminate all of this information to gynecologists and come up with educational um like little programs


Brown.


that gynecologist and general practitioners can take part in so that they learn how to ask their patients. Like


That yeah.


Hey, have you been struggling with low desire? Like how are things going in your relationship? Because just like patients are often uncomfortable asking those questions, providers


I'm


are also often really uncomfortable.


sure that they are. I'm sure, you know, I hadn't even thought of that. I mean, I know it's, it's, I figure for them it's very textbook and okay. I ask you this question, but I have had one asked me or you know, occasionally, but I, I never answer truthfully. I mean, I'm not gonna, you know, I didn't then just was just, I


And


didn't


I think


want to be


like


seen as,


whether you're going to answer truthfully is really going to depend on um how serious how um curious your provider really seems like if you're talking with them and they approach this. Not in a textbook way of like and house desire, house vaginal dryness. How's this and that? You know? But it seems like they really care about you and that's why because going to be a psychologist,

mm hmm. Mhm, mhm. Right. Right. Right, mm hmm. Right.


Go


not an MD. And so we're trying to bring some of this psychology perspective into, you know, the more medical fields so that they can ask questions that are really important to people's health and people feel comfortable answering.


Right. That is true. That's a huge scope. It is. I never I never knew anyone ever would have would study that. You know, it is amazing that it has, it has not been um a top subject, you know, half of the world's women or I guess, I mean theoretically it behalf of women. So how how


How


is it


come


not?


people have not yet advocated for themselves as sexual beings, you know, and their sexual health and things that people do, They alter their body through hormones, because pregnancy prevention is foremost on a lot of people's minds instead of um you know, having a good sex life and still being able to, you know, experience pleasure. Which is generally been something that we leave to the men

Right, mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah, sure. Right, mm hmm.


It sure is. It is. And it's often in in the busier you get with Children, you know, and your job. That's just the last thing. You know, if


I am.


it I'm saying if it were if it were a product of the hormones or whatever, you don't even have time to think about that. You know, So, so what a wonderful thing to be able to experience that. I mean, it would make it totally different if you knew that that was gonna be a great part of your life that you could just um transfer over to for an evening. You know, it's it's just life gets really carried, so, mm hmm.


And I um so I talked with a lot of women throughout some of my studies and stuff and I hear these kind of the descriptions that you're alluding to, where there are some people that say like it's this chore and I dread it, but I feel like I need to do it because, you know, my husband really wants it. And so I put up with it and then there's these other people that are like, I come home from a long day of work and then my husband and I get to have sex and it just resets me, you know, and it's its connection and and so I really

Mhm. Yeah. Yes. Mhm. Right. Right. Yeah, sure. Right. Yeah. Mhm.


Everyone


like.


should be able to have that and we should be able to fill the freedom to to ask for that,


Yes. Yeah. And I


that


think that's


is


that's something that is limiting right now, is that because of our history, you know, women's um not being considered the important sex and, you know, our sexual identities even more so, not being considered crucial, are having to kind of stand up for ourselves to figure out how we can get that pleasure back. So,


Well, it's gonna be a woman doing it. It's never gonna be


no,


so


they're content.


good going girl


Thanks.


get going.


So that's sort of where I'm trying to go.


it


I really hope that um you know, I'll be able to use the experience in the education that I've got to be able to start um you know, helping women feel like they can advocate for themselves as sexual beings.


that's that's great. That's really great. So


That's


when will you finish, when do you finish your college or your?


So I am, I'm all done with the school portion of it, but before we technically graduate, we do one year residency where we go to a hospital and we do therapy for for different things and stuff like that. And so that's what's bringing my husband and I up to New England. So I'm gonna go there for my residency and then I officially graduate next spring and we'll be able

Mm hmm. Mhm. Yeah, wow. Oh yeah, okay, okay. Oh


good.


to apply for jobs. So


Well, hopefully it'll be a normal world or


I know,


it's got to be at least halfway normal. It's got to be something better than this.


I know, I don't know how long we're going to be in this weird


I


world.


don't know. I get at first I thought, you know, I guess ignorance and hope, you know, I was thinking, oh, you know july and now the reality slaps in the face. I'm like that's a foolish thought. You know, it's not going to be july, it's probably not going to be this year, you know? I don't know, but


No schools


and


don't even know if


odd.


they're going to reopen in the fall.


That's what's killing me. I mean, I just I didn't realize I didn't even I think that it would spill over to how how they modeled the school year, the coming school year. It didn't cross my mind, literally. So wow,


So how's how's your 17 year old doing with it with this all


no,


this


he


ambition,


could care less. He was done after spring break when we had we went to spring break, March, whatever Middlemarch, and then they extended it a week and then after that, before that week was over they called and said it's gonna be two more weeks and then we'll make a decision you know, So it was kind of delaying and I think you know his um I guess algebra teacher text me and I said hey your son is work. I'm like so sorry at that point you know my mom was in the hospital and he I just said well you know to be real honest he's kind of checked out. He's kind of he said most of them have which made me feel a little better but now with all of you know my mother in the hospital and then her passing away and all of that he's way behind. So I don't know I am gonna I guess write an email to his teachers and tell them what's going on. But I am trying to make him you know finish everything but we get a an email stating all the missing assignments and it's a few lines. So he's got some work to do and he doesn't care. You know I did tell him a couple of days ago. He never liked to talk about it. Of course. Why would you why would you want to talk about that? Um So so in voluntarily he had to talk about it. But I told him that you know, we we did get information that said you'd hate for your child to lose a whole school year. You know? And and it would uh he makes A. And B. So I think even he his reasoning is that if he fails uh what six weeks or semester it'll be okay because it'll all average out, you know? And and maybe it wouldn't do again. I can't say it wouldn't but he could care less. He could care less. But

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


I'm sure he's


what?


got so much that he's trying to, you know, wrap his head around from


He is.


his grandmother passing away to the whole world, kind of shut


It


down


is, isn't


now.


it? It's just a strange I mean I'm twice your age. I've never seen anything like this. I mean I guess no one has unless you were in the 1918 pandemic. I'm sure it didn't look like this anyway. But it's just weird.


It's weird.


It's freaking weird. Is what it is.


And I'm glad at least that I'm like not not to say that your 17 year old as a kid by any means, but I feel like the


No.


older that you get when you're going through, the more you're able to rationalize, the more you are able to understand


It is. Yeah.


and


We think, yeah. He he kind of I think parcels things out. I'd like to say not shallowly. He's a very good thinker, but I know what you're saying and


just


I'm glad


different.


that it has happened now. You know? It is. I'm I I wanted to be for the adults, so to speak. You know, he's still living here obviously under our care and all he has to worry about is his school work. You know, and


Good.


I'm thankful for that you can't protect them forever. But I will as long as I can you know I will I will as long as I can. Well I guess we're at the end of our time I've certainly enjoyed what's your name?


Ariel, what's your name,


Ariel. I'm Phyllis


Phyllis? It's really nice to meet you. This is


to meet you


enjoyable.


too. I've totally enjoyed it and good luck with your studies. I hope that next year is normal for you


Thank you. And same to you and good


luck with everything you've got going on and again,


no sure it's


send


my condolences


another day for


about


me.


your mother.


But thank you it um She was the best mom. She she was. Everybody thinks they're there is but I can say unbiased sure she was the best but we were best friends and uh


That sounds like a really special relationship.


it is. She is sorely missed.


Yeah. Well I'm you know, I'm glad that you get to have those feelings then and that you get to miss her because you had a good relationship


I


because


know I thought what if I didn't and it wouldn't be as painful but everyone says after the grieving you know the memories will be forefront


well


so yeah I look forward to that you


know


look


I'm


forward


sorry


to that for, you know that's


sorry sorry.


it's okay you're going through so much I am can't imagine. So you


neither.


hang


Didn't


in there


think I would. I will


and you


thank you


know,


so


just


much Ariel.


appreciate the relationship that you had with your mom because


What


you know, not everybody


I do.


is as blessed


No.


to be able to say that they were best friends with their mom and that sounds so nice.


it was a wonderful thing it was. Thank you very much Ariel.


All right. Have a good rest of your day.


Yes you too.


No, I guess I just wait for her to kick on and she must appear no. Okay. Hello? Yeah. All right. I got you. I got you. Can you see me full screen or kitty box?


yes. I'm I'm in the tiny little thing for me.


Okay. And for you I see your full screening nicely. Me on a tiny little box. All right. Have you ever done this before?


If. No, no.


You know he so where do work name or what do you


My


go?


name is Ian Yeah. Ian. What's yours


Story.


today? Okay. Hello?


Hi. Nice


huh.


to meet you.


Oh you too? So yeah, going on today.


the car


You got anything fun going on today other than your prolific.


kind of you know I'm gonna go see my granddaughter later. She called me up last night and she said do you have she noticed that we bought strawberries you know strawberries over there and uh uh strawberry shake? And then my son said well I don't have a blender. I'm like what happened here? I wonder. Well anyway, long story short on that. She calls me up like eight o'clock last night and she shouldn't have even known we had it. But she must have seen it refrigerator. You have a blender so I can make a shape and I'm like, um I do, but I'm not going to bring it over tonight anymore. And she's like, oh I want to just losing. And I said I'll bring it tomorrow after my video conference. You should go. So that's pretty much what I'm gonna do is hang out. What about you?

Mhm. Right. Mhm. Okay. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm.


Um I'm probably going to go to a park and place in Pokemon del and other than that I have um I'm in college right now. Um I go to a community college but due to the pandemic, it's all online I have I think I need to do for my physics class and I need to get that done today. Probably should have gotten it done a long time ago. It's


Quiet.


been assigned for like three weeks but I'll get it done today


Now you


increased.


don't have a voice? Yeah. Uh huh.


It's always uh like I look at the assignment I think that doesn't seem like it'll take that long. So why should I do it now? Uh


It's going to take either than I thought. Right, what do you go on for?


so I'm planning to go for product design because no. Yeah. What do you do?


Uh 30 more. I'm on disability. I got rear ended from somebody that was texting believe it or not at a stop sign with police directing traffic. It's like,


What?


what were you thinking? You know? So that put me on disability. So I just I work


But


part time because I can do that uh Otherwise just too busy though. I still busy


Okay. That's


so


fair. Right.


and I plan to procrastinate on things to only because I got time to christ now you know? Mhm. Life is


it's


good though. It's really


that's


yeah. Now how long have you been on prophylactic? Is that how you say it? Right.


Uh Yeah I so I started when the pandemic started because I you know needed a little bit of extra money and I did it a lot for like two months. And then I kind of just I kind of lost interest and then I'm just now getting back into it.


Yeah. Well I see that it's it's weird because you can only do one at a time. You can't last night usually I quit at night but I heard my little digger thing


No.


gold three times it went on and I thought what are they doing coming in on a friday night at eight o'clock


Well.


or whatever and I looked at them and there was three different ones but you can only click one and do it at a time right? Yeah and so that's kind of like oh so you can't you know there's two good ones you can't and there they're so far and few between. It seems like I've only been doing it though for a couple of months. I'm pro filic. So but I like it because it's easy it's you get paid well. Did that?

Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah. What? Okay. Mhm. Yeah.


Yeah it definitely does. Generally what I've noticed is I'll go like all day and not get a single survey and then all of a sudden a bunch will show up.


Yeah and then they lose them because while you're doing one a couple more, you know then people start doing them and then it's like oh no I don't have any and you know where have you do you do any other crowds? What


you know,


the out


can


started?


I have it?


I had years ago I kind of got for an amazon account and you know pennies on the pennies and pennies so I made about eight hours, you know and then I just let it sit there for about three years and then I had surgery so I'm off work and we don't get paid. So I thought, why don't we just try that again and see how that goes. It's a, they are learning curve huge and I'm high, I'm still learning, but it seems like anything that's over 50 cents or a dollar ones. I mean they get snatched up so quickly for me and good item, but I'm

Uh huh. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Uh huh. Oh okay. Yeah. Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah.


Fine.


in what about 553 months, which isn't bad for just doing some surveys. The problem is what hurts


wait.


is if you get a rejection and I've got rejections over stupid stuff like a penny. I'm thinking I'll do this, do the favor and I'll do it for a penny and then reject me for some stupid thing. And it's like, are you serious? You know?


How stingy are they with how they do in the face?


I know. And it's like, you know, I've written a lot of them like I really don't feel this reduction was legitimate and I'd give him a reason and it's a legitimate reason why like, oh, I don't know what happened last time. Oh, you're busy doing and it disappears on you. Okay, now


Mhm.


you got to return it or it's going to show an abandonment, abandonment hurt, so you return it and then they give you a rejection. It's like, why, why would you reject it? It's not my fault that it disappeared. It just just, you know, something like that, that it's kind of like you're in the, the people that hire you or the people that do when you're in there


Thank you.


hands. It's, you know, you gotta be really careful with it too, but hopefully it won't be forever, but it's kind of nice for some extra money or my transmission went out in my truck, so you need a lot of money, can't find anyone that does that. Um, uh huh.


Yeah.


I said, boy, if you're ever going to get into a, an area that you want to just pick up money, sometimes it's transmissions because ethics sensitive, you know, I just need, well, they got a poem usually, but 2200 bucks just to fix a leaking, um,


Oh


uh,


wow,


steals is leaking. And then they said, you might go through the torque converter while you're at it because they already got the engine out and it's like $2500. That's all labor, you know, and I thought, boy, that'd be a good one to get into because nobody does it on the side and you know, other stuff people can, but you know, bodywork, you can always find someone and mechanics,

mm hmm. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah.


What


you can always find somebody how they do it at home. Not


not?


transmissions. I even got a cousin that does body work. We've been in the business for 30 years and then his dad was in the business. He doesn't know anybody that those transmission on the side either. So


No


it's like welcoming me good one. But what's


what?


up with you


So I was so I yeah I started prolific at the start of the pandemic when I got furloughed from my job. I worked as a feeder manager.


or why?


Uh huh I was a manager at a movie theater. Yeah. And I don't I don't know if you've seen all this stuff in the news. Movie theaters are not doing movie figures are very negatively affected by this.


I don't, yeah.


Right. A lot of it would not surprise me if there are a couple years before there are movie heaters again after this pandemic. Oh


see, I know that ones are an opening and I thought about that the other day. People movie theaters. Um, do you have any driving fingers fight? Where do you live? Like michigan or?


I'm in north Carolina.


Okay. Do you have Dr ends up there?


I think there I think there is like one I no one I know a couple are opening because of those are doing very well.


Well, yeah, because you know, growing up and then when my kids were growing up, we were always at the drive in because you could, however many people you can spit, you know, and take your own food. You didn't have to buy it from the junk and someone got tired. They could go to school. I mean it was perfect and I noticed they opened one with about 40


What?


minutes from our house again minutes and they're booming because people can't the only movie theaters and people love to go to the movie theaters.


they do, yeah.


Uh So are you gonna if you're opens go back or are you just gonna


Mhm. So I I know so I know for a fact that the one I was working at is close for good, it was small, it hadn't made a profit in a what in a like a couple of years so I get it. So then I got transferred to the theater I started at before I got moved to the managerial job I had at this one and then that one uh regal which is the one I worked for. Just decided to that they are ending all operations in America. Um They say temporarily I think that's gonna change, I think it's going to be permanent. And now AMC is like in the news saying that if if something doesn't change by the end of the year they're gonna go bankrupt and Cinemark is also not doing well. So all theatres, I don't I don't think there's going to be movie theaters for a while.


or maybe ever. Maybe


That's


they


also possible. Like the big thing killing us is that like the like obviously those are big buildings, places that rent is expensive like in malls and shopping centers and they've been charging that rent all through the pandemic. So like the one I originally worked at and the one I was going to go back to their rent is over 100,000 month. Uh huh. Yeah.


how could they even pay it when the doors are closed?


Okay. I don't know. And so so I yeah, I don't see a way that movie theaters are going to come back,


I don't think so.


take so much money to open that, you know?


Yeah it's kind of like a it's gonna be because of this a dime dying not blue but you know that you'll look back and tell your kids you know when I was growing up we used to work at no you know it's kind of sad you know it's more than kind it's very sad.

Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Right. Uh huh. Oh. Mhm. Mhm.


I loved my job with either. Um It was my first job I started when I was 17, I worked there for three years because I loved it. Like I got along with my boss, I got along with everyone, I liked the work on slow days. I got to just go in and watch movies. Um


Right for life


I like, I thought I thought it was very likely that just because I get bored very easily that like even when I have like an actual career I'd go and work on like Sundays or Saturdays at the theater, but uh that's probably not going to happen now.


No. Well you know they say find a job that you love and you'll never have to work another day in your life and that's true if you really think about it you know?


Eddie.


But I mean who would have ever thought in a million years something like this would happen. No no one, you know it's like and it's affected so many things because I can't remember what it was. I drove past oh the pet store shop, I didn't ask one of them yesterday and I'm like oh my God they're gone. It's totally closed up you know and it's they couldn't make it their little you know people want to still open but it's now my job my part time job stayed open through the whole thing because it was considered of I don't know what they called it, I can't remember but we met food so a needed thing you know? But I don't really like that. It's too cold freezers like so

Uh huh. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Uh


warmer.


it's too cold but they stayed open. But even that was affected because of restaurants and you know all of that now. Can you bring this her epidemic was I know, I feel that it's some of it, not all of it, but some of it is over exaggerated because people are getting so many perks from it. Companies like I've read where the to Rome their funeral companies, they did aged so much money after that what it was but so much money per death if it's covid. So everything was getting written on covid for like seeing different things. Do you think some of it's just kind of exaggerated or is it real bad by you yet?

Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Oh. Uh huh. Uh huh. Mm. Mhm. Mhm. Oh yeah. Okay.


So. Uh huh. I don't know, I I'd say that like if 10% of it is exaggerated, that's still a million deaths worldwide. So I say that's so pretty serious and while wealth places like funeral homes, they do get that bonus, like think about how like so many businesses were work ended by this. So I don't uh I think it all has to be pretty real because it hurts way more than a benefit. It hurts way more powerful people than it benefits.


that's true.


I I don't I've never been like a super hard political person. I think after the pandemic, there's anyway our president is going to be reelected, like whether it's his fault or not. I think a lot of people will see a lot of it as his fault. Well,


think that, see I'm I'm see I've never been politically. I just I go with my gut, I go with life. You know that kind of thing. What I feel little things that maybe I've read about. And my my son had said to me this first, this last election, not this one but the last one when trump was he said, you know what mom, I'm not even gonna vote this use. I don't like either one of them. And I said, okay, I said you don't have an option on that because you were born in a free country and you can vote so you will vote. But I'm not gonna tell you what to do. But I'm going to ask you a question and he said, okay, shoot. I said now there's two kinds of people in the world. There's people that will tell you everything you want to hear because they think it's what you want here and members people that will tell you right to your face. I don't agree with you. I don't like it and Mr Mountain missing that, you know, whatever. But you know that some what kind of person do you gravitate to? Or do you like when you hang out with people are in school or whatever, do you like the ones that tell you everything you want to hear and

all right. Yeah. Uh huh. Wow. All right, mm. All right. Uh huh. Mhm, mm hmm. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Uh huh Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Okay. Right.


So


agree with you with everything instead of just


when you mhm


so you know what, we're going to have to agree to disagree because I don't agree with what you're saying. What kind of person do you like? And he said all right, and that was it. We never talked about it again. He had a chance. Well, when I look at all of this that's going on, I think


People.


this is gonna be one of the closest worst elections ever compared


I am


to what happened when he was elected. I mean, it's like, come on, you know what? The people chose him, He's going to be the President of the United States, quit crying about it. All of us have one and all of us have lost different elections on people we want to deal with it. Don't go set fires and beat people up and do whatever crazy


Well,


people are doing okay. So


Uh huh.


let me see all of this with I didn't even watch the whole thing, but I saw not to catch up when trump was on his first debate


Number


with Biden and Biden turned it around onto a instead of a social issue with what's going on with the terrorism in the country and just everything we planted onto the hook, looks climbing type of thing. So you can do with any or white supremacists. what do they do with what you guys are even talking about? Nothing.

hey? Mhm. Right. Oh, Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


Hey.


You're trying to sidetrack. They make people think that he, you know, and that kind of thing. And then the other thing that really bothers me about the whole thing is that my husband before he died was really


Yeah.


sick for a long time. Well, he couldn't leave the house. So


I'm


you had to go through a lot to get him to be able to vote by mail. It wasn't just, Oh, yeah, you want to do that? Okay. I mean, he had to get paid for sign from the doctor and just different stuff. And because they wanted to make sure


All


before people being lazy and just when I go to the polls, but we build it. Um, I think three elections by mail before he died. Well, wow, they're really pushing this because of Covid. and I really think there's


Man.


an underlying reason for that. I believe that I honestly I believe that democrats


Thank


are trying


you.


to they want in and they want mhm get both within the country as we know it in the one we're doing here. You're not going to live like we live now because


Hi.


that group, not just because they're democrats, but that group of people want socialism to come in. And I don't think the younger people don't really understand, but we could end up like Venezuela and it can clip. So


I mean so I think that if joe biden wins just looking at joe biden himself, I don't know how much will change because joe biden does not stand for anything and is like, like all the ads for joe biden, they're not about joe biden there, hey don't vote for donald trump. There's this guy who has no opinions, just not donald trump. But I think if joe biden doesn't change a lot, I think the next election, that's when someone like Bernie Sanders is going to win because I feel like a lot of younger people that are worried that don't like the current political stuff, how like everyone's funded by big businesses and all that stuff, they realized that it was not a Republican issue and it was not a democrat issue, it was just a all the politics are like this, so


I agree with that. And, you know, I think the way I look at it with this is, I mean, I'm old. You know, so I've been through a lot of elections and as I look back through the years, there's I think a lot of them can be bought trump, can't be bought. He's got so much money, he doesn't need their money. He doesn't need, like if someone says, well you got to do it this way. No, I don't go ahead, hold your money.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah. Mhm Yeah yeah yeah. All right. Mhm. Mhm. Oh my God


I would so I'd say the thing with that is well I don't think donald trump I mean it can be bought or needs to be bought. I think the people around him him I think a big part I think I think that a lot of people who would decide to work with him politically are doing it for money so


I agree with that. And I think that's a lot why he's gotten rid of people, you know, different reasons that untrustworthy, whatever. Uh um I know a lot of people say, well, he tweets that he does this and that. Yeah, I think he just wants the people to know the truth. And the president has always been told, you don't say too much, you don't, you know, kind of sweep it under that rug a little bit. Be quiet. He's a big


mom.


I am all I'm fine with like I'm fine with the twitter because I don't I don't think like if you have a specific job you shouldn't be allowed to have opinions. That doesn't make sense to me. Like when a celebrity comes out and says something and everyone's like just stick to whatever you do it's like so what jobs are allowed to talk about politics? What what does bother me is like when he announces stuff that should be like an actual like press release from the president and he just does that by his twitter because like I I don't want to follow him because I don't care about a lot of bloody tweets, like I don't like I don't care when he goes on a long rant about saturday night live, which I don't know why they make such a big thing of bullying him.


I know. Uh please.


I don't I don't care enough to to read that, but then he'll the next tweet will be something that should be like an actual press release and I just I don't like that rants about saturday night live and then actual press release stuff are on the same platform.


Right. But do you think that it's because and I believe it's true too, but he really believes that the truth doesn't get through the press. Like it used to like before reporters would be like, they swore like a doctor does to secrecy that they would tell the truth and now they just kind of whoa, stuff out.


Oh so I'd say that what reporters have, what what the world has learned through this and I'd say kind of the end of the last couple of years of President Obama's presidency, is that the truth can mean a lot of different things like like like what you mentioned with the white supremacy comment, he was asked will you disavow white supremacy? And he said I don't remember exactly what he said, but like he did not exactly say I disavow white supremacy, so the people who don't like him can report that he refused to say that, do you like him can be like he didn't say that he said this which can be taken the same


That


way


that which is the he said she said right,


and it's not it's not that either, either side is lying, it's not that either side is not telling the truth there, just not saying the whole truth.


saying the truth. Right.


Yeah. And the problem is like, like some people, like people who are hardcore democrats are like no you gotta listen to this because they tell the whole truth and hardcore republicans are like you got to listen to this because they tell the whole truth. Neither of them are counting


You're correct.


you. It's impossible to get the whole truth.


Yes. That is


Well.


true. That is very cool. Right. We've


I


got go ahead.


yeah I was gonna say it has been about half an hour.


Yeah, we gotta make sure. Oh, how many we needed to do? 25. Right. I


do.


was so nice to look at you. I'm gonna do this again. This was fun. It's


was my starting.


nothing. Um How do we could go off it though now? Mhm.


I think I think we just close the tab.


What was it out? Okay. Well,


it was nice talking to you.


you too. Have a wonderful day and good luck with your assignment.


Thank


Bye


you,


bye.


great. Yeah. Uh huh. Oh sure that's good. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Okay, mm. Okay. Mhm. Okay. Uh huh.


Hello.


Hello,


I'm Jason.


Jimmy.


Can you see? Oh good, good. Sorry if a train comes by we kind of live near the track


No


so


that's


I


don't know,


fine.


interrupter. I'm sorry.


No,


So


no worries. Okay,


what what's your name?


my name is Jimmy.


Oh good to meet you jimmy.


Yeah, you do,


That's a nice room. Do you live in a Yeah, that's nice.


thank you.


Wish our place was that nice. It's kind of a met.


Oh, it's a mess underneath it. We got kids uh below that, there's toys everywhere. Mhm.


Yeah. That's why. Yeah. That's what my sister tells me. She's got kids, they have toys all over. She kind of spoils her kids. So the floor is all covered with toys and she feels like all self conscious about it. She lives in it and that's what she tells


that,


me. She lives in a different area and I haven't been up there in a while so I wouldn't know.


yeah, I don't feel too bad, I mean it's somewhat embarrassing, but at the same time there's kids, I mean it's what they do, so


Yeah. There there precious gift and all you know. Yeah. No, nothing to feel ashamed about their


so


the hot.


like I tell my wife all the time at least it's just toys. I mean it's not like we've got like moldy pizza in the corner, you know?


It could be worse. Could be like someone's dorm room or something with the pizza on the floor. Like your son. Yeah, it gets worse. Beer bottles.


So where about you live?


Right. Yeah. Oh, Bakersfield California. Yeah. Uh So are are you are you actually in like Green Bay or some part of Wisconsin?


Yeah, I live in Wisconsin,


You


but


just


I


have


live right by the Minnesota Wisconsin border, so like the twin cities are like 20 miles


what?


from here. Yeah,


wow.


so green paste, like five


That.


hours I think, 4.5 hours from here.


Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it was uh there's something else what happened in Minnesota. I mean, I don't know, I'm sure people have strong feelings about it either way. But you know, um it sounds like you're you're pretty close to uh where all that happened.


Yeah, I have my own opinion. Most of the people around here don't share the same, most of the people around here.


No.


We live in a rural area. So I mean we live close to the twin cities but most of the people can kind of consider that its own different world and it kind of is I mean we, the town I live in I think it's like 9000 people. I mean it's again it's close to the city's but this is a small town compared to it. So I think most of the people around here have strong feelings in one direction.


I see. Yeah, I would say this is uh this you know, is a much larger city than what you're describing, but it's like one of the most conservative parts of California. So I would say there's been a lot of people that are feel like, you know, any suggestion of an attack on the police are negative feelings towards the police. I think they feel they feel bad about. But I I tend to sympathize with, I try to sympathize with everyone, I would say. I don't know. I guess I'm a little bit more liberal, but


Yeah. I feel the


same


don't


way.


know.


I mean I police shouldn't begin attacked on account of it. Uh but at the same time like I feel bad when reading some of the stories from some of the, you know, some black folks and some of the stuff they've had to deal with. So I all cops are bad. All black people are bad. I don't understand why some people feel they have to just be so adamant on one side or the other. I mean


What?


it was an unfortunate situation and it was a horrible situation. But I mean that doesn't mean because a couple of cops made some bad decisions that all the all cops are bad.


Yeah. No, I think individual psychology has more to do with people, no matter what their profession is or there, you know, their class or the race, I would say there's just a lot that has to do with the individual characteristics of that person. Maybe, you know, part of who they are as a part of society is kind of that has something to do with it, but also various other factors. I just I just think individually, people tend to, some people tend to be more violent, Some people tend to be less violent, that kind of thing. I don't know. I'm no great spokesman as as you can tell them not that articulate, but I try to make sense of it


Yeah. I wish more people did.


like


I mean, I don't have the background like you said, I, I just try to be understanding of all parties what anything. I mean there's so much stuff going on and I try to understand why it's, you know, why do you feel that this way or that way? But it's, you sound a lot more articulate than makes up. Uh, huh. Oh


no, it's not true. You you put your you've just put your sentences together much better than I did remember. I'm trying to take this one college class and the and the professor basically said, I forget the joke that he told that. He basically said that you know, I can't I was going to give a I was going to give a bad answer, but that was a pretty bad question or something. Like just we all had a good laugh at that. But


So did you complete college?


I'm


What


nervous


you go through college for?


and I didn't I


Just


mean,


take


I


some courses?


I try I tried economics and stuff and didn't really work out. I am haven't haven't been employed in a while, but I guess it's nothing nothing not that much different than a lot of people these days. All right. so how is pop Out? Is the covid thing where you are.