or no p. 17 rather. And it's It's a tiny little 22 pistol that holds 17 rounds.


Mhm Yeah. Mhm Yeah.


And that I think $185 out the door. And my, one of my main reasons for that is because right now depending on where you buy ammo, you're paying if you found an animal for 25 cents around for nine millimeter right now that would be a hell of a deal.


Great. Yeah. Yeah. And that 22 is so cheap to do.


Exactly. And even now like that's going for like 15 cents most places, you know, or more.


Mhm Okay. Mhm Yeah.


Uh and that's you know, a year ago when I got, when I originally got my nine, I was buying nine millimeter rounds for 12 13 cents apiece right now.


Yeah. Mhm, mm hmm. Yeah.


21 for what nine was going for.


Yeah. No, I I ended up buying a bunch of 22, I have a smith and Wesson rough rider, just a little 22 of revolver, a little sick shot.


Uh huh. Yeah. Okay.


But I bought like, he was like 1000 or 2000 rounds because I got like an insane deal on it. It was like a couple of coupons that stacked on top of each other.


Yes.


So I think I'm getting it for like half a penny around under something ridiculous like I paid like almost nothing for it. So yeah, that's I think the cheapest could I?


Yeah. That's I think the cheapest that I ever saw was like 1.2 cents around.


Yeah, I think I think it was point 6.7 cents around is one and it was because there was like two or three coupons that were never supposed to stack on top top of each other.


Oh yeah. Yeah. Mhm.


But they know there is an air in their system.


Yeah.


So the company definitely lost money out of out of me for that one.


Oh hey We're getting close to 25 minutes but I'm gonna give you a couple of tips about prolific.


Oh hey We're getting 25 property. Okay.


These are things that I never um post on the website because I'm kind of stingy and I don't want it to be common knowledge.


Thing that I never yes. Yeah.


But you know if I. P.


M. One person, if I tell you you seem like a cool guy um if you ever get a higher dollar survey that comes through and it says zero places remaining, keep that up, it just keeps spamming the button.


I tell you you think. Okay. Mm. Yeah. Mhm.


I'd say about 3 3 or four times out of five.


Okay. Okay. But yeah.


I keep spamming that button and I eventually get it.


Really?


But those are like usually usually those are on surveys that are like you know usually the ones that come through that have zero places remaining Are like Alex are more 3, 3 problems or more I guess I should say problem.


I've never tried that. Yeah. Mm No money. No understand dropping mm Yeah pounds and for example I think two weeks out, two weeks ago, right?


And for example, I think two weeks about two weeks ago I had one come through that was posted as 15 lbs.


50 it was, I don't know.


Um And it was it was a video similar to the and not really similar to this.


Well mhm.


It was a conferencing sort of survey.


Yeah. Okay.


Um And there was the research was there and then I was paired up with one other person.


Yeah.


We just had to repeat things that we were seeing from a link.


Yeah. Yeah.


She was doing like a language study was an asian girl. She's she's nice sweetheart.


Um But when that one came up it was no joke, it was zero places remaining and I kept spamming it for like five minutes, got up smoke to have a cigarette laid back down, spending a couple more times checked on cuba to see if there were any good surveys.


Uh huh. Bye. Yeah. What?


There went back spending a couple more times and after clicking it like three or four times it was saying you know sorry, Surveys full and after clicking it like four or 5 times after coming back after clicking it probably 50 times.


Yeah. Oh yeah. What? Right.


Finally let me in.


I wonder if that's like because people are dropping out or something and not completing.


I think that's exactly what it is. But I think at a certain point um You know prolific probably doesn't repost it right away.


Mhm. Yeah.


They might wait an hour for a year until the next day or whatever.


Um And a lot of people don't know that if you leave it up and keep spamming it like that there's a good chance you actually will get in.


Yeah I'll have to keep fine.


Um I've actually had a bunch where I just keep clicking it and then I go and I'll do something else for a minute.


Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


Go back to it, click it again, you know 2030 times and I'm like all right, you know just one last time just for shits and giggles.


Yeah. But what?


And I click it and allow the pop up screen.


Yeah.


Like did you hear like okay?


Yeah. No. Yeah there was one that came through, it was like 10 or $15 and I was like play this video game or something and I was like I started as soon as it refreshed I clicked it was already empty so so I wish I would have uh would have known about that but I'll definitely keep it in mind for next time.


Like I said, man, it doesn't work every time, but more often than not.


Okay. Mhm. But there's a possibility that it will.


I Well, it's more likely than not. I'd say more than 50% of the time I end up getting in.


Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well I appreciate that. Oh I think that yeah that's over the time so I'll, yep.


Well, yeah, You're a cool guy. You're a cool guy. But they're only paying us to do a 25 minute conversation.


Exactly. So no.


We have a couple of minutes.


Um I wish your governor luck.


Yeah I wish your state law Have a good one but


Which you want risky work. All right man, fun. Yeah, but


for me.


Hello?


Hello a little bit.


Can you hear me?


Yep.


How are you?


Uh I'm okay yourself?


I'm okay too, thank you.


Mhm. Um This uh how many of these have you done?


I think this is my Like my 4th or 5th I would say.


Yeah.


What about you?


About the same, yeah.


Mhm.


Um It seems like a pretty, I said about the same.


What? Yeah.


It seems like a pretty of the survey's I've done on the site. Seems like a pretty good one.


Yeah it's a pretty good incentive. Like usually like are you on just prolific or you're on other other things do?


Yeah. No I'm just.


Yeah usually gonna, there's never like an individual survey that goes like over like $5 for the most part. So like a $10 1 is pretty good.


Yeah. Yeah that's true. Yeah, some of the surveys to their bit, I just remember doing one that was like you had to like look for the numbers that added up To 100 or something out of like a field of like 200 numbers.


No. Oh God.


And And and at first I was like Oh cool because it was like it was like $5 or something. I was like Oh cool. So I was doing it for about 10 minutes after 10 minutes, like I don't think I can do another 45 minutes of this.


Mhm. What we will publicly advertised time on that?


I quit. Um You was an hour.


Oh wow. I feel like they should pay more for that I think.


Is us dollars.


Was it like $5 and like us dollars or British dollars? Oh wow.


Yeah, so some of them are a little like, like I don't mind answering a lot of questions, but if there's like a lot of cognitive load involved.


Oh yeah because the questions can be just like long but like they're not like too much effort on your part because they're pretty simple.


Mhm. Right. Right. Right. But if you have to like do a bunch of math or something, I guess that's not really math, but it's it's still like mentally a lot more taxing than answering questions about yourself.


Yeah I think I got like the worst one I got was actually today it was like a 40 minute study and it was something about like memorizing like text and I had to speak it back into like the computer.


Right. That sounds right.


Yeah.


Yeah. I think the best ones are just like when it's like a dollar for like two minutes of questions and like sweet.


Mm Yeah, because those add up to and it's like not too much.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Uh What part of the country are you in West Coast?


I'm from the east coast. What about you? Cool. What brings you to the west coast?


Uh huh. Good question. I guess my dad a long time ago I got a job out here. Um Have you always lived on the East Coast or?


That's cool. Oh yeah, my entire life.


Cool. Yeah. It's weird. Um I don't know about you, but I've only been partnered with opposite coast people.


That's weird. My last one was actually from the same coast as me.


Okay. Uh yeah, maybe.


Maybe there's a lot of east coast people and you're getting all of them.


Yeah, I guess there's more population on the East Coast in general, so that could be it. Um Yeah, there was a guy from Florida to people from New York and one person from Massachusetts.


That's cool.


So um, it's it's uh, I don't know what latitude you're at, but I'm north enough that it's getting dark around like 4:00 these days.


No part. Yeah.


So I had, okay, yes, I had like, I haven't actually done one of these when it's dark before I had to figure out the whole lighting thing.


For me like this one sets around like 4:30 and it's darkly like five. Yeah. Mhm.


Yeah, that is other room lights, but they're like halogen down lights and they don't uh I think they actually make it harder to see my face because it's like my eyebrows cast a shadow on the other my face.


Yeah.


Uh huh. Uh so I just have a desk man pointed at the wall right now. But yeah, how's uh how's fall go? I guess it's almost winter winter now. I don't know when is winter officially?


Yeah, I think it I think is I think it actually doesn't start until late december. Like I feel like, yeah, like nobody would consider like just like early december, like fall.


Oh, really? Yeah, I wouldn't agree with that either. The like the span from like mid october to like early March here is basically just like uh try to remember what it's like to see the sun.


Yeah. Well mhm wow.


Yeah. Uh huh. It's pretty cloudy all the time and it stays really even during the daytime, even at noon, it's like really dim. Um Sometimes even if it's cold outside, I'll just open the window so it's a little brighter inside. Uh huh. Uh Yeah. Do you all get a lot of snow over there? Not really.


Not a lot. Like we usually have like it's some, we're not like to up north, but it's like like that usually it's like um every other winter, like one will be bad and then the next one we get like no snow.


Okay. Okay, that's good, that size.


What about you? Do you get a lot of snow?


No, maybe every couple winners will get not a lot of snow, but enough snow for here that it messes things up.


Mhm.


Um And it also tends to we tend to hover around the like the freeze temperature, so we tend to get a lot of ice if we if we get some snow, it all turns to ice within a couple of days. Um So that's why things usually get messed up But uh yeah, if we get more than like 2" people panic and the grocery stores are all out of like bread.


I'm it's been okay, not too bad actually, like I've been managing, managing everything fine.


Uh huh. Uh and stuff. Um How's your week been so far?


What about you?


About the same. I I haven't got a lot, I've been trying to shop for eyeglasses online which is a lot harder than I thought.


It turns out the websites don't really care what whether or not your friends are going to fit so you have to like be really careful and a lot of them have really bad return policies like any optical, it's really popular site but basically unless they totally mess up, you're going to pay at least half the cost plus shipping to retrain your glasses.


Yeah. Oh God. I mean, do you know anyone who's shop for my glasses before?


Uh huh. Um I mean I've talked to a couple who did it online but not many people. My prescription is kind of strong so that makes it more challenging.


If you don't have a very strong prescription, you can be um you have a lot more leeway in terms of mistakes but if you're if you're not too accurate with fitting with a stronger prescription, you get really bad visual distortion, you get headaches and stuff.


Mhm, wow. Look. Yeah.


So Pretty much since I was like 10 or something.


Have you worn glasses like your entire life?


Um Yeah, I wish I could spend more time outdoors.


Probably would have avoided this fate.


Yeah, I've never had them before.


Um Yeah.


I do get tested early and they always like, they're starting to tell me now that if I have spent too much time on the screen that I like when you like reading glasses, but like now we're in the place where you you're always on the screen for everything, so it's like I out of my hands.


Yeah, You can just like look across the room or down the hallway every 20 minutes or so even for just like 30 seconds. That supposedly helps quite a bit.


That's cool.


Mhm.


I didn't know that.


Yeah it's basically just about getting your your eye muscles to do some distance focusing.


Um Because if they're near focused all the time eventually um it's a combination of your muscles balance changing and changing the shape of your lens. Yeah but yeah something yeah contacts are nice though.


That's cool. I was definitely pick that one up.


I hope when the pandemics over I'll go back to wearing those but right now I don't want to be touching my eyes a lot.


Yeah, that makes sense.


Yeah mm. Uh What uh do you manage Two? I totally lost it. What's uh do you watch any like shows on netflix or anything like that?


Not a lot of show actually did watch one show recently. I'm not a huge tv person, but I guess you asked me at the right time.


I just finished watching, I don't know if you've heard of it, but like neon genesis Evangelion.


Uh huh. I have heard of it it sounds it's like a pretty famous anime. I'm not super inanimate myself but I've heard it's quite good.


Yeah. Yeah, me neither.


Um Okay that's cool.


I thought I wasn't gonna like it. So things like the first half of the show, it's actually like interesting. Is the guy who made the show like 14 episodes in like his friend got him a second, like a psychology textbook is like a gift. So like being higher tone of the shit that the show like shifts halfway through because it goes from like robot anime uh to like something like darker and more like mental. So like I like the second half, the first time I sort of had to sludge through but the second half was good.


Yeah I don't mind spoilers. What's so in terms of the psychological aspect, what's it kind of and john Yeah.


Uh huh. Well I mean I guess like the setup of the show it's like it's the apocalypse or whatever and there's a lot of more detail than that. But they need these like kids to like fight giant robots and at first it starts like oh the kids just have to pile with the robots and they're just luckily chosen for it.


Okay.


But then it later comes down to the fact that like they can only like fight the angels which are like the monsters because like the soul of like they're dead mother is in the robot and or the main character also has depression and like horrible relationship with his father.


Okay. Okay. Mhm. Okay.


Then the main the second name girl is like they reveal her mother killed herself and like she found her dead body and um all the characters basically have deep psychological stuff and then like the last two episodes like are very controversial because it's literally just like they like try and make this project like where they combine every single humans like into one mind.


Oh well okay.


So like there's no different people, it's just everybody is in one like collective hive mind thing and it's essential watching people like the characters that mentally fall apart as that happens.


Yeah. Yeah. Oh chief yeah that sounds pretty intense.


Yeah.


Uh I can't really think of a show that compares to that at all.


Mhm. Um I don't know.


Yeah it's kind of interesting, it's like weird.


Mhm.


I was found much of a tv person growing up but with streaming services it's kind of nice because you can just see if you like something and if you don't like it then you know you just put it down you don't have to wait few months or something for something to come out.


Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. I've always been more of a movie person to like it's less of a commitment, you know what I mean?


Um Yeah that's true, that's true. What uh what's one of your favorite movies?


I got to think like a lot of movies um I guess what I've seen recently that I really liked was um Recently watched 20th century woman which I really like.


Not like one of my favorites but I enjoyed it.


I haven't heard of it, what's it about?


It's about like it takes place in the 70s and it's about like a 15 year old boy and like it's um he has a single mom. It's not there's really not a lot of plot. It's just a very pretty movie and it's fun And we the mom tries to must be tenant like she's like 2030 And she's like alternative like punk like that type of 70 stuff And the 16 year old friend to help raise him into what's a good man?


Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. That's interesting. There's a, when I was taking french we we watched some movies I was just thinking about this because you were talking about the enemy.


I was like in terms of like really I guess heavy movies for some reason the french are just really good at making them.


Um There's we had we watched this one movie about um a man with a developmental disability and I guess his family rejects him for some reason and he runs into this businessman um who is going through a divorce or something because son Um he's like eight year old son um doesn't identify as male and he just can't deal with it.


So he decides to divorce his wife. Um And so it's like this movie about like them getting to know each other and getting a lot at first like the businessman just like trying to get the guy to leave them alone.


Sure.


Um But anyways I won't spoil the rest of it. Uh, if you're really like movies about psychology and relationships, I can try to find the title.


I don't remember it off the top of my head.


Okay. I think like the description enough is pretty unique that there's not gonna be too many movies that are in front about like a rejected disabled man running into a divorced businessman.


Mm. Yeah, Yeah. Mm. The, yeah, there's another movie to uh, I don't remember much of it, but a guy goes back to his family's vineyard to try to revive it.


Yeah.


Um, and it's just like, the whole movie is just brutally sad.


Mhm.


It's like, I don't know what it is. Uh, maybe it was just my teacher. Uh, but it was uh, yeah. Um, have you ever, but in terms of like kind of just fun movies, there's a really good Canadian movie called gun lists and it's about the Montana kid. Um, and he ends up Canada and he doesn't understand why everybody is so damn nice.


Mhm. Mhm.


What is it called again?


Um, Gunman.


Gun was That's fun.


Yeah, it's really pretty. It has a lot of good cinematography and landscapes. And they built this whole like little western town out in the middle of nowhere to shoot the movie. Um Yeah, it's really funny. It's like, it's got a lot of surprisingly large amount of like physical humor too.


So it's like this weird, I don't know if you ever saw an airplane or?


I have a way.


Okay. Yeah. So not quite as like crazy as that, but there's you know how airplane has some like physical humor.


Um House has a fair amount of that and you don't see that a lot these days unless it's like some like an Adam Sandler movie, but it's not like damn like down the movie.


Mhm. Yeah.


Mm What's ah do you usually watch more like comedies or dramas or horror action or?


Are clear like more like dramas I guess because it's hard to find like a lot of good comedies, not that like there aren't ones, but like it's a lot easier to make a bad comedy than like a bad drama and have the bad comedy like more popular and well known.


Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Adam Sandler in a nutshell.


Yeah.


Uh I think he tried to make serious movies and he was like, nobody cares, nobody wants to watch my serious movies.


Uh huh.


I'm just going to higher my friends to make stupid movies in Hawaii. Yeah, we're gonna have a good time and make lots of money making stupid movies.


He wasn't like one though. Like uncut gems was supposed to be like good I think.


Yeah, I've got jones and then surprisingly click the one with the remote was like a really deep movie.


Mhm.


It did not expect that are Yeah.


Have you seen it like, I mean Yeah, I guess you have. Well I asked that, what's it about?


Yeah, there's like a lot more like confronting existential crises then you expect from an Adam Sandler comedy. Um he finds this remote that allows him to rewind fast forward time and it leads to a lot of introspective existential questions on his part.


Mhm. That's cool. I I'm usually not into huge adam Sandler movies, but I'll check it out.


No, yeah, I am not a, not a huge fan of him or either. I was just thinking in terms of like stupid comedies is pretty high other than like Seth Rogan and Will Ferrell, um the rest of that crew.


Yeah. Mhm. I mean what about you, have you seen any like good tv shows recently with like streaming?


Um Yeah it's not really doesn't have a plot but the great british bake off for great british baking show is always good.


Mhm. Oh my God. I love I love that show so good.


It's yeah it's like you know it's got just enough drama to keep it exciting but it's not overly food network. Uh huh.


Mhm. Wait, I just I recently finished like my first whole season of it.


Have you seen the one with like francie Francis and ruby and like Kimber way?


That's the yeah Kimberly. She does she's got glasses right She does like a lot of japanese cakes or.


I don't think so.


Okay maybe I I've seen all of them.


Maybe not.


I just don't remember all of them.


Yeah, I think Kimberly is like like ruby is like the one that's really good, but she gets anxious all the time and then I don't think he was actually really young.


Mhm. Oh okay. Is she a mom? She had two kids or 3?


I think ruby was really young and then came Roy was, she was like african american and she was really good and then they had Frances Frances ended up winning I think.


Oh okay okay. Yeah I don't remember this season off the top of my head but I'm sure it was.


Mhm Yeah, I know.


Was it mary berry and paul Hollywood? Where the host?


Yeah, Before mary hood I forgot exactly, but it's like it's like the blonde woman and then the woman of the black short hair and the glasses.


Okay who were there? Like who are like the M. C. S. I like. Mhm. Okay. Yeah I was an earlier season then. Um Yeah that's always good if you like that show you might like another one called grand designs about housing.


Mm hmm. What's that?


It's like an architect goes around and tours all these house builds. It's more exciting that that that description makes it sound um Because he's like really friendly to which makes it good to give them advice.


Mhm Yeah, mm is that what is that on, like streaming wise?


Well not on camera but you can tell he's giving them advice off camera. Um And he asked him like good questions but not in like a rude way. Uh Mhm. Um there's two seasons on Netflix and two seasons on Amazon and you can search on youtube, you can find seasons there too.


Mhm Right, that's cool.


Um But but in terms of like actual show shows I was thinking of drama there's a drama serial called Person of Interest and it's also a bit psychological.


Mhm Mhm Yeah.


Uh It ran for a really long time. Is there's five seasons I think or six, Can't remember, it's like 120 episodes or something. Um And it's about this really wealthy dude who builds a mass surveillance system. Mhm. And um the surveillance system is actually a character because it has a general intelligence. So it's an artificial super intelligence.


Mhm Yeah.


And uh it starts off kind of like like law and order or like serial crime. I mean episode of crime show sort of thing. So don't don't think that that's like the whole show after like the first season or about halfway through the first season, the serial plot starts going, it gets really um It's the only show I've ever seen that actually like talks about what would make a robot more human or what makes humans more like robots.


Mhm. Mhm And when it Uh huh that's cool on one Yeah, I like Black Mirror so haven't seen it in a while but Uh huh thank you mhm What's it about?


Um And it's it's really um it's just really interesting. There's a bunch of really interesting characters, they all have pretty fleshed out backgrounds and um you really like, it's like you think you know what's going on and then there's another layer and then there's another layer and then there's another layer and it just keeps going uh until you're not really sure what's going on anymore and then it kind of wraps it up at the end in a good way. So it's hard to explain. But long story short, the machine gives the guy the guy like at first he didn't care about. The machine is designed to detect terrorist threats, but it can see any kind of like premeditated violence. And at first he was like well it's not my job to deal with that, but then he started like watching people die remotely basically and he got really sad about it. So he hired this guy uh and the two of them go around preventing murders and stuff like that. Uh yeah, it's kind of a weird like techie shoulder Sherlock Holmes dystopian, if I like, if you like Black Mirror, you probably like this show. Uh yeah, this is like a little, yeah, this is not quite as uh dystopian as Black Mirror, but um, and it's more like adventurous I guess, but I think you'd be up your alley. Um And another one is occupied or occupant. That's a pretty solid drama, It's not too long. Um think of film Norway, it's about a Russian occupation of Norway.


Oh that's cool.


Yeah, that one's interesting.


Like what language is it?


Um, it's a normal, is it?


Is it like Russian or is it like a what?


Norwegian and American is in Norwegian and Russian and English, depending on who talking if it's Norwegian talking for Russian, they're probably talking in english.


Uh huh mhm Yeah. Yeah.


Mm Yeah, yeah.


Is it like me? But like a Norwegian company? Uh huh that's cool.


Um so yeah, it's uh it's, it's interesting because you don't see a lot of, at least from american productions, there's like a lot of dramas that are like involved quite a bit of violence and this one does really have much overt violence, so when it happens it's like very impactful um person of interest is kind of comical, like there's like a lot of shooting uh uh yeah, I don't know how the show would work though otherwise because it's sort of like a weird cross between like a western and a yeah crime thriller.


Mhm mhm I'll check it out.


Um What what up? Yeah, so um what else do you do for fun besides movies, do you?


Nothing much really. Not that except Yeah, I did Portland mhm Yeah, mm Uh huh I think we just hope, yeah, I was going to say we just hit that period of the pandemic where it's like It feels real but it feels not, but we also did hit 25 minutes.


Yeah, yeah, you know it's a good time to to not do a whole lot to be honest. Um I uh I don't know, it's kind of interesting at first, I was like pretty bummed about the whole pandemic thing and I'm lucky that it does like I can still work um uh but now it's just kind of like Hit 25 minutes, okay. Uh Yeah, I was gonna good um I was just gonna say like at first it was like it felt like it was taking forever and then uh now it's like I've settled into a routine and I feel like I could do this routine for another year. No problem.


Yeah, like I think I don't like wanted to continue but it would also upset my routine to go back to normal Yeah mhm Okay mhm mhm Oh wow.


Yeah, I don't, I think like pretty much anyone who's able to work from home and doesn't have to take care of kids is probably not too happy to go back into the office. I know um commuting here is like crazy, I was just gonna run just a couple minutes over just in case uh for the chat. Um But commuting here is like I used to wake up at 5 30 get on the bus at 6 15, get to work at 7 50 Get on the bus again at 5:30, Get home at 7:30. Uh huh. And like try to cook dinner and eat and then sleep and then just do it all over again and if there was like a ball game That I wasn't getting home until like 8:30 or nine um There were days where it was faster to walk home than it was to take the bus.


Yeah mhm Right.


Uh not that I would want to walk 15 miles but. Uh huh. So yeah. Okay, I think it has been a solid 25 minutes. Um Just want to make sure we I don't remember, do you remember what time you joined?


I think we've around nine, so I think we'll be good.


Okay.


Probably right.


Yeah, it's ah on my clock it's two minutes past so maybe run it like one or 2 more minutes just in case.


Mhm.


Mhm. Because I didn't I wasn't keeping track of when you joined and I joined like three minutes early so um Mhm.


Mhm. Yeah. Trying to search for that french film you told me about the one affect the disabled man.


Oh yeah.


Yeah.


Chocolate maybe yeah.


Mhm. Mhm.


Maybe I can find it. Yeah the he the disabled person is uh allergic to chocolate.


Yeah, I was going to mhm.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah man. No.


Quick. Yeah.


Yeah actually not getting a lot of right.


Yeah. Yeah. I keep getting like the Intouchables, which I know is not it.


Uh Uh huh.


Yeah. Yeah.


Uh Yes yeah yeah I wish I could remember the new um Yeah.


They only had That's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm.


Uh huh.


Yeah yeah yeah Intouchables comes up a lot.


Uh huh. Two with the card on my Googling like french movie, allergic to chocolate disability. Yeah.


Uh Hi mm You probably would like probably honestly if you go and like Reddit or something you find yeah you find some subreddit for french films and you ask there somebody will know um I don't know the name.


Yeah. Yeah, they probably did. Mhm.


It's a really touching film though. It's like um you ever seen that short film the three D. Animated short film with the kiwi bird?


I don't think so. The kiwi bird?


Okay yeah if you go to Youtube and you just search for kiwi it should be one of the top results.


No. Yeah. Mhm.


Uh huh. It has a similar vibe to that short film. Uh Okay.


Yeah I think we have totally, Yeah it's the third hit on YouTube.


Mhm.


three d. animated Kiwi master's thesis. 44 million views about three minutes long. Um Kiwi with an exclamation mark apparently at all.


Okay. Uh huh.


Uh Yeah similar vibe to that short film is the best way I can describe it. I think it's totally totally worth if you can find it totally worth watching really like for some reason like american films are just not very good. I think at exploring relationships that are not like pretty, there's like a very like set typecast relationships in american films, just none of them.


Yeah. Mhm, mm hmm.


I think of the regulation ships in this film fit and anything I've seen before.


Um anyways I think we definitely hit 25 minutes um chat and I hope you have a good weekend, take care, stay safe.


Mhm. You too.


Uh huh. Mhm. Uh huh. Mhm. Right. Next. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Hello?


Yeah.


You ever higher order somewhere?


Yeah, I just started one.


Okay.


All right. So where are you from?


Um I live in Atlanta.


Or where where do you live?


What about you?


I'm in Illinois uh suburb of Chicago.


That's good. Okay.


I wasn't sure how they paired us up.


Uh huh.


Yeah. I didn't know if we'd be like in the same time zone over.


Yeah. Yeah.


Well, uh So what what's going on with you? What's on your mind?


Yeah. Um I'm not usually very good at reckon first.


Mhm. Mhm.


That's what I thought mm.


That's okay. Tell me as much or as little as you want.


Do you consider yourself more of an extrovert?


Not at all. No, I do have experience occasionally doing like um online focus group type things.


Yeah.


So I've gotten a little more comfortable through experience talking to people I don't know. And also like I mean it's low pressure. We live in different cities. We're never gonna like bump into each other at the grocery store. You know what?


Yeah, that's true.


Uh huh. Yeah. Uh What kinds of things do you like to do?


Um I like to read and I like to run.


My husband is a big reader big big grid.


I read for knowledge. So like I like to garden I regarding books but I read to learn how to do something. I'm not really a fiction writer. My husband's into all that fiction, fantasy sci fi type stuff and I just can't cultivate the love of it.


Mhm. Yeah.


Uh Yeah, I have a container garden out on my back deck. So I do that. That's my biggest thing right now. It's like you get all your gardening out of you in three months when it's warm.


I guess if you had such a love in Atlanta, you'd be in a much better situation.


I think they can grow stuff like nine months of the year or something because it doesn't get so snowy frozen there. Right.


Yeah. Yes. The call is it we have like, So I just say nine months a year at school and like even fall is still I would consider a tooth farm but obviously it's like you know from gross stuff.


Mhm. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.


Okay. Read it later.


Especially the hot stuff.


That's how like, yeah, winter tomatoes probably coming from florida or something.


And we went for it. Yeah.


My parents used to live in Alabama when I was really, really young and my dad was from Arizona, but he still could not take southern heat, but humidity just got to him too much. So I was thinking about when he said it's uh it's too hot in the fall.


Yeah.


Uh huh.


Yeah. So uh how is it that you are in Atlanta and uh like what keeps you there?


I'm getting my PhD.


Mhm. Well, so so hopefully you can pick pick a better climate on your next uh assignment.


Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah. I want your PhD and Okay.


Um Psychology.


Are you are you nearing the end? Are you into a thesis writing all that yet?


Yeah. I'm actually going to defend in august.


Yeah. Well, that's coming up soon.


Yeah, I'm still writing.


That means like the thesis is like done and submitted or are you still like wrapping up? Are you allowed to share what it's about this?


Yeah sure. So I study how people learn and basically I'm interested in how you put together things that you learn overtime.


Mhm. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Okay.


Um So you know think about from one Lesson to the next or from your homework to the next classes left or even over.


Mhm. Yes. Yeah.


Uh huh. And then my and is on is how the thoughts you have about your learning and your ability to learn now that's actually really to your performance.


Mhm. Yeah, it's okay.


Um. Yeah and so in adults what we see is that if it does and I said like think about what they're learning about learning it, they better remember it later on and if they yeah and I tried to teach themselves something without really uh Welcome.


All right. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Oh. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Mhm.


Remember I live? Yes, that's straight forward because there's a lot developing cognitively.


Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.


Um So those two things that the last directly related.


Yeah, it would seem a challenge to get to find Children and be able to sort of grade where they are cognitively to get enough of them who were similar that you wouldn't be thrown off by sort of the, you know, if you get all the 8th 8th graders are, sorry all the eight year olds are all the third graders, you're gonna have different developmental stages in that room. And I would think that that really uh shifts, it would seem like a complicating variable when you're trying to figure out what's going on with a kid in any aspect of the pregnancy.


Yeah.


Mhm.


So that's why the approach that a so it's actually went to collected data for three years.


Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm.


Yeah. Have did um that It started at about 100 incidents over the years.


Mhm. Mhm. Uh huh. Yeah.


You have it's been moved out.


Okay. Yeah. Yeah.


Uh So my final sample of kids participated in all three years.


Yeah. Mhm, wow.


Um It's about d so that's that's larger than your standard single experiment study kick.


Yeah. Yeah, mm. Sure. Sure.


But yes and it's still like obviously oh but it is enough to be able to I'm after people.


Yeah. Mhm. Sure. I'm just I'm just amazed at that level of mobility. I mean I assume that's a lot of people move in and out of your school or, I mean that's got to be the biggest thing, wow.


Yeah. Yeah. Um And then the other aspect of it is that you have to get parental permission for kids to participate.


Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Okay.


And so if if the kids didn't get their parents to give them permission, then I can't they could be in the room when the data collection is happening.


Yeah. Okay.


But.


Sure. Sure. And they could be their year to year, but if they just didn't get that clip signed or mom and dad said, and you want to do this again, the kid was like, then they fall through the cracks.


Yeah.


I can see that happening a lot.


Yeah, definitely with the younger kids to because they don't remember.


No. Yeah.


Oh yeah, sign this form for me please.


Yeah, absolutely. Well, that's really interesting. So what do you, what do you hope to do when your, when your PhD, when your, when your doctor?


That's it. Um I have a post doctoral fellowship lined up for once.


Once I'm official lady a doctor.


Uh And that b it stopped for a couple of beers, do some more independent, be centered.


It's mhm.


Um Get some experience writing grants, and then after that try to be professor.


Yeah. Okay. Oh boy. Well, yeah, I feel it's funny. I used to be a library and that's what my trainings in and grants are the things that like every board you go in front of seems to get all excited about it. It's like, it seems as well my profession that was the thing nobody ever wanted to do. That's why it was such a valued skill. But I, yeah, I feel for you, that's, that's what you do on your entry into the profession. Sounds about right.


It's like every profession has some level of like uh hazing. Almost like we have some sort of grunt work that we make you do for a couple of years. Yeah.


Uh huh. Yeah.


So what do you do now if your training is my is a Black River Gate?


Yes. I am a legal secretary now they're like my father in loves business. Um 2009. I got laid off from the job that I was at, um where, that was my last like librarian job. And it was like I could go where my husband was when he was still finishing school, I could stay in that area or I had a job offer, but it would have taken me like a couple hours away and we were like a year married and I was like, I don't I don't think we'll make it.


So I followed him and that sort of, I kept trying to get back into the library jobs, but it just hasn't worked out. So yeah, eventually I took what work I could get and it's fine, it's just not mentally, it's not as mentally stimulating when you've got somebody else who's like the expert in the room telling you exactly what to do and how to do it.


Yeah.


And that's that's been kind of frustrating.


Two.


Yeah, I can see that being okay.


Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Well, I mean you have even more education than I do, but there comes a point where like, you know, your capabilities and so it can get just so frustrating to be uh boxed in at a lower level.


Yeah. Yeah.


Well sunday, let's see. Do you have any pets, kids spouse, anything like that that you want to share or talk about?


Okay. I got married in november.


Yeah. Oh, congratulations.


Thank you. Um Mhm.


One. What stress the way to do it? Oh no, come on, I'm still here.


Do you is me?


Yeah, I can't see you but I can hear you.


Uh Okay.


Mhm, mm.


Um Yeah, we got we got married in november. I wanted to, well one with a pandemic. I'm really glad obviously, like we can predict that, but I'm really glad wait any longer.


Yeah. Yeah, that's true.


Um But I wanted to get married before I finished my PhD because at the time I wasn't quite sure if I was going to stay Atlanta for a post doc or if I was going to get living somewhere else.


Yeah. Yeah. Mhm.


And my wife was also in the middle of like trying to do kind of a horizontal move career.


It yeah.


Um And we weren't sure if that sort of thinking within would be something that she could do in another city or wherever I end up.


Yeah. So does it, so so does it make it easier to move together if you're married?


No.


Like, like I guess I always, I had heard stories before about like in the academic world sometimes if they want to do enough, you could say find a spot for my spouse, Does it work for another?


Yeah. Um Typically at a higher level, not really for postdocs.


Mhm. Mhm, mm. Yeah, I wouldn't think so.


Um but it was, it was more like logistics of if we had to be a part at all, if we were living in different cities or one of us moved to make a place, where do we have the wedding, how do we see things together?


Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Uh Yeah, interesting, but it sounds like you, maybe you're still open to like maybe our careers are gonna take a different cities for the time being.


How do we, so it was like let's just go ahead and to get married. Yeah. Um Yeah, yeah, I mean like, so right now I'm staying, we're both saying, you know, um and you actually moved government, do academia, but doing the same kind of, so I think now that her will actually be, they're planning, I need to go elsewhere.


Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Good. Mhm. Yeah. People. Mhm. Uh huh. Mhm.


Um so that we can both say, hey we are in a university setting.


Yeah. Oh.


Yes. It is everything going to need diversity trainer, but.


Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, that works.


Yeah.


Um Yeah. Yeah, I thought that was interesting that you chose to get married in your last year. My my husband was in his last year of law school and we got married like, like it was the summer before his last year. And I thought that made sense. But it ended up being really hard. It was just a really stressful time. And granted he had worried about, you know, passing the bar and getting a job that like, you don't have, you got something lined up and that, I'm sure that that takes away a lot of the stress that we had, but I would not want to go back to that time.


Sorry.


Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Like I wouldn't want to go back to planning a wedding or and I'm not going to want to come back to this stage and finishing the dissertation.


Mhm. Oh, no. Yeah.


Um But but I don't have any regrets about when we got married because I think it was actually really nice to have something in addition to my dissertation for a time.


Yes. Yeah.


Um Yeah.


Destruction and and they do a good job with the timing sneaking in before the coronavirus. That's uh Because when that stuff is all coming back to be able to have I mean we only had 70 some people at our wedding probably, but we wouldn't be able to do it today, you know?


Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah. Did you have a big thing, a little thing?


Um We had about 70 dish people.


Yeah. Yes. Mhm Yeah, manageable. Right.


Yeah. Yeah.


I went to my brother in law's wedding just last october around time you were getting married and it was one of these big things in the ballroom near Chicago and It was like the wedding was like 11 or 11 I think. And then the reception was like at six and it was just a big drawn out thing and there was so much going on that so many people and it was just too big. I think it was just it was it was it was such a big thing.


Do you have any pets?


Uh huh. Do not, we rent, we were in a really nice place from some family friends cut us a deal on it which is wonderful. But they are very serious about the no pets. So we do not have a pet.


Uh huh.


I don't know sometimes I think it might be nice. My husband would really like to have a dog. But yeah it's interesting because everybody around me, I live in a duplex so I have like a lot of neighbors close And they all seem to have dogs at least one dog and there's a lot of barking already. So I can't imagine if we also had a dog our dogs barking in the neighbor's dog barking its next dog down. And you know it would be mm we'd be one more thing adding to the chaos in the backyard. So it's a we were going to try and buy a house this spring and then that would have given us new options for pets or chickens or other things.


And it kind of fell through because of the coronavirus. Like everything was shut down for a few months when we would have been looking and then when it opened up again, like everything was listed higher than ever had been going in a day or two. I just, it sort of price this out of the market. But it was also like, I don't want to I don't want to stress trying house hunt in this this crazy environment. Like I'm just going to wait and see if it settles down.


Maybe we go how something in the middle of winter when nobody's really looking and yeah, I don't know.


Yeah.


We'll see what happens. Are you sensing a theme yet? I don't like stress in my life.


Oh. Oh boy.


Yeah, I can see that.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hate that we're waiting because I've been ready to have a house for a long time. But it was only in the last couple of years, my husband finally got to a job that he felt like he really liked. It was what he meant to be doing since he got like a decade ago.


And uh, he was finally a place where, okay, he will stay there long term, assuming assuming they don't like pay him off or something. Dude coronavirus. But uh, I looked back and I think housing was so much cheaper five or six years ago. I wish we could have bought them. I wish we would have bought them. And then I think, yeah, except my house would be an hour and something from his work or he would have never gotten that job because I would have chosen to live somewhere else based on going on and where we were working at the time. So. Yeah.


The we bought a house for the simple reasons.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. I can't imagine if you're still in school, you're still moving around and trying to figure out where we're gonna be. I've never thought it made sense to buy in that situation.


I also think it's a strange trend when I see people buying with their like significant other, but there's no like legal commitment yet. Like my brother in law did this, they bought the house while they were engaged but they weren't married. So then like if it were to have gotten called up or something, it has been such a mess disentangled.


Or like when my husband has a co worker who has a couple of kids now with his girlfriend and I'm just like just go before the judge and do the paperwork and get married because I mean you are permanently bonded to this person, you're always going to have these kids together, all these legal entanglements already.


I think they might even know in a house together. It's just, it's just so weird to me, it's weird where we've gotten to that. Why don't, at some point it's like you just got to admit like this this relationship is probably permanent or at least like I already have all these entanglements.


It's Uh huh.


Yeah. I actually have some friends who are pretty similar in that they don't have kids, but they've been together years and they're they're talking about buying a house, wait, what you guys don't seem like necessarily should be funding a house together.


Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. What? Yeah. Mhm. No. Yeah.


It's not talking about for future other than buying this.


It, you know, I must be a generational thing, I'm guessing like I'm almost 40, I'm guessing you're somewhere in your thirties maybe I can tell.


Yeah. Oh younger. But yeah, I've always I've always been uh My parents growing upset that I was like seven going on 35, so I've always been like at least 35.


Yeah. Oh really? Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


I think so.


Well now you have a have maturity and you know where you're going and a lot of uh I think I think that's part of seeming mature is you know, you know what you're doing, you know what you want to know where your direction is in life, right?


Yeah.


It took it took me until I was in my 30s to get to get a lot of that to happen and going in the right direction.


So you're you're ahead of the curve that way. Um Where are they going with this? Oh yeah, maybe it's just are sort of I guess my generation and your generation. But it's strange how often I see it popping up and it's just um I don't know and it's it's like maybe they get to a certain point in life like your friends and there's certain things you want, but somehow like, like like your friends want house, they want some sort of, it was a like permanent or something.


That. Yeah.


Well it's just like, it's such a helter skelter way to go about it. Or maybe maybe we just got so afraid with all the divorce when we were kids that uh it's easier to sort of slip slide your way into a commitment like that. Like it's almost too scary to just like march straight into it. I don't know.


Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think, I think the generational component is a big one because I know that trends are showing that millennials are waiting longer to get married, waiting longer, It's sick of kids.


Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. What? I do think that money complicates that though because the millennials did take a lot of the last recession like, and I was talking about how when, when you come out of school during a recession, it lowers your earnings across your lifetime. You never really fully recovered from it. So I always thought that was a big part of the millennial thing was I got knocked down.


So bad.


Yeah, I felt like, yeah, I mean it's funny I think about like my grandmother owned a home and was married by the time she wedding and yeah.


Yeah. Or at least that's that's the part that I can identify with a little bit. Yeah. Mhm. Yes. Yeah. Okay My mother got married I think it's like 18 Had like eight kids between 20 and 30 and then she was she was done having kids that they had a huge family and a farm. They had a small farm to like keep everybody fed. Yeah but yeah most of my grandparents generation they married it while the women married at 16 or 18 and 20 The men tended to be five or 6 years older.


Anyway. I'm sorry I think I I interrupted you there. We're talking about your grandmother, how young she only?


Um Yeah. I'm just going to say that I like somehow she had the financial capability to save up money for her own home and have kids that young where like when I was coming.


Mhm. Mhm. Well yes mm.


No way.


My time job.


Even if I had more than one, which I did would have helped me or house.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah but if you look at inflation and what What minimum wage bought in like the 70s. I mean it has been deluded a lot in our in our generation there's um I was going to finish that thought though.


Yeah.


So it's been delayed a lot in our generation but also I don't know I don't know quite how old your grandmother was but like at the Great Depression the way they bought houses was half down and half in a balloon payment five years later. So the fact that housing costs so much has a lot to do with the way it's the loans are made now we loan over over 30 years. Whereas the amount that somebody could pay back then it would have kept prices a lot lower. It was knowing that you had to put that down and come up with have in five years, you know.


Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah. Mhm. So we hit the timer. I think we can stop safely now If you want. It's been 20 but unless you want to keep talking we can I guess.


Okay. Sure.


I think I don't know if they're going to kick us off.


Yeah. I don't know what this is like hosted through.


What?


Not zoom. It sounds like broke.


Well, no.


Who app just what it says in the U.


R.


Hey okay.


L. But I don't thank you.


Yeah. I don't know anyway. Nice talking to you. It wasn't bad talking the danger, right?


Yeah. Wasn't so bad.


Yeah. Good luck with your dissipation.


Thank you. Good luck finding your home in the winter.


It depends. Yeah. Thank you.


Uh huh.


I hope it happens this year. I've been saying it for years. Two years. Two years. But it feels like forever.


Yeah.


All right.


Thank you.


Oh yeah. Okay. College. Okay. Okay.


Hello?


Hi. Sorry just just one moment.


Mhm. Okay. Uh huh.


Mhm. Yeah. Sorry about that. Hello?


Hi how's it going?


Okay. Yeah. Um Pretty good I guess.


Mm.


Just been stuck at home pretty much as I guess most people are but already.


Right okay. Mhm. I can mostly see you about your super pixelated other. You are. Maybe I should do that there.


Hi where where are you?


How are you? Oh I'm in L.


Mhm.


A.


Oh me too.


Oh really? Which part?


Sorry? So midtown, I just moved here from SAn Diego so I'm not too sure myself but I think I'm like really?


Uh Midtown. Yeah I moved here from san Diego to Like 10 years ago. But yeah I went to U.


Oh really? I just moved here like a few months ago. Which part of SAn Diego, if you mind me asking?


C. F. D. For grad school 2008 so I was up, I was you know near La Hoya and then I lived in um oh my God how do I even remember normal heights?


Yeah. Yeah mm. Mhm. Okay. Uh huh.


I lived there, I lived all over.


Normal. That's so cool. I used to live really nearby UCSd have a lot of friends that go that right now. But yeah I think my parents just at work and had to move back from school because they closed all the doors and stuff so I just got stuck here I guess.


What made you move? You moved like during the pandemic? Okay so you're you're in L. A. With your parents because of the pandemic thing?


Yeah. Yeah in san Diego.


So what were you up to there? Yeah.


Uh um So it's like raised in L. A. And then I moved to SAn Diego and I just like high school there and then I came back for college so just between san Diego and L. A. Pretty much.


Where'd you go to school? Are you still at?


Um Yeah I'm still I'm going to U. C. L. A. Right now apparently.


Oh cool, awesome.


Yeah. The what major you need to stay visual arts but just in the face time say masters of fine arts let's go.


I did a M. F. A. And visual arts Masters of Fine arts. Yeah. After undergrad master.


Oh here's my friend, what are my friends is doing that as well?


Yeah.


I think I'm not sure if they're going to do the whole grad school but I think they're majoring in the arts and underground.


Cool. It's a, I don't know, it was fun.


Uh It's fine.


I don't know if it was a super profitable, you know, why don't they look like my face is all red and this camel look weird. Uh huh.


What has the rafters?


Uh huh. Yeah. Yes, I did art school, I did underground art and like a minor in business and then I did grad school in art too.


That's cool. So you're just working on like a like now are you just heard this I guess? I don't know like.


Yeah, then I did um so that was like In 2008 I graduated from that and then 10 years later.


Mhm.


No, I don't know. Yeah, and then 10 years later I went back to school at USC.


Mhm. Mhm. Yeah.


I did another master's degree in film just now recently.


Oh. Uh Uh huh.


And yeah, so work, I teach college sometimes online and I'm an edit video editor sometimes, but I lost that job in March and I am an artist, I'm a documentary filmmaker but doesn't pay me anything.


No. What how? Okay. I see. Yeah that's uh Yeah.


But I admire like started a new project today actually where I'm going to interview frontline workers and survivors of part of hardcore complications of Covid and um like a people who've lost people.


Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah right into the statement I say.


So I just got off the phone with a woman who lost her both of her parents and her cousin and her aunts in the hospital. So I'm going to do a zoom interview with her tomorrow and make a little campaign about take Covid seriously start.


Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. That's an amazing project. Uh Because there's so many people who are um I don't know how to put it are very resistant about like wearing masks and taking precautions.


Yeah, yeah.


So I think it's a bit better in L. A. But when I've heard from my east Coast friends apparently there's a lot of people there, they're like it's a liberty to breathe or something.


And san Diego to SAn Diego is bad. I hear there was like parties on, what's that place called?


Oh I haven't heard much from there. All my friends moved up for college as well so I think we're all pretty the dark S. T. Right now.


Um I Paradise Island Fiesta Fiesta Island. You know that place, your pacific beach? There's like this island and people are just out there partying all the time.


Oh I know pacific beach.


And there's all these news stories about people just partying with their buddies and in ocean beach to there's a bunch of like, drum circles and everybody's crowded around.


Yeah. Yeah.


Even people that you'd think kind of wouldn't be like, you think it's maybe you think it's like, oh, it's a conservative thing, like, but these are hippies and other, I don't know, everybody just across the spectrum, well in school educated, the educated ones, but they're just run of the mill san Diego and I don't know.


Yeah. Let's sell leaders. Yeah. I wasn't expecting that. I don't know like when I was um well I guess you never really expect people next to you to do like stupid things but like when I was in general, people in sc seems pretty like I always say smart but like reasonable but I suppose that's weird.


Mm I just, Yeah, so, um, I still have friends there and so like from friends with them on facebook, obviously a c people's posts and they're like, I don't know anybody who's ever had it.


Huh? Okay.


I think it's a myth and stuff like that. I just want to send them this. So I'm going to make these videos and just like, I'm going to pay to put them on as advertisements on social media, so it's not just preaching to the choir. I want to pay to put them out there and I also want to be able to just post them to people.


Like, I don't know anyone like this is my friend Emily, here's the video.


Yeah.


Her parents are dead, you know, And she spent 44 days in the hospital.


It's very admirable. Each. I don't know how people start thinking seriously, especially with that shit. Like the amount of, because there was that shooting in front of the white house yesterday and people were like they were saying some very rude things but in reality it's like the leadership wasn't there like scientific it so yeah.


Oh, I don't know. I, I heard about it briefly, but I don't know what people are saying.


Yeah people are saying stuff like I don't know if this is like inappropriate for me to say I don't wish harm upon anyone no matter how like bad thing maybe.


So uh huh Oh, I said that too on social media.


But they were saying like oh like the shooter missed or like oh okay good.


I totally made that exact comment.


Yeah, I'm inclined to agree honestly.


Yeah. Uh huh Yeah, it's uh, well, so my, one of my best friends lives in New Zealand and she is from, you know, from here and stuff and she has, so they have zero cases in 100 days.


She is so ridiculous. Right. Right. Mhm. Yeah.


They're just totally normal.


Mhm. Mhm.


She's got like two little kids that are just growing up totally normal.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. No.


And at the same time, I have my cousin Who has these two little kids and his wife has cancer now.


So like he can't put them, he believes like a little bit crazy christian, but he like, we won't let them put the kids in date in, you know, school or anything because they're in florida where hundreds of thousands or whatever like cases are going up so much.


Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Oh okay.


So uh huh.


People love you.


I forgot the point of what I was saying. But yeah.


Yeah. That's brutal.


Oh, so I was saying that, you know, our country handled it badly, obviously 5,000,000 5 million cases and they right now have zero.


Yeah. Yeah. Uh It's sad.


It's just mind boggling.


Yeah. People used to see America is like such a major country and now it's just like oh yeah.


I'm so glad that you are of the same opinion. Like I wouldn't, if somebody got on here and they were like, oh yeah, I don't believe in this thing.


Right. Yeah.


It's all nonsense. I'd be like, oh, I gotta go.


Yeah. People like that though, they probably wouldn't know about politic right?


Mhm.


Or like any other, I feel like the demographic of prolific users is probably like at least educated like to some degree, so.


Yeah, maybe like good. That's good. I didn't know if I didn't know that, but this is the second one of these I've done.


Oh yeah, Yeah, that's good.


So I got a great person before too educated guy in a uh Atlanta who believes in a pandemic mm I know but it's just it's crazy to watch their version of the news, to write, if you watch Fox News, it's like half the country's fucking crazy.


Mhm. Um It's amazing how much that cans for believing in facts and stuff that's on the news like. Yeah, it's weird because like I used to look at people like flat earthers, like people in the anti vaxxers and I was like, oh like they're just like they're funny, it's just a small portion of the population and this happened and like a like a ton of the countries like revolting and stuff. It's like, man, shit, okay, what would you do?


I don't know, fucking white people. It was insane. I I had no idea either. I remember watching the I was in in school in in 2016. I remember they had like a the debates on and they wheeled a big tv and and like people watch the debates all together and everybody was like and you know yeah. Hillary. And then in the crowd there were people screaming for trump and I was so I was like what? People were like look like saying lock her up and stuff. I was like what is that? I don't understand like who are these people? These are like some rowdy guy. Like I didn't I didn't believe that there were people like that in my bubble of facebook and whatever. Even my conservative cousins more like now that guy is crazy. So I was yeah, I am just florida. I'm so confused by this whole country.


Yeah, those debates were like, I don't know how people still support it. And after that here is kind of just up there like babbling. So like he didn't have any stats. You didn't have any like data. Hillary was like pretty professional about it. I mean like, I'm not saying she was perfect either. Like, I don't think anyone up there was completely perfect, but he was just like, I kid among adults.


You still, I mean it's crazy.


Yeah, he wins another four years.


So crazy.


It's gonna be, I don't know what the future of America is going to look clean.


Oh I know now we I look at how to get to Canada and stuff like uh we're in the film industry so all of our jobs are gone, but there are still people still working in Canada.


Yeah. Yeah. What?


We're looking into how you know how that would work. We can like there's like sneaking into Canada videos online.


Okay.


You know like uh you get a boat and you like to do them.


Yeah.


Uh It's pretty crazy.


Yeah. So like you'd sail from New Jersey to like Cap Eastern Canada.


Yeah. Yeah. We're up in uh you know near Vancouver on the west coast.


Yeah. Mhm Yeah, I watched that like uh huh Yeah.


There's there's some on Youtube, you can see how to sneak in there, like Backpackers and they just get a boat and they go in and then they like uh huh It's uh yeah, and then there's there's Canadians, there's like these retired Canadian guys who are pissed off that americans keep coming in with their big yachts into their water waves.


It's like better than most of the stuff on Youtube these days. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm. And yeah.


And like they come in and they buy things at the local stores and probably spread Covid. Right? And so there's this group of retired uh guys who were like, is it patrol that are like anti american patrol units, You know the old men in the waters up north and on the west coast and uh together like reporting us, you know?


Yeah. Yeah. So funny.


Oh yeah I mean we can't go there were like we can't we're not allowed to this girl but that's uh crazy times.


Anti american Charles I mean, yeah. I know. Uh Mhm. I don't know. I feel compared to so many other like cultural group. I'm not trying to make this a racing like honestly felt like like compared to like other groups of people meant like americans seem like the most abrasive. Like they don't care about the rules as much as like other people to you.


What I guess. You know, maybe maybe that's maybe that's a bad thing to say.


Yeah no it's who knows? It's it is it's like I mean americans are bad and also the UK it's pretty bad.


So it's like what what's wrong with these white people man?


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Like put on a fucking mask you.


Mhm.


Uh No.


Not not believing that a mask but even if even if you didn't believe it, why not put it on like if you're if you're afraid of the government being or you know like being shitty like him, why not wear it?


Yeah.


Why are you so against it?


It makes no sense to me. But I certainly know people that I have like ex boyfriend who is an anti mask guy blew my mind and from san Diego had to unfollowed him and unfriend all his friends.


I think. Oh I see. Oh. Uh Yeah.


Yeah you know uh I'm sorry you should travel when you're young.


Okay. Thank god. I just wanted to travel to the Eu and stuff, but I don't know. And that's going to be possible anymore. All right, remember onto because I've never been out of the U. S. I've been to like Canada a few times in like hiking trips that's about it. It's like I don't hey uh I don't know.


Oh I did too. I want I like woke up the other night I couldn't sleep and I was like all right, here's what I'm gonna do what I can, I'm going to travel around the world. I'm going to go from heat from L. A. To Hawaii to Japan to china to Russia to Egypt to new york and home could spend a week in each place because those are the places like just want to see before I die and like I said uh huh.


Yeah the world ends apparently it's this like that because like you know at this point like there is an interesting statistic I saw or like more people were expecting not to have kids just because like the future is bleak kind of right. Like there's pollution, there's politics, there's like sort of war. I'm like I just want to like travel to like I I just want to own a dog that's all I want in this life. But.


Yeah I heard that too.


Uh huh.


I don't have I'm 40, I don't have kids, I never wanted them.


Uh huh. Okay. Yeah.


And now I'm really really glad that I don't, more than ever a dog.


Okay. Honestly.


A dog is nice. I had a dog once but But I know I want to work again in the film industry, which is like 12 hour days, so and I want to like hitchhike to Canada like, you know, sneaking the dog would be hard.


Yeah. Oh fall of yeah speaking yeah I guess hey.


A little dog. Yeah.


Mhm. I don't know.


Where did where did you go in Canada?


I've always, Sorry look I was when I was really young we went like ice fishing up there or like yeah we didn't catch l I didn't catch anything else like nine, like the fishing are just flew off my hands.


You said you've been to Canada? Yeah. That's crazy.


But yeah, it was really nice up there.


Uh huh. Mhm.


The air was like actually so clean. I don't know if that's the colder and I'm like, I was just dumb, but everything seems so much nicer up there and that's yeah, that was especially when I was like discovered about the whole Canadian bacon thing and all that.


I totally get that. I feel that way about it too.


Yeah.


He was like, this isn't real bacon.


Yeah, those are those are the simple times.


All right. Pre pre pandemic when you're worried about bacon and stuff.


Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, cutting the systems just thinking fact.


Uh Uh huh Yeah, totally.


Yeah. I never really understood like term ignorance is bliss until like I was getting it like, I think junior year of college maybe. But like honestly it's actually so nice not knowing what's going on because you see all these kids like playing as aficionado thing wrong in the world and say, oh everyone's wearing, that's that's so cool. It's like, yeah okay. Yeah.


Uh Pretty pandemic.


Uh huh.


So wait, did you just come up?


You started college right now?


Uh No I started two years ago.


Oh yeah.


Yeah, so I'm a junior now just you know, but I mean the classes like I will admit they're a bit easier like the tests and stuff because if you really need to, I I try not to but like you can like google stuff right? Like you can cheat, which it's not incurred.


Oh my kids, I'm teaching, I'm teaching soon. They all would google. Everything had to be like, do not google, please At least put it in your own words.


Yeah. Yeah I I try not good.


People just copying whole paragraphs like come on.


Yeah. So many people s you got caught cheating and failed the class, they all just went on again.


Oh, I wouldn't fail anybody. So yeah, I was teaching right during the pandemic and I was like everybody's passing guys don't worry.


Uh Yeah, it's not optimal conditions for learning.


Mhm.


It's just it's not it.


Yeah they let people fail in your classes.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You see all these kind of ain't all about cheating so hurry.


Mm I mean I guess I kind of get it at the same time, it's like come on guys like this is the first flight was not the first, it's like a pretty huge pandemic for a lot of people like the newer generation. That's um Yeah they just wanted to check, they went on to check, its like a website where you can like pay to get people to write answers for you essentially.


What kind of cheating did they do? How did it just like the what? Mm.


So all of them went on there and like I guess one person just paid and everyone else just copy that one answer And like the professor is like like I'm not trying to be mean, but like this is this is to obviously when 20 people have to sing like answers like but I think most of them are trying to be generous about grading and stuff.


Uh huh. Uh Text. What are you majoring?


Yeah I've been declared that I'll probably do E. Con or something. I don't know nothing really, I don't know, I didn't really fancy anything like oh you'll figure it out.


Yeah.


But I never really did.


Economics. Huh. I did like a business minor so I had to do with those classes super boring.


How was it? Was it boring?


I also had this one create this teacher once you couldn't understand a single word.


This is mhm Uh huh Yeah.


He said. I was like sitting in the front row yes indian. And I just couldn't like and it was a really hard glass for something. I don't think it was either macro or micro economics. And it was I just had to take the class twice and I went to another school because I just couldn't understand I couldn't get it. And I was just like but everybody failed to they had to do it on a curve because it's like nobody. I got like an F on the quizzes and end up being like a B. Or something.


Because everybody and everybody.


Mhm. That's the issue though.


That's it.


I'm not trying to be, I mean about like accents, but like come on, if we can't understand you, like why are you teaching? Like just, it's like that the heaviest like Russian accents you could think of, oh my God, like, like they sound cool in conversation, but I'm trying to learn from you.


That was the memorable one. Yeah.


It's like uh huh when you work in the film industry, do you have to learn any like animation stuff?


Yeah. Especially like words that you don't, you have to learn or whatever concepts. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah.


Like animation software?


I did work in visual effects.


Uh like the adobe after effects?


I have worked in visual effects a lot with just using after effects. Mhm.


That's great.


I was surprised how many real VfX houses use that because it seems like a sort of like over the counter kind of for a sumer or whatever.


Okay. Yeah. Yeah.


But that's what they use on like Ray Donovan and the Orville, you know and some some shots mostly when we procedure and stuff they'll use milk.


Mhm Yeah. Uh mhm So yeah.


But for compositing people still use after effects really professionally.


Yeah.


That's all I have done with do animation.


Cause me, Yeah.


Anything just uh you mean like because you can't shoot anything, we have to like learn animation because they don't have any actors.


Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It just uh mhm, mm hmm.


Yeah we should we should. There's a there's a really cool one. There's like adobe animate. It's really cool. Have you seen or heard of it? It's like you can you can kind of like rig your character. Like I could just take a photo of my face and put it in there and tell the software that these are my eyes and nose and I can talk to my camera and it'll animate my my character like this golf ball see things.


Uh huh. Mhm. Mhm Yeah. Oh says it like those golf ball like two things.


It's way better. That's like that's like motion capture.


Uh Okay.


This would be like a face um favor it could make any character talk just telling it where the mouth is and rig it to your.


Mhm Yeah.


It's like similar. Just make it tell your camera and the software that these are your eyes and this is another thing and then it will animate your character just like you're in the web camp if it captures you correctly.


Nothing. Mhm. Mhm That's cool. It's like the deep fake things that people like the program are starting to.


Yeah. Yeah, totally. I think they can be made on there.


Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, I think 25 minutes is up, but it was a pleasure talking to you.


Yeah. You too have a great rest of your day.


Goodbye.


Bye.


Mhm. Uh huh. Yeah. Mhm. Cool. Mhm. Uh huh. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Mhm. Yes. Mhm. Yeah. To be killed. You get this. Yeah.


Hey? What's up?


Hi. Not fun yourself.


Hey? What? Oh you know big giant storm coming through. So do you hear anything that's what's going on?


We have 12 I am in grand rapids michigan.


Yeah, I guess.


So I'm guessing you're getting hit by the front also maybe.


I don't know what it is.


Okay.


Like I'm your buffalo.


Yeah.


So I'm in new york.


Well a little ways away. But it seems to be a stormy day for everybody.


Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. I guess so.


So what um I heard I mean it comes and goes, we just had a grocery delivery and it was like she waited in her car for just a couple of minutes to get through the rain and then it stopped and so you know it comes and goes and goes.


Yeah. Can you hear it at all? Can you hear it at all? Right.


Like a, I mean Mhm.


So is this your first like prolific or uh chat?


This is my 3rd 1. So I've done a couple others.


Yeah, same, same. I love these. These are some of the, you know few interactions that I have with people outside of my like immediate friend group or pod, you know?


Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Oh not all. It sounds like you're, that sounds very isolated the way you described it.


Well it's not so I work from home and my husband works from home so we don't like normally the only interaction with strangers that I would have would be at, uh, social gatherings where other people bring their friends or during like when I'm volunteering or you know, going to the dentist and you get to know the people working there any of those things anymore.


Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Right.


So that's, it does feel kind of isolating.


Yeah. Yeah. I got you. So you don't entirely work from home then so you don't have any office interaction or whatever you had before.


Well actually I am a private music teacher, little kids here at my home.


Oh cool.


Yeah.


Okay.


But since covid hit, you know, first it was just like a, well we'll skip this week, then we'll skip this month.


Yeah. Okay. Yeah.


Then um, I'll get started back up teaching when school gets back up.


So it was always this like it's not gonna be a long term.


Right.


So I'm not going to make long term preparations and then school started, schools closed. Uh, and so we're in michigan.


Bad.


So now the schools were supposed to open right after thanksgiving and then things happen.


So now it's not until after christmas.


Mhm.


So it's been all of these like, yeah, sort of like paused types of moments.


Oh. Mhm.


And so I just declared that for christmas I would like some equipment so that I can start teaching remotely from home if I Um, you know, I got the kind that likes to be sticky.


Mhm. Mhm. I was gonna ask about that. Can you do it with the age group that you have the Okay.


So like ages four through like 12.


Mhm mm.


So even if I could, um, like disinfect the surfaces of the, of the piano, I can't get between the cracks and there's nothing you can do a mask for otherwise to stop kids from touching their faces and touching things including me and natural and it's normal and I love being part of that.


Mhm. True. Yeah. Right. Kids, yeah.


But it's definitely a, you know, and when kids are part of different school districts to, it makes it even more of a challenge because I could very well be a silent carrier and just spread it to all of my kids and I don't want to do that.


Mhm. Mhm. Right, Right.


I'm like, I don't actually have any kids.


Here. Yeah.


Yeah. So even the parents I don't have any interaction with except for occasionally online when they're like, hey, are you teaching?


Oh yeah. Right.


Yeah.


I agree.


So, so to a degree, yes, so I'm a personal trainer.


You has, has life changed for you since Covid?


So I have people that are remote and I have people that are used to come and come to my little gym.


Right? And obviously the people that were coming to me, they stopped coming to me and I converted who I could to like a remote thing.


Yeah. Okay.


But as you could imagine, like it's not, you don't have quite as much that you can do.


Like they don't have all the gear I have.


Yeah. Oh yeah.


Yeah, The oldest one, she's 78.


Mhm.


So like when you work with that age group, sometimes they don't remember every, you know, as well as they did when they were younger. And so it's more challenging.


Like you explain things to them verbally and you have to kind of go through everything again.


But you can't do like a hands on things so you can't you know, direct their body, you can't see all the angles because you have one camera.


So you have certain challenges that make it more difficult than to sustain your client base or to recruit new people right?


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm.


So it's been challenging but I do you know, I have enough to get by right now but that's about it. So yeah it's been kind of, it's been kind of rough for me too.


Uh huh. Yeah.


I can definitely empathize.


Do you have a pod that you maintain social distancing too? Keep them safe?


So we do everything remote now so I will load up like Skype or whatever they're familiar with because obviously like my older demographic, they have certain technologies that they're familiar with and certain ones or not and that's when they start obviously that's a challenge just to get them going.


Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah.


So I figure out like what technology they're comfortable with if I don't have it, I get it myself because it's easier for me to learn and then we utilize that in order to do remote training's over Skype or what have you.


Mhm. Yeah.


So that's kind of what I've been doing and it generally goes well, but again there's there's limitations so it has its own challenges and you know, it could be better if it wasn't for covid.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Michigan um any minute now, like literally is supposed to, our governor is supposed to put out some new restrictions, hopefully regarding restaurants.


Yeah. Mhm.


And I say hopefully not because I know a lot about it, but because I have um, friends that are servers and yeah, they're like, why are you coming here, stay home, get food to go, you don't need to sit here and breathe on everybody.


Uh huh. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. Yeah.


And I just brought food yesterday, dropped off food at a friend of mine who was part of a restaurant where I think four or 5 people all got covid and to shut down the restaurant.


Yeah. Oh. Oh. Mhm.


I mean it was like a core group of people. So like that it was newly opened restaurant to, which made it even more painful.


Yeah. Yeah. Oh no, no.


It was just awful. And uh, he is the only, he's able to stay at home.


Mhm.


He was an asymptomatic carrier or at least the um, uh, the symptoms didn't start for about a week.


Yeah.


Um, but other people weren't so lucky and one of them yesterday was considering going to the hospital. Um, just struggling with breathing problem.


Yeah, I heard that.


Just have enough time. Like it just it just sounds awful. And I have another friend who had covid um back during the summer who still can't smell and can't go back to his normal like running because there's just no like lung capacity, there's no like nerve, it's like I don't know what it is about the scent, the smell thing, but it's just it's just not happening. Like it's yeah, I think if it was just a flu type thing that would be very different, but we don't have a complete understanding of what the long term neurological uh problems we're going to have.


Mhm. Mhm. No. Mhm. What's wrong?


And that I think is where the real fear for me is or concern. I don't I don't have fear necessarily put concerns.


Mhm. Right. Yeah, I hear you on that.


I mean it's a new thing to everybody.


Uh huh. Yes.


You know the scientists like when this all began, everybody wanted answers.


But these guys, they just found it too, you know what I mean?


Yeah. Yeah.


So they have to figure out everything as they went and they don't understand like that.


Okay, so one thing they don't understand like the long term effects and how it treats people differently, right?


Uh huh.


They just had their pool that they looked at.


And secondly this thing is like changing as it goes.


Yeah. Mhm.


I hear there's different strands from different areas.


Mhm. Yeah.


Well, they act differently on people depending on if you got it from here, you got it from here like different countries, right?


And all of its mutating too. So, you know, it's really hard to say like how you're gonna end up after all this and if people are back to normal, Yeah, you're not.


Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Well, and also we can right, and we found out to that like cats can get it like pets can get it and things like um in uh somewhere in Scandinavia, they have to like just call their entire collection of makes because it was returning back to it was mutating it and going back to humans in this whole other form like you were saying.


Mm hmm, mm hmm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Oh, boy. Yeah.


Oh yeah.


That's it's just so crazy. What do you think about the vaccine?


Okay. Mhm. Where do you lean on your on your breath on your uh uh politics? Let's say that I am very liberal, We'll go with that.


Yeah. Okay. I'm kind of down the middle. It depends on the issue.


Okay.


Like some issues. I think this side has it wrong and the other issues, I'm like, I think you guys have it wrong and I think, you know neither side is you're correct on everything they think or wrong and everything they think that's kind of where I am.


Yeah. Right. Yes. So I after seeing how the CBc and the FDA are willing to change their stances on things based on uh pressure from the White House that makes me and right now the White House is I don't believe very science friendly.


Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Right.


Um I I hesitate to trust anything that's been pushed through.


Um And at the same time I don't want to fuel the idea that we shouldn't be getting a vaccine that's available.


Mm.


Um So I'm kind of at this place where I'm going to tell everything.


I think I know this is maybe like a lot of my friends follow what I suggest um or what I'm doing when it comes to um politics and science because they don't follow it quite as closely have similar leanings as me.


Mhm.


Um So I think I'm gonna tell all my friends that I'm getting it, but I'll probably wait a little bit okay.


Mhm. Yeah.


Getting it myself. Like I think it's important, But I don't want to fuel the fear of it.


I just want to be part of like wave number two.


Yeah. I'm kind of in the same boat.


Yeah. Yeah.


I feel that I mean these guys have to interests right as politicians. They have the health of the community and they also have the economy, right?


So they have to keep both in mind. And then there's the leading factor for most of them honestly, which is getting reelected.


I can't go against the public interest even if it is in our best interest, health wise, they can't do it early.


But public opinion, I guess we should say not public interest, but I think that is different things.


Yes. Yes, that's true.


Yeah. Okay.


So given all that, they do need to rush us to a degree and I'm not sure if we're going to find something that happens to this guy six months later because he got it.


Mhm. Oh yeah. Yeah. Mhm.


That's kind of my concern is like the more the long term. Oh well you didn't see that in the studies because we only studied people for three months. We didn't know after six months that you know whatever percentage it is, 5% of the population came down with X.


Look. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.


So that's kind of my concern is it's just being rushed and I'm not sure that it's being thoroughly tested to make sure it's entirely good for everybody.


Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And right now testing in general is for healthy white males and I am a fat white female.


Okay.


And birth control doesn't since it is effective for me because the doses based on somebody who's £145 I weigh £200. That's not gonna happen. Oh yeah.


Yeah.


Something that like I worked really hard on women's um reproductive issues and uh childhood advocacy type stuff.


Right. Mhm.


So I've got my finger on the pulse a lot about that uh things like Plan B.


Mhm.


Somebody who weighs more than £165. They have like only an 80% chance that it's effective as opposed to like 98%.


Yeah I've heard that.


Like it's it's a yeah, it's a it's unreal. It's unreal. Okay. So how about this too?


The government is funding the research for this vaccine and charging us for the vaccine.


Uh huh. Come on. Uh huh.


So why are we getting charged when our tax money is already paying for it? How about that for some fiscal balancing?


Right. Although to play Devil's Advocate, I agree with you but to play Devil's Advocate, how does the money pan out?


Um.


Like are they getting enough money to cover all their costs? You know what I mean? Like do they just subsidizing it with that money and then charging us only a fraction because they need to make up some I don't know I don't have the money.


Oh. Mhm. Yeah. Yes.


Right.


Yes. History is anything if the way that they support and subsidize um places like Pfizer and what is it lily, you know eli um ah that other big pharmacy like the government feeds them lots of money and then they still charge us enough that if we don't have insurance we are paying out of the nose or just can't afford it.


Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Three. Mhm. Yeah.


So time will tell. We'll see what happens. What happens.


I mean if it was to such an extent like the measles vaccine or something that we all get the tap and deep t depth and the other one I forget then uh you know these childhood vaccines where they charged just a few dollars that would be very different. You know those are out of you know they're not um uh I forgot the name.


Help me out.


Yeah.


You know it they're not patented.


Mhm. Okay.


Yeah. Yeah.


I don't know what you're going for.


Yeah. Yeah. I saw your real yeah.


Okay. I know just saying no.


So I'm hoping that that it will be a similar thing that because it's got to cover millions and millions of people. The government has already subsidized it. That they will choose not to patent it and make it affordable for everyone if they even charged for it crossed, fingers crossed.


Right. Well granted we do have the right person in office to possibly get that outcome.


Now.


Uh huh.


I feel like it was trump. There's no way.


Oh yeah. Yeah.


You know, you know like I don't I don't feel like he gives a crap about anybody but himself.


Mhm. Uh huh.


That's that's one good thing. You know on the pros and cons list that I think we have a better chance at that at this point.


Mhm mm. Yes, maybe.


But well I mean maybe things are so emotion, it won't even matter anyway, you know?


Well and something that's been talked about too. Is that even more effective than a vaccine is watching your hands and wearing a mask and you can't get people to do that.


Yeah. So they're saying like the vaccine isn't going to be a high percentage of being effective them.


Yeah. That's right. Okay. All right. Well, it's an 80% of activity rates. So that's really good. But if it effective 80% of people who get it or people who would have otherwise gotten it, imagine how reduced that 20% would be if people wash their hands and wore masks.


Mm Thank you. Oh my God, you're so adding them together then.


Yeah. Right. Right. So yeah. But then we also have to realize too, that people are not going to get like there's a risk that people are going to choose not to get vaccinated and without people choose not to get vaccinated, then that lowers everything even more. So that's why I'm trying to say to people yes, they're going to get it.


Yeah.


Oh yeah.


Right.


And it's a Yeah, just Mhm.


Because otherwise you might have them so that they never end up getting it. Is that kind of what you're afraid of? Like they might not just put it off for a little bit like you will, they might never get it and be part of the huge bigger problem then.


Right. Right. Um But you know, it's a my understanding is that it's a three shot um vaccine.


Okay. Uh huh.


Um So it's you know, you have to go in to get it one time and then you come back I think three months and then six months later or six months and eight months later, something like that.


Okay.


So it takes time to do it. You have to take a day off from work, You have to go to a public health facility, you have to pay for it. Like there are plenty of barriers for a lot of people. And I am worried that the people who can't afford it or also going to be, well, you know, part of an already high rate population, like black men dying from Covid.


Yeah. Yeah. Right. Thank gosh.


I think like it's more than three times as much as white men. So a huge difference.


Oh wow. Right. And they attribute that just based upon their current living conditions then?


Yeah. And yeah, socioeconomic issues, lack of accessibility, different social norms, toxic masculinity, all of that kind of a thing. It's, you know, it's it's a challenge.


Um Yeah, it's pretty bad.


Yeah, I didn't know some of that.


That's interesting.


Yeah.


Now, here's something I don't know if you know this. So is the vaccine work as I understand a traditional vaccine working like they give you a small portion of the inactive virus and you make your own antibodies.


Okay. I don't know that, I don't know that, I feel like that might be an issue, but I also like that might be part of it, but I think it's also because this because covid attacks your nervous system that or I'm sorry, your neurological system that it's supposed to protect, that specifically or directly, that's kind of what I've been hearing.


Mhm.


I mean I know a lot of this just because my um my sister works in media in California, specifically for um uh low income high risk populations in san Francisco, you know the Bay Area and Oakland, so she's got um and she works with some major uh media corporations there.


Um It's it's still all sort of like they haven't released all the information and they haven't uh they don't know enough about the about covid to really know How it's supposed to affect you.


Okay. Mhm.


So maybe they're doing like a 12.


Right, because here's here's why I ask that because my concern is that and I have no problem with that.


Oh.


That's how most vaccines work from my understanding. But the thing is though, people are getting it again.


So if you get we're getting over twice, so if you're getting it again and vaccines work just like your they trigger your normal antibodies to be formed right by giving you a portion of inactive virus.


People are once they've never got. Yes. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah.


That would mean that you need more boosters than you would otherwise Years will wear off.


That's completely okay. Mhm. Right.


So it's like this will be like a perpetual thing and like some of these people who are getting it within like three months so it seems like you need a shot of degree three months then you know.


Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. So her immunity is gone. And not to mention that herd immunity starts by sacrificing the young and the ill. Right? And the old. So that's not a good look like that.


Yeah.


Her baby is not helpful in this case and that way at all. But you're right though.


I wonder if those booster shots um that they've already said are part of the vaccine actually helped that like actually make it a more permanent thing.


Oh right.


But how how can they know this has only been around I mean this has been around for less than a year, right?


Right. Exactly.


Or maybe.


They're just slowly hearing as they go.


Okay. How did it start? Where was patient zero? What happened?


Oh God.


You know type?


Well they there was the whole china thing that's what they say right It wasn't like that that meat market and they don't take like health precautions there. It's very like you know medieval butchery if you will there's like the animals are out and slaughtered and you can buy the meat and it's just showing and they said it started there then a change but they're just guessing, you know what I mean?


Yeah. Yeah.


Like I don't feel like anybody really knows but that's like the suspicion is it started there in that non you know protocol following area that has so many issues with it that no wonder something bread they're like that's why they think it is because it's so unsanitary.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah.


But I don't know. You know I think that's just like they're educated guests.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Mhm.


Well that, that, that's so pretty scary. I mean there's a lot of unsanitary markets, why are we, why, why was it there? I mean, I guess it would have to start somewhere. Well, okay.


Yeah. Well I mean that's one thing that I kind of put a little bit of weight on. I'm like well if you guys recognize this, why are we putting pressure on china to like stop doing this?


Like you know, clean up your place?


Yeah.


Like don't don't allow these places to even if it came here or not, it's obviously been proven to be unsanitary in a potential danger for our world.


Yeah. Said finances, well, finances, that's what's going on.


So like we have, you know, certain protocols just to make sure that people are safe.


And you know, we can't just say that it's just china. I mean they have the same thing in uh, all slow and anywhere in India that you go. I mean, so why are we just focused on china because of this one outbreak?


Right?


So Oh, right.


Well, I mean I feel like china to they, I don't know. I don't see them as like a third world country, right? I feel like they could get their act together because they have like a thriving economy. They have a good stable government and its like can't you guys like get something together to be for the betterment of mankind?


Like I don't know if the other countries that we would look at are as capable, you know, as china would be.


There's clearly china china is a capable company.


Mm.


Their country, they have one of the best economies in the whole world, right?


Uh huh. Mhm Right.


So it's like you guys have the ability, you have the agility to make things better, but you just choose to have it as it's always bad, which is kind of a danger to everybody.


Yeah. Oh, the clothes.


So I don't understand why they can't, you know.


Right. That's a good point that you make about how it's just always been that way. So we yeah.


Yeah. It's like a tradition thing. I guess. They're just like the style and how the market runs.


Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you that some of the best food comes from places like that. My sister speaks mandarin and I spent some time out there.


Yeah.


Yeah, it's I mean it sounds like one of those places, I mean china is huge in that. It's got you know it's it's got so many different um uh pockets of traditions and societies and food, all of that kind of stuff. And some of these markets are just rich with you know raw spices and the freshest meat and the most gorgeous, you know bits of uh most gorgeous fish.


Mhm.


And so how do you have?


Right. Right.


Yeah. So I wonder is it just is it present in all markets? Is it present in a certain area?


No, it's a very small area.


I think they called it a wet market.


Like it's a very small segment. It's nowhere near like all of china. It's just like down there, if you go around over there, there's a street known for this, right? It's kind of like one of those things. It's not it is not the common thing, exception.


All right.


It's not like I'm not saying like china has, you know this everywhere. It's just just one section I guess that does this thing and they have like, it's like weird animals too. Like you can get things that you and I would never eat right, Like these weird animals that they've, you know, decided to sell to people.


Yeah. Great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, totally changing the subject. But honestly in topic would you eat cricket flour?


Yeah, I try it. I try everything now.


No. Oh yeah.


Like as long as it doesn't sound like it's unsafe, I'm like, well that's not gonna hurt me, right? It's just a bug.


So I try it, but I don't see why I'd ever go for it because No.


What what do you mean that meat is going to become this like we're going to start to understand how hugely environmentally impactful it is where insects have the same amount of protein but requires so fewer resources not to mention like driving up insects is a little bit more stomach kable for a person who doesn't like the way that animals are treated. I mean, I still eat beef, I don't eat pork but I still eat chicken, you know?


Right? Yeah. Yeah. You just try to reduce is what you do, I hear you.


Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah. I mean, I would definitely try it and I guess what I was going to say is like flour first off as a neutral item, right? It's not anything that I'm going to get a unique flavor out of it. I don't think it would be cheaper than normal flour because flowers so cheap to begin with. So I was like, why would I ever switch to that? That's one of my perspective on it now granted if you like took insects in just evolving what you brought up about, like substituting it for me and you made it something that's absolutely desirable.


Yeah. Right.