So good. Did you watch it right on man?


I watched it twice. Yeah. Uh huh.


Well, you know how he like how like um somebody else's doubt or conflict would just fuel him and like when people would kind of like needle him on something, how other people just sort of stand back and like, alright, you asked for, but how good a motivation is it to just go like somebody tells me I can't, I'm going to do it.


Yeah.


Why not? So that's a really good lesson to learn. You know, and I relate so much to like the greatest basketball player ever lived.


There's so many similarities to meet now.


Right. Yeah.


I'm just getting, but yeah, it was, it was really cool.


But that's I think that's what it's like. It kind of starts because every little kid who won with Michael Jordan and started being like Michael Jordan, he started out being wanted to be like, you know, remember what they said, but like dr j a little bit and then he said some other guys who he was, but I think everybody, you know, and then eventually he sort of took it to another level, you know, I found him.


But that's because he found his own way and he listened to the way that he thought that it should be done, not the way that, you know, his idol or whoever was going to do it. But first he started from the one thing until I got a certain point and then yeah took it somewhere else.


Yeah. They no that's okay.


But you were going to ask the question I'm sorry I interrupted you. Yeah.


Um What?


Yeah I don't use I use twitter.


Uh Well I guess we just, I mean we have a few more minutes but we can either talk longer if you want or dude, if you want to um I can give you my name and you can look me up on facebook or something. I don't know. Do you use facebook? So what why do you do uh if you want I can give you my uh my twitter handles.


Uh huh. Mhm. Yes.


I have to but.


Uh huh. Um One I used it's MR spelled out so it's Mr liu L.


Yeah. Yeah.


O U.


Hello? U. M.


Yeah.


I. S. T. E. R.


Yes.


Right.


Yeah. And uh that's the twitter account. I used to watch all the movies like new to me the first time I've seen the movie and then in the description there should be a link to my other page and whenever I start getting ready to actually carol.


Mhm mm hmm. Yeah. Mhm. Do something like your book?


Yeah, yeah, sort of a placeholder and I'm trying to do some stuff in the meantime that um but I just haven't, every the last few months have just sort of like mentally Stalled me like 70%, so I'm trying to get back to that place, but uh yeah, before for uh you know, I was going to ask to tell me about yourself, I I talked most of this time, I'm sorry, but uh yeah.


Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah it's it's weird I almost don't even remember what before and after. Oh no that's okay. Um Yeah I mean I think I talked a little bit about a little bit about sort of what I do but yeah so I worked in a uh you know I studied like E.


And C. S. And I went and worked for internet startup and uh I got recruited to work at a hedge fund and then I like that and I got an idea from there to do something for myself and I started my own business like maybe 10, well technically it was like 13 years ago I guess.


Thanks. Mhm.


Um And so um yeah I have like a small software company and financial services and doing it for a long time and uh there's more to it than that, but that's all I want to sort of say and uh yeah, so that's that's what uh but I also like um I'm interested in movies and stuff like that, I have some friends who um are much, at least one of them is much uh you know hugely, he's not he's not entrepreneur anymore, but um anyways, he and another, one of my friends tried to make a movie from a book which maybe you have read because it's a little bit horror, it's uh Karla Griffis, the dwarf.


Right. What? Fair enough. Yeah, I don't that doesn't sound familiar, but I can definitely, Was it a book that they read or they read that they wrote or did they like license it or what?


That's right, yeah, yeah, they, well parliament has won the Nobel prize in Sweden for or the Pulitzer or something, I don't know before, I don't know if it was for this book or heard his whole work, but this is one of his most famous books, this is the dwarf. Um It takes place in like in medieval Italy and it's about this um these two kingdoms, it's based, it's loosely based upon like whoever was the Prince for dream Leo and our defenses time in Italy.


Mhm. Yeah.


Um And so there's these battles going on between, you know, this city state and like another city state and the prince has this dwarf who's like his uh friend or something like that.


What? Yeah. Uh huh, wow.


Um and they, so that the tour was basically evil and so he goes around and tries to meet all these different people in the kingdom, influence the prince. Um It's very uh so yeah they optioned the rights to it from the La Griffis family and they actually got Peter english, read the script and signed on to be on their script until he got game of Thrones, game of Thrones having first. And that character is so similar to this character. I don't know if I'll make it anymore, but they also they also got David Gordon Green to sign on to make it.


Uh Uh huh.


Um So yeah, so they wrote an adaptation from this guy that they went to college with who is right or for like maxim or something like that.


So he wrote the first version of it and that's what they used to get, You know um Peter Dinklage and David Gordon Green and then um but just like you know it's like so many movies like things like stall out for like you know what 10 years, whatever.


Yeah.


so I don't know or make it and there's all these things because so I went to that meeting for all these things like all this is really interesting.


Can I go? So I want to like Sweden when we try to raise money for it from people in Sweden.


Mhm.


Um We got invited to go to cans and I met David Gordon Green, I didn't, I never met Peter Dinklage, but it was interesting because they were talking about adopting net and like the it's a really short book, it's like less than 200 pages and it's very like simple um and it's got a lot of like psychological things, but the trick I guess was like the dwarf doesn't, he's always like a force of evil, so he's more of an archetype than he is a character because he doesn't like have an arc.


Yeah. Yeah.


Um So, but because everything is from his point of view, it was like hard to fit into a traditional movie for that, so it's interesting here to hear the different professional people like talk about how you can do this because it was like, it's, you know, it's and sometimes it was sort of like solving like um you know, like the caribbean equation or something like that because it was like, it doesn't fit like a standard solution and so I don't know, it was it was just it was it was it was interesting part of it, so yeah, definitely.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


I'm not checking your twitter for certain.


Oh, sweet. Right. On man. No, and I'll check out that book and David Gordon? Green's awesome. Um So that would especially like, well I don't want to say especially because it's just different but his early movies were such good like character study dramas and then he made was it Pineapple Express and it was like this is awesome and yeah and then the Halloween that he and Danny Mcbride did was they really was happy with that.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the most, Is that the most recent one that came out?


I didn't know that he was and I knew the demon for I was, but I didn't know that he was involved with that.


Yeah, he directed it and then they both co wrote it and it's like it's like if they pretty much ignored all the Halloween Sequels, it's like you watch the original and then this one and um like Jamie lee Curtis isn't it stupid?


Yeah, I liked it. I think I've seen it more than once. I have to go watch it again that I see that David Gordon Green is in it. But I remember because when, when, when we came out that he wanted to be associated with this movie that that that I helped with for a little bit.


And then we went to new york to meet him and we started like, I knew that I had seen at least one thing that he did, but we watched all of his early films and I was watching his films and I'm like, oh, this guy like loves Terrence Malick because you could just see all the films seem like they're like, you know, uh like ensemble pieces that are character studies and they're kind of like dreamy, like poetic, uh don't have like a real hard core narrative where you have like strong clear motivations and everything about what's happening to figure out a lot of stuff out.


So I thought was interesting then yeah when I saw it lightly but he did that like I think it's called Snowbirds or something like that like that back in sales then.


Yeah. Um Snowing, Snowing and Jill or something. I remember what it's called.


Yeah. Something like that.


Yeah. I thought the same thing with Pineapple Express is I'm like wow this is really different for decor dream but it was pretty great movie. Yeah.


Yeah.


Well I don't want to take up too much of the time but I really enjoyed talking to you all right.


Yeah, totally. Yeah.


Yeah, I'm going to check out your twitter and I hope that you you know, I'm really excited for you. I mean really?


Oh yes.


I don't know if I've ever met someone who is just Ever just stopped what they were doing, a written a 600 page book. So that's that's that's insane. But you did it so congratulations the people that yeah.


Right. Well if you if you ever, you know we'd chat on twitter or whatever if you're ever interested, I'm happy to send you a few chapters.


Okay.


If you'd like to check it out or give me feedback or just flip through and go meet and throw it away.


Mhm. Okay.


Like if you ever want to do that, let me know with no pressure.


Yeah. Yeah.


So cool.


Sure. Yeah. I would like to do that actually exactly when if I do it right now, but I would like to do that. So I'm gonna I'm gonna look you up nice scraping lulu.


Absolutely. Yeah.


Uh huh.


You too josh.


Yeah. Have a great night.


All right. Yeah. You too, man. Take care.


Thanks actually.


Yeah.


wow cool.


Right. Mhm.


Hello? Hello?


How are you?


Uh huh. Pretty good. How about yourself?


Won't I'm calling pennsylvania.


Oh, I'm in uh California a lot.


Okay so it's really early in the morning of the Mhm.


Yeah, it's that little little dark outside, Okay.


Yeah I'm sitting outside, it's nine It's 9 a.m. here so um yeah I'm getting a little chillier weather too so it's uh no snow yet but getting chilly here so yeah.


Mhm. Angry. Mhm. Uh Mhm. It's almost november, It's crazy. Huh?


Yeah. Where in California are you?


I live in uh basically Los Angeles suddenly uh it's called a covert city.


Uh Okay culver city?


It's almost almost within Los Angeles, that's where Sony Sony Sony pictures is, It's like, I don't know. Yeah, on the on the west side, so about maybe 66 or about six miles from the ocean if.


Yeah like Price is right, is there? Right and yeah.


Mhm. Yeah, me and my and my friends actually went on, went on uh jeopardy.


Yeah.


Uh like a like a last year.


Oh you're actually on the show as a contest Mint?


Yeah. Yeah, no, as audience audience member.


Okay.


Yeah, I think they I think they did three shows, I think uh it was like I can't stay long and they're like they're like half days, I think they do like they try to do like all the week's show was on the set of the single day, it's kind of cool.


Yeah. Is there like a lottery system for the tickets or do you just show up or?


I think you can just show up uh that they do have like uh like reserves for like contestants uh families.


That's like I think they're they're they're they're they're filming so much that's probably like, you know, they probably won't fill up all the time.


Yeah. Yeah. The only thing like here on the east coast is like um David David Letterman used to have his show in new york city so you could go I never did it personally but you can go and wait in line, I don't know if you actually get a ticket or you just go and the first x number of people in line get to go in and watch and um saturday night live is also from new york city and they would have so I've never gotten of any game shows on the east coast that do anything I'd love to go and just you know they have like a traveling prices right?


Yeah. On. Mhm. Yeah.


And um in lancaster pennsylvania they have a theater that and actually here on her she I live near Hershey pennsylvania.


Uh huh. Mhm.


We actually have the traveling prices right that obviously not drew Carey I don't think that hosted but they do that.


Mhm difficult.


So I guess that would be the next best thing I guess so so okay.


Uh huh. Actually uh I grew up in Ohio um and they had I don't want to columbus had they did have jeopardy come through like the where you can like that thing where you can uh to take a test to see it like that like traveling thing, we can go and like take a written test or whatever, see if you can qualify to be a show what the questions were hard, they were so hard.


Yeah. Okay. Did you try it wow.


Yeah, I mean, you know, me and my friends tried it, it was like a lot of people to, it was like there, they came and I forget what place to rent it out or they want this, but I was like Yeah.


Yeah I don't that's I uh I am not I can't like if I read something today I can't remember it tomorrow. Somebody you know you got to have a mind it's just unbelievable to some of those contestants on there have been just Yeah.


Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Well I know they they have like A bit of a cheat sheet. Like in terms of topics I think, where they're like we can cover these things so they're not like completely like oblivious.


Uh huh.


And I think, well I think that's what happened with the one the one guy that really did well it can't with a really good system to try to like learn as much as possible. Like him and his wife both teamed up or something like something like that reading it was like, you know, they they give you like a little bit of an idea where they're going and some people are just like really, really good at.


Yeah. Mhm Oh yeah, I wish my line was like that, but it's but it's so what took you from?


I like, you know, like memorizing things are trying to come in, we'll come in with systems or memory tricks to try to like get there. I believe I want them to like you know the code.


Ohio to California?


So that was pretty cool and my roommate moved with was interested in doing acting and I just was like like just to change change is seen growing up like not being by the ocean.


Okay, wow.


So it's just really, it's really cool. It's like you know, I feel like living in L. A. Despite being super. So it's like everyone like all around the world travels there so it's like you can almost live there and then that travel and meet people from all over the all over the world.


Okay. Well yeah, I was I've been to California twice but not real, not real recently.


So it's kind of cool. All right. Oh. Mhm.


I went in my Early, excuse me, early 20s twice. I had a friend that did a semester in san Francisco and then I met up with her and we went south into san Diego and and another time I went to the Rose Bowl, went to like the Rose Parade at all.


It's Oh. Mhm.


There was a local high school band that was going and there was just a bunch of families that got together.


Mhm.


So we went to the Rose Bowl, there was parade and I think we did Disney Land. Disney world.


Yeah, I get Disney Disney thing and stuff like that.


Yeah.


But I haven't been there. Haven't been there since my might get back. I loved had going north of san Francisco to Mendocino if you're familiar with it.


And uh that's a little island up there.


Um Okay, I'm drawing a blank but yeah.


Yeah. I'm not sure. But I did like I did like san Francisco a lot actually.


I I visited once before I moved out and I visited like all the west coast cities I visited like Portland and Seattle and san Francisco and L.


Mm.


A.


If I don't move myself by myself, I probably would have went to san Francisco but it was like that sometimes he's probably more expensive with all the well nowadays with all the uh little kind valley stuff but that's cool.


Uh huh. Oh yeah, sure. Yeah.


Um I was thinking the price is right.


Did you ever uh watch that like this mini documentary about the guy who broke the price is right, Are you familiar with that at all?


Yeah. No, I don't think I saw that. Was it on like a netflix same or something?


It might have been, but it was it was like so fascinating. It was like he came he came on the show, it was like over the years a lot. He was like Price is Right was his favorite things and he's just like he had his own list of like prices and he had been following the show for like years and years and there were times where like the um he he wouldn't, he wouldn't make it on to like, you know, he always keep them short. But he also help people like, you know, help people like, hey, listen that well like, oh, this is this is this.


Right, okay.


So people, people were actually like being helped by him like, you know the Wind. And finally it was like, it was and there was a right he had been on the show for he had been coming to show for years and years and then they switched over to when they switched over to drew Carey. It was like people, we're like panicked because they did something where like they knew like all the prices and they were just like so panic. But they thought they thought someone was trying to sabotage or feel like these are fans of patent that these people are trying to advertise the show they want to take over because it's like his system was, he had a whole like he was, he was a computer programmer from like from a long time ago.


Yeah. Mm Yeah. Mhm Okay.


So he just kind of made a little simple where he learned the prices and learn the variations, like down to the exact number because he loves the president was like, yeah.


Uh huh. I have to I have to search for that and see if I can find that being nursed because there was a game show, there's a story done on it where um that way you say whammy and this like little monster jumps up if then you lose your turn but the guy was able and there's like I think there's nine squares and like like all the no no no no it's um There's a screen and then you have to like the contestant hits a button and then it stops on like say $500.


Uh huh That's uh the deal deal or no deal. It was. Mhm Okay.


But then there's this little like red monster and you stop on that I think it's called a whammy and then you lose your turn.


Really?


But the guy was able to watch the nine The nine blocks um flash. And he was able to come up with a pattern and how they flashed and when the wing and he would come up and they said he had cheated.


Uh huh. Right.


Which I didn't think that was cheating.


Mhm.


He just figured out the system.


I didn't think that was cheating. And then I don't know if it's a netflix show or something that um you know I said how this guy cheated. I don't think that's cheating. He just figured out that's like other shows.


I know people underestimate underestimate humans all the time.


Yeah. Yeah.


All the time, do you think?


Yeah. So you senior, so your weather stays pretty warm out there where you're Yeah.


Yeah, basically like it's like, it's, I lived relatively close to the ocean so it stays pretty cool.


Like warm and cool. Then it gets hot for like august and it was actually had a couple of weeks ago, like we're still hadn't at night, but like compared to like the west coast where I live uh compression like the valley, which is like only like maybe a half an hour away, Well 30 miles, maybe 30 miles away in traffic, Like you can go like 20° higher almost.


Mhm. Okay. Oh.


Like it'll be like the weather by the city's is cooler than the further further inland inland you get, they're dramatically raises.


Mhm. You know Yeah we're about I think you could get the ocean and about 3 to 3.5 hour drive to the you know the east like the Delaware beach or the Maryland.


Mhm, mm.


You know Maryland is about 3 3.5 hours for us. So for us to go the beach, it's a little bit of a drive right?


I mean the beaches here are okay, the water doesn't get real warm. Maybe Low 70s at the heights in like late August early September The ocean water might get to the 70s but.


Mhm. Yeah, I've been to one of the beaches over there, a camera where my, my sister lived in like Dover Delaware for a little while.


Uh huh. Oh yeah that's yeah probably probably Rehobeth to go from Dover Delaware.


Uh No, we visited and went to like cameras, the beach was part of Jersey or what still state the future that reality.


You probably go to Rehobeth.


Mhm.


Um My nephew went to college in Dover Delaware, what Wesley college is there and then there's a um they didn't have a tissue but there's a big firefly music festival in Dover Delaware as the there's a Nascar speedway there if you remember that they always had, my daughters went three or 4 years.


Okay. Uh huh, mm hmm.


Um I think they actually started, started starting the festival was like friday night to sunday and then it was the thursday to sunday and then it went to Wednesday because it's the crowds were just just I mean they had paul McCartney one year so they you know they're headliners would get they get pretty good headliners there so.


Mhm, wow. Yeah, I think I'm really, most is trying to avoid all the, all the whole world. So it's just like, oh, here goes.


Oh I know. Yeah.


Like I actually lived in door for a little bit and then she moved to Newark for a little bit. I think she was working in the area. I remember they're they're pretty close. Remember? Remember we were driving up? I was actually playing, I was playing in a band and we're just doing like, like a little small shows up the coast, and we were like, we're on the on the freeway. I literally right, and I see like a whole like city line and I'm like, I don't even know what city that is. I especially like, oh, that's probably probably uh with uh well Wilmington Yeah, with you.


Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Well yeah Wilmington break their long 95. I mean Delaware's not real big, a friend of mine's daughter went to University of Delaware and she actually stayed down there is in new work.


Um Dover is about 20 to 30 minute drive from new work.


Okay.


Um But yeah, they are friends. Got a place outside in Middletown Delaware um and lived down there for a while and they knew all the back roads to avoid the tolls.


Oh.


You know when you live there and you're driving those roads every day, then we go to the beach just for the to get time in, you know you just stay on the highways and just you know pay the tolls.


But yeah, friends of ours lived down there and did everything they could to try.


What kind of music did you play?


At the time I was actually in a heavy metal band, uh the keyboards of piano, like I didn't really girl listen to music and I had some friends in high school, they were they were in and I was like, that sounds that sounds cool.


Really? Oh really? Oh cool, cool.


I would like I went to a couple of shows like really for keyword player or something else, that was kind of kind of fun, like, you know, I didn't really didn't make any money on the road. There was just kind of like kind of fun just going places and trying to like book, trying to book shows using like the internet and stuff like. Uh we used I think it was like, you know, the early two thousands, so like Myspace was popular than and it was really convenient. You could you could actually go on Myspace and search for shows by zip code.


So I would like I would get on and try to like search within a radius of like where we're planning on like going uh And sometimes I I find shows like people, people putting on like independent and independent shows and they say like, oh we're having artists and they will have a T.


I'm Yes.


B. A. So sometimes I've met people like, hey we're gonna be traveling through and sometimes you're like, oh yeah, it's awesome complain. It's pretty it's pretty good fun.


Yeah, I had a coworker whose son was in a band.


Right?


I mean I started in high school I think and It got hard because some of you know we're getting married and you know it wasn't 12 months a year and you know, they were even getting into Europe and I think that maybe even went to Australia, but just the logistics of traveling and taking your equipment, and, and they just because of needing to make a living.


Mm hmm. Oh yeah.


And the guys were getting in the late twenties, early thirties, I don't know if they had been following on instagram and I haven't seen anything for a while, so I don't know if they never went back to, I mean, I think they were playing Places with a couple of 1000, but not enough to because I couldn't believe they were gonna fold as a band and you know, you got to make a living, it's, you know, right, wow.


Mhm. Yeah, it's tough and it's it's really random. Like you almost can't hear what path you go. Like I have a friend out here that met uh and he's in a band that basically like gets all their money in Mexico. Like they'll they'll do the do stuff for her. She cord make videos and then they'll go like for a month and tour in Mexico, all these big shows and that's where like all the revenue came from, there were like five player enough.


Yeah. So, Well, yeah, my brother played in country and western bands from the age of 16 and then did it throughout his adult life.


Uh huh Oh yeah.


And, you know, he was in one band, they were sure they were going to make it big, and several of the teachers, or several of the band members were school teachers. So they had the summers off and they could go where my brother, quote, took a leave of absence to go with this band. Well, then in the fall, he went to go back to the job, his job. And they said, now you left this job to take another job? No, no, I did. You know, and he lost a really, really good job.


Oh, I'm now, yeah.


You know, he wanted to take a chance with the band and just, you know, it's hard, you know, they lived on a bus and it's it's right, right.


Uh huh I feel like it's like a touch of choice because you're going to have a possible uh re uh threats either way, like if he didn't go and just kept this great job later on, he'd be thinking like, oh, I'm looking at looking happened, thanks big.


Well, you know, he's 68 and he's still he plays drums, he's 68, and he just talked to him two weekends ago, and he he was supposed to have a gig and they ended up canceling it.


Oh right.


But I don't know it just gets in your blood and you know for do do little local things that make $200 in an evening. You know it's not bad and he loves it.


Mhm Oh yeah, yeah.


I mean that's the thing it's just It's but at 68 it's pretty hard in your body you know being out late at night and setting up drums and tearing down drums and you know, things like that. But that could be a tough life, tough life.


Mhm.


Yeah. Yeah.


I would Mhm uh Yeah, I have a nephew, uh and Pittsburgh, he's gonna be like, oh man.


Have you ever been to pennsylvania? Okay.


Uh yes, I'm not sure how old he is.


Yeah.


Let's see, my my older brother is uh let's see, how am I? My brother's brother is is uh 40 41, he just turned 41 this year, and he had he had his son and he was 19, So that means he's gonna be turning uh 2021 probably soon, and basically, my brother went to, went to college in Pittsburgh, uh went to the R r r just just to the Pittsburgh, uh he went to the Artistic Pittsburgh, and then um yeah, and then I've been the pencil, I remember I played a show somewhere in the middle, in the middle of pennsylvania, I can't remember where it was anymore uh back when we were just kind of like traveling around the region, and then I'm I've been I've been to philadelphia, like once when um I went to visit my sister, her her boyfriend at the time, uh took me and my uh my sister about eight years older than me, so I was, I was young, like just just graduated high school, and so my sister's boyfriend, they just go to fill it with just a philadelphia to see what it's like myself.


Mhm. Okay. Oh he didn't go to pit. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah philadelphia and Wilmington are only about maybe yeah 2030 minutes apart.


Mhm mm cameras, but they're pretty close definitely.


Driving wise. Yeah because we yeah we've driven my daughter's friend from Newark Delaware to the airport in philadelphia so I think it's about a half hour so it's not that far.


And yeah. Mhm Yeah, I guess I did stand Philly one more time, but back when I was in the band, but we got our actually got our van broken into like I got to get to the guitar, stumbling and stuff and so he left.


Yeah. Oh right. Yeah.


We're gonna, we're actually gonna go up to Maine, which is crazy.


Okay.


We butchered Sean made, it was like, it was going to be so far as we have any other shows in like the new England Area.


Uh It would be like, it was a stupid fart here, but it's probably been fun I guess. But it was like, it was like we're going home like hell.


Yeah sure.


But it has been like, Like a 15 hour drivers and like that it was uh I forget what city and made it was.


Yeah means means a hike defending mhm Oh Shawshank redemption yeah.


I mean we had actually met the guys before that we because we lived with, I live in a small city called Mansfield Ohio, which is like in between columbus and Cleveland. About an hour from each and it's our most famous thing. It's probably a old old prisoner we have there that uh Shawshank. It was yeah, So it was funny because I was still still pretty, I was pretty young. Like I was like 18 or 19.


Mm Oh uh huh Yeah, yeah.


And I remember like we did a show where we're like, we're like inviting bands because since we're halfway in between columbus and Cleveland a lot of times, like more smaller independent bands like you said, hey come in like a kind of funny show. One of our shows, we had like a banned from maine and then a couple a couple bands from from from California play at the time. I was either anyone from California, so I was thinking they'd be all stereotypical server side of the old man, You're gonna understand what they're saying, but they sound they sound pretty easy to understand the guys from Maine though. Oh my goodness. Like I was like, I had to listen really hard to understand what they're saying, I was like, I was like, I thought that California will be hard to stand with these as to remain.


With their accent. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


Seems like they're speaking of another link, another link, but really nice. But I was like, I remember being surprised cause I feel like maybe just a lot closer California even though it's like, you know, so far away, like misleadingly, but at the same time zone at least. Yeah.


I just stayed in Mommy M A um ee it south of Toledo little, do you remember that my husband, I did a cross country trip for three months out west and we came down like around Lake Superior and lake michigan and we stayed in Mommy, I was just, I'm just looking at it on the map here because I couldn't remember the name of the town and then we came down into south of Cleveland and then down into pennsylvania that way.


Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Group. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh.


But yeah.


Man, I played I played tennis in high school and we were in the north, we were in the northwest I guess region of Ohio.


Mhm uh huh.


It's not like uh so we were so whenever with uh for sectionals I guess so like to like our team wasn't that great, we weren't going to like playing like a state championship racing like that but to go through and we played the team in Toledo and Mamby and stuff like that like they're they're part of our seeing sports region when it when it comes to like an advanced.


Okay. Okay. Yeah, I see it here now. Um yeah.


Alright. I yeah I've been to mom, I've been to mommy once just to play tennis just to play tennis.


Um, do you ever, you still play tennis?


Not as much as I used to like when I moved out to here to L.


Yeah.


A. I was like really shocked because first of all the tennis courts stay open all year all year round or round, it was just like and I got some great rackets like from just from like thrift shops, like I found rackets were more expensive than the ones I bought, but when I played in high school And I got like $5.


Right. Yeah. Mhm. Okay.


So I was actually going playing tennis for awhile and I started I kind of fell off a bit and I joined some like adult rec league does fall weeks.


Oh wow. Mhm. Okay.


I started like that and it's like a really popular scene in L. A. So like it's like that that's well that's a place what's awhile but it's been it's been a little bit since I played tennis were very well, especially, I'm not sure.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever hear a pickle ball? Pickle ball is played well where I play it on the tennis court but we have portable nets and there's actually two lined pickleball courts on either side of the tennis net.


Mhm. Uh huh.


So you're playing on a very abbreviated size court. The racket is, I'm going to say twice the size of a ping pong racket and it's it's solid, it doesn't have strings like a tennis racket and and then the ball, it's like a whiffle ball, there's actually a ball for indoor out and ball for outdoor play.


Mhm. Mhm. Yeah, I've never heard of that. Mhm.


There's two different balls and I started playing it when I retired like almost two years ago at a like an indoor community rec center in my area.


That's cool. Mhm.


And if you ever get a chance it's especially as a former tennis player because I play with a lot of former tennis players.


Okay. Mhm, mm.


I mean people think it's like if you go on youtube, you can find videos all the time, but it's fast paced in the sense that like once the service started And you play two on the side, you can't play singles, but you play two on the side, you know, you only score, you only get a point when you serve.


But Mhm. Oh.


Um And then there's a line seven ft back from the net that is called the, I don't know what kind of wonder what they call that line, but a lot of times you just stand up there and then you just hit the ball real fast in the air back and forth, which is called thinking.


Mhm.


But if you ever get a chance to play, especially being a former tennis player, I think you really it's it's I play five or six times a week.


That's right.


Um And we're getting now where I'm not sure we're going to be able to be playing outside because I all the indoor place, well there's a few indoors I think there's a church that has courts are allowing people to play a couple of days a week.


All right. Mhm. Yeah.


But I'm hoping I can play as much as possible until we get snow or really windy conditions.


Oh yeah, definitely.


But if you ever get a chance I think you would I think you'd find it because people like oh it's not a workout but it's it's more than than you think it's you know so yeah I'm supposed to play this afternoon but the weather's it's raining right now so I don't know, get a little bit of sun dry out the courts and so tennis, was that a spring sport for you?


Yeah. What? Uh huh. Yeah. Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah, I remember that, I remember that feeling during when I was in school school, during tennis season, like Oh no, yes, for our school it was uh it was spring for the boys and fall and fall for the girls.


Okay.


Uh huh.


Yeah, I think that might be how our state, how our state does it?


Mhm And I was like, yeah, I want to say like it's funny like it's absolutely the season when the season will start, sometimes there will be snow like it was like you had Yeah.


Well my my ball, go ahead, I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think, I think I remember local tennis teams having to shovel the courts off.


Mhm, wow.


Um Yeah, my back to pickleball, my daughter played pickle ball in high school in gym class and she thought it was just something her her like gym teacher made up. She never, and then when I started playing, you know, I said to my daughter, I said you know, do you want to play?


Mhm. Mhm Oh Oh.


And she's like, no, I thought it was just a made up thing that my gym teacher came up with, but it's really becoming like, like retirement villages, you know, a lot. It can be pretty hard on your knees, you really got to, you can really get hurt if if you're a real aggressive player.


Oh. Mhm.


I like to keep it pretty low key. I'm just out for exercise. Not out to be any kind of a champion or there's all kind of tournaments and stuff you can go to, but you have to be ranked and I'm not, I'm too old for that.


But uh you bet. Yeah.


I don't need to be ranked and be in competition.


Yeah.


I just want to get exercise and, and have fun.


Mhm Yeah, we have to think about paddle tennis out here, which is kind of a variation of tennis I never heard of and tell them about here.


So yeah. Yeah. Okay.


It's like a smaller corn and stuff, Yeah.


Yeah. Uh, I wonder if they use a pickle ball, they called paddle tennis.


Mhm Yes.


I think I have, I saw something on that. I wonder if they use the pickleball courts for that.


Right.


I have to look that up.


Mhm.


I'm just curious.


Mhm Right, Thanks.


Yeah, but a lot of people here are starting to get into it and um, you know, making leagues and really getting people interested in it and stuff. So, so, well I think we have our time and I enjoyed talking to you and my name is linda chris.


Mhm. You too? That's funny. The same thing happened to the last time I realized we ask each other or in our names. Uh huh. I'm chris This is my 3rd, my 3rd 1.


Um Have you done any of these before? Okay this is my 6th 1. They originally said you could only do four and then they changed it to yeah and my last two didn't show up so this was my so thank you for showing up so.


Okay. Mhm. I think it's six now. Okay. Uh Fire on three for 3.


Oh good.


It is.


Yeah. Yeah my other ones um My first four I don't think I had any issues and then this the 6th 12 people you know didn't show up.


Uh huh. Oh yeah.


So you know I I usually they say you have to give them five minutes. I think the one time I waited 20 minutes just because I was reading or something wise I'll just stay on him wait. So yeah it's pretty it's pretty good you know pretty good money for just sitting talking to somebody and yeah I enjoy doing it.


Oh, for sure.


Yeah so well you have a nice day.


Okay, but thank you. You, too. It's nice to meet and talk to you linda.


You too chris say bye bye.


Mhm. Hello, mm.


Yeah. Hello Hello Hello Hello? Oh hello? Oh or do you do? Oh needed to run? Oh don't do it honorably.


that way.


I didn't, I have not been no shadow see Hello? Yeah, can you hear me?


Hello? I can hear you. Can you hear me now?


Yeah Kanye you how you doing?


Hey? Hi. Uh Pretty good. Pretty good.


All right?


Feeling better now that the election is over?


You look good And is there you look and you look awesome.


Uh huh. Thanks hopped out of the tub.


You look good. Just okay.


A Where about do you live?


I'm in the States. I live in the States.


Yeah. Is it cold violence?


Oh. Mhm.


Is it cold?


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is it?


I live in Arizona so it's still pretty warm.


And uh it's called over here? Yeah.


What? Okay.


So how how have you been in this election period?


Um Yeah.


Have you been? Mhm.


Uh Really stressed out.


Uh huh Great.


Um But you know uh feeling feeling better now that we hopefully at least won't have trump again.


Yeah you can yeah there is just yeah thank you or trump was a problem.


Um Not super super excited about biden but way more excited than about trump because that was a problem in my opinion. Um Yeah.


So you're not also excited about biting?


Yeah.


Yeah I would I mean I would have preferred Bernie Sanders.


Um But we can't have nice things right?


Oh wow. So who did you vote for?


I voted for biden but before that I voted for Bernie Sanders like before like for the um the primaries or whatever, like I would have preferred that it was Bernie Sanders versus trump and then we had Bernie Sanders but that wasn't an option.


And I think whoa mm that's good.


So I also I also have a binding you know problem has always been beat them.


Yeah. how about you? Mhm Yeah. Mhm. Mhm.


Trump has always been a problem to us and I'm like right he works, he lacks he lacks the quality of leadership.


World Oh yeah, yeah, not okay, yep, for sure.


Yeah. Yeah. Very very selfish leader. Uh huh.


Yeah, yeah, definitely.


Very stop, very angled Angelina, both and lots more that can't even mention what?


He says a lot of days, does that mean? Mhm Yeah, things that you don't say in polite conversation about?


Well at the end of the day I see you, I'm so happy that beating one hurry I'm after.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.


Yeah. Yeah.


It's definitely better. I'm a little nervous that trump's not gonna get the heck out that he's going to try to cheat his way into staying, but I think it will be okay.


Mhm. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I can't wait. I can't with trump's you get out of the white house.


Yeah.


Didn't she occupied our space?


Yeah, sure, sure, definitely.


Uh huh. So have you have you been since the election started off since after the election or how was your mood since then? You had or you saw the by the one? Oh. Mhm.


Uh happy and relieved, but also kind of like I saw something on the internet that was like Why do I feel like how when you're watching a scary movie and they defeat the monster, but there's still like 20 minutes left so you feel like they're gonna come back, like um like I'm still a little bit on edge, I feel more relieved once he's actually out of there.


Uh huh. What? Mhm. Yeah. What? It's cool, It's cool.


Yeah. Uh huh Yeah.


So are you policing were married when they get it?


If you do this, I'm engaged. How about yourself?


Uh huh.


I'm engaged crap about you.


Uh So yeah, engaged, which means you're single.


You're not you're not yet my wood.


Yeah. That not yet.


I use reach me in a serious relationship and I hope you invite me for your, for your for your for your wedding.


Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


How do you, so you leave it at home with your family?


Yeah. Once I ever figure out when that's going to happen, I got engaged like forever ago. But then I started grad school, so I've been too busy to even think about getting married. Uh huh. No, I live with my partner, but we just haven't picked out a date or anything.


Been a fish? Yeah. You live with your partner.


Yeah. Mhm Yeah.


So are you, do you do you guys have kid?


No, we have dogs. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Mm guys school? Uh at any time when you wish your personal touches you?


Yeah.


Right. What's that?


How do you feel?


Then it sounds like, it sounds like you live with a lot of people.


Oh you don't talk about? Uh huh. Yeah.


It sounds like you live with some other people.


Hello? I can't hear you.


Mhm. Can you hear me?


Yeah. Kanye. In addition, Yeah.


It sounds like you live with some other people or the TVs on.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I live with my family here.


Okay.


I live with my family but uh I've kid but I'm not mom single but I just, I just came out of a marriage so I'm still have one kid. So yeah, I'm actually whether I have a kid.


Okay. Well, yeah. Boy or girl.


It boy, it's just six, yep.


How old is he? Six?


So how do you, you're all grown up now?


Hey? 28.


She have wanted that.


I'm still doing school.


Yeah. Which which level are you? Well she knows how she's, wow congratulations mm I'm happy for you.


I'm almost done with my PhD. Yeah. Thank you. Uh huh. Thanks.


I'm about I don't finish when once was about applying from activity but have not yet started due to only due to family responsibilities and all sorts of that.


Right. Yeah.


I've been very busy with work hands on sort of uh my peers do.


Yeah. Yeah. What's what do you want to do your PhD in?


Yeah.


Yeah. What do you want to to do?


Yeah health care health care.


Like what kind of program? Okay.


So oh well I've not I've not decided on which one to precise so whenever I'm ready are we just go and see which one I can understand.


Cool. Like public health, like public health or like bio staff or? Yeah. Yeah. Mhm.


So which where did you wish?


Program the definition your master and play to your masters and which one are you doing your place dinner?


Mhm. Um So it's it's in the same program um and I'm doing clinical psychology.


Okay mm Clinical psychology. So I'm talking to psychologist here.


Mhm. Oh not until I have my degree and my license.


Yeah. Yeah.


I'm uh trainee or doctoral student or something.


Yes. Show john sorry as well.


So how have we been in this pandemic then?


Yeah. Mhm. Okay, spending to get a little bit uh decent.


Exactly how have the pandemic treated you?


I haven't had anyone that I know get really sick or have a lot of um you know like financial difficulties from it.


Yeah.


So I'm blessed in that way. Um It's mostly just stressful to like be at home all the time for so long.


Like I missed, I miss people and like doing activities, but that's pretty minor.


Mhm. What? Mhm. Okay we can. Yeah wow.


How about you?


I don't know where to start from. Well I lost my job doing this fandom and that's what made me to be on politic like you can see just to make a living just to some hope take care of my kid to feed as well.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah, yep. Mhm. Mhm. Okay. Yeah.


Well the little money I make I just use it to take care of my kids the most because I can't see my keep going hungry.


And you don't, yeah.


You understand it's also important I love my kids and I can't do anything for him even though around move what?


Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Have you had, sorry?


Even though even though I don't have much I'll make sure I struggle or I strive hard for my kid to be very successful so she's.


Right. Yeah. You know, Yeah, exactly. Have you had any left with the like unemployment stuff that they were supposed to have for people that lost their jobs because of covid or has that not worked?


Mhm. Um Mhm. Yeah there was a time that Donald Trump then he gave like 1000 plus doors and that was the only one I have then and since then I haven't have album secured anyone.


Okay. Yeah. You can probably, I don't know, prolific is definitely the best one that I found online as far as like paying actual money for things.


I don't know if there's anywhere you can introduce me to. The only ones, anyone you know that I can apply. Yeah. Mhm. Who is it?


Um But I think it kind of depends on where you live, like can you reach out to your alumni program from your masters at all maybe and I know it's not, it's obviously not the best pay, but I know a lot of places higher seasonal workers for like the holidays coming up um like amazon and target in places like that because lots of pick, they get lots of business over the holidays.


Mhm. Oh no probably I will see our city to eat. I'll see to it. So what what it yeah sure. You fool. Who? Okay can you do me a few more?


Um President, Yeah, mm, good to meet you.


I don't know after this after this that I love too. If you can talk more, maybe you give me your money where I can mail you.


Okay. Mhm Uh huh.


So you give information about one or two things.


Yeah.


Mm So what what's your mail?


Okay. Yeah. AJSB 247.


Let me, let me take, you can dance but I'll write it down.


Yeah. Mm Yeah, that's what ready?


Oh, yep, mm hmm. Yeah I'm ready.


Yes.


The JSB 247 people.


Right J. S. P.


Mhm B As in boy?


I'm gonna GSP yeah. Huh?


Yeah. uh 247 uh, yep.


A 247. He's mother appreciation.


At N au dot E D U. Mhm Mhm Okay, Okay.


I do. GSP hello? DSP 247 at N.


Yeah, at N au dot E D U. Yeah, yep, mhm uh dot E D U.


A. U. What's not what?


Like education?


Open it dot edu E.


Yeah.


D. S. P. 247 at N. Au dot E.


Mhm What?


D. U.


Mhm, yep, mhm, mhm Jasmine.


Okay. Thank you very much. So what's the name? Jasmine?


How about you, William?


Mm I'm William. No.


Nice to meet you.


Mm hmm.


I can only see the top of your head.


It's my pleasure. It's my meeting is my pleasure meeting you.


Thanks nice to meet you as well.


Yeah, it was.


Uh huh.


What's your partner's name?


Yeah, Ryan, Uh huh.


Yeah. Bye. We love dunning by love learning optimization very soon. Mhm.


What's your son's name?


My son's name is Michael.


Michael. That's a good one.


Mm And I can't, I can't with you.


Mhm. Is he in kindergarten?


Is he in Kindergarten or 1st grade?


Okay. Is in India in the carton? What?


Yeah.


Has he had to do it all on the computer like or can we go to the place?


You know what it is? What is behind? Hello? Can you?


Mm hmm. Can you hear me now?


Yeah. What do you see?


I was asking if he's had to do it all on the computer or if he's been able to go to school with the pandemic?


Oh computer. Computer. Yeah.


Perfect. Yeah, that's hard.


Like I said earlier, I can't wait for the invitation between you and brian.


Uh huh.


Okay. So what we need to send me send me an invite to men.


Yeah. Mhm. Mhm Okay. Yeah, once I figure it out, man.


So like how many years now? Duty and you'll figure everything out that you people will stay us as my couples.


Oh, Mhm.


Like how many is looking up to you?


You see it that way.


Um so we've been together for seven years, uh and we've been engaged for like four years, I think.


What does that is a lot of years. Mhm wow. That's that's also they do forget about that.


Mm How what? Yeah. Um yeah, yeah, he's a good guy.


I can see the love, you know, eyes. You love him so much. You like him so much. Yeah.


He likes to have his messy office though.


Yes. Is that his stuffing?


Mhm.


I can see all those packages that you're behind you.


No. Okay. Okay.


Yeah, it's like different like tool things and he's got some like uh like drone airplane things and whatever that he plays with.


Oh, what what does he do?


Um he's an aerospace engineer so it kind of fits.


Mhm Yeah. Okay guys. Good. Happy for you boots.


Mhm Happy for you.


Thanks.


But I my regards to you.


Yeah, he's out at work building.


Well, right, so it was your, what was your time over there?


Something replies. I don't know right? Actually It is 1021 am Mhm.


You can have 10 21 Air. Right.


Same. That same here.


Yeah. Okay there on the West coast somewhere?


Yeah, exactly. Something like that. So if I may ask, mm hmm, wow, I forgot.


Uh huh. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, happens.


To him with our jacks. You look, you look, you know your beaches making me to forget what a hunter axe.


So nice.


Oh, okay.


Have you done one of these like these conversations things before?


Mhm. No, this is my first formal accusation I'm doing. It's my first, yeah.


Yeah, it's pretty nice because they, you know, you get like what, like $15 or something and it's usually yeah, pretty fun to just talk to people for a little bit.


Mhm. Yes.


It's better than the other questionnaire things.


Yeah. It's better than other question. Yeah, it's and even this question.


Mm hmm.


Yes, they don't pay much like you understand this stress and other things.


Yeah.


This one you just talk for a little bit and you pay like $15.


Mhm. Yeah. Yeah.


It's okay. It's okay.


The families. Yeah.


So yeah, I, I don't understand me.


You don't, they don't like those questions.


Years of this.


Uh Yeah, yeah, she was stuck in talking is more fun.


Uh there, you know, there's just a lot of really repetitive questions or like boring questions and talking to people is more fun.


I wish it would be like this. It will be very, very good than others.


Right? What's going on here, yep.


So boring question else. Christians. Mhm. Yeah.


Yeah, it looks like you can do for this study. I think you can do seven of these. Um if you sign up for them.


Yeah. Okay.


South speaking.


77 of this is a lot of is a lot of dollars.


Yeah. What, yep.


$15 into 7 7 times, Wow is a cool morning.


Yeah. Yeah.


There could I can use it for one or two important things.


Yeah.


So what work do you do right now?


Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah.


So.


Um when I'm done with this, I'm going to start working on my dissertation project some more because of the pandemic, I had to make it so that people can do my study online.


Yeah. Well yeah woman.


Kind of how prolific is um because I can't see people in person, so I have to figure out how to code it all to have people do tax and collect my data.


Yeah. So you also I touch them. He also is politic as your research research method for your group.


Mhm. Mhm. Um I'm gonna I'm gonna use a different one that so that I don't have to pay my participants.


Right.


I'm going to just use undergraduates um like volunteers that are in um psychology classes will take my study for course credit.


Yeah. Yeah. Bye.


Um But yeah, that was how I found prolific, was looking for a way to run online studies, but mm, I think probably right around when the pandemic started because that was when I needed to find a way to do online studies and then I realized I could make money on prolific.


This is okay. So since when did he start by taking in politic? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.


Okay, so I'm on the computer like most of the time anyways, doing my work at home, so I can just like take studies whenever they pop up.


Yeah. Mhm. Exactly that most most people join all these online besides doing pandemic because of lack of job and something like this.


Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Working. Mhm. Mhm.


In fact a lot of people came across politic during this pandemic period.


Yeah.


Yes.


Mhm.


Yeah. They have a lot of participant and they also have a lot of with such as community you understand.


What are you doing here?


So the go go's honey hand.


Yeah. Mhm.


They work together without without such as the only political and without the participants.


Yeah, yep, yep, exactly, it works out well, yeah.


Like we're taking it to the only political as well. And I think I think the initiative of bringing prolific.


I recommend the I recommend the management because they really have a lot of so.


Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, unfortunately.


Mhm. Doing this pandemic to decide. A lot of people join us. They are living in life because of this policy. So let me say prolific saved me more than the U. S. Government. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah politic what was a prolific our politic employment doing this.


Thank you. Yeah.


But thanks to politic I'm able to get feeding and feeding money from it.


Mhm, yep. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


So kudos to politic kudos to politic what should be?


Yeah, yeah, awesome. Well, I definitely recommend that you sign up for more because I think they're the highest paying ones.


Oh.


Um and yeah, I'll watch out for your email and uh maybe talk to you more later.


Uh huh. Mhm.


Yeah, good luck, have a good day.


Okay no problem. Yeah. Yes. Okay thank you very much take good care of yourself and um brian you should take care of ourselves.


Mhm. You get, bye.


Mhm.


if, Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Mhm. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah hurt. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Good.


Hello.


Okay, yep.


You hear me?


Yeah just fine.


Yeah. All right.


I guess we're supposed to just talk or where are you?


Yes I guess it's just a random conversation. So how are you doing?


Good, how are you doing?


Oh not too bad.


Right where are you?


Do you? Uh Oh I love the pennsylvania Tucson.


What part of? Okay. Tucson.


I had an aunt that lived there long long time ago.


It's a good place.


Yeah. She used to uh do like a lot of rock climbing and stuff around there.


Oh yeah there's there's some places not far at all.


Mhm. Yeah. I think she eventually got tired of the heat though. I think that was like the main the main bad side of it for her.


Yeah we're moving into that season now mm Okay.


Yeah. But I was living I lived in pennsylvania most of my life. But I lived in um last year I lived in south Carolina for a little over a year and I got a little east of what it's like to uh to be in like a hotter territory over the summer, it was pretty intense.


Yeah now it's better here than I've lived in the midwest and the Northeast and at least that whole dry heat thing does make a difference but it's still hot.


Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have nearly as much of a humidity issue there.


Yeah.


Yeah, I was in um it's probably like 15 years ago, I was in California during a summer and it was much more tolerable than like really bad summers on the on the East Coast. Just because like it could be really hot, but you weren't just drenched all the time.


Really? Right went back east last summer to visit family in new york at a family beach house and I felt like I was wet all the time.


Uh Mhm. Yeah. Yeah.


Mhm. Yeah, I missed uh missed seasons, that was the main thing I missed when I was in, I'm not sure what it's like in uh in Arizona in in um south Carolina, it felt like It was kind of like 75% of the year was summer, and then 25% of the year was like mild summer, didn't feel like there was any other seasons.


Right. Yeah. Okay but if you get used I feel like they're actually our seasons are just not eastern season.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah there's there is a winter when it's kind of chilly and rainy although not nothing like out east and there's spring where things are blooming and it's just really nice out.


And then you get into the really hot summer when you get a hot rainy part of the summer which is more humid.


Yeah. Yeah, I was I remembered um one of the things about being in uh in California during it was probably like Somewhere around October or so and there was this like it came on the news that like a big cold front was coming in and the cold front was where it dropped down to like 70° or something like that.


Then in fall it goes back to hot and dry. No. Uh huh. Yeah. Oh well what we do freeze in winter sometimes only at night you know view but and one time it snowed during the day.


I was like what? Mm. Yeah. Yeah.


That was what was unusual.


Yeah. Is it is it a thing where if you get like a Like a 10th of an inch of snow on the ground, everything just shuts down for a full day.


Oh yeah I think there was on the night time at least if it's still there in the morning you know a lot of time they'll fall at night and then be gone.


They do remember watching the news listening to the news one day.


You know they were explaining what black guys was.


Right.


Yeah we see show because it wasn't something anyone we've been here all their lives would be familiar with.


Yeah.


It's kind of funny.


Yeah. I um Forget what I think it was maybe around like 1993 or 94.


We had like crazy winter where uh it snowed. Like I I don't remember how much snow it was but it was feet like it was where there were snow drifts that were like over six ft tall. And uh Uh one day I went out to play, I was probably like on a 13 or 14 at the time and I went out to play and it was like there was probably too two or 3 ft of snow on the ground and the top like probably six or nine inches was just solid ice.


Yeah wow.


And and it was like a complete was like an alien planet. And um I went out with my cousin and we were like playing on this big hill where we were trying to climb it, but it was like literally trying to climb a sheet of ice that we had the like pound little holes in it to like pull ourselves up.


Like.


And then if we like lost our grip and slide all the way down to the bottom. And and then it was like crazy to think about like how how uh much snow that was and then when and then you think about living in a place like California Arizona and how you know, just getting like a little flurry of snow.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah like snow I did think especially as a kid getting out and it was great.


Is this like, oh my goodness, look at snow. Mhm. Yeah.


Yeah the kids out will get surprised that it's cold that snow is so cold, T.


It. Right.


V. You know it's usually like in holiday sort of things and it looks warm and cozy.


Right. Yeah, it's like fireplaces and hot chocolate and everything.


Uh huh.


Yeah. So is this uh do you do a lot of um like prolific style work from home or is this more of like a side thing or do you do this as a as a main form of income?


I just started doing I've just started doing user testing in general not to to long ago and I just found prolific.


No. Yeah. Yeah.


I know probably only about two weeks ago and there's been right so and I'm a freelancer so I'm working at home already so I just kind of leave a window open and do it.


I don't see you. Yeah. Lucky. Right.


Well how about you have you been doing this for a while or?


Um Yeah, it's been, I don't say it's probably close to two years now. I I uh sort of transition from working a normal job while I was still working at my last job, I started researching these kinds of sites and realized that you can actually make about as much doing this kind of work on average as I was making at my job.


Okay. Uh huh. Still working outside? Mhm. Yeah.


And um and then you've got all the freedom of, you know, saving time not having the drive to and from work or dealing with the boss or any of that stuff.


Yeah. Right.


So researching different sites and then um sort of uh started doing them a little bit like on the side while I was working until I got comfortable enough with it and then put in my notice and then like transitioned over to doing it full time.


Yeah.


So I jumped, I jumped between probably like, well I probably have like a dozen different sites that I use, but it's only maybe like half a dozen of them that I use like a lot and prolific is one that's sort of like uh like you said, I just kind of like keep it open in the background and look for pop up when they pop up, I'll grab them and and I just do that with like several different sites so that there's usually if there's nothing going on in other sites and I can jump over to another one and usually find enough stuff to keep myself busy.


Whatever. What, oh yeah I've been working on doing that with him. A freelance writer so you know I'll work on something then switch over if something pops up and then switch back.


Yeah. Mhm.


What other sites are you using? I'm using a couple of others too.


Um the one that I started off using like that I was only using when I first started was amazon's mechanical turk I think the monastery.


Okay. And I just signed up for them. I haven't started using them yet.


Yeah, that's that's one that's like, it can be really hit or miss.


Oh.


Like if you can find good stuff on there, you can make like some really good um money. Uh there's like some really sort of not very good stuff. The biggest trick about it is learning which which requesters like come on pretty regularly that are like really trustworthy and pay good versus the ones that are on regularly that don't pay very well.


Mhm. Well don't and europe.


And um and there's a like whenever you submit work then a requester can accept it or reject it. And I don't know how much research you did on mturk before you signed up for it, but they kind of um a lot of requesters will require you to have like a certain level of your jobs accepted uh you qualify for their jobs, so if you end up having a bunch of rejections it can mess up your average. And so I essentially spent the first like month or two just getting stuff that seemed like really safe and that you can do a lot of to build up numbers to the point and you could be a little more cavalier about what you're doing because you've got enough jobs accepted that if you get a few injections it's not going to mess up your average.


What that my friend problem? Okay yep.


So that's like the biggest hurdle of getting into Mturk is just getting your numbers build up and getting to know like what the good requesters are and what the bad requesters are.


That sounds a lot like I did content writing for a web company for a web content company for a while and the same thing like your acceptance rate.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


What?


Yes sometimes it doesn't pay very well but you can do them like you know they'll pay like one cent per job but they only take a couple of seconds to do.


All right. What?


And if you just grind through like hundreds or thousands of those it's a really good way to get your numbers up.


Mhm mm.


As long as it's like a requester that you know isn't uh doesn't going to reject a bunch of your work. And uh there's uh there's a site called uh turk out the con that you can go to that where people like rape the requesters about like where they are, stuff like that so you can avoid the crap ear ones.


Yeah. Oh. Oh yeah. Well.


So it's it's good. I've made I've made decent money on there and uh I can tell you just like right off the top of my head that if you ever um happened to see um a requester called alexandria. There one of the best ones on there, they pay really fair.


Oh cool.


I've never had a rejection from them. I've done thousands of jobs for them. And uh there are ones where you can um It fluctuates depending on what kind of work it is. But a lot of times you can make like $2025 an hour. We're doing their stuff whenever it's up but it doesn't always last a long time because they are so good so people kind of dive on them.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well that's true. Pretty much actually prolific.


Yeah I've heard him that it was called Try My UI.


A little longer than when some of them there's one to try my which I like because they pre screen like prolific. If you get a link at all you're qualified. But those were really fast. And of course thank you. Uh huh.


Yeah, I think please.


I've only done a few of them. So Power.


I think I had unwritten down.


I mean you're in like noon it try my U.


Yeah. I'm sorry say that again.


I. T. R. Y. And why you a there's one word.


Yeah. Yeah. I have a list of ones that I still haven't looked up yet and I'm pretty sure that was one of them because that sounds really familiar. So you've used them and they're actually decent.


Yeah. Actually I haven't gotten a ton of work but I like knowing that when a link comes up at all I'm going to qualify.


Yeah.


Well like prolific. Does they look at the democrats ahead of time and then user testing dot com.


Right.


There's one that I've been using a lot of.


Yeah. Yeah. I do use your custom. I think user testing has become one of my, it's probably like my second best site right now because I get Uh you know you have to go through a lot of screeners on there that but the screeners are really fast so it's not just doesn't really feel like that big of a waste of time.


Right okay well what kind of for me?


But when you when you grab one it's like you know $10 for a 10 or 15 minute thing is really good. And Yeah.


You know a lot.


Yeah, I really like doing those and then occasionally when you get lucky and you get the ones where it's actually like a like a face to face with somebody Where they'll pay like $30 for a half an hour or $60 for an hour.


Yeah right now that last week and since then it's like I'm grabbing those first you know those years for those first.


Those are, those are really good. I found uh actually got two of those um in April. So that was like uh you know I mean two hours for $120. It's kind of hard to beat that. Yeah. Yeah. Those are so good.


Yeah those were hard.


Only uh to there's uh two sites that can have really really good jobs but it can be pretty hard to like it's it's very sporadic.


Oh wow.


Um Have you tried going on to respondent?


Right. I've heard of them. I have not there on my list of check them out but I haven't yet.


Yeah. They have gotten, I don't get a ton of work from them because you're only allowed to apply to three things per day.


Mm wow. Yeah. Uh huh.


Uh huh. And it's one of those things where you kind of like go in and you look through the list and you find something that you think might be fitting for you and then you do a screener for it and then if they want to use you will contact you. And it's a definitely like varied but I'd say it's kind of in line with user testing where you can make about, you know like I I had one that was like a one hour um phone interview and I think I got like $100 or 120 for that one.


Yeah. Yeah. Well that's really yeah.


Actually There was one that um that was like multi tiered where I had to basically like take my phone and go around and um record a few things in my house explaining like my um like a room set up and then I had to like go to a store and like sort of take some pictures in the store and record my experience of like what happened in the store and everything.


Mhm.


And overall the thing took maybe like three or four hours over the course of a week. But I ended up getting like $400 for it.


Mhm. All right.


So it's like you might not get something for a month or two at a time, but if you do get something it can be really, really good.


Oh it's worth waiting in the queue.


Yeah.


And people.


That burns test birds. I actually like they're very sporadic but there are very together and organized about it.


Yeah right? That's that's the one. Like I love the ones that have good uh good interfaces and are organized and you can actually like attack them if there's an issue.


Oh we are and it does shade into some stuff that's like, yeah, I actually tried survey junkie for a week and that was, you can spend years trying to like earn anything there and they're they're annoying.


And there's a lot of really sketchy ones that. Oh God. Yeah. Yeah.


Studies to I mean the prolific ones I enjoy.


Yeah. I think I think it was survey junkie that I did. One that was, it must have taken like, I don't know, 20, minutes to do. And then like at the end of it it suddenly like said, Oh you don't qualify for the survey and like that kind of stuff is.


What? Oh yeah. After three cents.


Yeah so uh and then I'm always seeing stuff about swag bucks and I tried that and that was terrible. That's just that was like I guess if you have a spare computer that you can just have dedicated off to the side to make a couple bucks a day doing that, that's fine.


Uh huh. Oh yeah.


But it seemed like really not worth it to me. Um.


Yeah. I've got an actually vibe from them too that Uh huh.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. It's basically like paying you to like see ads essentially like just to have like ads on your computer I guess. I don't know, it's it's just a it's just a mess and doesn't doesn't pay much and it's like a glitchy site and yeah, I just didn't like it. But um uh Another one that I really like that's kind of sporadic, but when you do get something it tends to be good is called Nevo, it's a it's N E.


Okay. That one I haven't heard of it all. Oh yeah.


V. O.


Uh huh.


And it deals with like ai stuff, so it's a little bit like mturk in that you do a whole bunch of small jobs that are just worth like a few cents apiece.


Yeah. Oh. Mhm.


But it's a lot more like focused in on a i stuff and there's like a lot less requesters and it's more, it's not where you go into their site and there's a big list of stuff that you look through its where after you fill out your profile, If there is something available that fits you, they'll message you and say, Hey, you want to try this out and then you take like basically a screen or test to, you read the instructions and see if it's something you're interested in.


Oh.


And then they'll usually have like a test where you have to do like 10 of the jobs just to show that you understand the instructions.


Mhm.


And then after that point, then it's essentially like it becomes open to you and you can just do it as long as the job exists until they run out.


Yeah.


And then at some point after the job runs out, then they'll, they'll pay you for the work you did for it and they're pretty fun.


Oh yeah.


Like it's a really sleek interface that works really well. And just last month I made Almost $200 with them. So that's just a thing.


Without that's how I feel with test birds, it's like I won't sit around waiting because there's not that much.


That's one ones on the side, like I don't use it all the time. But when I get a message that's like, Hey, we've got stuff available, then usually I'll drop everything else and go to that for a while because it's really good. Yeah.


one thing does come up.


Okay.


I've had surprisingly good luck with one called in tele zoom.


Oh I've heard of that one too.


Yeah payout for sort of lois but they're quick.


I mean none of them take more than five or 10 minutes.


Okay. Yeah.


It's like five. It's usually it's like two day dollars usually five or eight. Right?


Oh, that's cool. So the other one you said, did you say test birds?


Uh Huh. It's a German one and I've only done like A few.


Okay. I've never heard of that.


I mean it's like one a month or or less but they were the first one I did when I was trying to just learn more about this without doing tests and Oh yeah.


Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah. There's a there's like a really really simple one that's not really worth much money, but it's a great thing just for, it's one, it's the kind that I have where I check it every day and I usually like do a couple little things for it every day.


And then um you get um amazon gift cards from them and I usually get maybe like 20 to $25 a month amazon gift cards from them uh called crowd cap tapped yet.


My hands. Mhm correct. Okay. I think I've heard proud pack pc. What is it?


T ap crowd tap.


I think I've heard them mention too.


They're they're really good because um like I said, there's, there's not a whole lot available with them, but usually there's a few things you can do each day. And it's uh, it's like a point system where every 1000 points that you get, you can redeem for a $5 amazon card, So get on every day and look, and it will usually take me five or 10 minutes to go through and do whatever is available at the time.


Uh huh. Yeah.


Then I might come back and check like two or three times during the day.


Uh Right.


And it's all, there's no like screening stuff or anything like that. It's just literally like, it'll pop up all the little things that are available to you and how many points they're worth and you go through and you do them all until you clear them all out, and then, and then just launched with something else.


Oh so full.


And so that hardly takes any time. And it's just kind of like a little bit of a little bit of bonus money each month. So I like that.


Yes. Always upset on my list if I know that there's not a screener because then I know if I do it, I've done it.


Yeah. Yeah it's a it's a really simple format if they just have like little um little squares on your screen for each thing and you can also do on your phone and then up in the corner it has your point total.


Mm.


And then as you peach one it just adds to your point total. And then whenever you reached 1000 you just hit redeem and go in and do it. They I think they do more than just amazon amazon, just what I always do because um because that's the thing I would would get the most used out of but I think they've got gift cards for a bunch of different places. But yeah that one's a nice Just hey I got this extra $20 this month.


But what? Yeah.


That was, that was easy and okay, okay, that's yeah, you test.


Yeah I did one for you test for the first time, I've been doing Screeners them for a while and it was a test on a delivery app well and funds was like they had to place an order and they refunded you for like convenience for type stuff for the order and you know a little bit more. Well I have done an awful lot of screeners for them that have gone nowhere but none of them are long, they're pretty short.


Yeah. Yeah. This is uh like uh interesting um world of, because there's so many sites and there's so many, like I've done so much, like when I was first getting into it, I did so much research and there's so many different lists of, like these are the best places and this place can be trusted in this place can't.


Yeah. Yeah.


This place used to be good, but it's not good anymore and on and on and on and, and so it's been kind of fun sort of whittling it actually work.


Far. Yeah I followed up on right at a few times. Mhm.


Yeah.


But it has a bunch of lists down in there, that's where I keep my searches, keep leading me a lot of the time.


Yeah. And that's pretty convenient.


Uh huh.


That happened to get a like face to face conversation uh prolific test that leads to being able to have a conversation about other site.


No I think that it goes faster and it you know it's actually useful at all about well the girl.


Haven't tried yet. Yeah, I know like, like this conversation could actually become like profitable in the long run.


Yeah. Uh there's a you know I'm definitely yeah I'm definitely gonna check me bo abundant up on my list.


Really nice. Yeah. Yeah. But you said that you're uh you're a freelance writer, like what you are there?


Mhm.


Like, is that something that you've gotten into um that you have like certain sites that you do it on or is it something that you do? Like in a different realm from these kinds of sites?


Mostly in a different realm of, I did dip into content writing because they were non verbal leo in places like that.


The work was interesting with the amount of time prepare. I mean, I just couldn't write fast enough to make that that kind of profitable, but I actually write young adult fiction and child these books and things like that and I've also done some articles and some yeah, a little bit of everything, you know, it's a very up and down sort of field, so thinking about like what else can I be doing at the same time, my heart.


Yeah. But yeah, that's Yeah. Right. Yeah. I've always wanted to like, I've always liked writing and I wanted to get into more like making money off of writing, but I've never quite figured out like what, what way to go or where to where to try and like I tried doing some stuff on, it was like caught up work where you can apply to do different jobs and it's like a pretty intensive application process, like people can post jobs and then you have to actually like uh maybe like submit samples of writing or or right, a big like you know things sort of like selling yourself kind of stuff and and I tried doing a few things on there and it ended up feeling like I was spending like way too much time just like applying for things that I never heard back from and mm Yeah.


What about? Uh huh. That's the thing about those. Yeah, I mean it's interesting but you have to like the fiction and articles, you know, I've done the whole, you know, Pitch one Agent and you know, celebrates kind of a whole different process but it's also a lot less predictable long term.


So it's not like yeah like you find your place and then you're there Oh so it's sort of yeah it's sort of like a I think of that as my main thing but it's not always the main money making thing, although sometimes it is some work husband, oh yeah, something else it has.


Right. Right. It's like, it's like the thing that you you want to do the most, but always the thing that pays the bills.


But other years, you know fiction is you know, not a yeah it is a very up and down downfield shark.


Yeah. Right.


Okay, it's confirmed.


Have you, do you like the uh like the young adult fiction and stuff that you write, has any other been published or do you have any series or anything like that?


I love it. It has I have a series I'm now putting it back in that was published by Random House, you know about a decade and stayed in print for a long time now that it's out of print, I'm putting in fact on you know, bringing it back into it myself.


Okay. Yeah.


But yeah, I've had four books with Random House and long time ago through with scholastic And then one publisher called Holiday House.


Oh wow. That's really yeah.


That's like an educational market publisher. Yeah. I don't think that's to identify ourselves because I think that ruins the survey for for the banana.


Well.


The app totally like doing my usual.


Oh yeah. Yeah.


Here's my yeah, because I was totally gonna I four I don't but I don't know if they're willing to put us in touch after it's done but I'm happy.


Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. I didn't even think of that. I just want to ask if it was like, oh yeah, that might break the rules. That sucks young adult fairy would set in Iceland.


But yeah, I have some very books and some dark fairy books and a young adults. It in Iceland that might actually be findable based on that. Yeah. Well the fairy books are separated from the Iceland book but very books and books that in Iceland figure it out, you know?


Oh, it's different. Okay. Might be able to. Yeah. And I actually uh um I really like um uh fantasy and dark, like dark fantasy and stuff like that. So dark books and stuff like that be probably right down my alley.


Yeah. Cool, cool. Yeah.


That's really cool. Yeah, I'll have to. So yeah, if I if I find an author that has a series of books about dark ferries and a series of books that takes, does it take they take place in Iceland or are they actually about Iceland like Iceland?


Yeah. I guess. Yeah. I don't know what the rules are for what they need for the the study. But yeah, if you find me, they take place in Iceland.


And one of them is a four book series, 1 to 3 book series on the stand alone.


One of the three and one's a stand alone.


Okay. All right, that'll be fun. Be whenever one of the you know, whenever you're doing like this kind of work and you start getting bored and burned out and you're like, I need something else to do for a little bit.


Well yeah.


That'll be my something else to do for a little bit sad thing.


Really?


Mm Yeah.


Cool. Yeah.


Oh, wow. Did we ask? Holy crap if we already happened?


Yes. We told our we're actually right about yeah.


Wow.


Actually once we got to talking about survey sites that kind of we're talking about about part of the country to find too.


Yeah, I got all excited like places.


But yeah, I'm curious what, I'll be curious what they are using it. You know what they're actually measuring, right?


Yeah, I know like, because I was thinking it might have something to do with, um, because there's going to be the questions afterwards. My prediction is that are going to be questions about being an isolation and how you felt before the conversation and how you felt after to find out if there's like, uh, kind of rude enhancing thing.


Right? Everything after the beginning.


Like did it make you feel better to connect with somebody or?


Uh That's my goal.


Right Yeah.


I mean there could be some what was your impression at the star? What was your impression at the end type of stuff for?


Right.


Alright. I realized I took a look so that I actually remember what you look like in case it's a study about.


Yeah. Uh like a picture, like 15 people on the screen would be like talking to.


Yeah. Right. A good one. Can you recognize this?


Yeah.


Well, I guess we'll yeah, both find out what I think you're probably right though. It about isolation and connect ignorant.


Yeah. I feel like 75% of the jobs I've gotten over the last two months have been about COVID or about social isolation or something like that. It's like, it's like um the amount of like regular work has kind of gone down because of a lot of like universities and marketing companies and stuff not putting as much money into it.


Right? That means.


But then at the same time there's been like this huge surge of surveys that have to do with current events and three.


Uh huh. A lot of a okay.


Even if that asked me when I last took a survey about COVID-19.


Yeah. Yeah. I had one that was like, how many surveys about COVID, 19 have you taken so far? And I was like, I have no idea. At least 100.


Yeah. Oh, Oh yeah.


It's been mostly all I've been doing or something completely unrelated.


I think with a few other things but mostly Yeah.


And then like at the very end I'll just tag a couple questions about it on.


Uh Yeah, totally.


Yeah. Yeah.


Well I guess we'll find out what their questions are, you know?


Yeah. Yeah. We get closer predictions where see if we free speech.


Yeah, this is pretty funny.


Yeah.


But or oh we're gonna have a couple of new sites to check out too.


I know. I really enjoyed it. And now I've got I've got a mystery to solve and I've got four new uh for new sites to check out. So really productive call.


So who called and I looked up on my list maybe to get I just got accepted.


Oh yeah. Well, good with. Yeah.


I haven't started combing through the site yet. So I might be a thing her this week.


For what?


That might be a thing for this week.


Oh yeah.


One of to do this.


Yeah. Oh yeah.


He was there.


Well, thanks for chatting.


Yeah. You too. It was nice to anonymously meet you.


Yeah. Well honestly fun watching these afterwards.


Yeah. All right. They were like, we spent the whole thing.


I report. Yeah.


I'm talking about how to make money on other sites.


Because you didn't give us any guidelines. So so we did.


Yeah. Talk about whatever you want. So yeah, it is.


We'll take care of it.


Talk about look, yeah, went from weather, uh money making sites to um um the mystery of of what books you've written to uh trying to predict what the experiments about.


Good sort of new sarah. Well, wow. They will find them or they want us, I guess we can close the window.


So enjoy that people.


And then so after.


Yeah, I think they had some instructions on the site.


Yes.


I'm going to go read that if if end up clicking off figuring this out.


Yeah. Oh yeah.


It's nice.


The technical, the technical quality of the chat.


Top again.


So I think it's okay to look like they assume we're done.


Oh yeah. Yeah, I think so. See. Yeah. Yeah.


Oh, oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hello?


All right. Can you hear me?


Yeah. Can you hear me? I don't have headphones on.


Actually? We get, yeah, I'm Julia, wow.


Yeah, I'm julie. Yeah.


Okay.


Remember? Yeah.


Um, yeah. And so I am a recent college graduate. Um, It, I went to UNC Chapel Hill.


Oh, where did you go to school? Okay.


Yeah. Go hell.


Yeah. Some north Carolina.


Yeah.


From Kerry born and raised there.


Okay. Hey?


Um, Yeah. Actually my parents house right now.


My old race bids from high school are still up in the wall.


Oh, barely see them up. I can see the bottoms of the numbers race.


Yes, I did.


Cross country.


I don't anymore. These are old. But yeah, I did a cross country and then I did track in the spring usually, but not so much anymore.


Gotcha. Yes. No, no easel.


Yeah. I was over it.


Wow, fine.


Right.


So I'm in Minnesota.


Nice.


Oh, very different from north Carolina and yes, I mean even though it's 50 here, which is like a big deal and I, um, and I am way out of college.


Uh huh. Oh yeah.


I'm actually fifties wearing with an end of the spectrum.


Uh huh.


What else can I tell you? I have two dogs. So if your snoring, it's not me. It's my dog.


Yeah, I see the little burn behind you.


Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah.


Yeah, tracking.


That's, so we have pictures of 32 dogs that passed away and then that one's empty because we never got a picture of the other two. But, so they are Zonta right now.


Okay.


Yeah. So they both have cancer. So we're kind of fighting through that. The one um got her leg amputated about five months ago and she's kicking butt so I cried so much before we had to do it and then like I was just freaked out about like how we're going to teach her everything and she just like figured it out on her own, like it was before we were ready and I was like oh my gosh!


Excellent. Smart girl. Yeah.


All right, you guys what?


Uh huh. Alright. Good for her.


Yeah, it's been an experience.


Yeah, That's a fun time. Um, I've got, there's two dogs downstairs as well.


Yeah, Humphrey, wow.


Um, yeah, one of them is actually, his name is Astro and he's five now, but practically five years ago. We fostered his pregnant mom who then had 15 puppies. And yeah, we, we kept them for seven or eight weeks and then they all went out to their forever homes.


No.


But then Astro came back about a year later because whoever had him, I couldn't keep them, they were moving somewhere that didn't allow dogs just bad, but then we got him back.


What?


So ask you um her foster or her adoptive parents got a genetic test and I think they said she was like a like large part cattle dog.


What kind of dog was that? They had so many puppies I've never heard of. Okay, okay.


So yeah, they have a lot of puppies I think frequently.


Yeah, we are. Is this Catahoula leopard dog which is kind of not like hurting type.


Mhm. Yeah, it was incredible.


And they're both pitbull mixes but I can't believe 15 puppies. That's crazy. So they were at your how you were fostering one. Did you know she was pregnant?


Yeah. Yeah, we did, yeah, we we knew coming in we had her only like two weeks before she gave birth.


Okay, wow way had other dogs before that.


So yeah, it was kind of like no our first and only, I don't know why my parents were thinking, but it was a good time.


That's kind of new. Yeah. What an experience that So uh Nice.


Yeah, I was I was super fun, there's a lot of work but unfortunately it was over the summer so um I was home and I was able to help out which is good.


Always better than when it's a little chillier out and you have to hang up.


Yeah.


We've always gotten our dogs when it's been chilly. Which I'm always like, what what are we thinking? Because it's no where then you have to train them to go outside.


Our youngest dog. The girl dog, she's from Tennessee.


Mhm.


And we've only had, she's seven what? We've had her three years and the first time I dropped a little 40 degrees, she was like, nope.


Right.


Not going to like for 40 days. We could not get her to go outside. She held it so long. Were like, you have to go outside but not anymore.


Oh no. Yeah.


You're not a cat like go do your.


Okay.


Uh huh.


That's what he does.


Can be really really finicky like that.


Yeah. They're so quirky. Which is what I love about them.


Yeah. Yeah.


So um Disaster have a lot of energy. Still isn't so good.


Yes.


Popular.


Yeah. He's crazy. You think he's two years old still?


Yeah.


But yeah.


Isn't that funny? We have another dog is 14 and still is like, well he's got cancer and he's um, He was only supposed to live five months and it's been 10 months now.


Mhm.


But I think he knows because he's just like a puppy right now. Like he's just start eating out of the garbage, which he's never done before.


Right.


That we've had to put like baby proof locks on everything because he's lost his mind.


Good. Yeah.


And I think he just knows that like time. So I'm gonna do whatever I want and you can't do anything. So.


He's having a good time.


Yes. Yes. He's getting we want, you know, of course we want him as long as we can so we will just like bear everything that to get into.


That's good. Mhm.


But like, oh dog, you're driving us crazy.


So for sun.


Yeah and I know that feeling. It's funny how how they like once I get all of you sometimes you can really tell it's like they're running around like yourself puppies.


Yeah, yeah older. The first dog we had rebel which fit him like perfectly. Like even in his oldest age he could barely walk but if he'd get out of the gate somehow he just slow truck down the street like he was making a break for it was like, dude we're going to catch you in like two weeks.


Mhm. That's cute.


He was, he was like, you know what exactly, just getting into trouble.


Mhm. Okay. I'll keep drying anyways. Yeah.


Some um, as an adult, Yes dogs only as a child we had a cat that ran away.


Thank you. Are you dogs only person? You've got other pets and stuff?


Um, but I think I have an allergy to cats. I love people's cats but and then I also had rabbits as a kid.


You?


Those were like the only other things. How about I don't yes.


Yeah. Um I had my parents have had only dogs so when I was living with them um But in college the I shared a house with some of my my friends and we had a cat together. His name is franklin. He was very cute. Um I'm going to cast to but whatever. I just I just kept him out of my room and it was fine.


Mm Yeah.


Yeah. I love cat. You're so cute.


Yeah they're just so cozy and like you know very like relaxing and calming and not like dogs that are like you know getting Yeah exactly.


Mhm. Okay. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, franklin was he was a super cuddly cat. Do so anyone has done like couch and you walk on over and curl up on you?


Right. I love that we have actually, we have neighbors that have outdoor cats and they will come sit on our front step and want to be petted and stuff. But then when they see the dogs they freak out from what is to come in our backyard to like under the fence trip the light and then when the dogs see him they want to go home with them and I'm like no that's not and well mm Yeah what is this?


It's true. Mhm. Yeah. No, can't do that. Yeah. Thanks capsule like that very much. Yeah.


An indoor cat?


Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah.


He actually um right before hurricane came through, he actually escaped.


Um So he weathered the hurricane, we found him later.


He was in like our neighbor's shed so at least he had shelter and he was fine.


Oh. Mhm.


But so these are scary.


Uh huh. Yeah I don't know how people do it with the outdoor cats. Like I would worry every single second I see it on like the next door up all the time where people have their cats have gone missing.


I'm like oh my gosh like I'm starting for you.


Like how can you not be stressed about this outdoor?


Yeah. Right.


No.


I don't understand like how do they have, how do they get them to not just run away?


Mhm. That's what I don't get either. But um and my the lady that does my hair said she was trying to train her cat to not be an outdoor cat and they had to like throw like um like pots and pans on the floor by the door to like scare it.


Mhm. Mhm.


And I was like, well that seems traumatic to like, I think I want to get away from that.


So I don't know like if some are just like predisposed to being outdoor cats.


How do you find out? Just like let him out and see what happens?


What? Yeah, we're clean.


I don't understand like I've seen like people, their dogs just kind of like sit there on in the front yard not fencing.


Well yeah.


I just I just don't understand I guess I guess in the past when dogs have escaped every some there's one dog that I used to have when I was a kid, she would just sit on the front porch until we realized she was missing and then let her back in the house.


Funny.


But yeah. So I don't know. I say do it on their own. I don't know.


Yeah. I don't I mean I don't even trust our dogs to go from like the car to the house because Like we have deer in our yard and like the cats and stuff that they just lose their minds, especially this time of year where I'm like, no it's like two ft but they still are like, you know, dog brain?


Mhm.


They never happened.


Yeah.


So it's not have them on their own.


They hear a stick brick and then there are enough to the races. Yeah.


For sure.


Yeah. We have um are we have like a greenway like a past thing kind of behind our back yard, like a little outlet next to it.


Yeah. Yeah.


So the greenery is on two sides for backyard. Um And our dogs love barking at everyone on the greenway.


For donald Oh yeah.


Yeah. So I'm sure if they were to get out there and have a great time and that's where we take them on walks and stuff too so.


You did die with them to get that energy out of them that wanting to bargain tough.


Yeah. We have, so I have woods in our backyard and so there's deer that come back there. Um So they will go out and market that, especially in the fall now that it's like hunting season, like twice this past summer, the deer actually jumped over our four ft fence and was like standing in our backyard.


I'm like, oh my gosh, like what, you know what is going on and what if the dogs are out there? Like how we're gonna keep that from happening again? It's still, we've ever seen that before.


Yeah. Well that's crazy. Yeah I think we used to have a couple of years in our backyard but it's been years there is kind of more developed now.


Yeah. Oh gotcha.


It's like a suburb type.


Pretty old. Like you know like 70, you know, homes built in the 70s?


Mhm.


We're still too. I mean they actually have people that come in hired by the city to like reduce the number of deer because they're so in there.


Really?


Which is kind of sad because I'm like just drive slower.


Yeah.


Not that bad. Oh yeah.


I say that you're are you like we're in are you like pretty close to the city or you kind of the kind of world?


I live in Eden Prairie which is like Probably like 15 minutes outside of Minneapolis 15, 20 minutes West.


Yeah. Okay.


Yeah. So it's not bad. But yeah.


Yeah pretty close to a bunch of cars and stuff. It's kind of weird that there's still a bunch of deer then.


Yeah. It is it's very weird and there's like coyote that like show up and then they just found like a cougar.


Oh.


Yeah. I go like £140 Cougar I think it was like not too far away and which is like they every time there's been like a cougar sighting there like no it wasn't.


Uh huh. Hey.


It was like some other big cat but like they confirmed by um the Department of Natural Resources that it was actually cooler than that is because it's like I let the dogs just roam during the day, you know when I'm at home and just never know what's gonna creep.


Yeah well thanks, let's drink 140 lb.


I don't know how big I expected the cooker to be but it wasn't that make.


Remember exactly the pause on it though they showed the picture was like enormous, where I was like it's as big as my dogs had.


Yeah please. He said you get other kinds of big cats though more often. That's not normally I think.


Oh um no normally northern Minnesota. Um And so this I think I don't think they normally have Cougars as far south baby or maybe they come up anyways, we don't usually have them like in the cities and they have had sightings.


All right. Yeah.


People will say oh my trail cam picked up I think it's a cougar and then you know it will be like, no that wasn't a cougar was like some other big cat or like just just.


Uh huh. Yeah. Oh yeah. Another critter.


Yeah.


That's kind of crazy. We get like I get coyotes and foxes.


Yeah. Oh yeah.


We actually had a I think someone's up there over the summer which was kind of wild honestly.


Mhm.