So you do have school outreach or you were doing it? Yeah, that's really fun. Mhm.


Yeah. So we're trying to, I guess get the kids interested in science as early as possible and I guess often that along the way and hopefully we had a new generation of scientists from these guys.


Yeah. Yes, that's good.


I'm finding a lot of fun.


That's how you get it done. Yeah.


So you don't, you don't run any class with yourself.


No, I don't, I usually I do the like the office management type thing, so I see everybody agree everyone as they come in the door and stuff like that.


Yeah.


So I see everyone and then I peek my head in and watch people, but I don't actually teach any of the classes.


So.


Mhm.


So is it run like five days a week?


Yeah. Yeah, it's one I think we're open on weekends too, so yeah, most days I think just not Sundays and we're not open the whole day most of the days, but it's just whenever there are like most of the classes are like Maybe from 10 to tend to like noon, Then there's like a lunch break and they come back for classes in the, there's some more classes in the evening, so yeah, after, so you give people time to have dinner, have lunch to have dinner and go home and stuff, so Uh huh.


Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, mm. Yeah. What kind of shows have you run? You mentioned like you would run some broadway shows?


Right. Um let's see this year. Well, they were supposed to be doing uh anne for kids, honk the musical, which I don't think I've actually, I don't think I actually know what that was about.


Mhm. Yeah.


I think it's kind of an ugly duckling story.


Okay.


And then um what was the other 1?


The, the teenagers were doing something called You're in town, which I also haven't seen, so, but it would have been interesting.


Okay. What? Okay. Mhm.


I looked at the script, so.


Yeah, I'm a bit of a broadway pass.


I love um I saw wicked and then I just fell in love with it and then uh fast they offered it's a, it's a good point to see if your first one is very engaging.


Oh, really? Yeah, me too. Ah yes, that's his name for me. I saw Wicked is the first, probably the first Broadway one that I saw as well. Yes.


It's got that little bit of also it's kind of reminiscent and again, Yeah, yeah, yeah.


Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so you kind of know and then it like does twists and turns on you. Yeah, I love that one and I still listen to my like broadway soundtracks, playlists and stuff but and I was supposed to see Hamilton this month but of course that got postponed.


Oh, wow. Yeah I don't know if you heard but they kind of go a um completely yeah I'm very excited for that um technically yes well one of my friends got a bootleg copy of it taking but there's something different about seeing a the first and then just atmosphere but I don't think you can really be counted it yet but I think I'm dying to see, I'm hoping to get to new york to see as fans of the opera.


So yes, I saw, yes, they were supposed to be next year but they were releasing it early, that's good luck at least. Have you seen it? Mhm, technically. Okay. I see. Yeah, yeah, I see what you mean, technically, yeah. In person yeah, mm Yeah. Ooh, that's probably a really good one, I haven't seen that one, I've only seen the movie.


Uh huh I've seen the I'm not the movie doesn't count Gerard Butler absolutely which is that role I can't wait to make a trip to new york and actually see um see your light and person.


Uh huh I know yeah. Mhm Yeah, yeah, wow, there's so many that I want to see in person.


Yeah yeah mm No I haven't.


Did you see the Sound HeIM concert that was like two weeks ago or something? It was a tribute to Sound Time. It's like a live stream. Let's see. I think it's, it should still be available on Youtube. Just look up um celebration of Sound Time and it's like a bunch of broadway stars doing like just singing from their house is kind of, it was fun.


Okay music, yep. Uh huh all that yes yeah.


I put it on in the background while I was doing other work and like would look up for you know favorite people but it was all, all of them are good of course because they're professionals but yeah.


Mhm mhm. Yeah a lot of a lot of the people are trying to engage in different ways now that the actual theaters can be open the photograph for.


Uh huh. Yeah.


Andrew Lloyd Webber has a Youtube channel now called the Show Must Go On and each week they do a Lloyd Weber's musical so they've done like phantom um Love Never Died, jesus christ superstar so that that's another one to keep an eye out for.


Oh okay. Mhm mm. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, good tip. This has been productive. We exchanged theater here.


Yeah. Mhm.


Thanks to look up on the internet.


Yeah, one of the big reasons why I came to America, it's too good to like engage in some of these theaters.


Yeah. Oh really?


Uh huh the theater culture in Australia is not that great.


That's okay, that's good.


Like we would have like 11 Broadway musical musical like every couple months.


Yeah, yep.


Well there's always musical is going on around here. Yeah.


And even you know and set up in different cities, even if it's not broadway broadway, you still get like, you know, local people or the touring group coming to different cities.


Yeah, no one of them's I hate the cold.


Would you move to new york for the broadway? Yeah, that is, that's true.


One of the better things like California is the weather.


Yeah, we get were mostly warm here in Georgia, but we sometimes get the occasional like low snow, but I could never do where it snows like multiple months in a row and you're snowed in and you just have to keep going to work.


Mhm. Yeah. Yes. Mhm.


I don't think I could do that.


Yeah, so when I was considering job was often either job here, but I also had a job offer in Canada.


Yeah.


The first thing I did was I look at the weather and they're like it's like Cold like 10, 9 10 months of the year, I'm like no.


Yeah, mm hmm. No. Yeah, it's important.


Mhm. Yeah.


You have to, it's like a completely different mindset of lifestyle where you have to get used to, you know, going to work while it's snowing on the ground.


You have to like have snow tires and know how to get your, your car out of the snow or whatever. I don't know, It's a whole different, I feel like they have a whole different brain almost to deal with snow that much.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They give me long wrong, I love the idea of snow, but I think I get over it in like a day, I'll be like it would be nice and then I'll be like okay I'm ready for the sun again.


Yeah exactly. It's nice to nice to like visit places and then like I'll leave.


No, it doesn't snow that.


I mean not really we mostly we get like if it doesn't know sometimes it doesn't like stick on the grounds or it's like only a couple inches were more likely to get ice storms, which is the not fun version of cold weather.


Yeah. Mhm mm.


It just weighs down the trees and then they, you know, might fall on your house. So I do think yeah northern California and you know um Washington.


Oh wow. Yeah.


I've only I've been to northern California and Washington.


Both of those I think have really lovely weather um and no storms which is I'm jealous of.


So I might consider I was thinking about if I moved anywhere in the country it might be the pacific Northwest just because they have nice weather and no storms.


Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yes.


Yeah. Okay.


Mhm. Yeah. Mhm.


Everyone.


Mhm.


Yeah. Okay. I think we're good on time. But remind me of the thing then you um, it was Andrew Lloyd Webber called the show.


Yeah. Uh Could the show must go on?


Must Go on. Ok.


Yeah, I think you check you.


Yeah. I'm going to look that up. And yours is the Sound Time. A celebration of Sound time.


Yeah actually look that up.


Yeah. Yeah.


Okay, so it was nice to meet you.


Nice talking to you.


Likewise you too.


Take care. Bye.


Absolutely yeah. Get over here. Okay thank you. Mhm. What is the matter of Islam? He was over? Okay. Yeah. It's crazy. Uh Really? You don't really know? Mhm. Okay. No so That's very $15.


Hey? What's going on, man? Trying to get this money? Oh, I'm just here. So I don't get fined going on, man.


I don't even know what the hell is supposed to talk about.


Mhm. I don't know. We don't have to talk at all.


You hear it?


I'm just watching tv.


You ain't never lie there.


Uh huh yep.


Yeah, Yeah. 25 minutes on this. Damn. Cut down. An hour and overtime protection.


I know that would make money if I work overtime if they offered it, but they don't offer.


Uh see my spot gets over time so shit.


Mhm.


I can't get over time at home in my bed though. So Here we are getting this 15 things like conversion.


That's right, yeah. Oh that's right.


I don't know what the hell you at, but uh huh ah, nice.


I'm in florida.


Nice Delaware.


What about you? Oh damn.


Right now.


Yeah.


Keep in florida. I go to Tampa all the time.


Okay.


Yeah, no man up here. I am tired of shit too.


What time is it over there?


We understand. We're on the east coast.


Okay. Okay. Okay.


I, I just washed the american public schools.


Don't know my geography.


No, I was just at work all day. Do overtime today actually. So anything popped up, it was like, hey, you got this video chat, all that shit.


It's my first time doing one of these.


Oh yeah, I almost has been like 12 cents like.


All right, Sure. I like coke, Whatever. Uh This came to I was like, all right Michelle.


What how long have you been doing? The prolific thing?


Uh november.


Okay. I started like middle of october yeah, I'm I'm by like 100 right now, nope.


Yeah, I mean, I ain't gonna lie. I got like 85 off of it. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm not mess. So that one heart up for 15. I was like CMS.


Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah, I didn't I didn't do shit in november, but like december.


I don't make any money. I made very little money in december though like I don't know. Thanks for not popping up.


Um I put the extension at work too. That's where I work.


Uh huh.


I was like, oh that pops up. I was like, hey, I'll be back y'all.


Uh That's good.


But right.


That's good.


They come in. She just fucking around watching netflix. So um survey junkies.


Yeah. You do any other survey sites? Okay. Are they good?


So I just started that one last week, right?


Okay.


All the surveys seem to be all right, but they take a minute to do Like, like 15 and 20 and 25. I don't have it.


Oh man.


Yeah. Although a little extra bear money or whatever.


Uh No, I want to do those focus groups.


eight The cellphone trip. I've done worse for less. Yeah. Mhm.


Like no, I want to, I signed up, but no one ever chose me.


You did a focus group. Uh Seven responded.


Looks like a site called respondent, something like that.


Never heard of that one.


Yeah.


No. I try to do the whole transcription thing for a minute there.


Uh Sound quarrying man. Like you, you have to like you listen and then you type uh no.


Oh no. Yeah you just you just type, yeah but you gotta rewind it because half the time. Mhm. It sounds bad. You have to take um you had to take like a test first and nobody gets that test right Like 10 15% before you can even do it.


Uh huh True.


And then you get like the really awful ones at first. Then it gets better. So I mean one of my friends does it and she gets like 200 a week off of it. Yeah she just doesn't like 40 hours at home.


Uh huh Because I looked into it and they said like they reject a lot of like stop.


Wait. Oh she's a transcriptionist like she does for work work.


Okay.


So she was just like yeah whatever I do it, I got turned down for it and it's like you can apply in 45 days.


Oh no.


I don't care that much. You guys.


Yeah. Shit.


What is it that you do? Like what's your main job?


Oh I'm analyst.


Okay, analyze, what do you analyze?


Yeah surveys, surveys where respondents.


Yeah for like schools. So uh do comparisons and standard deviation Seeing, you know if they suck or not, people buy my survey reports.


No. And then Okay.


I don't I don't get what they pay for them. Okay people schools pay like Anywhere from 2015004. I don't get that. But that's what the great form so there it worse, it's a way to semi is my degree I guess counts.


Uh Oh accounting degree.


Mhm. Oh shit. No mathematics.


Okay. Okay.


Yeah no I was I was really bad at accounting.


Yeah. No, like I was good at math in high school and then I started accounting and that shit was hard man.


Yeah. We'll see. Accounting has shit to do with math.


Well, yeah.


It's like all organizations organized.


Yeah, no.


Uh huh. Ma nah. Um Yeah math and logistics. It's what I got a good reason so I was about to be a teacher and being an extra takes way too long so.


Yeah, because I'm looking into thinking about doing actuary stuff because I heard they get paid.


Oh actuaries get paid out the ass like entry level.


Yeah.


They're like 82.


Damn that's that's twice as much as what I make man.


Yeah. Well 082. Oh yeah it's double me.


Yeah that's why we're on this site.


Yeah facts. You're not seeing any millionaires at this by uh like but have you taken any of the tests?


Yeah. No and it's been so long wow shit.


Yeah. I figure for real if you don't start trying to be an actuary by 30 just give up. It's 10 tests. Um it's 10 years to get like to fellowship.


Mhm.


Um I took the first two tests and like Oh you have to pay like $160 attest to. So like if you fell it you have to pay $150 again you don't have to do a math degree to do it.


Like you just do it. You do a math or economics or. All right. Um Business analytics. If you do that then you'll get paid too. Like I'm getting I'm getting my second bachelor's and that because they get paid, they paid sore.


Okay.


Nobody didn't.


I don't think so. Business business would in his in this analytics.


Adam was business um analytics or big data analytics is what a couple of schools call it too.


All right can you do it online and get the degree online or you got to go to school?


And there's only like 13 schools in the country that do it and there's like two in florida to do it because I was gonna move down there with my home people like I said I got friends in Tampa so down all the time. I keep trying to get me to move down there florida. Yeah. Yeah. Was that? I am. It's 2020 at this point.


Yeah.


I imagine getting degree online right?


Yeah that's true.


I mean I got um I got my logistical mostly online. Like my last two semesters was online.


I I don't think you want to do an online college or anything like that like you don't want to do like the variety university or any shit.


No no no no no not like the actual university like.


But but if your school yeah if your school has school then you're good to go so yeah don't don't do that.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


I work in student those boys.


No I don't know.


Uh huh.


Uh Yeah I'm in Miami yeah.


Yeah I was like I can't do anything about degree like you got it from a place that was behind the subway like nothing you can do at this point. Yeah. Yeah. What are you like far south florida? Are you like oh you said but you from from Miami?


Yeah I'm like just north of Miami Hollywood Hollywood florida.


Uh Oh okay. Yeah like one of my friends at the station with was in Liberty City like that's where he was from so.


Yeah. Oh that's legit then so you don't really do cold or anything like that?


Yeah you know.


Huh?


No it got like what?


Yeah.


Mhm. High sixties the other day and shit. Where's my jacket?


Yeah real talk.


Where is everything?


I was I was down there um and I went to Tampa hard rock Or whatever the casino is home remember? Um but it was like last December and it went the like 61. They were tripping.


That's cold man?


I was like look I was like when I fly back because I fly into philadelphia when I come back home, when I fly back it is right now negative two degrees. My jean like you are tripping out here but I get it.


Oh yeah. Uh huh. Uh Mhm.


Yeah I mean I was stationed I was stationed in Vegas and I was stationed in California so you get acclimated to that. Yeah 60 will be cold to you real fast on it so but I had an ex girlfriend in Minnesota too and like 40 would be real warm to them like it'll hit summer for like 2.5 months and then 0 -20 day out there in the hot tub. Okay.


No man. Forget that work.


I was like you know we're the tropical people. I'm not doing any of that shit right there. No. Yeah.


Way back to the actuary thing.


Uh huh.


He said like it took two tests for actuary or something.


Yeah. I took two, there's 10 tests in total. Um um As long as you have your bachelor's.


Is that enough just to test? Is that enough to do the entry level thing?


Okay.


Yeah because that kind of shows them that you're like serious about it Because you know you've dropped 320 on some tests.


Yeah.


Their artists like it was probability and financial, financial something around there, it was P.


And F. M. So you know if you can do compound interest and if you can do like simple like combinatorics and all that, you know it's hard, right?


You should have done it in like 8th grade like that's how that Shit was. But I mean if you're gonna do it for real um Study on it for about six months, like just get refresher because like when when you're in that ecosystem then you know, you're doing those problems all the time.


I remember some of it. I just need a fresh reminder I guess. Yeah.


But if you haven't done it for a minute you got to get back into it.


Right. Right.


So yeah right Because when I when I went back to school to do this data analytics, I like Matthew is kind of my thing right? Like Aldo and capitalism like seventh grade.


Like no issues. Yeah. I was like, I don't remember how to do the rift. Like calculators do this for me now.


I don't remember any of this.


Uh But yeah, if you can do that, I don't know what the Miami outlook is on um actuaries because I imagine that's probably in high demand so their pay might be a little lower. Like if all the people.


I don't know what would love when my friend was but like he was making six figures yeah like for like some insurance company like shit.


Yeah. Oh that's what? Oh yeah I think I think 81 might be on low end.


Yeah I'll check whatever.


I'm just trying to get the 50.


Right?


I'm a simple dude.


Yeah I'm here looking at government jobs.


You know just get the 50.


I'm looking at their benefits like Dan get 50 I'll get a 50 year.


No if I get 50 I'm golden. Let's do this.


Yeah.


All right. Especially up here because it's really expensive up here so well right between them New york city and I mean all the major cities are with you know like D.


Oh true. Oh yeah that's right.


C. And new york city and Phillies right right there. I'm within two hours of that Baltimore. So all those big wheels are there?


How much is like a regular house to buy?


Mhm. Regular house. Um If you want to not be in like a shitty neighborhood quarter mil.


Okay. Yes. What the same here? Yeah to 50.


Yeah. Yeah I think I'm I don't know about Miami but no Tampa's Cost of living was 6% lower than where I'm at.


Yeah like north florida is a bit cheaper.


Yeah. So I hear Miami is one of the more expensive cities but you're fucking Miami so okay, okay, okay.


Yeah I'm a little North Miami so it's a little less expensive. I try to avoid Miami at all costs.


I hear the driving down there is kind of treacherous.


It's horrible man, that's why car insurances are so high, The car insurance is so high.


Uh huh. Was that real talk?


Like oh you live in lived in south florida or does dracula for insurance?


All right. So I moved out here from Indiana. Um, Indiana is a shit hole by the way. Never, never do it. Um, but I moved out here from Indiana and so let me go ahead and get this car insurance.


You know, we were a little $105 a month or whatever.


Yeah. Okay.


Nothing. Nothing. Crazy.


Yeah.


Full coverage, Nah man, 3 25 among I have no accidents, nothing.


Now. Oh right. No. Uh huh. Oh no.


I'm like, like my car was like nine years old.


What? Yes.


What are you doing to me right here? I was like, mm this is, but I live in by the worst neighborhoods up here though.


Right right. Well okay.


So maybe after or something. I live in a, I live in a neighborhood where people take surveys for extra money.


I was and this is where. Yeah.


That's, that's where I'm at, right?


Yeah. Yeah. Okay.


Oh, mm hmm.


It's well yes.


So I go to sleep where we at, what Was it was 20 minutes or 25 minutes I forgot.


What was the point? Well my counter says.


Oh, you got a car?


Yeah. Um because like when I clicked on the bun and open up to this where I'm interviewing you but then on the previous tab I have like at it 1830 Right now.


Yeah. Uh huh.


Uh huh. If you got that then you started a little after me.


Oh, Oh, there we go.


I don't know those are.


I got 17, 17 1/2.


Yeah, yep.


You cool, you cool people. There you go folks.


Yeah let me through uh like uh like a dress very lightly.


I ain't going. I was hoping to get a woman, but you know, I feel like let's see, let's see what kind of can we get out here?


What?


My luck's never like that though.


No.


My math classes, there was none. I was like, damn, can I get what?


From what? Like I have a buddy in California, he did computer programming and like where he's like there's no girls where he's at like shit.


Mhm. I had a teacher that was hot.


Oh one yeah.


I was like, what's really good But not this, There's none. Yeah. It's the only black person half the glass is, it's just like, hey, should you be playing basketball? Like I do that too.


Uh huh.


But I can also run these numbers now hey.


Yeah that are asian people, indian people.


Yeah yeah.


Yeah. No look I was on the map team in high school man. I know. I know I think I just I just wish I remember all that stuff because I should have studied statistics or something in college.


What are you doing jeremy man. Well I mean really talk you can probably just fake it at this point. You know I you see me right? I got numbers just hire right now.


Oh. Mhm I'll give you a discount, give me 50,000 man.


Yeah. Yeah I should be a no discount.


Yeah discount.


Come on get that discount man. I mean I also play sports but oh two got that.


Yeah. Uh huh.


He was funny too because they'll be like these little nerdy little little white dude petrified of me being in there anyway.


Yeah. Right. Pretty much what to cook.


Like you're cool. I don't want no parts of your little lunch money. You're all right man. Try to get this degree too. So uh huh But you know how they be sometimes man sure hey races but good.


Uh huh. Uh huh.


Oh I like chinese food.


Uh huh. Okay.


Fuck out talking to me.


Uh huh. Yeah. Sure. Okay.


My favorite rapper Snoop Dogg.


What? Uh Yeah that's my biggest fear of like moving like if I move towards north florida it becomes kind of redneck e or more country and north Korea is like I don't want to deal with that so Yeah that's true.


Like I'm I'm from the south so I know how that games play. Like I'm from Virginia. We got infected. Yeah. Oh they say that principle area. That little panhandle is just nothing to be played with. So Mhm. I don't know. I ain't real talk though. Either one of us. You're not going to really escape it that much unless you go coast. So where is it going to be less crazy at?


Yeah. Yeah.


Because California was legit. My double Cool.


Yeah alchemy is nice. It's expensive.


It is expensive as all hell.


Yeah.


One of my friends um he does software security out there. He makes like 200,000 and he is broke.


Mm. Yeah Like 200. That's no that's your lower class.


Yeah I'll make any sense.


You like He has a decent studio and he pays like 3500 for it. What you like? I'm thinking about getting roommates move man.


Uh huh. Yeah. Uh huh.


What's the point? What's the point?


Yeah. If I moved back home right now. What I'm making I'd probably be like the richest person in the county, right?


Uh huh.


Are you making 20 an hour? You're making good money. Word. Go to food line. Make my mind.


Oh what Yeah.


What do you do?


What?


You said you said you don't get overtime.


Yes I I I work from home. I'm a medical biller like I read medical charts and then I put like stuff for the insurances and yeah.


Okay. Okay. Yeah. I used to cook a little girl that did that and like she made decent money like and you're at home so you'll have to sweat like a commuter notion.


Yeah that's the only good part. Yeah I don't get a lot of vacation days or the benefits kind of suck.


Yeah. And uh benefits are good depending on what you get.


Yeah that's I want a government job. I heard the benefits are really good.


You know, looking those GS jobs. I don't know what civil service like down there. But yeah, I mean if you can get one For the same shit you're doing now, you can probably count like 150% increase in my pay.


Yeah I hope so.


Get have you taken the civil services and yet?


I don't even know what that is.


Uh go ahead and look online for your state man. Get on the civil services there uh down there.


Civil service.


They have to go in somewhere. If you could just take it online. But that'll put your foot in the door right there.


All right.


The only reason I haven't done it appears because dover, that's where the Air force bases up here and it's not close. It's like an hour away.


Uh huh.


I can walk to my job now in like 10 minutes. I'm good. So right. And they want to come up on to pay a little bit though.


Yeah.


I can be sold for 50 k. easy.


Yeah. Now look into that man. Look into that civil service.


I will look into that.


The business analytics or big data analytics looking good.


Oh dude, I'm saving money because as soon as I get this last degree, I'm a free agent, I am not tied to Delaware. I've only been here a few years. I like it here, you know, atlantic city's clothes and whether it's kind of temperate so I'm cool with it. But I will move.


This is my 14 state. I can do number 15 ever.


Yeah. And I've been in florida my whole life.


I mean, if you got to be somewhere your whole life, Miami.


It's not bad.


Mhm. Yeah. It's not like being like little rock your whole life or some shit.


So you in school now then 80 degrees.


Uh No I mean I want to I got to have an accounting degree. I have a respiratory therapy a degree and I got a medical coding degree.


Okay. Okay. Okay.


So I've been to too much school man because I don't know what I want. I'm 33 man. I don't know what I want to like.


I mean, you got a little bit of time left, like I'm 41.


So you got a little bit of time left, Ma just do it soon.


Yeah that's true. That's true.


Yeah. You don't want to be, you don't want to be in a spot where all your supervisors are younger than you chickens.


I know.


All real fast.


Mhm.


And now you get to go, man, you got plenty of time.


Yeah my friend just told me about that for like computer stuff or, yeah.


I would say. Have you tried any of the uh um, coursera courses? Okay. Get you a couple of significance. I think.


Yeah.


Um I think they started charging for access. I think it's $50 either a month or a year. But either way like if you can you know parlay that into some type of employment that gives you some money worth it.


Yeah it's all that matters. That's all that matters.


My my my credit hours are, It's like 219 a credit hour or something. Shit. So $50 a month spent on Uber eats.


That's nothing.


So we're good.


She say less. Yeah. I wonder what these questions are going to be about. Uh huh.


I don't know.


I'm kind of worried about that shit.


Okay, I'm at 26.


What's your time?


My mind.


All right. Yeah mm You too.


Yo good team man, you good folks. It would be easy.


All right you two later.


Uh huh.


Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Perfect. I Yeah, no, true. Mm. Okay. Yeah. All right. Okay. Mhm. Yeah, mm. Okay. That's right. Okay. Mhm. Thank you. Oh, good. Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Okay. Oh yeah. Uh huh. Okay. Mhm. Look at that time. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. That might be Oh, Mhm. I think yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Hello?


Hi. Uh I'm ordinarily mhm.


Hi. I think this is like my sixth time doing this and you're the first person to show up every other time.


Really? Oh my gosh, this is my fourth time.


I'm shocked of shark tank.


I only had one person not okay.


Mhm. Really? I don't know what my luck is or something. But anyway, what are you supposed to?


You talk about anything that you want, like it doesn't really matter because I've become yeah, it's crazy because it actually pays you every single time.


Yeah. Yeah, smoking awesome. I'm getting paid to do this. Okay. Right. Yeah. Really? Oh my God.


Yeah, I'm not here are so evil dan.


Like I seriously signed up. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm just like, I forget what I was gonna say, but I feel like every single time have signed up and then I get a time and then like nobody shows up. Like I would love to have a conversation with a stranger early. But Yes.


That's crazy. I don't know. It's like, oh no, I'm good.


Yeah.


I don't want money like what?


Yeah. Well, I get like, forgetting it.


Mm Uh huh Oh my gosh, I'm sorry, I'm muting this.


Like, I get that because like, a couple of times I didn't know to look at my um my messages on there and then like, you know, like, I noticed like a day later, it's like, oh, so I like was the No show once wise, but it's like, it's seriously like six times nobody's shown up and it's like, oh my God, frustrating. But but anyway, Okay.


Um Well yeah, that was my weight.


I wasn't sure if that was years of I've Yeah.


I was I was gonna say something for my brains like oh you're the first girl, like you're the first woman that I've gotten.


Yeah. So really?


It's all been moved. Men like or like older men were middle aged men or like yeah, it's never been a girl go interesting, wow.


What? That's that's super weird because like, I don't know. I imagine the type of person who does this is like young. Like, I don't know. Like not usually men because like, my aunt and my mom, my aunt and my mom do this.


No, it's family quick. See 60 years normal.


Yeah, exactly. That's so fucking weird.


Uh huh I'm from pennsylvania.


Well, anyway, where are you from? Or are you allowed to, are you allowed to say stuff like this?


I I live, you know what? Yeah, you can talk about.


Just like general, get to know you okay. I didn't know if there was like a privacy thing of like, don't disclose who you are or whatever. Okay. No, it just feel free to be like, no, okay.


Yeah. Yeah, it's okay. I don't mind. Yeah, but I'm from but you know what really is well I wouldn't need breaking now.


Kind of, Yeah, I haven't been in that region at all. But like, I have an idea, okay, I am living in Washington state currently, but I don't, this isn't my home.


Where do you live?


I'm supposed to be living in europe right now and here I am because of Covid.


Why what's the story?


Yeah, I know right.


Yeah.


Well, I grew up in Alaska and then I lived in Minnesota for a few years and then I was like moving from Minnesota to Seattle and I was like, hey, fuck it, I want to go to europe.


No.


And I've never been and like now I have some time in between jobs and I didn't actually have a job yet. And I was like fuck it, I'll just go like on a one way ticket for like three or four weeks and this was two years ago now. And I lived there for a year and a half.


What for?


I traveled for like three months and then I lived there for like a year and a half and then I came back for christmas this last year and while Covid happened and here I am.


I have never met anyone from a lab in my life.


Yeah, well there's a lot of them here.


I want one thing. Yeah. I love how you move from there and then you go somewhere else. I've never been like wow and then decide to live with her.


Uh huh.


Like why?


Yeah, because I I learned german through like high school and I've always been curious about europe like, I don't know why not, but I hate flying.


What made you want to do that?


So I was like, I'll never go if I have less than three weeks. And I was between jobs. So it's like fuck it, I'll get a one way ticket and see what happens like.


You can look like yourself?


Yeah. And then like Mhm.


Oh you know this one needs to just pick up and leave.


Actually not as much as you think. I mean here I am doing like surveys, right?


Okay.


Like I mean like I'm studying the first full and stuff, but like, and I like kind of like work for like neighbors and stuff, like doing yard work like part time.


What? Yeah mm I wouldn't want to get Mhm.


But like I so like when you, it's like the ticket to get over there is the expensive part. But like, okay, if you're like in paris or like London, it's super expensive. But if you're like eastern, europe, west or central and eastern europe, it's actually super cheap. Like there's places. No, but there's like there's like a couple of few countries I've been to that. It's like You can live on like $300, 34 well like Like $3, a month.


Mhm.


Like comfortably. So it's interesting right?


What? Oh yeah.


Yeah.


What the fuck are everything here? Like I want to travel so bad but then I'm like I'm scared like I I put my family a lot like you normally like go on road trips and everything obviously good.


It's like it's crazy but it's so fun. It. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay.


So this summer.


No but um it'll be like during the summer we'll do something and then like every couple of years will do like um okay cruise or something or we'll go to like the country you know?


Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Oh.


But well I don't know what was going on.


Oh no big deal right there. Like we'll just go to another country. Yeah.


I don't know how much money they were thinking when they were able to do that.


Mhm. Oh okay.


But it was like we missed the plane or something, we missed the doctor for one of the cruises.


Gotcha. Okay.


And my mom's like let's just fly to the other port. I'm like why?


Oh. Uh huh.


My school was like yeah not just like an extra $5,000.


Oh my god.


And I was like how do you want us there?


Oh well I don't think most, Well most people don't, I just like because like the way I do it is like it depends on how comfortably comfortable you are being like kind of a little bit uncomfortable at all times.


What it's like to me?


So it's like places like you know that you're spending $400 a month and you're not seeing like you don't have the comfort of like the U.


Yeah.


S. You know everything is a little bit like weird or whatever.


Yeah jay.


Like I like buses are like really cheap but they're really, you know it's like you know long. It's crazy. It's like so it's like stuff like food is really good but like if you're like, if you want to live like a plush life, obviously you're gonna spend more than that.


What?


But if you're like okay, just kind of like rough in it, it's like you can swing it or hostels or whatever and stuff like that is like different.


Uh And you did you get a job there and give you a Visa? Like how did you do this?


For what?


Well so I had like some savings saved up and I then I was doing um I was learning german in Germany for my Visa and then I started then I like couldn't stay in Germany any longer with that Visa. So I then Prague was like four hours away. And so like, I was like, well I loved Berlin Germany is like the coolest city over. I was like fuck it, I want to stay. So then I went and got a Visa to study at an american university in Prague and then I hated Prague.


Uh huh.


But anyway, so it was like it's like kind of like living on visas is not the best life but it's what it is.


Okay.


Right?


Yeah but where have you been like oh mm right, you don't appreciate it.


I understand. I don't understand. But I can imagine. Oh, okay. You know how you go on vacations, but you're young and you don't, not that you don't care, it's just, you don't know, like you don't have, it's like, I appreciate it. But I didn't use my phone so I never took picture at that time.


Uh But that's almost good in a way or no.


Well, um, it was good because I was absorbing every proof at the same time memory. Like my parents, I have fun with stuff like I went to a turtle farm and like, um, yeah, just turtles are just walking everywhere.


Right. Yeah. Wait what? Hold on. What? Yeah.


You pick them up.


Where where is this?


Yeah. Um, Cayman island by the league. It was good.


Where even is that, wow.


I figured Bahamas, yes.


Oh my God, that's amazing.


In places like Jamaica Bahamas. Um, our cannon.


Okay nice. And I see that stuff I've never done mm Right.


Yeah. I never did what you did that we need to like to walk experiences. We need to do.


Exactly. The Yeah wow.


Well, my parents, um, they went to Dubai. Um, They went to Aruba the year before though. But yeah, it's like I want to do these things.


But still. Mhm. This you should absolutely like it's even like as a solo female it's like it's doable. It's like there's definitely places that I won't go alone but like generally as long as you're smart about it and like during the day and stuff like like of course out at night you need to be a little bit more careful.


Yeah.


But like, I don't know like you can do it like women.


Mm hmm, wow.


It's like, it's really cool because like especially once you start solo, like you travel solo. Like I was like when I left I was like this is my bubble. I like my bubble. Like I feel safe here and everything else is weird. And then I got there. I was like, I like don't not interested in like communal living. And then I was like, well I have to do hostels to save money. And then you find like the coolest fucking people in hostels and the hostels became like the best part.


Look. Oh, hello.


And so it's like, I was never like, I was never alone though because then you're like, you go into the hospital, you're like, hey anyway you want to go do this. And then like some random person. Yeah, sure. And then suddenly you have like five people going to do this like random thing you've never done before or you've never let these people that's like Yeah.


Uh, like I want to do um, swimming with dolphins, right?


I want to travel, right?


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


I didn't have like, not that my friends aren't adventurous, but it's not like, hey, let's go here this weekend.


Uh huh Yeah.


It's like we should plan for two months, a few months.


Uh Let's plan it, right?


I want to get out, right?


Yeah, exactly. By then you're just like, I'll fuck it like no, it's it's really hard.


But it's already strapped.


It's like if you just like, of course it's easy to say, you know, like just go like, you know, whatever. Like I don't know, maybe, you know, having jobs and everything is kind of a problem.


Yeah.


But like, you know like if you can figure it out, it's like, it's so cool because in europe you can just get like tickets anywhere for all like nothing. It's like, like either buses or um flights.


When can you be my friend please?


Like I was living in Berlin and I was like, fuck it, I found $26 round trip tickets just like an island in Spain like oh okay.


When can we will save?


I would I would be happy to be.


No. Quarantine will be like what prompted?


Yes. Exactly. Seriously I'm happy to share any advice if you want.


I was to get off the country in the beginning, when the ticket put, the airline tickets were like tanks.


Mhm. Yeah.


Uh, it wasn't belonging for travel, but I Oh, who?


Yeah. It's so hard because it's like you see these prices and you're like but you're like but we're going to be in lockdown and forever like yes.


Yes. Wait, okay. I need you. All right. So I like things online. A tv surveys like, so things I thrift I love for things like so much.


Yeah, we are friends already.


Yeah. Oh my goodness.


I just put it so good about it. Like I have second I'm going to the mall and spending anything full of praise. I'm like no I don't find this in like a year and I'll be happy because I'm saving them from the loan so I'm saving money and if I don't want any more I could just sell it.


I know exactly.


Oh my God You can buy like 20 things for the price of one shirt.


Exactly. Do you know how many things you buy and you're like actually I didn't like us so much and then you're like oh exactly.


Like where is that? Okay?


But anyway, what were you going to say?


Yeah.


Sorry, I interrupt.


Okay so I thrift.


Yeah wow.


Yeah I sell them online. Um Like for a craft, that's what I do.


Well is that your full time job or whatever?


Yeah. What's my full time job?


Well full time.


But I don't make my money.


Well okay. But still that's like what you do, thanks.


I it takes an insane amount of my time. But like if I was using the same hours I wouldn't I would be making a lot more somewhere else.


No. Yeah.


But it's just because I'm not like set up yet. You know, some people are making thousands of dollars a week doing it, but I'm still trying to like people are making, some people are making like $10,000 a month as if that was like a goal they were trying to hit and I'm like, what were your sports and your items and what really happened?


Right wow. Okay kids wow wow.


Are you directing ass? Oh, you know, you have that skill, if you have like the Ebay app, there's a barcode or um you can type it in on Ebay and then it'll pop up and then it's yeah, like the prices, like if I scan, let me find a barcode.


But if you like. No, that's amazing. Because I've even thought about like if only I was like good, I'm like look at something like that's worth money is like I can't. But like if you have that skill like that's so fucking cool. Get okay nowhere.


Hold on.


Oh my god.


Wait, you want to buy like put off the mark because I don't buy new things.


That's amazing. Okay here. Uh Let's see you don't have one either. Let's see. What can I. I know same here. I'm just like okay wait I think this is headphones.


Okay, hold on, hold on, I'm getting it up.


Is it like the people, what the people watching our video are gonna be like what the fuck is it still enough?


Wait, okay, I'm ready. Hold on.


It might not be good enough quality.


Oh well it's not working but you're being so well.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah hang on, let me brace myself here.


Uh huh. Let me see if my no no, no it's not working because I'm gonna try my go to court.


It might. Okay can you sell your goldfish anyway?


Oh okay.


Good. Oh yeah. Uh huh.


You got to do it.


E.


Oh hey.


Bay is like what the fuck? No. Yeah wow, that's amazing.


Mhm mm. I don't know what's going on. Wait, that's 72 pac that's pretty good for $30.


Well you. Yeah.


Don't make me spend money.


Right.


But you see what, you see how it was and you just Mhm.


That's so cool. Oh my god, I'm gonna try that definitely. That is so cool. Because like I'm like all about finding weird ways to make money and it's like I don't I don't want to go back to having like that normal like 9-5.


And we're general nothing.


I've done that. I do not ever want to do that again. And it's like okay doing surveys, I'm probably not going to pay rent. But like it's like you put, it pays for like you anytime I want to order something online now there's always enough money to get it. And it's like because I don't order that much and it's like it's so cool like the survey thing I discovered that And there's so many apps where you can do that and it's like you spend so much time making so little money.


Yeah. Uh huh.


But like prolific has been like, I've made like 300 something dollars since the beginning of the summer, which I'm like, what?


Whoever. Yeah. No, it wouldn't.


That's so cool. Just by having my screen open.


All of the other ones, it's like safe to get this many points. And then you're like, I spent a month that I made a dollar, like I don't do this.


Yeah, Yeah, either.


And then it's like, Oh you can only cash for about 10.


Yeah, but it takes.


It's like what if there's another seven months of my heart?


Yeah, exactly.


Oh yeah, wow.


But it's like prolific. It's like my goal is to, you know, and it's depending if I had an actual job, this would be a little less achievable. But like if I have enough to cash out every cash out day, you know what I mean? Like £5 at least. And it's like, then it's just like so rewarding to be like, I need something so you go to Ebay, you use Paypal and I never did anything with that money. It's like, I don't even know it's gone because it wasn't even there to me in the first place was like, this is cool.


Mhm. Wait, did you ever, you ever, Did you cash out four times?


Uh, total ever. Oh yeah. Many times. Many more times.


Well then you don't have to wait to cash out days.


Why do you okay.


Like when if you cash out after you cash out four times, it's instant like you can press cash out.


I thought it, I thought it was still, it would automatically process and then you'd still get on the cash just any time?


No. Yeah, you can just, if you have the five, if you have the £5,, you just press cash, go to your paper that we need Shouldn't be allowed to do five, It's £5,, but it's just we'll have to wait for Tuesday or Friday Or to clear 30.


No. Uh huh Oh, I didn't realize that because I thought it was still like, don't tell me that because I'm like, no, you still got to go for your five. Well, ideally it's like £5 a day, right? Oh, I didn't know that. Good to know because I noticed it did some instant, but I was like, I think it still means you have to wait and you know, it's so cool.


Yeah. And No, no, no, like he goes there immediately. Like you can press cash out. Yeah. It's amazing.


Yeah.


Did you tell user class thing?


Mhm. I started it and then I didn't finish filling out the application because I got busy and then I was like, then you isn't really Yeah.


Yeah. Oh you literally make okay. It's hard because I don't check it as much as I took prolific just because they take a little bit longer.


Like my computer just glitches out and I just won't do it.


Okay.


But Um it's $10 per survey and then they just send it right to pay for um to uh yeah, $10.


Yeah, Are you serious?


And you just like talk out loud and answer their questions.


Mhm.


So simple.


Oh my God. Okay. Because like the I think what happened was I got hung up because they were like, you need to do like a like a sample video and I was like, okay, I don't I can't do it right now. And then I just was like, okay you need to do that and I'm just kind of lazy like that, you know?


Yeah. But so as long as you just, you speak out loud, like I watched a little video on Youtube of like, oh like what I did to pass the test, all you do is say I would expect to, I I would expect to do this.


I don't know. But it is really okay then I'm doing that as soon as we get off.


I would expect to do that like as if it's an actual website and then I got it. It's so simple. You like.


That's amazing.


Thank you. If you've heard of, how did you find out about all this stuff?


Okay, so I have a friend and we're both like, we both like um do the same thing after I'm, there's this Reddit account that we both find it on.


Yes. Okay. Okay.


It's just like money.


I was gonna suggest that to you the Reddit account, which is how I felt it. Yeah.


Yeah.


Your money, your money and really see I but that's how I figured, I don't know how I found beer money, but then like I found that and then like my mom and aunt have done this kind of shit like for years like done the like the bullshit stuff where you spent a month doing a dollar, you know?


Everyone knows that some like it will talk to the money or they know beer money. Yeah.


And then I told him about this and they both made like hundreds already, and it's just like, so now we're just like, it's so easy.


Where it's a movie? There's so much to go around, do you know?


Exactly. And it's like, I don't even feel guilty telling people because like, my mom does it and sometimes once in a while we'll get them where like I'll click, I want to be like, somebody in your household has already done this. You can't you can only have one.


Right.


I think it's because your VPN or something like your internet, I don't know, I'm not technical but like they know that you're coming from the same internet connection.


Mhm. Yeah.


I think if I got a VPN it wouldn't do that. But it's really weird because like, so sometimes like she'll see one pop up and she'll have been like, getting it done.


Hard. We were worried. Yeah your sound is coming you and then I'm unique and then I'm you I can't hear you If you me.


What? Is that better? No shit, um Is that better?


Oh my god, don't you?


No, now?


Okay, I can hear you.


Yeah, you can hear me ok? I took the headphones out, it's just my uh I live with my parents and brother now, so it's like, oh but they're all aware that I want a video call for this, let me know if you can't hear me again, if something happens.


Mhm. Right. Yeah I will. I can hear you know when you wow it's pretty my friends.


Um But it's super interesting and then my mom would be like, oh there's a survey that just popped up, like, did you get it? Because if I've been like getting clocked out because she's been doing them all, she'll be like sometimes like, oh there's one, see if you can do it, but she doesn't get the service, same service I do because we're in completely different demographic and it's like really interesting, like it's super weird, but it's super cool way drip.


Right, okay. This is why our were the same or about the same demographics elsewhere though And it's like I'll get some for black people and then she'll get the ones that are not like did you just want to do like no.


Oh yeah. Mhm. What? Oh, that's interesting. No, the first one I got one today, which was the first one I was for sure.


Well wait how does that work?


Like this is for white people and even said like if you're white, this aged at this age in the U. S. And I'm like, oh my God, there was this one.


How does that work?


Oh my God. Okay. No, but I took a screenshot of this.


Uh huh.


It was like this was the most controversial when I've ever gotten and it was like honestly like kind of offensively, you know what I was just, I saw it. I'm like there's no way you okay. I don't, it's basically it's, I don't know if you can see it, it's listing differently.


Okay.


Different. Um like yes.


Wait, moving over my pictures right there. Okay. Different races.


Yeah. And what you think they are on here?


What what what do you mean?


Uh huh. Mm hmm.


How much of a month are you?


Yeah. But like how do I view like people have like whatever or I think it even had like americans, democrats, republicans and then like races.


Well what are you less than human if you are one of these?


This was like, I pretty much haven't gotten much like, I mean I've definitely, especially like back in june and all the black, black lives matter stuff was going on.


Mhm I'm yeah, like, wow.


You got like, I definitely got some like, you know, how positive, you know, negatively do you view this stuff? And I'm like, you know, but I've never gotten something so like, wow. Like what is that like this? So offensive.


You know this let me smack.


I do. I'm sorry. I think we're all monkeys at this point.


Yeah, it's cream.


I'm just, I like, I saw that this morning.


Yeah.


I'm like, whoa. But it's good and interesting life.


Oh, I'm so, I think that you actually took a picture and then was able to use the picture today and mm Yeah.


I'm well, I know right. And there's definitely some things that come up once in a while that you like and I like send it to my mom like, you know, because sometimes we'll talk about like, which surveys together, whatever. like, oh my God, this really interesting one today. I haven't shown her that yet and I was like, oh my goodness. Like, wow.


Okay.


But anyway, yeah, it's I don't know, wow.


Yeah. Uh huh. Look, I love it.


What is that? That's a rock.


It's uh the Crystal shop crystal top down the street from my house.


It's beautiful. There was this, where did you get it? Uh huh.


So I was like, I'm gonna go there and I I found there and then I thought drifted these two plates like these uh sunflower.


Yeah. Yeah. Book Yeah.


Hold on. It's Sunflower this is Oh yeah.


Okay. That's awesome. I'm like, really glad I got something with a personality as opposed to like, I don't know, a six year old.


Oh mm no, sometimes the time just drags on a little bit too much of people and I'm like, oh my gosh, like we were talking about like, I don't know Like there's this white guy, right?


Yeah. Okay. The weather go walking.


And he may have been like in his he may have been like 27, that's what I give him.


Uh huh. Okay.


We don't know each other's names. We have to tell each other each other's names in a second.


Oh, really? Okay.


Yeah. Well we can if you don't want to, that's okay.


Oh no, no, no.


Yeah, I'm a lot nice to meet you, Whitney.


My name is Whitney, nice to meet you.


Mhm. But he he was like um um like high um he was a history teacher and then he's like, I also teach african american studies and you could tell that he was looking for my facial expression because um he was like, like really?


Wait, Hold on 1 2nd.


He was, you can't hear me please.


Your your video went away. It's just like an outline of a, like a guy. But I assume that just means I don't know.


What a guy.


Well, I mean it's like just a silhouette of like a cartoon person.


What the heck?


Mhm.


I didn't do anything.


Can you see me?


Yeah, I can see you.


Maybe I didn't hit it or anything?


Oh, what's up? I don't want to press brush because I don't want it to go away.


I didn't yeah, I don't do that. Um I don't even know. How do you even end this thing? Yeah.


You can't be explained. Don't do that.


Oh okay.


Oh my God.


Wait can't hold on let me look at this.


Wait, I can try to go out like, oh, I'm scared. Okay. Can I give you like my number or something? Just in case we're disconnected because we hit the 25 marks.


Yeah.


So if we like if we end, it's not going to be like awesome.


Right. Let me grab a pen some wire here. Oh there you are. You're back but still might as well.


Right. Oh Goddammit. Hold on.


Okay. Just in case I'll verify and you can verify me.


Okay. Ready?


Alright. My name am I. K.


Okay.


AI L.


A.


And then 267 67 up.


Okay. Okay.


All right. And I can give you I just, my internet is like my I live in the like two hours from eight hours from Seattle. I'm like if you Made a straight line to Seattle it's probably like 20 miles. But I live across the water from Seattle so you have to take like a fairy and everything.


I live in the middle of nowhere.


Like yes, like my I don't even because where my parents live and I didn't know I was going to be here this long and without a job.


Like I can't just go like get an apartment because I'm still planning to go back to europe eventually.


Right.


So here I am in the middle of fucking nowhere.


Oh.


I know almost no one here, like, Yeah, almost later.


So do you know people from europe? What do you have a group?


Yeah.


My best.


I don't care. What's your job.


But well like, because I was studying there and then like, now I'm going to go back and there's this program you can do, it's called Work away. You want your face went away again.


Mm No, no.


Yeah, but there's a I'm here.


With the number.


I'm sending you a tax right now. Uh Oh, you have okay, let me know if you get it.


Yeah. I've heard about work away though.


My like I said, I have almost no cell coverage.


I'm not.


I can just give you the number two if you have a pen.


I got it.


Okay. Um But yeah so like that's what I was going to do and like then just like live random places while I study online and because why not?


Uh huh.


Right.


Uh But I forget what I was going with that anyway. Yeah so like like all my friends are in, well not all my friends, I could have friends in the U. S. But I've never actually lived in Washington up until now. And so like here I am like I know a couple of people but that's about it. It's ridiculous. Like my best friend is like a gay guy from Nepal who I met in Berlin.


Mean that actually I want to live like this.


And it's just like what the fuck Like.


Like you're my inspiration.


Yeah.


I hope you know that.


Oh it's like it's so it's so easy to like guys can do it. You know you're just like oh but he's a guy like it's so doable if you have my number, you have my number.


If you ever like, hey let's chat, let's I want advice like I'm your girl, you just text me and uh I'm 28.


Okay. Yeah. And what like how old are you? 28. I would have to keep seeing me again.


Yes, I can see you again. How old are you?


I'm inc No I'm I'm 19.


You look like you're 18 by the way?


Sorry I forgot.


Oh, excuse me. Okay.


What? No, no you forgot because my birthday just why not?


Ha ha. Well, happy birthday I 20.


I never like thank you. I thought you were like no, I mean I thought you were 18 and then I was like that's impossible because she can't have this much stuff in my time.


No. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Well, but what I found is like I didn't do anything until I was like 20 for like I was so quiet and shy and like I lived in my little bubble and I was happy and now it's like I look I look back at photos now, I look so much older back then than I do now. I like seriously look younger now than I did back then because back then people thought I would like was late twenties and they'd be like, you know, if they ever guessed and be like late twenties now is everyone guesses like 22 or 23 that was like there's several years of difference there.


Normal.


It's ridiculous. But Yeah.


Yeah, that's part of a lot.


Yeah, no it's cool but it's interesting like how like, I don't know like confidence, I think it's like confidence and happiness that I've gotten from like living a lot of being like so empowered to like, I can do this like, you know when nobody else is there to fight for you, like as far as like Visa or like, you know, you have to figure this shit out.


It is cool.


It's like another language in another country.


Yeah.


It's like you gain so much like power is so cool.


Oh yeah. It sounds awesome.


Did you have to like go to court for the Visa? What you do? Is it all online?


Well no it's like it well in Germany it was a lot harder because like you have to do appointments and stuff and you have to go in bring out your information, but you actually set up bank accounts and like get a residence and all this kind of shit.


Mm How much purpose?


And then Prague was easier because I was already in europe and like it was easier because I've been through it before and everything, but if you know what you're doing it can be fairly easy. But there's like, it depends on what Visa, if you're getting like a job Visa, it's way, way, way, way harder than like a student Visa because you have to prove how much you're making, you have to get letters, all this kind of crap. But yeah, so it's not fun, it's not fun at all.


Okay. It sounds like fun.


Mhm, mm.


I'm like I can't be a week.


Mhm. But you do you are you going to school right now?


Israel I go to school but it's like summer still right now.


Are you just like working?


So I back up in september I'm going to our language interpreting, I don't want uh huh um okay, right now into the community college, um I want to be part therapist, but I would have to go all the way across the country or I would have to pay like crazy stupid high tuition to go to fill to pennsylvania.


Okay. Okay. Oh that's so cool. What is he? Wait, is this like a university or is it like a great uh what a tech school, like what do you call it? Okay. On.


So I'm like, yeah, it's like, I don't what as it is, so I'm like, well I don't really want to be in debt right now and it's just like better go for something that I can apply to, anything, you know?


Which is ridiculous. Yeah. Yes. Right. Right.


So um I mean, it's kind of hard because it's hard, but at the same time it's rewarding, you know?


Oh. Mhm. Yeah. Oh, I bet. Oh my God. Like, wait, so are you fluent in sign language? Are you learning now?


No, not yet. I'm still learning month.


That's so fucking cool. Like excuse my language, but that's so cool.


Yeah.


I love languages, but I can't imagine like sign language like that.


So like cool.


Yeah. I mean, I've always been like active with my hands, like I'm an artist and then like I um like I just always have done things with my hands, so it just made sense, you know?


Yeah. Home Yeah.


And um my teachers are actually deaf, so I learned directly.


Mostly have to.


Mhm. Yeah. Well, no, no, not all of my teachers, just like my ex I language teachers are death.


Yeah. Yeah.


It's just, I didn't, I wasn't expecting that when I first went there because um I didn't know that this was gonna be my major, I wanted to take a ceramics class and it got dropped because of low enrollment, so then I had to switch it over to something else, and I was like, oh, I'll fix that language, and they were like, okay, the class starts tomorrow, and I was like, okay, sure, right, you know, oh, I don't have dead people in my life, but it's like, I know that it will make a lot of money, and at the same time it's like, especially now, like anything, it'll be great to be able to communicate with someone in a different language you know?


Yeah. Yeah. That's so wait, do you have like deaf people in your life or you just like this is just something completely from nowhere? You will? Mhm. Oh no, I completely get it.


And Yeah and being able to home like right now interpreters um well they were like a few months ago interpreters were making $300 an hour um to do like to interpret at courts just because it was like we need the information out there and they're so like the news is constantly on that they needed more people.


Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, wow. Yeah. Oh my God, that's well, Well I think like oh yeah, well obviously, yeah, but like that, but that's just like I've never messed with, it was like, I didn't know you could like study for that at a school.


So with yeah it's not going to feel like that forever. I hope I hope it's like that forever but I hope that it's not because of a pandemic. Yeah.


Like what?


Yeah you can there were schools around me that offer it surprisingly it's crazy like as majors right?


Well yeah, is it a major to like you are an interpreter is a major in sign language and then you're going to do an interpreting thing both.


It's um interpreting is not the same thing as just learning sign language though.


Okay, okay this is our many of this, this is like mhm huh Yes.


Like there's death studies we can like absorb sign language, learn about the culture. Like I don't just take my language class. Have to take finger spelling class and learn how to finger spell fast. I have to take a death culture class. I have to take a linguistics. Like it's like a whole different yeah with the grammars and I feel it like a baby because it's like when you're young, you know how you learn like the alphabet, the, it's like I'm starting over because it's a new language.


Uh Yeah well because I I completely understand because like I mean I've learned german and now I'm learning Turkish on my own but you feel like an idiot you can't even like understand basic just like but it's like I've I here yeah but like I feel like you're getting a cool do view into like a different culture within a culture, you know it's like because it's I mean of course there's things like you know like black culture like asian culture within our culture, you know the american culture but you know those people can still like easily communicate you know, you know color to color.


Yes. And you know it, what the hell did you say to me? Yeah. No.


But like deaf people are a little, I would imagine a little bit isolated in away from like everything else because they can't interact in the same way.


Yeah.


So you're seeing something that's like even more like removed and I think that's I love cultures and languages so I think that's fucking awesome.


Well you'd be surprised how many people how many deaf people there actually is. Like my friends, like she texted me today the one that I was telling you about like the surveys and stuff. She's like, hey, I'm in the doctor's office and there's two people signing here like doing side language and I thought about you and I'm like, cool, like, or I went to the nail salon, like a few, I don't go to Nashville and often I'm like, I have nobody to help.


Uh huh.


I am.


Yes.


I went a few months ago and um, this woman was so mad, but she couldn't express her point. It was before I like was better at style language and I'm like, I can help you.


But she was upset and some of them, some of them don't like help. Like they like their independence. So you want to make sure you ask, you want me to help you because it's like they don't want to be babied.


Right.


You know, it's like they're human and it's like, I need, it's frustrating because she's like, I don't like it, I can see her going, I don't like it.


Sure.


I don't like it. I'm like, okay, but she wasn't talking and the friend that she was with was deaf too, and they weren't like, we can't use pen and paper because your hands are wet and I'm like, this is frustrating for me to watch when I know I can't help, but they didn't want me to help.


Oh wow, that's interesting.


Mhm.


Oh my gosh well but that's not something I think you would learn about in like you know diving into that community a little bit more so like why it's like that?


No. Oh room Yeah.


How did better deal with that?


I worked at a at a jewelry, like you've run into dead people so much more often. Um like a jewelry, like she worked, she was a jeweler, she worked at like a jewelry store and that person came up and she needed to do a return and then she was like, she was saying she was deaf but like mouthing and she's like, oh, I know sign language, hi, how are you?


Really? Uh huh.


And she was like, you know, like she did not want her to use styling, right?


No. Yeah wow.


Doesn't, but it's important people grow up in hearing families and um when their families are hearing, they force them to do as much hearing like things instead of converting themselves to sign language.


Yeah.


So they feel we identify more with the hearing community and they have like a hatred towards the deaf community because they were never grown up in it.


Okay.


So it's like Yeah.


Oh I've heard of this.


Yeah, it's like they they wish, they say we wish that they could like come into it later, but like it's um like when you're you feel ashamed of something, so you feel like hatred towards it just because like, oh I wish I wasn't like this, you know?


Oh whoa. Yeah I've also but I've also heard like I saw a documentary about like a family where their kids they were they were all death, but then the parents have a decision to make for the Children to put in the cochlear implants and they were like, they chose not to because they were like, no, they're one of us.


Or Mhm Oh my God. Yeah, they that most of people are against a cochlear implant because um well once it's there, you can't get it removed.


And I'm like, wow, okay.


So if you, if you make that choice as a baby for someone, they never get to get and they're they're hearing is never perfect.


Yeah. Yeah.


So they're just always static instead of hearing nothing.


Right.


So it's like when we feel like nothing's wrong with us, so why are you changing us like that?


Okay, interesting grandma.


People usually don't feel like anything's wrong with them to be changed uh foundation um he made the telephone alexander, I think it's alexander but he he made the top Yes mm he's terrible for the deaf community because he forces them um forces people in schools to not use sign language.


Um there's like threats for you if you lose that language. Like there was this um like there was a whole revolution kind of thing like with the deaf community because the president at this holdup school with hearing and like they just, it was like they were trying to convert all the hearing people, you cannot use some you cannot use on and like at this one place it's called um Gallaudet University.


What? Yeah.


They um it's a completely that school and not supposed to be using sign at this death school.


Okay. Okay.


They were supposed to be using hearing like the I'm not hearing um we speak people and liberating speaking a little it's like why would I do that for like they would get, they would get hit at different at these different schools, hit with a ruler if they um using their hands they weren't allowed right?


What? Okay. But on, well we, well, I feel like this I know right?


Not accepted because everyone to be like them like they want everyone like there's enough space in the world for everyone. The heck on.


Like I'm actually, I've never like thought much about this, but this is like really fascinating. It's like I can see it on the outside and be like, well, what's wrong with, you know? But it's like unless you're in that community, you know, it's like, well, I mean it's the same thing that goes on with like, you know, all the other things. Like, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, like there's no racism problems. It's like but you're not the one on the other side of it, You can't understand it unless you've been in those shoes, you know?


Yeah.


So it's like it's not your place to tell somebody, you know how to feel about a certain thing.


Mm Yeah it's a major like I you know how like they're making like improvements to deaf people like their helping these kids be hearing and stuff that's not seen as an accomplishment like in the deaf community right?


So it's like I'm curious now hearing this from the outside of like on the outside, I'm like why not use sign language? Why not? Do you know like cochlear implant? But it's like I'm not touched by that. It's not my place to be like wow, like this is how it should be. It's like oh uh yeah really pesos.


This is a culture. Like say it's just like that's their identity and you're making it invalid by making it so that there's less deaf people to come into their culture. Like it's like I'm not genocide, but it's like you're stopping the recreation of that people.


I I understand what, okay, I understand that. It's just like wow, I feel like there's so many like deep dives here you can do into like psychology and like sociology and like all this kind of stuff.


So it's actually really interesting.


No.


Yeah. Whoa well thank you for sharing that.


Oh, oh, thank you for everything that you share.


That's super cool.


Like I definitely want to learn. Like, you know, a whole different language fluently and I'm like, whoa, America.


Well you're going to get much better than me because you know like well as you learn like well maybe it's a little different so it's not a complete other languages. Still speaking the english structure and everything. But it is.


It's a different grammar, like the grammar, like we speak, like we say, um my pillow was over there. They say my pillow.


No, no, it's like it's awkward.


What?


It's not, it's not, it's not the same thing, you know?


I had no do.


And students like it's not people think it's gestures like, oh this means this, this means that it's not gestures, everything completely different. Just some things remind you like, like a can of coke, they're signing, you would think that's a needle, but it's not or like Abraham Lincoln is the worst sign ever.


Uh huh. Yeah. If what?


It's A and L. Like he got shot in the head. It's funny.


Oh Oh my God.


Hold on, I'm pretty big.


Wait hold on.


Yeah, do it again.


Do that again, Will. Mhm.


And he was like a when I was like, okay, uh well, okay, so if your dominant hand, some of them are two times like this is sunday, we're fine.


Doesn't matter which hand you're using. Mhm. Okay. Right.


Like that's two hands, but you can't um okay, you can't do that.


Okay. Right.


Like you, you put a prominent hands, you know, or no, but sometimes just for similar, like it's just some of them look extremely like identical if you're not looking at the context of the sentence, you know?


Okay. Okay. Well I didn't know if there was like if it meant it was this hand, it meant one thing which is this hand? It meant the other like another thing. Oh listen. Yeah.


Uh huh. And like that people don't like people with disabilities, surprisingly I was, I have a whole debate, not debate, but like I would, this would always make me mad about the deaf community because I'm like technically they don't see themselves as disable and they feel like any association with them, it's like considering them together and I'm like, but you can you can not differentiate.


Mhm. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Oh okay. I have one. I won't keep you going forever. Like I just have one question. How is it different from british? Uh Because there's american sign language, right, is that it's complete own thing?


I did that go on. Yeah. Yeah.


Can you understand like british, silent Yeah.


No language, like there's a lot of different ones, there's british sign language, there's E. S. L. Exact signed english, that's not a language. And then there's um like pidgin sign language, it's not a language like it's like some of them are not languages where some people will say um okay t I like right, that's sign language.


Uh huh Oh, that's fucking fancy baby.


And then I like tea, that's exact signed english. That is not a language that's right. All of the words like I can like some people like on Youtube like they'll sign whole songs, right? And then some of them you can tell that they're signing it. Like it's really hard to interpret because you have to hear it and then like do it as you're doing it or so not the same as just knowing, you know, it's like you have to know and understand how to convert it.


Yeah.


So like it's different, but I don't know, british language because that's a different language, you know?


What?


And it's like a yes Swedish.


Wait, could you, yeah.


I believe there's a bunch of different ones. Even spanish.


Is there my language in spanish?


Oh I bet like if it's, if british and american english are different completely, like I imagine every language has its own, but like, wow, I'm sorry, I'm just like processing, like this is so interesting to me.


No, it's okay.


You talked me because sometimes I like question what I want to do with myself.


Wait sure.


I'm like, I don't know if this is what I want to do. Like, you know, like I just, because I still want to do the art therapy thing, but I know it's gonna take so much of my life, like it's gonna take so much time. I'm going to be in school for so long and I'm like, do I want it that bad?


And then it's like job security, you know, with this people are always going to be deaf and there's always going to be things that technology can't catch up with.


Yeah. Mhm Yeah, exactly.


Like, you know, I'm going to be that and it's just like, so it helps me to talk about it occasionally and like people's interest rubs back off on me and I'm like, okay, I should practice so thank you.


Yeah, I think, well I think, oh no, no, like I'm like seriously, like my new, I've been, you know, you go through phases of like interests and stuff, but like my current quarantine hobby and I've always enjoyed, like languages like german is cool but like they all speak perfect english, but now I'm like learning Turkish, I'm like, I'm very beginner, but like you can communicate with people who don't speak english as well, you know, or don't speak any english.


Uh huh.


And I find it so interesting now that like you compare like different kinds of languages to like others and so like that's kind of like my interest anyway. And so it's really interesting because I never like it never really clicked with me about like I've never thought much about like sign language and like hearing about like your interpretation is like wow these are questions I never even thought to wonder before.


No, I'm not whole. Uh huh. Well, I didn't, I haven't used the app dual lingo, but I know that like, did you ever hear that you have a sigh language pushing on there?


Yeah. Oh yeah of course. Yeah.


I haven't.


Really?


Who's it? But they do have that.


You're probably too advanced at this point for just do a lingo. But like when did you start learning this last fall?


You never Yeah, Most far not this not last like I Yeah, a year ago.


Wow. Like a year ago?


Yeah.


Okay wow.


Uh huh. A little maybe a little bit over because in high school I was taking I was going to high school and then at 10 23 am we could leave if we had a college class schedule. So I was like I'm definitely going to college classes that I can leave and just take that one class and you've gone after day and I took one then the next semester I took A.


Okay. Yeah. Right.


F. L. Two. Then I took when I was actually in college, that's when I started taking depth studies, finger spelling like that.


Oh okay.


So it's like it's different because it's more consistent like I'm constantly learning instead of it being one portion, you know?


Great. Right. But still like you had a base you had a basic understanding because like at least you understand basic concepts where I didn't even realize like E. S. L. Was different than like A. S. O. Is that the right to say it?


Yes I didn't know that even before I took that class so it's like it's just the one class, oh thank you so much, you're so sweet.


Uh huh. Well you should definitely keep up with it. I feel like I feel like you'd be really good at because your face is so animated and stuff like you sure. Like if you like it of course not. If you're like, oh God, like if you're like constantly like this isn't fun anymore. Obviously not. But like you don't have to take right?


You know like it's just like okay if you don't have to play a video game of course you're not gonna like it as much until you know how to play. You know? It's like I'm still learning the mechanics and everything behind it, but once I'm fluid, I'm gonna love doing it.


Of course.


It's just like the learning is tedious.


Yeah. He's like, no, I totally get it. But then like as you make those breakthroughs, like you're just like, like you can understand so much more suddenly and you're just like wow this is so fun.


Like you can do it right?


Yeah. Thank you. Hope it's because we're starting back up and I'm like here we go. Uh to like normally only take one type of like my major class, like major specific and then I take other like um prerequisites and that I need and I'm like this this one's gonna be a hard one because I'm taking like the grammar class and um A.


Oh what?


S. L. Three and it's like both them together is going to be tortured, right?


Yeah, you can do it.


It's okay. Thanks.


You can do it.


Thank you.


There's so much time on your hands right now, Right?


I believe in you like everything that you were getting back to europe.


Yeah.


You'll get there. Mhm.


Thank you. But I'm glad you're a good partner to start with.


You, Yeah.


And I wish you so many more like study because six of them, like that's a lot for people to not show up.


Wait, I don't know.


Let's get a look.


I'm like, it might be. Thank you.


So uh All right.


You too. That's awesome. Well, I'll let you go down.


Oh, everyone okay.


You know, You know, and let me know if you have any sizable depressions or anything else to We don't.


Yeah. Nice meeting you. If you ever need anything, you have you ever questions? Just shoot me a text? Mhm. Yeah. Okay. For sure.


Hi, bye.


Thank you. And how good night? Yeah.


Right now for user testing.


Yes, we'll do that.


Hi.


Yeah please. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Oh boy. But okay. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Mhm. Okay. Okay. Something like this mm. Yeah. Yes.


look Yeah can you hear me?


Okay.


Okay I'm pretty good.


Yeah. Yeah. Sounds good to be doing good thanks.


Are you? What's your name?


Yeah.


What's your name?


What's that? Uh manganese blue?


Look my name's josh nice to me.


How about you josh? Yeah you too. I really like your shirt.


Mhm.


Uh Thanks. It's I stole it. There's a shirt you can buy. Do you wanna do you know what uh X. K. C. D. S.


Yeah. Yeah.


So there's a comic for X. K. C. D. That says something like this with a graphic and then when I would be out of so many people would say that they liked it that I had you know other shirts made that said basically the same thing. So.


Yeah. Some dude and we need more of that right now too.


Oh yes that's true.


We need more science because yeah, I found that to be true in my experience unfortunately.


Actually this shirt is pretty old. I have not wearing this out to recently so um I think the people who need to hear it though are most pretty good at ignoring it right now so. Mhm. I'm trying. Oh do do you work in Stone?


All right. Um I sort of um I am married and my wife her job has allowed her to work from home.


Okay wow. Yeah.


Um and I used to have I worked in a lot of the office jobs and a couple of years ago I just burned out and my wife said well I know you want to write novels so why you do that?


Mhm. Yeah. Sure. Okay. Mhm wow.


I can take care of us both. So that was two years ago and that's a very uh um she is not lying, she is more than happy to be doing this.


Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. What I would do yeah.


And it's really cool. So I actually wrote A 600 page novel that I'm trying to edit and it's uh it's a beast sort of work from home, but I haven't earned any money yet, especially with my brain, so Yeah, well, and I'm not a I'm not an outline.


Okay. Probably. Yes. Yeah wow. Okay. That's that's impressive that you wrote six I mean to write 600 pages of one coherent thing it's you know up quite a feat I think for anyone. Okay.


Er So I just kind of like, right, and it works for me because it's not like some sort of rigid uh you know, plan on following.


Mhm.


It's sort of like, well what would happen next? What feels like it would happen next? Um Yeah, it's a it's really fun and I'm I'm happy with it, I hope something happens with it, but if not cool, I accomplished something that I'm proud of it.


Yeah. Hi. Yeah. Okay.


So that's that's not something I would have said a few years ago.


Yeah I think that's awesome.


Thanks.


I mean what kind of book is if give me give me an example of a book the H.


All right. It's it's definitely fiction and it's pretty much like just everything I like. I just put in a blender and I wrote a book that I went, oh, I'd like to read this. So um but it's part it's like a comedy horror adventure and it's about these uh dogs in this whole neighborhood and there's a just like kind of lovecraft ian monster that wants the dogs to like become up risers against humans. But oh um like he did The Call of Cthulhu.


P. Lovecraft Row like what is this most famous books again? Mhm.


Um If you ever saw the re animator movie, he totally yeah and in the Evil Dead movies, the necronomicon is it was a creation of his, so he always has monsters that are like beyond human comprehension that try if you tried to like see them.


Oh were you animators based on H. P. Lovecraft? Okay. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.


Like people sometimes like lose their minds just because it's psychologically. Uh huh.


Have you seen the movie? It follows it?


Hello. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, you know um I mean I guess in the way that sometimes the monsters are, they're basically like unkillable and so that kind of tracks with it follows for sure.


Would that be Canada's Lovecraft in potentially?


Um It's usually much more of a like um I'm trying to think of a really like, did you ever see Hellboy?


I have seen how Boy it's been a while.


Yeah.


That's the one with Ron Perlman. Right That was in the movie.


Yeah. Yeah.


Yeah. There's a part in the beginning of the first one where they're trying to like rip a hole in reality and you see like it's like a light goes into that portal and the light is teeny tiny against this huge giant monster that you only kind of see parts of it.


And so that's that's Lovecraft inspired to uh Yeah.


Okay so maybe like a little more cabin in the woods have you seen that movie?


Yeah, cabin in the woods is awesome.


But yeah.


I'm cornered.


Sorry although kevin Woods has the whole satire part which I don't think is love caffeine, right?


So Yeah, I Oh right, right. Um Yeah, but but the right.


But the whole thing about the end that they're all doing this thing to keep the all that basically everything going to hell and there's all this machine of you know, just basically evil built up to stop more evil is uh I don't know, I need to read, I haven't read probably since I was in high school anything from HBO, he writes mostly short stories to write.


Yes. Uh Yeah. I think almost all of them, I think the one, the big one, the Call of Cthulhu is um that's probably like the most well known and it has like the most influence and um, but I haven't, I know it was a book, but there's a show on HBO now called Lovecraft Country and I guess it's part like I just started last night, I didn't watch it yet, but it's like part horror and then part like it's about the experience of like black americans and it's kind of a mesh of those two.


Oh yeah, mm hmm.


Looking forward to that.


Was H.


P. Lovecraft Black?


No, no, no, in fact, um he is, there's no defending it, but he had some pretty racist views.


Sure.


The reason it's not a defense, but just the reason why was he was raised by some very paranoid. I think it was just his mother, she was very paranoid. She kind of instilled that fear of paranoia in him to the point where he was, he was afraid of black people as he was of like air conditioning and things because he just never encountered it and he uh you know, and that's one of his biggest themes.


Mhm. Okay.


In fact it's, I forget if it's a quote from the story, but he says like the oldest human emotion is fear and the oldest fear is fear of the unknown. So it's kind of interesting how that was him and like his experience. And then also that's just a universal fact. Like if we don't understand something, it's generally like we're afraid of it instead of like welcoming something new or different.


Right.


Yeah.


The other the other you know that that kind of feeling down two, I know myself terrible, wow.


Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And what's interesting is he even wrote a story where the main character thinks he's normal and then he finds out, oh I'm the other, I'm the freak that is scaring people away and when you, like, he died in his thirties or early forties or something. Um and he had other writer friends, like robert Block is one of my favorites. He wrote the novel psycho. Um he's really cool, but he was one of the people who was kind of like, you know, I think your views are just based on your, you know what, you don't know. And so he started to come around later in his life, um which is good and again, it doesn't excuse that other stuff, but it's really interesting and I think it's almost beneficial to see how someone can be like unreasonably scared of something and, and kind of approaching, like, I want to talk to you about like, you know why racism is bad.


Yes.


So let's approach it from the way, like, you don't understand it, you don't understand a group of people.


Yeah. Yeah.


So let's not like freak you out, let's just start finding similarities and then it's like see everybody's basically the same, we all have the same feelings and stuff, it's just a it's an aesthetic ethnic issue that doesn't have any bearing on a person, um their character, their feelings anyway, God, I rambled a lot, telling Sure, Yeah.


Yeah. The world people, yeah. Mhm. No, that's cool, that's cool. Yeah, no, I'm into I'm not I haven't spent read as much like horror and sci fi as I would like to um but I really like, you know, I used to read a bunch of steven Kane and I've watched lots of horror movies. I think the whole genre is interesting. I think it's interesting that the people who like that stuff like the one of the most stable genres of cinema watchers, like you can make a crummy horror movie that cost like no money and they will still make like, you know, some 10 millions of dollars and so you have all the famous actors who they just want to break out and they all you know, so they get better actors sometimes than like other things and especially now because those are kind of like the independent movies because they don't make a lot of like the the indie dramas and stuff, but they just keep making the Indy horrors and the indie um Maybe it's not pure horror about like you know, the scary movies and stuff like that.


Mhm, wow. Yeah.


So I think I think it's really interesting the whole the whole dynamic.


Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


I mean I like the stories too because there's all there's different types you know and everything so um so I was curious. Yeah like what what do you think are like the best, what are your favorite um like or like you know movies?


Mhm Yeah.


Um obviously like re animator, what would be an example?


Mhm The every animators great uh evil that too is one of my favorite john Carpenter's, the thing is awesome um and I love um like italian horror movies, I don't know if you've watched very many of those, but um so like there's a guy named lucio fulci who did um oh man, he will, his most famous one problem, arguably it's just called zombie and if you've ever heard of or seen, that's the one where zombie fights a shark underwater.


I don't know if I know them by that. Oh okay.


Yeah, and it's a real shark, It's crazy.


What?


It's one of the craziest things, but, and then one that really kind of factors into my book is called The Beyond and it's um, it's kind of lovecraft in a way because it's like this doorway to hell and people, it's so hard to describe because italian horror movies almost feel like dream like, and sometimes that uh Italians when they make movies, um, and they've been doing this for years.


Mhm.


This is why I like you watch like the good, the bad and the ugly and it's like why is everything dubbed?


Yeah.


It's because Italians would um film a movie without recording the audio because it's cheaper.


So that's why like even Clint Eastwood looks like he's kind of dubbed and it's because he is, he's dubbing himself. So in, in the italian horror, it everything feels very kind of like dream like and the people are all talking like sometimes a little out of sync and that makes it feel like a dream and then the the kills and stuff are like damn near operatic. They're like over the top, there's like spraying blood weird. Uh it's like it's obviously fake more, but it's also disturbing and like this weird kind of uncanny value.


Uh and I love those. I don't I don't know what well no, I just said what it is that I like. Um But yeah, I'm really not, I'm really not picky. I the biggest sin a movie can uh commit in my view is being boring because I've seen a lot of bad movies that like you said, there's a lot of heart in it and people put their blood sweat and tears and they're doing something happy, they're making something they enjoy instead of being like a cynical um you know, just I'm out to make a buck and everything, it's it's fun and that in comedy or kind of like they have those um reactions, like it's like either you're scared or you're not, you're laughing or you're not and even if you're not scared or laughing, you can still like appreciate it if you're at that level.


Are. Yeah. Okay. You don't want to.


But I think those two things are really divisive just because of how subjective everyone feels about laughter and fear and uh Uh huh Yeah.


Yeah they can be polarizing like some people just have strong opinions about, even if movies are pretty uh low stakes things to have opinions about, so it can still be fun just in the same way that like people like to disagree about sports and stuff like that to. Um But yeah I know what you're saying. It's kind of a yeah I do think it's a train.


Yeah. Comedy is that way too. I don't I don't have as much I mean obviously I have like you know certain movies they're like I I really like like the Judd apatow that whole you know those guys the whole when they made all those movies and stuff like that.


Yeah. Yeah.


But uh yeah I don't know if it is it is really interesting to think about like um you know how you there's so many different ways to like um produced like those things like some people like you say they really are more like top down and then other people like are more bottom up or they have like their somewhat more biographical and then they leave their friends stories and they make them all into the same, you know they tell much stories through the same characters.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


And so I think that's what's cool about it is that there's so many ways to, you know, create something that other people can relate to and doesn't have to be like, you know, part of the thing is like discovering how to make it is like the, you know, the interesting stuff about it.


Yeah. Uh huh Yeah. Well, and I even um I even kind of like struggled for a while and with um like I'd be writing something to go, oh man, this sounds like this thing I like or it's this thing I like and I kind of had to, it took me like a little bit of reading and watching Youtube videos to reassure me like everybody's like, it's going to happen, those things that you like are going to come through in it and unless you're like out to go, I'm gonna rip this off, like that's your, whatever. It's usually just that your subconscious using stuff and you could give to people the same premise and it'll go in like wildly different directions. So I kind of push that away and, and just looked at it more of like, these are my influences and especially in the book, I have all kinds of like movie references and stuff. It's like, it's pretty clear, this is my jam, so I'm not out. It made me feel a lot better that way. So yeah, yep.


That's cool. Yeah, I'm really impressed that. I don't know if I could write 600 pages about one thing that was not uh like, you know, that was totally, I mean maybe I could, but I probably couldn't do it in a very, you know, it probably take me 10 years to do something like that. So you have to really like it. That would be other things. You have to really know what you like and really be super passionate about it.


Yeah, no, I appreciate that. That's, that's um yeah, I appreciate it. And, and part of my worry too was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave my corporate world or whatever you want to call it and start on this.


I really hope I stuck to stick with it and I, I've never worked so hard and so consistently in my life and it just was like, oh yeah, look at when you actually like what you're um yeah, so oh yeah, right.


Yeah. There's a whole whole other level to your perform. I'm like, I'm I'm not, you know, I'm relating to what you're saying as you're talking about it. So I have never written a book, but you know, I started um you know, multiple businesses and um you know, I have done uh you know, like creative things with like software and stuff like that where I felt like, you know, if I solve the problem that was like really hard and there was nothing to do it that needed to be done. And so a lot of the same things kind of apply because you sort of know you're here and this is where you are and it seems really far away and you do a bunch of stuff to go towards it. Sometimes you're like, oh, this is really stupid, like this doesn't work and then you have to like, but then at least, you know, we're not to go or you know like, oh what I really trying to do here is more like this. And so I have, if I have to redo all this and so it's like a whole bunch more work, but you know, because you don't get lucky and just get to find the right path like, you know, the first time.


Yeah, told totally what is it like failure is just practice for success or something like that, like and learning not to, if you do something that doesn't work not to just go well that sucks and throw it away.


But if you did that, it wouldn't be as interesting either because then you wouldn't have the, you know, like the reflection and sort of, you know, the, you know the sort of the question of like what am I actually trying to do here? What did I think I was trying to do? But what I actually want to do and stuff like that. So I think that's that's always like really interesting. It's like a never anything. And so that's why I think it's great. It's like once you do it you can do it over and over and over again and you just get better at it. Mhm. That's yeah do okay, that's what, that's what the one of the guys who started google larry page, he says that People think that you either fail or succeed but really it's hard to fail 100% of something, even if you only succeed 1% you learn something in the 1% so that if you do that over and over again, you add it up in the compounds then it can turn into something.


It's like I'm going to put it aside because maybe I can use it for something else or this will solve a problem that I don't have yet or something and, and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.


That's what they they started google because he had a dream one night about that like um that he could put the entire internet on one computer. So he woke up from his dream and he told one of his friends and you know you won't be able to do that. So he's like, well, let's just try to do it. So they started trying to do it and then eventually they're like, well, what can we do this thing? They turned it into, you know, how can we search it and do a better search and stuff like that? So, uh, but it wasn't like he decided like, oh, I'm going to make a better search engine or something like that. It was just this thing that happened and he just pursued it a little bit more each step and turned into something different than he would have thought that it did. Um, and then, you know, that obviously benefited a whole bunch of other people from, you know, doing that, which is like kind of amazing.


Uh huh.


I mean, would we even behavior able to have this conversation right now if he hadn't done that one thing?


Yeah, totally.


So I don't know.


Right.


Yeah.


Yeah, no, that that's a good point, I didn't think of it that way.


It's kind of weird.


That's really good. I'm not sports guy by any means, but my um, my wife and I watched that Michael Jordan documentary.


Oh yeah.


Uh yeah, yeah.


Last ants. Yeah.