Right mm. Absolutely. And like this that's the thing to do. You have some doctors and some dentists and stuff that will not accept insurance because the insurance company will tell them this is all we're going to pay you and this is all the payment you're going to make for doing this and they commit money charging you and me directly instead of going through the insurance. And that's one thing that I'm seeing now too is like if you have a private insurance are private doctor more likely he's gonna don't take insurance Because he's gonna charge you $2500 for the bill. When if he had run through the insurance, it would have been $10 $15. Like I had that problem, I had that problem when I went to go get a standard checkup, the doctor charged me $250 for a standard checkup and then I went and got done through the insurance and they were like, oh that's a that comes standard with your insurance, that's a free service.


Hello?


You don't pay for a check up every year.


Uh huh.


I'm like, he just charged me, I was like, he charged me $250 to get the free service done. No, that's because he doesn't accept insurance. I was like, okay, that makes more sense now.


I was like, I got out $250 for a free service because that I'm like, that's one thing that you really got to kind of look at nowadays is is the doctor are going to take my insurance and if he isn't why I think what's his reasoning for not taking my insurance and usually it's because they can bill you directly.


But it's because I'm it's strangled. If you go get meds, sometimes they charge you more through the insurance than not through the insurance.


Yeah. Yeah.


So what is that all about?


That's the, well that has to do with the, the suppliers and the and the insurance. And for some reason like I saw it with Medicare to like you would have the exact same drugs, should have somebody had 10 exact same drugs. But if they went to one specific place and got one drug, it was only $10. But if they went to another place it would cost $100 and it was like that down the board. Like you would see it as you went down the line, you would see where, you know, why are these drugs cheaper here specifically and cheaper here.


Well when they're the same route, thank you Harris.


Story. Yeah, it's pretty much like the suppliers as they're getting like walmart or Rite Aid or Walgreens. Some of them are getting a better rate. So then the customers can potentially get a better rate one more time with the $4 prescriptions. uh That was one big thing about it was they were getting better away from their suppliers so they could afford to lower the costs and bring in more customers.


No.


But then you got somewhere that doesn't have as good relationship so they're paying more for the drugs and then charging the customer more for the drug. Yeah, it ends up we all end up paying at the end of the day instead of having one price across the board. Like if I needed uh if I needed Adderall, I should be able to go into five different places and pays the same price.


Oh yeah.


Uh Well it it it just confuses me because then you know what decision to make sometimes it's luck of the draw they're so far away from everything that they don't see it and what you don't see doesn't affect you.


It's a yeah. Oh yeah. Uh huh. I mean when you're playing with people's lives at this point you got people that can't afford their insulin or they can't afford their blood pressure medication and it's all because you want extra money. That's a that's when I take offense to the whole thing is you're literally killing people or forcing playing with their lives to make our Oh yeah.


You know, this is, this is real, but you know, in every area like ceo, some ceos of major companies, they get their bonuses, even when, when there's where their companies are laying off, you know, thousands of people now they don't have a word with vehicles.


Uh huh. He Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Like uh when I started working for Medicare, another company had just bought us out. And they were a uh it was a government contract. So it was a weapons manufacturer that had bought the contract. And within two weeks of mind I looked it up and their stock prices soared, like their stock prices went through the roof. And then we get an email and like the three guys that were at the top of the entire company just up and quit. They were like, yeah, we're out. I was like, yeah, they got rich. I was like, they got rich in life like that. I don't blame me. I was like, I don't blame these guys. Like they got rich in their life. Unfortunately, they made like, you know, millions of dollars and I'm sitting over here happy to make $12 an hour and just, you know, whatever you want, boss. I was like, you know, that's a that's an interesting way to look at it. Like I've never seen that kind of situation where all right, we got paper out and you hear about it, You see it on the news and then see it in real life. It's like, okay, I can't say that blame one might probably do the same, but at the same time, you know, it's it's something you don't want to see. It doesn't put a lot of faith in the company.


Yeah, I don't know, jumping ship because there isn't really a good sense of, of, of uh a faith in each other anymore or of hopefulness for the future.


Right. Well, you can have Yes. Yeah, it's all right.


So I think that also makes people more selfish.


Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I think we're just going to see more of it as we go along. They were gonna on these that's going to improve that, then we're just gonna keep on seeing people being people and it's an unfortunate thing to see.


Yeah.


I loved it.


Oh and you can see it in other societies. I have cousins in Australia and I have cousins in the south of South America.


Yeah, Yeah, yeah.


And uh, and I know people from some states that are failed saying states right?


Yeah. Mhm. Right. Mhm.


People get tired of being, uh, the ones that are the only ones that are paying taxes or uh you know, just seeing other people making it by being crooks and and they're like left behind.


Yeah. Yeah, yep. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Yeah, wow.


So then they end up like becoming corrupt themselves.


Right. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, corruption is a virus really.


They lose hope.


It just, it spreads like it starts, it starts out simple enough and it could be something small, but it grows so quickly and then it really wants to lose your humanity. It's gone, there's really no getting it back. Once you're like some people have some redeeming qualities, but overall, once you lose your humanity, it's really just done. And it's an unfortunate thing to sit back and watch a lot of people that I've known growing up that I had respect for and I'm just sitting back like I can't I came to talk to you anymore. There's just no redeeming quality left to even try to savage.


I don't know.


Yeah. Yeah.


Well, I just feel sorry for the kids because things don't look to be better than in our life.


Yeah. All right. Uh huh. Yeah.


It looks like the future is going to be worse in many ways.


Yeah. Unfortunately. Yeah. And, you know, I've told my parents and my grandparents before, you know, I'm like, you kind of owe me an apology, but because I'm trying to leave the world a better place for my kids, but what did you all do to ever try to do anything better for us? Like, I'm like, you know, you guys like my parents, I'm like, you know, you kind of sat there and there was so much me, me, me me me mentality and then like my brothers and sisters, I see some of that and all of them and I'm like, you know you guys got the wrong mentality. It's not all about me anymore. The world as a whole is gonna need to do better and this whole, me, me, me me me mentality is not gonna gonna make things better, it's just gonna continue that uh that cycle of greed and corruption and they don't really I don't really see it that well. I work for what I got kind of doing. I'm like that's cool and you can keep what you got. I'm not saying take away what you've earned. I'm saying share the wealth. Like if you've got something extra, you got extra time volunteer, if you've got extra money donate, like it's not that hard, you don't have to sit there and hold on to everything forever.


Yeah.


Like a lot of the time I'll, I said there in a portion of what I make often doing little things like prolific. I'll donate to different charities just because you know, it's, it's a little bit extra that I have that I can get.


Mhm.


Like, it's not much but it's something, but if I hold on.


Well, that's my command at all. It's really commendable. I think it depends on how scared a person is.


Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's at the end of the day, like if I needed it, like if I was in need, luckily at this point I haven't needed extra help really government wise or anything. So I'm like at the end of the day, if I needed it in the future, I would like for it to be there and I would like for someone like me to contribute and to try to keep the funds going for it.


Uh I don't need it right now and I got a little bit extra on the side. So I'm, I'll donate a certain amount or if or uh, if my kids do something and do some work and some pork our money or something. I tell them, you know, maybe take a dollar or two and just, you know, donate it somewhere. Like there's plenty of places nowadays where you can look and see a homeless person buy him a cheeseburger, you know.


You have to be careful that you donated to a place that actually uses most of their money for their purpose and not for themselves.


Mm hmm. Mm.


Of course.


Uh huh. Absolutely. Yeah. I got, uh, I mean their kids, all they want is toys and makeup and I'm just like, you know, there's nothing wrong with that. I remember being a kid too and wanting to toys and makeup and things, but you know, it's, it's uh, it's kind of, to me, it's an empathy thing and it's a humanity thing. If you see someone doing worse than you don't step over him and say hey go get a job mom, you try to give them a little boost because that in this day and age I could be you sitting on side of road next.


Well, I have my simple autism and uh, you know, some people can't tell there are people that that have challenges that aren't necessarily right there in your face.


Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yep.


You know? Uh There are lots of people with PTSD there, you know, it's not a physical thing.


Well that is it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.


I remember volunteering at a church and I couldn't one time one guy wanted to fleet there and I said, I can't because the church doesn't let me, they don't have the insurance and also the numbers a little complaint if something like that happens.


Yeah. Oh okay. Oh right.


And he was telling me, you know, because I'm I want a minority.


Uh huh. Yeah. What?


And I'm a guy.


Okay.


Everybody looks at me and says, you're fine, why aren't you working?


Yeah. Yeah, wow.


But we had a series of things go wrong and can fly.


Yeah. Uh huh.


And then he couldn't keep once you're there, he couldn't keep a job.


Uh huh Thank you. Okay. Yeah, I mean that happens a lot.


So yeah, somebody said, you know, we can't help it as human beings judging each other because that's the way we are.


It happens more equipment. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah.


Uh but we can't take our judgments too seriously because we don't know like the american indians used to say we didn't walk in their moccasins, right?


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's uh you know it's one of those things where if you take a moment you walk, take a walk in somebody else's shoes, there's not too much that that separates us really, the biggest separating factor that we have, it really comes down to money. Like money is our biggest division. Like no matter how well educated you are, no matter how much you have, you know And uh there are some people that you know, they're born rich, they're born into the money, they inherit the money. Uh and I know that like my parents weren't bridge, they didn't have money and I'm not gonna inherit anything once they're gone and uh I'm okay with that at the same time with my kids, I'm like you know uh can't take the Bill Gates approach to it. You need to work for yourself and earn what you want, but you need to earn the money yourself instead of waiting around for someone to hand it to like you've got to really if you want something, you gotta go out and get it.


Mhm Yeah.


But it's what are you capable of doing to get to that point, You know? And sometimes that includes you know uh get back to the corruption thing. Some people will see that and to hear that and say something. You know? Well when we get to the top is seven people's throats and then the corruption cycle continues all over again. So finding that balance of I want to earn what I get and deserve what I get and I want to earn what I get respectively versus well, who do I have to screw over to get what I want? And that's uh really much.


And in a way that is healing and and that Lincoln's in them, the idea that you have to be a human being first.


Yeah. Oh yeah. Actually I'm gonna get ready to head out of here in a second. Looks like my youngest one just broke up.


Now, what is the protocol here? I don't remember reading you just say goodbye and you go back to the prolific site or uh what platform are we even on?


What? Mm. Uh huh. Oh I have no idea honestly.


Is this like like zoom or? Right, because it was just click on this, I click on this link.


Um I think I think we want to be accepted here.


Uh huh.


There's a, it looks like on the page they had to link to your instructions. There's a next button. Let's see.


Okay. So we just we just uh we don't have to stop this.


I think so.


We can just uh exit out. Okay. Hopefully it won't continue work running in on our computers.


Let me see here. There's no telling.


Right.


Uh let me see. I'm going through the little survey something now and Uh I'm not sure like uh looking over it, you just have to talk for 25 minutes and then go from there.


Do we not close this and go to the survey now? What kind of task? Right. Your conversation? We did that. Mm.


So you hit next with that path still open and says, how was your technical quality?


Yes man.


Okay. Uh, and it continues. I guess it said that it's going to do 30 minutes of questions.


We're well, there's no way of like breathing it or stopping it.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Oh let's see here. I think our only option is to exit out.


Okay.


It was have a good day.


Well, have a wonderful day.


It was nice to meet you. It was a good conversation.


Yeah. Nice meeting you there.


You have a good one.


And, and, and I hope your family.


No.


Uh, it stays healthy and everything goes well for you all.


Yeah I think absolutely same to you as well. I hope everything comes out. Well you have a good dad.


Hi.


Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes, Yeah, Yeah. Mhm. That's better. Mhm. What? Yeah. Mhm, mm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. Uh huh. Mhm, Mhm. Yeah, I think, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, mm. Mhm. Um I Uh huh Mhm. Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Uh huh. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Mhm. Okay. Mhm, mm hmm.


Mhm. Change. Hello?


Hi, I'm good.


Oh how are you? Sorry, my thumb was right in the way.


How are you?


Um He's been Okay.


Yeah. Mhm.


Well here we are.


Well, here we are doing it.


Where do you lift?


Uh I live in Austin texas. Where do you live?


Oh I'm in Dallas well outside of Dallas in rail left.


Oh, nice, nice. Are you from the area originally?


Yeah. Yeah, I'm from about five miles from here so I never left.


Nice, Nice.


But I think is it true that people in Austin are not from there? I mean most of them.


Okay. Yeah, well, I'm not from here, so I'm from Vermont originally, but it's a lovely state.


Yeah. Okay. Where are you from? Vermont? I want to go there. Mhm. I'm sure.


Um but yeah, most people that I run into here are not from Austin, it seems like there's a lot of people from California, um other parts of texas, but even other tek like Texans are still hard to come by in austin.


Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Well, I don't know what I mean.


Yeah, Yeah.


I know it's a cool place. I haven't been there many times but I mean I've been through there I guess but Dallas, I know texas is a big transplant state it seems like, but because real estate is so cheap here, you can sell your house almost anywhere and then really have a good house here I guess if that's what you want.


Mhm. Right. Yeah so I imagine um that the makeup is different in Dallas and Houston than Austin.


But what do you go ahead? Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.


My impression is that there's a lot more Texans in those areas.


Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Probably, I mean I think Dallas pretty much everyone I grew up, it stayed here you know I I know there's a couple that you see on facebook that you went to school with um that have gone somewhere else but usually it's in texas you know so Texans kind of like texas although why it's so hot and to me there's nothing to see.


Mhm. I mean yeah. Uh huh. Mhm. I really like it down here.


Well I'm sure getting out of the cold is probably the best part.


Oh yeah. Mhm. That's a very good part.


Right? I'm sure.


I have not missed the winters up there.


Yeah.


The winter down here just kind of reminds me of a really prolonged fall in the north where it's like the perfect temperature and it's like just you know kind of breezy kind of crisp.


What? Mhm. If yeah. Oh that would be so cool. Okay. Right. It is you rarely I mean I'm sure that you don't even wear a coat here. I mean there's not really much reason rarely ever even my Children we have coats of course we bottom at every stage but they may have worn them once you know each time it's just to date hot.


I I. Yeah. Mhm. Right. Right. I know. So I've been in in texas since 2015.


Yeah. Mhm mm. Okay.


Um And over that time I've seen snow twice here.


Have you since 2015? I can't remember.


Yeah it's this I mean it only stuck on the ground once and by sticking on the ground there was like a tiny little dusting it.


I don't remember when it was say they're just like you don't know when it was. I do remember it did once but recently. Oh yeah yeah that means that means enough that there's white on top of the dead grass and that's all you see. So what brought you to texas?


Yeah so I'm going to school at U.


Uh Okay you are.


T. Yeah so I'm 28.


That's how old are you? You're 28. Okay.


What are you what are you studying better?


Um I'm just about done my PhD in clinical psychology.


Yeah. Good grief child.


Um So you know so it's almost done and unfortunately I'm moving next month back to the Northeast.


Right. Next word. Are you Yeah.


Yeah and my uh my husband and I we were kind of like debating, do we stay in texas?


All right okay. Okay.


Do we move out of Austin?


Yeah.


Because we really like some of the like towns that are outside of Austin like bash drop and and dripping springs and stuff.


Mhm. Yeah. Right okay.


Um Or do we go back northeast to where our families are? Because my family's all in Vermont and his family's all in massachusetts, so we're gonna we're gonna go back to family.


Yeah. Yeah. So you're going what does he do?


Uh He's a civil engineer.


I would go back to family. You can never I mean you you can just of course I just lost my mom last friday.


Yeah, I'm so sorry.


And uh I'm too it's been a she was 85 she was you know, lived a full life, but it's never enough time, you know, So um Mhm.


Mhm.


It's been it's been a tough time. So of course I would say go be with your parents while you have your parents, you know, one or both.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah wow.


It it will make a difference in your life. I have a sister who moved away at I mean as soon as she can get out, she left at age 17 and she's lived all over the US. She got married, her husband sold clothes and traveled um and she came back after 40 years, you know, but she missed a lot, you know, and I'm sure that she has a lot of and she does have a lot of experiences that I never had, but I was more of the home body, you know, me with mom and dad.


Uh but it's you know, she has often said, you know, I I'm moving back because I lost so much time, so you just don't know, you don't know and I'm so fortunate to have my parents this long.


Oh yeah.


It is, you know, not many people can probably say that I'm 54 years old, you know, um but it's a very, very important thing if you're close to your family at all and it looks like you are, sounds like you are so it's it's important.


Yeah. Yeah it's a my like my folks and I had a really rocky kind of relationship when I was younger and in high school and kind of like trying to break their control over me and everything and and then for college I left I went to college in Canada just to like get away um and then I came down here and it's been nice, but like the more that um like my husband, I don't have any kids, but you know, we would like to eventually and stuff and just the idea of there being grandparents and like and aunts and uncles and cousins, like I was really close with my cousins growing up and um there's there's so much that kind of comes with being around family that is easy to forget when um you're just one person like it's just kind of been meaning for the past 10 years, you know?


Go ahead. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, sure that was my, that was my oldest sister. Yeah, wow, no, mm hmm. Yeah, thank you. But wow. Yeah, thank you. It's true. It is true, yeah, this is very, very, yeah. Uh huh. Mhm Sure, sure, right, but when you if you bring another being into it, it is, I think it's important, you know, for like you said, your cousins, I um I grew up with my cousins, I can't imagine not, you know, having, but you know, the kids are of course people say kids are resilient, they can't make it through everything that doesn't shape their future, but you know, they'll they'll have friends, but it's it's a wonderful thing to be close to grandparents and you know, blah blah blah.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


But it is true, it's true.


Do you have any kids?


I have three sons of one who's 28 birthdays today.


Oh happy birthday to him?


Yes, he's he is 28 he's autistic, so he still lives with us and uh but he's great kid, very compassionate, very um Mhm.


I don't know that he wants so badly to move out and move on, but I don't know that he'll ever have, I don't know, there are things he does know that I never thought he would do, you know, accomplishing things in his life, But um then I have a 24 year old, almost 25 he I have quite a lot suffers from severe depression, so he has never um left the homework and then I have a 17 year old son through son and he is home driving me crazy from high school.


Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Oh my gosh, good for you. Mhm. Mhm, mm.


But he he and I are very close, we're a lot alike, the sense of humor.


Uh huh.


Um but he has a a disease that I passed to him. So all three of my sons each have a you know what whatever you want to call, okay their their own little thing.


Their own little thing that they're dealing with.


So it's uh you know I grew up with it, it's called hypothesis two minutes rickets in old terms.


Yeah.


Um But you know it's the older I've gotten it disabling more, but you know each one of them, you know you try to teach them how to navigate life with. Mhm. That I don't want to see a disability. Two of those you can I guess. Well, I don't know if they're all disabilities or what, but I try to tell them everybody has something that may not look like it. Everybody has uh something even though it may not be to you, I guess for much I'm sick.


Mhm.


It may not be something that you think is that uh bed, you know, there's always something in someone's life that shapes who they are and and it's a negative thing.


Yeah, absolutely everything really.


I don't know what I'm trying to say.


Yeah, no I totally agree everybody has a hurdle and I think that can be something that's that's really easy to overlook, especially when someone's going through their own struggle, it can really feel like they're going through it alone.


Mm Thank you. Mm. It is look Mhm. All right.


Um And so I wonder how much with each of your boys kind of having his own personal hurdle, how much that can also be sort of a bonding thing for them that you know really seeing that they're not alone even though something about them, it's different from the other person that they also have their own challenge.


And and that's true. Mhm. Right. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, mm hmm. Right. They do. And the the two that aren't autistic, the younger ones really, you know, they they're very helpful and and they each have learned to deal with them because these are sometimes but uh you know I think the best thing if there's any good thing that's come out of it is they're both so compassionate and in a way that people who have not been exposed to that that only they can understand, you know?


Mhm, mm. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


So there there is something and and two I've just found I don't know I came to this realization when he was in grade school that you know, disabilities are so a lot easier to deal with when they're physical and people can see it but it's mental illness then it's a lot harder to take into be patient with sometimes.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, mm. Okay. Mhm.


You know, you just can't you can't see that they're not in a wheelchair. The compassion isn't I'm not saying it's not there but it's not obvious so.


Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah.


Mhm. That's interesting, mm.


Yeah. It would it would make I imagine that it would make people have to pay more attention, have to um you know take a moment to recognize that something might be different as opposed to having that q right there in front of them.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Right. Yes. Right right right in front of them and and some people won't get past you know the first threshold enough to recognize it, you know and and but I've learned as a human a lot of times week we don't give everybody that that chance.


Like you're saying like being in a wheelchair totally. Yeah okay.


You know we start the judgment early on you know and and just the small things when uh we may never know but I've learned to always give the benefit of the doubt or I think I do you know I'm trying to and that's what I try to teach the boys.


Mhm.


You don't know what where somebody came from that day. You have no idea where they walked. So don't judge you know try to uphold your you know your values and and think of them as it were as if it were you know someone that you knew they had a hard day.


You know All right.


Everybody, people can be rude and he works in a grocery store. You know, he will come home and people are so rude to, you know, and I'm just like, I know honey, but uh, you know, so just take it and go on, take it and and consider that maybe they have someone at home that's sick. You know, I don't know what to say.


Mhm. We don't know what they're going through that made them lash out like that or act that way.


But no, you don't. No, no, you don't unfortunately. But everybody does it. We may not want to admit it.


I think we do it sometimes, you know over the phone or whatever unless you're just an exceptional person and there probably are.


Yeah. Uh huh. I wish I were.


I do too. I wish I didn't get so irritated, angry and impatient.


Uh huh.


But I don't always. But anyway, mm hmm.


Well it sounds like you're really doing the best you can to build their self esteem and teach them morals and yeah.


Right. Well I can. But uh, we try. It's not always easy.


It's not, but it's a challenge, but it's life I'm figuring out life is not, it's I'm not sure it's fun.


Yeah. Yeah I know there are those people that look incredibly happy and like they have everything and kind of bringing it back to what you were saying before that everyone's got their own hurdle and you know there are a lot of those people that seem so perfectly content from the outside that really are struggling on the inside for who knows why?


I used to, I used to think that's what it was supposed to be. You know, and the older I get after you walked the road, I guess for some, well for some people, maybe it is. And for some people, I just think, I guess it's the outward view of what, what I'm projecting onto their life. How much not money, but you know how they look so happy and yeah, but they do have a hurdle. That's true. For who knows why what is your thesis over or we're not not as thesis.


What's it called?


The high desert.


Dissertation?


Yeah, same thing. Um I was looking at the impact of hormonal birth control on women's sexual function um because so much research has paid attention to just the contraceptive aspects and how, you know, if we change people's hormones then they won't get pregnant.


No. Oh yeah, that's true.


But hormones are also really important to women having satisfying sex lives.


Mm hmm.


And so I'm trying to kind of bring some research to the fact that it just seems like women's sexuality has been really kind of repressed and pushed down and you know women because they're the ones that get pregnant, they carry the burden of contraception and a lot of cultures and um and these hormones are doing things to our bodies that were not really counselled on because we don't know what the effects are on our.


All right. Oh yeah. Beat. And and you won't talk about it.


Exactly.


You're not going to talk about it. I mean it takes a very well, I don't know if it's confident if it's what, but it is not something you're going to go in and sit with your account Ecologist and say, I want to have, you know, you're, you're not going to talk about that.


Exactly. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


You don't want to be weirdo or whatever.


Yeah.


So that's interesting.


And so part of part of what I'm in this group of um people that are trying to disseminate all of this information to gynecologists and come up with educational um like little programs that gynecologist and general practitioners can take part in so that they learn how to ask their patients.


Mhm, mm. Brown. Mhm.


Like yeah.


That yeah.


Hey, have you been struggling with low desire?


Uh huh.


Like how are things going in your relationship? Because just like patients are often uncomfortable asking those questions, providers are also often really uncomfortable.


Mhm. Mhm. I'm sure that they are. I'm sure, you know, I hadn't even thought of that. I mean, I know it's, it's, I figure for them it's very textbook and okay.


Right?


I ask you this question, but I have had one asked me or you know, occasionally, but I, I never answer truthfully.


Oh.


I mean, I'm not gonna, you know, I didn't then just was just, I didn't want to be seen as, mm hmm.


Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. And I think like whether you're going to answer truthfully is really going to depend on um how serious how um curious your provider really seems like if you're talking with them and they approach this.


Mhm, mhm. Right.


Not in a textbook way of like and house desire, house vaginal dryness.


Right.


How's this and that?


Right, mm hmm.


You know? But it seems like they really care about you and that's why because going to be a psychologist, not an MD.


Right. Go okay.


And so we're trying to bring some of this psychology perspective into, you know, the more medical fields so that they can ask questions that are really important to people's health and people feel comfortable answering.


Mhm. Right. That is true. That's a huge scope. It is. I never I never knew anyone ever would have would study that. You know, it is amazing that it has, it has not been um a top subject, you know, half of the world's women or I guess, I mean theoretically it behalf of women.


Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Okay.


So how how is it not?


Uh huh. How come people have not yet advocated for themselves as sexual beings, you know, and their sexual health and things that people do, They alter their body through hormones, because pregnancy prevention is foremost on a lot of people's minds instead of um you know, having a good sex life and still being able to, you know, experience pleasure.


Right, mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah, sure. Right, mm hmm.


Which is generally been something that we leave to the men I am.


It sure is. It is. And it's often in in the busier you get with Children, you know, and your job. That's just the last thing. You know, if it I'm saying if it were if it were a product of the hormones or whatever, you don't even have time to think about that.


Yeah. Mhm.


You know, So, so what a wonderful thing to be able to experience that. I mean, it would make it totally different if you knew that that was gonna be a great part of your life that you could just um transfer over to for an evening.


Right. Yeah.


You know, it's it's just life gets really carried, so, mm hmm.


Yeah. Yeah. And I um so I talked with a lot of women throughout some of my studies and stuff and I hear these kind of the descriptions that you're alluding to, where there are some people that say like it's this chore and I dread it, but I feel like I need to do it because, you know, my husband really wants it.


Mhm. Yeah. Yes. Mhm. Right. Right. Yeah, sure.


And so I put up with it and then there's these other people that are like, I come home from a long day of work and then my husband and I get to have sex and it just resets me, you know, and it's its connection and and so I really like.


Right. Yeah. Mhm. Everyone should be able to have that and we should be able to fill the freedom to to ask for that, that is sure.


Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And I think that's that's something that is limiting right now, is that because of our history, you know, women's um not being considered the important sex and, you know, our sexual identities even more so, not being considered crucial, are having to kind of stand up for ourselves to figure out how we can get that pleasure back.


Mm. Mhm. Right, right.


So, no, they're content.


Well, it's gonna be a woman doing it. It's never gonna be so good going girl get going.


Thanks. So that's sort of where I'm trying to go.


Oh it yeah, mm that's that's great.


I really hope that um you know, I'll be able to use the experience in the education that I've got to be able to start um you know, helping women feel like they can advocate for themselves as sexual beings.


That's really great.


Mhm.


So when will you finish, when do you finish your college or your?


That's okay. So I am, I'm all done with the school portion of it, but before we technically graduate, we do one year residency where we go to a hospital and we do therapy for for different things and stuff like that.


Mm hmm. Mhm. Yeah, wow. Oh yeah, okay, okay.


And so that's what's bringing my husband and I up to New England. So I'm gonna go there for my residency and then I officially graduate next spring and we'll be able to apply for jobs.


Oh good.


So I know, I know, I don't know how long we're going to be in this weird world.


Well, hopefully it'll be a normal world or it's got to be at least halfway normal. It's got to be something better than this. All right. Uh huh. I don't know. I get at first I thought, you know, I guess ignorance and hope, you know, I was thinking, oh, you know july and now the reality slaps in the face. I'm like that's a foolish thought. You know, it's not going to be july, it's probably not going to be this year, you know?


Yeah. Uh huh. Okay.


I don't know, but and really odd.


No schools don't even know if they're going to reopen in the fall.


That's what's killing me. I mean, I just I didn't realize I didn't even I think that it would spill over to how how they modeled the school year, the coming school year. It didn't cross my mind, literally.


Yeah.


So wow, no, he could care less.


Yeah. So how's how's your 17 year old doing with it with this all this ambition, Right.


He was done after spring break when we had we went to spring break, March, whatever Middlemarch, and then they extended it a week and then after that, before that week was over they called and said it's gonna be two more weeks and then we'll make a decision you know, So it was kind of delaying and I think you know his um I guess algebra teacher text me and I said hey your son is work.


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah.


I'm like so sorry at that point you know my mom was in the hospital and he I just said well you know to be real honest he's kind of checked out. He's kind of he said most of them have which made me feel a little better but now with all of you know my mother in the hospital and then her passing away and all of that he's way behind.


So I don't know I am gonna I guess write an email to his teachers and tell them what's going on.


But I am trying to make him you know finish everything but we get a an email stating all the missing assignments and it's a few lines. So he's got some work to do and he doesn't care. You know I did tell him a couple of days ago.


He never liked to talk about it. Of course.


Mm.


Why would you why would you want to talk about that? Um So so in voluntarily he had to talk about it. But I told him that you know, we we did get information that said you'd hate for your child to lose a whole school year.


You know? And and it would uh he makes A. And B. So I think even he his reasoning is that if he fails uh what six weeks or semester it'll be okay because it'll all average out, you know? And and maybe it wouldn't do again.


Yeah. Yeah.


I can't say it wouldn't but he could care less.


He could care less.


Mhm. Yeah.


But what?


I'm sure he's got so much that he's trying to, you know, wrap his head around from his grandmother passing away to the whole world, kind of shut down right now.


Mhm. He is. Yeah. It is, isn't it? It's just a strange I mean I'm twice your age. I've never seen anything like this. I mean I guess no one has unless you were in the 1918 pandemic. I'm sure it didn't look like this anyway. But it's just weird.


It's weird.


It's freaking weird. Is what it is.


Yeah. And I'm glad at least that I'm like not not to say that your 17 year old as a kid by any means, but I feel like the older that you get when you're going through, the more you're able to rationalize, the more you are able to understand and just different.


Yeah. No. Oh yeah. Yeah. It is. Yeah. We think, yeah. He he kind of I think parcels things out. I'd like to say not shallowly. He's a very good thinker, but I know what you're saying and I'm glad that it has happened now. You know? It is. I'm I I wanted to be for the adults, so to speak.


Mhm.


You know, he's still living here obviously under our care and all he has to worry about is his school work.


Yeah.


You know, and I'm thankful for that you can't protect them forever.


Good.


But I will as long as I can you know I will I will as long as I can.


Well I guess we're at the end of our time I've certainly enjoyed what's your name?


Yeah. Uh huh Ariel, what's your name, Phyllis?


Ariel. I'm Phyllis nice to meet you too.


It's really nice to meet you. This is really enjoyable.


I've totally enjoyed it and good luck with your studies. I hope that next year is normal for you and no sure it's just another day for me.


Thank you. And same to you and good luck with everything you've got going on and again, send my condolences about your mother.


But thank you it um She was the best mom. She she was. Everybody thinks they're there is but I can say unbiased sure she was the best but we were best friends and uh sure it is.


Yeah. Uh huh. That sounds like a really special relationship.


She is sorely missed.


Sure. Yeah. Well I'm you know, I'm glad that you get to have those feelings then and that you get to miss her because you had a good relationship because well I look forward to that for, you know that's it's okay you're going through so much I am can't imagine.


Yeah. Mhm. I know I thought what if I didn't and it wouldn't be as painful but everyone says after the grieving you know the memories will be forefront so yeah I look forward to that you know I'm sorry sorry sorry. Um Yeah mm me neither.


So you hang in there and you know, just appreciate the relationship that you had with your mom because you know, not everybody is as blessed to be able to say that they were best friends with their mom and that sounds so nice.


Didn't think I would. I will thank you so much Ariel. What I do. No. Yeah. Yeah it was a wonderful thing it was.


Yeah.


Thank you very much Ariel.


All right. Have a good rest of your day.


Yes you too.


Bye.


No, I guess I just wait for her to kick on and she must appear no. Okay.


Hello?


Mhm. So Yeah.


Yeah. All right. I got you. I got you. Can you see me full screen or kitty box?


Yes yes. I'm I'm in the tiny little thing for me.


Okay. And for you I see your full screening nicely.


Mhm. Mhm. Right.


Me on a tiny little box. All right.


Uh If.


Have you ever done this before?


No, no.


You know he so where do work name or what do you go?


Okay. My name is Ian Yeah.


Yeah.


Ian. What's yours today?


Story.


Okay. Hello?


Hi.


Uh huh.


Nice to meet you.


Oh you too? So yeah, going on today.


Yeah, the car kind of you know I'm gonna go see my granddaughter later.


You got anything fun going on today other than your prolific. Mhm.


She called me up last night and she said do you have she noticed that we bought strawberries you know strawberries over there and uh uh strawberry shake?


Right. Mhm. Okay. Oh yeah.


And then my son said well I don't have a blender. I'm like what happened here?


I wonder. Well anyway, long story short on that.


She calls me up like eight o'clock last night and she shouldn't have even known we had it.


But she must have seen it refrigerator.


Mhm.


You have a blender so I can make a shape and I'm like, um I do, but I'm not going to bring it over tonight anymore.


Yeah. Mhm.


And she's like, oh I want to just losing. And I said I'll bring it tomorrow after my video conference. You should go. So that's pretty much what I'm gonna do is hang out. What about you?


Um I'm probably going to go to a park and place in Pokemon del and other than that I have um I'm in college right now. Um I go to a community college but due to the pandemic, it's all online I have I think I need to do for my physics class and I need to get that done today.


Oh yeah. Oh yeah.


Probably should have gotten it done a long time ago. It's been assigned for like three weeks but I'll get it done today increased.


Quiet. Oh mom. Now you don't have a voice?


Yeah exactly.


Yeah. Uh huh.


It's always uh like I look at the assignment I think that doesn't seem like it'll take that long. So why should I do it now?


Uh huh.


Uh Yeah so I'm planning to go for product design because no.


It's going to take either than I thought. Right, what do you go on for? Yeah. Uh huh. Okay. Cool.


Yeah. What do you do?


Uh 30 more.


Yeah.


I'm on disability.


Okay.


I got rear ended from somebody that was texting believe it or not at a stop sign with police directing traffic.


Mhm. Yeah.


It's like, what were you thinking?


Yeah. What?


You know? So that put me on disability.


So I just I work part time because I can do that uh Otherwise just too busy though.


But mm. Oh yeah.


I still busy so Yeah and I plan to procrastinate on things to only because I got time to christ now you know?


Okay. That's fair. Right. Oh okay. Yeah it's that's Yeah.


Mhm. Life is good though. It's really yeah. Now how long have you been on prophylactic? Is that how you say it? Right.


Uh Yeah I so I started when the pandemic started because I you know needed a little bit of extra money and I did it a lot for like two months.


Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Right.


And then I kind of just I kind of lost interest and then I'm just now getting back into it.


Yeah. Yeah. Well I see that it's it's weird because you can only do one at a time.


Yeah. Mhm.


You can't last night usually I quit at night but I heard my little digger thing gold three times it went on and I thought what are they doing coming in on a friday night at eight o'clock or whatever and I looked at them and there was three different ones but you can only click one and do it at a time right?


Yeah. Yeah. No. Uh huh. Well. Uh huh. Mhm. Yeah. What? Okay.


Yeah and so that's kind of like oh so you can't you know there's two good ones you can't and there they're so far and few between. It seems like I've only been doing it though for a couple of months.


Mhm.


I'm pro filic. So but I like it because it's easy it's you get paid well. Did that?


Yeah. Yeah it definitely does. Generally what I've noticed is I'll go like all day and not get a single survey and then all of a sudden a bunch will show up.


Yeah and then they lose them because while you're doing one a couple more, you know then people start doing them and then it's like oh no I don't have any and you know where have you do you do any other crowds?


Mhm. Oh you know, can I have it?


What the out started? I had years ago I kind of got for an amazon account and you know pennies on the pennies and pennies so I made about eight hours, you know and then I just let it sit there for about three years and then I had surgery so I'm off work and we don't get paid.


Uh huh. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


So I thought, why don't we just try that again and see how that goes.


Oh.


It's a, they are learning curve huge and I'm high, I'm still learning, but it seems like anything that's over 50 cents or a dollar ones.


Uh huh. Oh okay. Yeah. Uh huh.


I mean they get snatched up so quickly for me and good item, but I'm in what about 553 months, which isn't bad for just doing some surveys.


Mhm. Yeah. Fine. Yeah. No wait.


The problem is what hurts is if you get a rejection and I've got rejections over stupid stuff like a penny.


Mhm. Mhm.


I'm thinking I'll do this, do the favor and I'll do it for a penny and then reject me for some stupid thing.


Uh huh. Yeah.


And it's like, are you serious?


Really? Yeah.


You know?


How stingy are they with how they do in the face?


Yes. Right. Yeah, I know. And it's like, you know, I've written a lot of them like I really don't feel this reduction was legitimate and I'd give him a reason and it's a legitimate reason why like, oh, I don't know what happened last time.


Oh yeah.


Oh, you're busy doing and it disappears on you. Okay, now you got to return it or it's going to show an abandonment, abandonment hurt, so you return it and then they give you a rejection.


Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm.


It's like, why, why would you reject it? It's not my fault that it disappeared.


Yeah.


It just just, you know, something like that, that it's kind of like you're in the, the people that hire you or the people that do when you're in there hands.


Yeah. Thank you.


It's, you know, you gotta be really careful with it too, but hopefully it won't be forever, but it's kind of nice for some extra money or my transmission went out in my truck, so you need a lot of money, can't find anyone that does that.


Uh huh. Mm. Mhm. Uh huh. Right.


Um, uh huh.


I said, boy, if you're ever going to get into a, an area that you want to just pick up money, sometimes it's transmissions because ethics sensitive, you know, I just need, well, they got a poem usually, but 2200 bucks just to fix a leaking, um, uh, steals is leaking.


Yeah. Right. Ah. Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh. Oh. Oh wow, mm hmm.


And then they said, you might go through the torque converter while you're at it because they already got the engine out and it's like $2500.


That's all labor, you know, and I thought, boy, that'd be a good one to get into because nobody does it on the side and you know, other stuff people can, but you know, bodywork, you can always find someone and mechanics, you can always find somebody how they do it at home.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. What not?


Not transmissions. I even got a cousin that does body work.


Uh huh. Uh huh.


We've been in the business for 30 years and then his dad was in the business.


Uh huh.


He doesn't know anybody that those transmission on the side either.


So it's like welcoming me good one.


No what?


But what's up with you or why?


So I was so I yeah I started prolific at the start of the pandemic when I got furloughed from my job. I worked as a feeder manager. Uh huh I was a manager at a movie theater.


Oh, okay. Fine.


Yeah. And I don't I don't know if you've seen all this stuff in the news. Movie theaters are not doing movie figures are very negatively affected by this.


I don't, yeah.


Right. A lot of it would not surprise me if there are a couple years before there are movie heaters again after this pandemic.


Uh, see, I know that ones are an opening and I thought about that the other day.


Oh mm hmm.


People movie theaters.


Yeah.


Um, do you have any driving fingers fight?


Uh huh. Right.


Where do you live?


Uh huh.


Like michigan or?


I'm in north Carolina.


Okay. Do you have Dr ends up there?


I think there I think there is like one I no one I know a couple are opening because of those are doing very well.


Yeah. Well, yeah, because you know, growing up and then when my kids were growing up, we were always at the drive in because you could, however many people you can spit, you know, and take your own food.


Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


You didn't have to buy it from the junk and someone got tired. They could go to school. I mean it was perfect and I noticed they opened one with about 40 minutes from our house again minutes and they're booming because people can't the only movie theaters and people love to go to the movie theaters.


Uh huh. What? Mm hmm. Yeah they do, yeah.


Uh So are you gonna if you're opens go back or are you just gonna Yeah mm.


Mhm. So I I know so I know for a fact that the one I was working at is close for good, it was small, it hadn't made a profit in a what in a like a couple of years so I get it.


Yeah. Yeah.


So then I got transferred to the theater I started at before I got moved to the managerial job I had at this one and then that one uh regal which is the one I worked for.


Yeah mm.


Just decided to that they are ending all operations in America. Um They say temporarily I think that's gonna change, I think it's going to be permanent. And now AMC is like in the news saying that if if something doesn't change by the end of the year they're gonna go bankrupt and Cinemark is also not doing well.


Oh or maybe ever.


So all theatres, I don't I don't think there's going to be movie theaters for a while.


Maybe they yeah.


That's also possible. Like the big thing killing us is that like the like obviously those are big buildings, places that rent is expensive like in malls and shopping centers and they've been charging that rent all through the pandemic. So like the one I originally worked at and the one I was going to go back to their rent is over 100,000 month.


Oh my God how could they even pay it when the doors are closed?


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. And so so I yeah, I don't see a way that movie theaters are going to come back, take so much money to open that, you know?


Mm I don't think so. Mhm. Yeah it's kind of like a it's gonna be because of this a dime dying not blue but you know that you'll look back and tell your kids you know when I was growing up we used to work at no you know it's kind of sad you know it's more than kind it's very sad.


Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Right. Uh huh. Oh. Mhm. Mhm. I loved my job with either. Um It was my first job I started when I was 17, I worked there for three years because I loved it.


Yeah. Mhm. Mhm.


Like I got along with my boss, I got along with everyone, I liked the work on slow days. I got to just go in and watch movies.


Yeah.


Um I like, I thought I thought it was very likely that just because I get bored very easily that like even when I have like an actual career I'd go and work on like Sundays or Saturdays at the theater, but uh that's probably not going to happen now.


Right for life Yeah. Yeah. No. Well you know they say find a job that you love and you'll never have to work another day in your life and that's true if you really think about it you know?


Yeah. Eddie.


But I mean who would have ever thought in a million years something like this would happen. No no one, you know it's like and it's affected so many things because I can't remember what it was.


Uh huh. Yeah.


I drove past oh the pet store shop, I didn't ask one of them yesterday and I'm like oh my God they're gone.


Mhm.


It's totally closed up you know and it's they couldn't make it their little you know people want to still open but it's now my job my part time job stayed open through the whole thing because it was considered of I don't know what they called it, I can't remember but we met food so a needed thing you know?


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Uh huh. Okay. Yeah.


But I don't really like that. It's too cold freezers like so it's too cold but they stayed open.


Yeah. Uh warmer.


But even that was affected because of restaurants and you know all of that now.


Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Oh.


Can you bring this her epidemic was I know, I feel that it's some of it, not all of it, but some of it is over exaggerated because people are getting so many perks from it.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Oh. Uh huh. Uh huh. Mm.


Companies like I've read where the to Rome their funeral companies, they did aged so much money after that what it was but so much money per death if it's covid.


Mhm. Mhm. Oh yeah.


So everything was getting written on covid for like seeing different things.


Okay.


Do you think some of it's just kind of exaggerated or is it real bad by you yet?


So. Uh huh. I don't know, I I'd say that like if 10% of it is exaggerated, that's still a million deaths worldwide.


So I say that's so pretty serious and while wealth places like funeral homes, they do get that bonus, like think about how like so many businesses were work ended by this.


Mhm, yep.


So I don't uh I think it all has to be pretty real because it hurts way more than a benefit. It hurts way more powerful people than it benefits.


Yeah, that's true.


I I don't I've never been like a super hard political person. I think after the pandemic, there's anyway our president is going to be reelected, like whether it's his fault or not.


Mhm.


I think a lot of people will see a lot of it as his fault.


Yeah, I think that, see I'm I'm see I've never been politically.


Well, all right. Yeah. Uh huh.


I just I go with my gut, I go with life. You know that kind of thing.


Wow.


What I feel little things that maybe I've read about.


All right, mm. All right.


And my my son had said to me this first, this last election, not this one but the last one when trump was he said, you know what mom, I'm not even gonna vote this use.


Uh huh. Mhm, mm hmm.


I don't like either one of them. And I said, okay, I said you don't have an option on that because you were born in a free country and you can vote so you will vote.


Yeah. Okay. Mhm.


But I'm not gonna tell you what to do. But I'm going to ask you a question and he said, okay, shoot.


Mhm. Uh huh Uh huh.


I said now there's two kinds of people in the world. There's people that will tell you everything you want to hear because they think it's what you want here and members people that will tell you right to your face.


Yeah.


I don't agree with you. I don't like it and Mr Mountain missing that, you know, whatever.


Yeah. Uh huh.


But you know that some what kind of person do you gravitate to?


Yeah. Yeah.


Or do you like when you hang out with people are in school or whatever, do you like the ones that tell you everything you want to hear and agree with you with everything instead of just so you know what, we're going to have to agree to disagree because I don't agree with what you're saying.


All right. Yeah. Okay. Right. So when you mhm Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


What kind of person do you like?


And he said all right, and that was it. We never talked about it again.


Oh yeah.


He had a chance. Well, when I look at all of this that's going on, I think this is gonna be one of the closest worst elections ever compared to what happened when he was elected.


Yeah. People. Yeah, I am mm mm.


I mean, it's like, come on, you know what? The people chose him, He's going to be the President of the United States, quit crying about it.


Uh huh. Yeah. Mhm. Yeah.


All of us have one and all of us have lost different elections on people we want to deal with it.


Uh huh.


Don't go set fires and beat people up and do whatever crazy people are doing okay.


Well, yeah.


So let me see all of this with I didn't even watch the whole thing, but I saw not to catch up when trump was on his first debate with Biden and Biden turned it around onto a instead of a social issue with what's going on with the terrorism in the country and just everything we planted onto the hook, looks climbing type of thing.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Number hey? Mhm. Right. Oh, Mhm. Yeah.


So you can do with any or white supremacists. what do they do with what you guys are even talking about?


Mhm. Yeah.


Nothing.


Hey.


You're trying to sidetrack.


Right.


They make people think that he, you know, and that kind of thing.


Yeah.


And then the other thing that really bothers me about the whole thing is that my husband before he died was really sick for a long time.


Oh yeah. Yeah. Uh huh.


Well, he couldn't leave the house. So you had to go through a lot to get him to be able to vote by mail.


I'm Mhm.


It wasn't just, Oh, yeah, you want to do that?


Oh yeah.


Okay. I mean, he had to get paid for sign from the doctor and just different stuff. And because they wanted to make sure before people being lazy and just when I go to the polls, but we build it.


Yeah. All right. Yeah. Mhm. Oh.


Um, I think three elections by mail before he died. Well, wow, they're really pushing this because of Covid.


Mhm. Yeah. Mhm Man.


and I really think there's an underlying reason for that.


Oh sure. Yeah.


I believe that I honestly I believe that democrats are trying to they want in and they want mhm get both within the country as we know it in the one we're doing here.


Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. Thank you. Oh. Mhm. Mhm. Uh huh. Mhm.


You're not going to live like we live now because that group, not just because they're democrats, but that group of people want socialism to come in.


Yeah. Hi. Oh yeah. Mhm.


And I don't think the younger people don't really understand, but we could end up like Venezuela and it can clip.


Yeah, I mean so I think that if joe biden wins just looking at joe biden himself, I don't know how much will change because joe biden does not stand for anything and is like, like all the ads for joe biden, they're not about joe biden there, hey don't vote for donald trump.


So Uh huh.


There's this guy who has no opinions, just not donald trump.


Right.


But I think if joe biden doesn't change a lot, I think the next election, that's when someone like Bernie Sanders is going to win because I feel like a lot of younger people that are worried that don't like the current political stuff, how like everyone's funded by big businesses and all that stuff, they realized that it was not a Republican issue and it was not a democrat issue, it was just a all the politics are like this, so Yeah.


Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I agree with that. And, you know, I think the way I look at it with this is, I mean, I'm old.


Yeah. Yeah.


You know, so I've been through a lot of elections and as I look back through the years, there's I think a lot of them can be bought trump, can't be bought.


yeah. Mhm Yeah yeah yeah.


He's got so much money, he doesn't need their money.


All right. Mhm.


He doesn't need, like if someone says, well you got to do it this way. No, I don't go ahead, hold your money.


Mhm. Oh my God I would so I'd say the thing with that is well I don't think donald trump I mean it can be bought or needs to be bought.


Yeah.


I think the people around him him I think a big part I think I think that a lot of people who would decide to work with him politically are doing it for money so mhm Yeah yeah yeah mm right.


Oh yes. Yeah, I agree with that. And I think that's a lot why he's gotten rid of people, you know, different reasons that untrustworthy, whatever. Uh um I know a lot of people say, well, he tweets that he does this and that. Yeah, I think he just wants the people to know the truth. And the president has always been told, you don't say too much, you don't, you know, kind of sweep it under that rug a little bit.


Mhm. Mhm.


Be quiet. He's a big mom.


I'm I am all I'm fine with like I'm fine with the twitter because I don't I don't think like if you have a specific job you shouldn't be allowed to have opinions.


That doesn't make sense to me. Like when a celebrity comes out and says something and everyone's like just stick to whatever you do it's like so what jobs are allowed to talk about politics? What what does bother me is like when he announces stuff that should be like an actual like press release from the president and he just does that by his twitter because like I I don't want to follow him because I don't care about a lot of bloody tweets, like I don't like I don't care when he goes on a long rant about saturday night live, which I don't know why they make such a big thing of bullying him.


Right. Yes, I know. Uh please.


Um I don't I don't care enough to to read that, but then he'll the next tweet will be something that should be like an actual press release and I just I don't like that rants about saturday night live and then actual press release stuff are on the same platform.


Mhm. Right. But do you think that it's because and I believe it's true too, but he really believes that the truth doesn't get through the press. Like it used to like before reporters would be like, they swore like a doctor does to secrecy that they would tell the truth and now they just kind of whoa, stuff out.


Yeah. Uh Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh so I'd say that what reporters have, what what the world has learned through this and I'd say kind of the end of the last couple of years of President Obama's presidency, is that the truth can mean a lot of different things like like like what you mentioned with the white supremacy comment, he was asked will you disavow white supremacy?


Yes.


And he said I don't remember exactly what he said, but like he did not exactly say I disavow white supremacy, so the people who don't like him can report that he refused to say that, do you like him can be like he didn't say that he said this which can be taken the same way and it's not it's not that either, either side is lying, it's not that either side is not telling the truth there, just not saying the whole truth.


Right. Mhm. Yes. That that which is the he said she said right, saying the truth.


Right.


Yeah. And the problem is like, like some people, like people who are hardcore democrats are like no you gotta listen to this because they tell the whole truth and hardcore republicans are like you got to listen to this because they tell the whole truth. Neither of them are counting you.


Mhm. You're correct.


It's impossible to get the whole truth.


Yes. That is true.


Well.


That is very cool.


Uh huh.


Right. We've got go ahead.


I yeah I was gonna say it has been about half an hour.


Yeah, we gotta make sure. Oh, how many we needed to do? 25. Right.


Yes you do.


I was so nice to look at you. I'm gonna do this again. This was fun.


Yeah it was my starting.


It's nothing. Um How do we could go off it though now?


Um I think I think we just close the tab.


Mhm. What was it out? Okay.


Okay, it was nice talking to you.


Well, you too. Have a wonderful day and good luck with your assignment.


Thank you, bye.


Bye bye.


great. Yeah. Uh huh. Oh sure that's good. Okay. Mhm. Yeah. Mhm. Okay, mm. Okay. Mhm. Okay. Uh huh.


Hello.


Hello, Jimmy.


I'm Jason. Can you see?


Yeah, yep.


Oh good, good. Sorry if a train comes by we kind of live near the track so I don't know, interrupter.


No that's that's fine.


I'm sorry.


No, no worries.


So uh what what's your name?


Okay, my name is Jimmy.


Oh good to meet you jimmy.


Yeah, you do, yeah, thank you.


That's a nice room. Do you live in a Yeah, that's nice. Wish our place was that nice.


Mhm.


It's kind of a met.


Oh, it's a mess underneath it. We got kids uh below that, there's toys everywhere.


Yeah.


Yeah. That's why. Yeah. That's what my sister tells me. She's got kids, they have toys all over. She kind of spoils her kids. So the floor is all covered with toys and she feels like all self conscious about it.


Yeah, that, yeah, I don't feel too bad, I mean it's somewhat embarrassing, but at the same time there's kids, I mean it's what they do, so yeah, yeah, so like I tell my wife all the time at least it's just toys.


She lives in it and that's what she tells me. She lives in a different area and I haven't been up there in a while so I wouldn't know. Yeah. There there precious gift and all you know. Yeah. No, nothing to feel ashamed about their the hot.


I mean it's not like we've got like moldy pizza in the corner, you know?


Yeah. It could be worse. Could be like someone's dorm room or something with the pizza on the floor.


Right.


Like your son.


Yeah, yeah, So where about you live?


Yeah, it gets worse. Beer bottles. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Oh, Bakersfield California.


Oh wow!


Yeah. Uh So are are you are you actually in like Green Bay or some part of Wisconsin?


Mhm. Yeah, I live in Wisconsin, but I live right by the Minnesota Wisconsin border, so like the twin cities are like 20 miles from here.


You just have what? Oh wow.


Yeah, so green paste, like five hours I think, 4.5 hours from here.


That. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it was uh there's something else what happened in Minnesota.


Yeah, Yeah, I have my own opinion.


I mean, I don't know, I'm sure people have strong feelings about it either way. But you know, um it sounds like you're you're pretty close to uh where all that happened.


Most of the people around here don't share the same, most of the people around here.


No.


We live in a rural area. So I mean we live close to the twin cities but most of the people can kind of consider that its own different world and it kind of is I mean we, the town I live in I think it's like 9000 people. I mean it's again it's close to the city's but this is a small town compared to it. So I think most of the people around here have strong feelings in one direction.


Yeah, I see. Yeah, I would say this is uh this you know, is a much larger city than what you're describing, but it's like one of the most conservative parts of California.


Right?


So I would say there's been a lot of people that are feel like, you know, any suggestion of an attack on the police are negative feelings towards the police. I think they feel they feel bad about. But I I tend to sympathize with, I try to sympathize with everyone, I would say. I don't know. I guess I'm a little bit more liberal, but I don't know.


Yeah. I feel the same way. I mean I police shouldn't begin attacked on account of it.


Right.


Uh but at the same time like I feel bad when reading some of the stories from some of the, you know, some black folks and some of the stuff they've had to deal with. So I all cops are bad.


Mhm.


All black people are bad. I don't understand why some people feel they have to just be so adamant on one side or the other. I mean it was an unfortunate situation and it was a horrible situation.


What? Yeah.


But I mean that doesn't mean because a couple of cops made some bad decisions that all the all cops are bad.


Yeah. No, I think individual psychology has more to do with people, no matter what their profession is or there, you know, their class or the race, I would say there's just a lot that has to do with the individual characteristics of that person. Maybe, you know, part of who they are as a part of society is kind of that has something to do with it, but also various other factors. I just I just think individually, people tend to, some people tend to be more violent, Some people tend to be less violent, that kind of thing.


Okay.


I don't know. I'm no great spokesman as as you can tell them not that articulate, but I try to make sense of it like no, it's not true.


Mm hmm. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. I wish more people did. I mean, I don't have the background like you said, I, I just try to be understanding of all parties what anything. I mean there's so much stuff going on and I try to understand why it's, you know, why do you feel that this way or that way? But it's, you sound a lot more articulate than makes up. Uh, huh. Oh yeah.


You you put your you've just put your sentences together much better than I did remember. I'm trying to take this one college class and the and the professor basically said, I forget the joke that he told that. He basically said that you know, I can't I was going to give a I was going to give a bad answer, but that was a pretty bad question or something.


Oh, okay.


Like just we all had a good laugh at that. But I'm nervous and I didn't I mean, I I try I tried economics and stuff and didn't really work out.


So did you complete college? What you go through college for? Just take some courses?


I am haven't haven't been employed in a while, but I guess it's nothing nothing not that much different than a lot of people these days.


Right?


All right. so how is pop Out? Is the covid thing where you are.


It's not too bad yet and I fear it will get worse. I'm not at risk. I mean I'm a little bit overweight but I don't have any like underlying health issues.


Yes mm.


So I'm not and my family's same thing, you know, my family's except they aren't overweight but they don't have any, you know, they don't have asthma, they don't have any conditions. So I'm not really concerned for them. But I work with a lot of elderly people, I don't work at like a nurse, I work in a factory, so there's just a lot of people that have been there for a while that and since it hasn't hit here too hard, since we're rural, a lot of people kind of, they politicized it I guess. Think that oh yeah, this is just, it's an election year, It is what it is. So a lot of people around here think that like it's just being way overblown and I do think the media is overblown it a little bit, but at the same time like there's people dying and you can't really deny that. So it hasn't been too bad here yet. It's we're turning into a small little hotspot in rural Wisconsin, but it hasn't gotten too bad yet, right?


I was reading a story that said that if you actually compare you know you apples for apples statistics that it is maybe end up being worse than the 1918 pandemic was at least in terms of this country it was like 675,000 dead 1918 pandemic. Now we've had like 170,000 in the country as a total now it was kind of interesting. Um I don't know they're saying cities just tend to be much cleaner now anyway so if you really compare it maybe in some ways worse. So it was a pretty big it's a pretty you know it's nothing to laugh at I guess but people just have to take precautions and try not to let it affect their lives. I think it's not right.


Yeah, and that's what I've tried to do. I mean, it does in a sense that kids can't go to school. Uh we can't, the kids haven't been in a store in a while, me and my wife will kind of take turns, you know, I'm gonna run to the grocery store, I'll get this stuff, I don't see any sense of bringing the kids with. I mean, trying to get our kids are two and seven they aren't going to wear a mask and I mean they're not gonna sneeze in their arm. So we've tried to take precautions so it's affected a little bit but at the same time like I I would rather be safe than sorry I don't want to find out. You know I would rather win this thing is all over and done with. Hopefully sooner than later. I would rather look back and think like well I did what I could not make it worse. I mean if it is blown out of proportion than fine but I just personally feel like I'll take extra steps just just in case it really is and I I think it really is but I don't have a background in virology or any of that crazy nonsense.


Yeah. Right.


I barely got my G. D. So I don't you know I can I've read some stories and stuff online too and kind of form my opinion but I don't I can't say definitively one way or another. I don't understand a lot of you know the what the covid really is.


Okay.


So I just I don't see why it's such an issue.


Yeah.


Just be safe once we get through this and you know then we can get back to how things were in a sense. But a lot of people around here don't share them views with me. They are not happy as a matter of fact Wisconsin mandated a mass when you're out in public now.


And a lot of the sheriff's uh from nearby towns have said we aren't even going to enforce that.


Mm Because they don't have the manpower to enforce that here either.


It's like well.


But anywhere you're out in public or you know, there's, I guess where there are people, anywhere you're out in public a store, wherever, well stores kind of private. Um, even if you're on the sidewalk or whatever, you're supposed to wear a mask, but they just don't have the manpower to enforce it.


Mhm.


So you're, you know, we're all supposed to be supposed to be taking as many precautions as possible.


But I don't, I'm not even sure if they're enforcing it up in the Bay area down in L. A. But certainly here in Bakersfield, no one's going to like, I don't think the public would react well if the police started, you know, really just cracking down on people for what they thought were violations just because of, you know, this community being a little bit more, you know, conservative and the way it is.


But yeah, I guess we're we've had like 26,000 people infected so far. So I'm like a couple of 100 deaths. So it's really beginning to hit us here too.


Yeah and it's a bummer. The local police have said that I just basically they're not gonna start like you were saying, they're not gonna start going out and doling out fines, but what they are going to do is they got a bunch of mass. So that way, you know what they see people, they'll just hand out a mask and you know, you've got to put a mask on because it's a mandate and, and I get it, like you said, they don't, I would say that less than 50% of the people here wear masks so that they can't, there's not, it's a smaller town, there's not a lot of crime, but the cops can't be going out to every store in every business and start issuing tickets and giving out mass.


Yeah. Mhm. Mhm.


But I feel good that at least my city is saying, hey, you know, we're going to take this seriously.


Uh huh.


You know, if we see it without a mask, we're gonna give you a mask and, and that's fine. I don't think people should be getting fine.


And that's what we should be doing is, you know, somebody doesn't have a mask, You give them a mass, somebody is in a store, you ask them, you know, take a mass, not not, you know, like what you see on social media where there because I think, I think in a lot of cases people feel like people who maybe forget to put their mask on the store before going in, they feel like they're being threatened or whatever. I just I I think the police in your area like you're talking about, that's the right attitude is you give someone a mask, you tell them would you please put this on? You know, to my mind, I do.


Yeah. Yeah. And I've, I've done that. I went in the gas station a couple of weeks ago to grab some beer, grab some beer quick. I figured being and out I went in and saw somebody with a mask and realized, oh, shoot. So they were helping another customer the workers. So I just ran out and grabbed a mass. I mean people forget it. I, and I, I, I would have been pretty upset if I would have got fine for that.


I have to go. Yeah. Mm. Yeah. I went to an Ace hardware. I had to, uh, I had to get some, uh, wood screws I guess for mike. Yeah. I went without a mask. I had in my pocket forgot and they just said, would you please put on a mask? So I did. But you know, like in the local convenience store around the corner, which is just like 10 ft away from the Ace, the store owners don't even wear masks. So, you know, instead depends on how people are actually going to carry it out in their own lives I guess. I mean, I know we should all be trying to do as best we can, but you know, sometimes you forget.


Right? It's a different time. It's, I'm used to put my shoes on when I get up and go somewhere. I'm not used to having to grab a mass or I mean I'll have to yesterday I went to the grocery store yesterday the day before and I had to run back in. I was just about to leave and realize that you don't have a mask with me. So I mean it's it's hard to get adjusted to, it's different. So what do you do for hobbies down there?


Yeah. Oh gosh.


Well there's not a lot to do without us being able to really go a lot.


And and Uh huh.


I mean, you know the buses are still running, you got to wear a mask to go on a bus, but it's so hot. Damn it. There's another train. I'm sorry. I'll try to try to go somewhere where you can still hear me. I apologize.


No, that's fine.


I'll see if it's less noisy out here, although, you know, there's a glare from the sun.


But uh yeah, myself, I just do a lot of reading uh, do a lot of netflix, watching, you know, whatever I can to try to avoid too much public, Too much being in the public. The movie theaters are still closed. Um, a lot of stores are still closed. You know, that's a apparel stores. I'm sure they're closed in Wisconsin. Sorry about this.


Yeah, no, it's fine.


I do apologize. Yeah.


No worries.


I never quite get used to living by the railroad tracks and uh, yeah, well it was my friend who invited me to come live here with him a few years ago.


Yeah. How long have you lived by the railroad?


And uh, you know, it's, it's uh, it's sad, but his girlfriend actually died out on this on these tracks. His brother still lives with us. I mean her brother, Joey's girlfriend's brother lives with us, but she died, we think she got like high or something and or maybe just really depressed because she had to have a feeding tube, uh, affected some kind of, some medications that she was wearing and apparently she died out here on the track somewhere, got run over or what have you. And it was, you know, not good. He was really upset. They were both really upset. A couple of months later. I went to live with them try to cheer Joey up but you know I don't know how great I am at that but you know they're both nice people and I needed a place to stay and um but yeah that's that's kind of how I ended up here was you know christian got uh got run over there.


I'm very sorry to hear that.


So yeah well that's all right you know it's pretty tragic.


That's tragic.


Um uh you know if it's difficult for me one that just hearing the noise when it goes by you can imagine how difficult it must be for Joey thinking about that because he's he's actually has asperger's so he's really intelligent and he remembers like almost everything like he has all these memories from years ago that I'm like I just say have no idea. I don't remember that stuff Joey because we've known each other for like 20 years and so he does not forget this stuff.


Uh huh.


So it's really tough on him.


Well it's good on you for showing up and the okay um Oh you can finish what you're saying.


Tell you the truth. I yeah, what's that? Oh, I was just going to say, well to tell you the truth, I I kind of have my own mental problems too. I mean not exactly like Joey's, but no, so I know what he goes through, but just listening to him, he just does not forget stuff. And so I know that that memory of being absent that day and coming home and finding out that she was gone really affects him.


Yeah, I couldn't even imagine, but that's good on you for being there for him. I mean I know you know, I I haven't went through anything like that, but everybody deals with a little bit of you know, kind of tragedies throughout life and I know just having somebody there, I mean whether you're perky upbeat patting them on the back, you know, high fiving, whatever, just having a friend there, knowing you have somebody there is to me it's makes a huge difference.


Yeah, I hope so.


So are you from California originally then?


I hope I've been a good friend. I try to be, it's a great place and they're great people. I lived somewhere with horrible roommates before, so it's nice to be here. I've been here for about three years now actually. I was born here in Bakersfield.


Right.


My uh my parents, my and my sisters as well were born in new york there from new york when my father became a doctor, he started getting in trouble and leaving. And uh so they left new york. The family went back, went down to florida, went to Louisiana, all these different places where he was trying to practice but I guess I couldn't find a job that was willing to keep them. And they finally ended up here in Bakersfield and we just ended up staying even after they split because he got in some trouble and so they got divorced and he left. But my mother's stage, she's actually has Alzheimer's disease and she's in a nursing home here in town. So I don't want to really leave Bakersfield even if I if I do some time until you know after her passing because I don't want her to be the only person, I don't want her to be left alone in this city, even though I can't really visit her right now and director care because of the whole covid situation.


Yeah, that's, that's an interesting story. What kind of, what kind of doctor was your dad like a regular family doctor?


You know, I think he I think he was either either a family physician or some kind of oncologist, but I don't actually know that was so many years ago now though, I mean I feel so old, you know, I'm like close to 40 man.


Mhm Yeah, yeah, I'm getting up there, I'm 34 so time just goes by.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah, I know, I know. Uh so you work at like a food processing facility perhaps?


No, I work at uh work at a foam factory and a lot of what we make is like interior components for like tractors and caterpillar. Uh, so like, if you look at a headliner in a car, we'd make a lot of them, just not for cars, we make a lot of them for, again, like john Deere's and caterpillar and Sienna to make a lot of the headliners and, and if you look inside, it's not necessarily foam in the sense of how you would picture foam, just like in your car, you know, a car.


No interesting what? Yeah, mm. Mhm.


The headliner isn't really foam, it's more kind of fabric.


This is mhm.


But then we make a lot of the, if you look at the softer components on the inside of tractors and stuff, a lot of that stuff is what we make, It's interesting.


Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah, I wonder why they they locate the factory out there too, because it's closer to farmland or because is there any given reason why um you know, a tractor component factory would be out there in Wisconsin in that area, we're just kind of Mhm, Mhm, mm.


I'm not, I'm not really sure they started and somewhere in the cities, I think like 25 35 years ago. And then they bought this location that I work at now, but a lot, not a lot, but we do do some like international stuff too. So we do ship john Deere parts to like europe, I believe. Uh, and then there's some other customers, but there's like john Deere for instance, there's multiple facilities here in the U. S. So I think there's one or two in Iowa, I want to say there's one in Illinois. Uh but I think a lot of our bigger customers are kind of midwest based bobcat is another big one.


Yeah, it sounds like a very secure job.


We do and I think they're based in like South Dakota or one of the Dakotas. So they're not, I mean they're not close but it's not too far away. So I think a lot of the main plants are kind of located in the midwest. So that might be why they did it, but I'm not 100% sure.


There will always be a need for tractor parts for farms.


Yeah, I've been there for a while.


Mhm. Do you do you do any work for like Mahindra? I mean, that's what I've, I haven't heard that name until like, there was a tractor advertisement or something from Mahindra usa here in town, do you do you do any work for?


I don't think so. Doesn't sound familiar. I work in the quality department and I inspect a lot of the new parts that come through and I haven't heard that name before.


Mhm, Mhm.


So I don't think we do any anything for them.


I think there's some kind of indian company, I don't know. Um but that, that sounds like a really secure job, like I was saying, I mean, you, you know, john Deere is supposed to be like a pretty conservative company, right, So that's a pretty safe job, yeah, Mhm, Mhm, Uh huh.


Yeah, we get a lot of money from january. It's been up and down this year just like everywhere else. I mean with everything going on, businesses have been you know up and down so we've had to take some I haven't got cut but we've lost some of the staff they've cut, somewhere. Hours have been cut. I'm supposed to be at work right now actually but I gotta I had to take the time off because business is kind of slow right now but that's like I said that's pretty much everywhere right now.


What? Right, Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that. Um I'm glad that I'm glad you didn't get cut and so uh so, wow, but that is, I mean, I always think of Bakersfield is being a small town but it's like you know we've got like 354 100,000 people now, what you're describing of 9000 people that that's like one of the outskirts here in kern County, you know?


All right.


But this is big farmland to there's all the pistachios that get grown here, there's grim way carrots, the the carrot farmers that send them, you know carrots all over the country and then there was that the onion recall right, the red onions, I think those came from Bakersfield, yeah.


Yeah. Yeah. Girls. Oh the town I grew up in was actually 1100 people.


Mhm.


So this is a big city compared to where I grew up.


Mhm. Mhm. Yeah All right, we got I think we got like one or two more minutes but it's been good, it's been really good to talk to you. I I appreciate I appreciate you putting up with me because I am so inarticulate, kinda scatterbrained, you know, it was it was good to hear from someone from the, from the midwest, you know, the backbone of kind of the backbone of our country, you know?


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I like it here. I like the rural area. I lived in san Antonio for a little bit and I mean teach their own. I know some people love that hustle and bustle of the big city life, but I I love this small town life. I don't have as much, you know nearby, but it's I like it here and it was nice chatting with you too.


Mhm, mm, mm hmm.


Is this your first time doing this?


No, it's actually my fourth. So you can imagine what the first three went through.


Uh huh.


Which one is this for you?


This is number three. And you're all right. I think you're a little hard on yourself.


Yeah.


You're fine. I mean, yeah, I tip my hat to you for that.


Yeah, Well, I like to like to be humble. I'd rather be humble than arrogant. So hopefully, hopefully I'm more harder.


All right. It's nice chatting with you.


Um All right.


I'm gonna get going.


It was good to talk to you too. Thanks a lot.


Yeah. Thank you.


Take care of All right.


All right. Bye.


Yeah. Yeah. Oh okay. Yeah.


Hello? All right good, how are you?


Hey how's it going? I'm pretty solid. Yeah it's been I'm up in Portland Oregon right now and it was this morning and now it's significantly left honey so it's been like okay mm.


Mhm. Okay. This time of year in uh in Oregon is it usually is usually pretty ratings.


Yeah this is like the zone in which the day is either beautiful and gorgeous and like 65 out or just miserable and muddy and wet and like 50 out.


It's sort of like Washington. Yeah.


So it's room it's like in that transition zone.


Yeah.


Got it.


Well what about you? What's the weather like where you're at?


I'm in Baltimore and it's uh it's rainy um Today but around this time of the year it's usually pretty good weather.


Ooh.


It's usually like 65 sunny most of the time, most of the time in the winter.


Mhm. How cold does it get down there?


You know it doesn't it doesn't get that much snow. Um But to be honest with you I've only been here since february so I haven't had a full went winter but when I came here in february it was it's not several times in february but then it got pretty warm after that so.


Mhm. I'll break it mm. Because I'm looking at I'm applying to law schools right now and I'm looking down and not not in Maryland specifically but in D.


Yeah mm hmm.


C. And Virginia. And I've spent like no time in those regions are I've been there during the summer which is a completely different story.


Mhm. Mhm.


Um I'm assuming the weather is like fairly similar. It's good to know what part of you it's yeah parts of it are but I'm looking at you via in Charlottesville which is like small enough that it's not so bad.


Yeah. Well Virginia is pretty expensive. Uh Oh yeah Charlottesville.


Yeah I'm I'm a little more worried about like D.


C. Or the cost of living in like the big cities because I've never Portland's biggest city I've lived in and we got a really good deal here. So I'm definitely like not looking words about potential.


You know. Oh yeah yeah the uh the D.


Yeah. Uh.


C. Area we call the D. M. V. Area. Um For D.


Uh huh mm mm.


C. It's like it's like that area that's around D. C. Virginia. Um And that area, my sister lives there and she lives in Arlington and she pays I want to say uh yeah I think like $2400 a month for a one bedroom apartment in Arlington.


Oh that's so much.


And it's not, I mean it's pretty nice place, I mean it's like secure, I mean it's pretty nice so I would say I wouldn't call it a luxury apartment but I would call it like a middle class apartment, you know?


Okay. Yeah I also I'm I was talking because I am right now my I pay like $750 a month for rent in in a city which is ridiculous.


Um. Mhm.


So my standards have been like you know I'm paid very little bit, my one of my friends is down in the bay area right now in Berkeley for at Berkeley for school and his one bedroom is 3000 month, which I cannot, I can literally like, can't imagine what that's like.


No. Yeah wow. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah my brother he's uh he's he lives in the bay Area but he has to have two room. It's you know and uh which is but he doesn't like roommates but he has to, you know just put the rent otherwise you just can't do it.


Mhm, mm hmm, Yeah.


You can have just live in your car.


Mhm no, exactly, mm no, I've heard of that too.


I've heard of people in that area renting out like office space and living in their office space in the bay area. Yeah.


One of my, one of my friends was talking kind of seriously about trying to get like a storage space, you know, like a storage unit and living in there and I was like, that's where I draw the line, like I can't miserable.


Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that would be very good. Uh Air filtration in that area?


Yeah, I don't think it would be very good at anything.


Mm hmm. Yeah. So what type of lawyer do you want to be that that's not mhm extends.


Great question. Um really, I mean the pipe dream would be international human rights, but they're like zero jobs for that. So it really, it depends on, I think what I end up liking in law school because I'm trying, trying to keep my options open since I know the dream job is so dream, you know.


Mhm True job. So yeah, yeah, I was actually just talking to a lawyer yesterday.


Mhm, mhm Oh okay, great, Right.


Um but I already forget the conversation. I did one of these yesterday and the guy was a lawyer and I forget what type of, it was hard, it was hard to keep track in the conversation because he was he was super wasted actually. Like he was he was like, he was like drunk, he was dropping stuff everywhere on this conversation and I was like, I was like what is going on over there? But um but yeah, he uh here's some lawyer, I forget.


Mhm There was a, there was a wasted lawyer involved.


Uh so it's not a very good story, it's scripted. Yeah, I think he did you know what he did? He did uh like uh ip law with like and like with like counterfeiting, I think I'm still, yeah, because we talked about a case, I saw something in the news the other day about how um what would you guess is Italy's main export?


Sparrow. Mm How interesting. That's I mean that's cool, like way beyond me, but like I've legitimately no idea.


Yeah Right, Uh huh Well it's like luxury goods and uh wine, you know, and there's a story in the news like yesterday where they busted this counterfeit wine, the operation um super sophisticated, who knew that people are just counterfeiting wine.


I know they do a lot of industrial stuff down the south, but that's like as far as I know. Mhm. Yeah. Uh huh. That's no exactly that I just think you're going to say like pan bags or something.


Yes.


But I mean, I feel as someone who is not a wine expert, you could want, you could fool me so easily like if you, I'm not going to be, I can tell the difference between like a $5 bottle of wine and like a $20 you know, But anything beyond that is like you could, you could so easily flow me.


Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. So Oh yeah, I'm Mhm. Yeah. Yeah, so Mhm.


So I guess that it checks out.


But Oh yeah, oh I want to, I want to be able to tell, I mean especially after the first drink be like okay whatever.


Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah.


Uh Yeah um Uh huh what did they say?


Yeah. That's really funny. I'm gonna be thinking about that now. That's funny.


Yeah they said um oh they said the operation had been going on, Oh the wine that they were counterfeiting was the world, it was raided last year is like the world's number one wine.


Mhm.


So it's extremely expensive and it was on the east coast of Italy and they were putting some wine from the west coast of India of Italy um into these bottles and they said the bottles matched the perfect weight down to the weight of like a piece of tissue.


Mm. Mhm. Yeah.


That's how perfect. It wasn't the only way they only way they got caught was there were one of the they have been doing this for like 10 years and the only way they got caught is one of their truck delivery people was driving and accidentally dropped a case on the side of the road and I guess didn't notice and then some people came and they you know they they caught him just by just by just by a one small act of stupidity.


Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. That's crazy.


So who?


Huh? The more, you know, it's interesting to me.


Mhm. What well what about criminal law? It's yeah you are are, yep it.


I just, I feel like I need to know more about it because part of it, part of what stresses me out is the idea of like of course if I was always on the morally right side of the case, it would be no problem.


Uh huh. Mhm.


Like I think that was cool. But realistically sometimes you're gonna have to be defending someone who you just know is guilty and like I don't know how well I can handle that if it's something, if it's minor stuff like if this is like divorce court and it's like, you know, that's a much lower.


Yeah. No. Right. Yeah.


I mean emotionally not great, but like lower stakes thing.


No. Yeah.


But if it's like we're dealing with someone that you are like 99% sure killed someone and you're trying to convince people that he didn't like I feel like that would get to me.


Yeah. But. Right okay. Right okay.


It was, you know, you know what I mean?


Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah now that I think about that especially if it was something like brutal, you know like a rapist or something and you know.


Yeah.


Uh wow.


Or like imagine being like the ones like OJ's lawyer, you know like I don't wanna I don't wanna do that.


Oh yeah. So.


Like I mean you're going to get famous but like Yeah.


Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah that would be difficult. Yeah you're right, it really does depend on the um the circumstance.


Mhm.


Uh you can also I mean I don't know how does being a judge work, do you do you have to be a criminal lawyer first? You know?


I actually, I'm not sure about the exact process.


I'm.


I don't I I know it basically takes like forever and you have to be hyper qualified so that I should probably figure that out The reality.


Yeah and okay. Yeah If. Uh huh.


The reality of law school. That's kind of weird is that it's actually completely acceptable to go in and say like I have no idea what I want to do.


Yeah. Yeah.


Which feels weird to me because it's such a like, you know, you're paying so much money to spend three years studying this but it's really common to have no idea what you want to do going in or like how stuff works.


Um I hope I figure stuff out.


Mhm mm.


Yeah. You might change your mind to and uh I went to, so I went to medical school not far from Charlottesville in Lynchburg Virginia.


And I did uh but I only did, I dropped, I got a biomedical sciences degree and then I did a year medical school and I realized I hated it. And so now I work in technology, which is just completely different.


So but um uh but yeah, you should find out soon because those bills can rack up.


Yeah that's and that's the stresses me out is like I know I mean if you if you did your medical school you know the drill right of like it really builds up and I have so far I have like a good offer from a slightly lowering school and for me it's like do I, the stressful part is I know if you go to a really great great ranks school, it's like okay you're going to have more job offers, you're gonna be able to earn more money but I also do not want to go a quarter of a million dollars in debt to get access to that you know?


Mhm. Mhm. Right.


And it's like if I could get a full ride at a lower rank school like with this with the lack of stress of not being in like soul crushingly deep debt be work that yes, that's definitely something I'm hoping.


Yeah.


I'm really hoping to get money from a good school because that would make my life 100 times easier, but who knows?


Right.


Or you or you could just gamble and then uh go into debt and then hope some super progressive liberal candidate wipes out all all your expenses.


Yeah. Really? I mean I've got a dream.


That's another option.


Right?


Yeah. So what do you do, what do you do now you said you're in technology?